Derwood: Doogled: Derwood: If you guys think PSU is "cult-like", well just imagine if this had happened at, oh, Alabama or LSU.

Any actual reasoning behind this or are you just throwing this out there to deflect?

Alabama and LSU fans haven't been believing that their program is all about honor and integrity for the past 45 years, which is probably why a small but (way too) vocal pocket of the Penn State fans have been performing mental gymnastics to process what has happened over the past year.

No, but they worship football at a much higher level than Penn State fans do. The level of denial and rationalization would be epic

I think exhibit A: The current behavior of Penn State fans/students/alumni is strong evidence to the contrary.

Derwood: Killer Cars: Derwood: Jim Tressell marketed himself as a guy with high moral character as well, and the tOSU fans all bought in.

He took over for an unpopular coach (largely because he didn't win enough) and won the national championship in his second full season. He could have been selling an image of "I kick puppies and punch babies" and Columbus would at least for the short term more than put up with it with those immediate returns.

Tenure does have a lot to do with it, and that's probably the crux of the issue; probably, what, three generations of PSU alumnus watching one guy on the sidelines all those years, with their respective elders telling him about how great he is all the time. That's a different environment.

All I'm saying is that the tattoo scandal, while on an immeasurably smaller scale, had just as much rationalization about "our good and moral coach would NEVER be involved blah blah garble garble".

I am going to disagree with you, only about the degree. A couple dozen people went to his house to say goodbye, sure. And there were certainly people who were sad Tressel left. I know it's subjective, but the PSU rage is FAR WORSE AND HAS LASTED FAR LONGER AND IS ABOUT CHILD RAPE INSTEAD OF FREE TATTOOS.

doubled99: doubled99: gimmegimme

doubled99: Iwas as disgusted and angry as anyone at the crimes. I want jail for all the people who covered up.
The only goddamn thing I disagree with is the elimination of the football program entirely,
,mostly because of the many people and businesses hurt who I feel had no part in it.
I see the disagreement with this, but exactly how is it some insane opinion that immediately paints me as your idelalogical enemy and champion of pedophiles?

Then why are you pissed? The football program was not eliminated. You got what you wanted.



Why am I pissed?!? Are you serious?
Because these dumb farks keep..I mean...


...cause everyone was all...like...yelling at me and stuff...and...so I was just...


/runs away

I'll give you a hint: people were yelling at you because you don't know how to quote posts on Fark properly or how to use the shift key.



Valid points. You, on the other hand, are impressively consistent at changing the subject as you go along.

The important thing is you admitted you were wrong earlier. I appreciate it. It shows character.
Cheers!

Let me communicate in a language you will understand:

YES. GOOD.



NO. BAD. HAPPY SANDUSKY RHYTHMIC SLAPPING SOUNDS FARKED BOYS PENN STATE. PENN STATE PEOPLE NO UNDERSTAND FARK BOYS IN SHOWER. BAD. LIKE FIRE.

So of it was a science teacher raping little kids would they have shut down the science program and stripped it of all funding? I mean it's employees of the school, they should be put in jail and dug up and burned for what they did but seriously, I think what the NCAA did is ridiculous and the whole town and university will suffer for decades.

Wingnutwillie: So of it was a science teacher raping little kids would they have shut down the science program and stripped it of all funding? I mean it's employees of the school, they should be put in jail and dug up and burned for what they did but seriously, I think what the NCAA did is ridiculous and the whole town and university will suffer for decades.

Well, maybe the town and the university should try a little harder to not shelter kiddied diddlers and try too keep some perspective that football is a game, a form of entertainment, and not the cornerstone of an empire.

Nabb1: Wingnutwillie: So of it was a science teacher raping little kids would they have shut down the science program and stripped it of all funding? I mean it's employees of the school, they should be put in jail and dug up and burned for what they did but seriously, I think what the NCAA did is ridiculous and the whole town and university will suffer for decades.

Well, maybe the town and the university should try a little harder to not shelter kiddied diddlers and try too keep some perspective that football is a game, a form of entertainment, and not the cornerstone of an empire.

And yet everyday parents send their kids to church and catholic schools

Wingnutwillie: So of it was a science teacher raping little kids would they have shut down the science program and stripped it of all funding? I mean it's employees of the school, they should be put in jail and dug up and burned for what they did but seriously, I think what the NCAA did is ridiculous and the whole town and university will suffer for decades.

Did they shut down the football program and strip it of all of it's funding? No they did not.

Do you say the same thing when a school's football program is punished for recruiting violations or players receiving improper benefits?

gimmegimme: doubled99: gimmegimme

*sigh
So sorry for the flippant sentence in earlier post regarding dead Pa.
Paterno knew and was guilty too. fark him. Happy?

That said, I don't believe in any punishment for anyone not directly complicit in these crimes.

Soooo...Sandusky's grandchildren shouldn't be punished by having their grandpa taken away. OJ's children shouldn't be punished by having their daddy in jail. The Germans shouldn't suffer economic sanctions because of the actions of the Nazis...

Sandusky isn't a grandfather, he is a rapist. By taking away the rapist, society is actually helping the "grandchildren" (even though it might seem to hurt them at first).

Think of it like a vaccination. Although vaccinations hurt, they are necessary to keep children safe from preventable diseases like measles.

ongbok: Wingnutwillie: So of it was a science teacher raping little kids would they have shut down the science program and stripped it of all funding? I mean it's employees of the school, they should be put in jail and dug up and burned for what they did but seriously, I think what the NCAA did is ridiculous and the whole town and university will suffer for decades.

Did they shut down the football program and strip it of all of it's funding? No they did not.

Do you say the same thing when a school's football program is punished for recruiting violations or players receiving improper benefits?

Ok so if a science teacher was the pedo someone should step in and take away half the scholarships for science students? How does that make any sense? I mean it's a horrible thing that happened and I think everyone involved should be punished, but I don't think it's the NCAA that should police this matter. I think they should stick o punishing recruiting violations and improper benefits, honestly this is outside their realm. Who elected these guys to pass judgement on legal matters that have nothing to do with sports, and this has nothing to do with sports, it just so happens the people involved were also involved with the sports program.

Wingnutwillie: ongbok: Wingnutwillie: So of it was a science teacher raping little kids would they have shut down the science program and stripped it of all funding? I mean it's employees of the school, they should be put in jail and dug up and burned for what they did but seriously, I think what the NCAA did is ridiculous and the whole town and university will suffer for decades.

Did they shut down the football program and strip it of all of it's funding? No they did not.

Do you say the same thing when a school's football program is punished for recruiting violations or players receiving improper benefits?

Ok so if a science teacher was the pedo someone should step in and take away half the scholarships for science students? How does that make any sense? I mean it's a horrible thing that happened and I think everyone involved should be punished, but I don't think it's the NCAA that should police this matter. I think they should stick o punishing recruiting violations and improper benefits, honestly this is outside their realm. Who elected these guys to pass judgement on legal matters that have nothing to do with sports, and this has nothing to do with sports, it just so happens the people involved were also involved with the sports program.

First off the school is an academic institution not an athletic institution. So academics are necessary and come first. Having a football team is a privileged and not a right. Some of you Penn State defenders seem to be forgetting this. Plus there isn't some collegiate governing body over academic programs who laid down rules for academic programs to follow and who also dictates the punishment for breaking those rules. However for football there is, and Penn State broke the rules.

Secondly the NCAA is doing there job and acting well within its boundaries. Penn State violated NCAA rules by covering up criminal activities perpetrated by a member of one of its athletics teams. That is against the NCAA rules. They are not passing judgement on legal matters, they are passing judgement on the rules that were broken. You can't go around and pick and choose which rules the NCAA is allowed to enforce.

I going to hate to see what all of you Penn State apologist have to say when the civil suits for the victims start coming in. Now that is going to be ugly.

Derwood: The Anti-PSU people are 100x crazier than the PSU students

So far no anti PSU riots soooo... no.

Wingnutwillie: So of it was a science teacher raping little kids would they have shut down the science program and stripped it of all funding? I mean it's employees of the school, they should be put in jail and dug up and burned for what they did but seriously, I think what the NCAA did is ridiculous and the whole town and university will suffer for decades.

PSU has two of those too. One still publishing from prison under the PSU banner. Sooooo....

oldweevil: The NCAA abused its authority in a huge way.

Sorry if you disagree, but if you do, you're a goddamn idiot who doesn't understand the first farking thing about college athletics and the NCAA. (And to pre-empt your question, yes, I do. I spent ten years working as an NCAA compliance officer before I decided to go make better money and stop dealing with prima donna football coaches and college presidents. I know what I'm talking about and you don't. STFU.)

Nobody in the angry mob wants to admit they're in the angry mob. They just want to burn the witch.

The NCAA involving itself in this matter is a grandstanding move that will serve to diminish what happened here by making it about football instead of abuse.

So is covering up criminal activity committed by a member of a sports team not a violation of NCAA rules?

Derwood: But let's cut the hyperbolic "ZOMG EVERYONE IN PENNSYLVANIA LOVES DIDDLING KIDS!!!11ELEVENTY!!!!!"

The truth is bad enough: A whole lot of PSU fans (at least 70,000) are continuing to deny it happened, and continuing to deny that university officials a) knew about it, b) didn't stop it, and c) covered it up afterward. All of which are fact.

kingoomieiii: sweetmelissa31: Get over yourselves. Winning a medal doesn't change what happened.

Rookie mistake. I think you'll find that winning a medal will un-rape all those kids and retroactively stop the cover-up.

/Penn state should have been excluded from all football events for 20 years
/Fark alums, fark current students, fark PA

But the hot dogs, or jurisdiction, or the innocents, or something!

rka: oldweevil: Nobody in the angry mob wants to admit they're in the angry mob. They just want to burn the witch.

So the NCAA should have done nothing? That's your stance?

It sounds like that is his point. Basically, leave the precious football program out of this, because technically, the NCAA shouldn't touch this, and has never punished a school for protecting, and further enabling a child rapist before this.

Also, JoePa is a mythical witch to be burned, not a staunch protector of a child rapist. Perhaps oldweevil thinks that it isn't rape if the kids begged for Sandusky's dick in their ass, therefore, JoePa did nothing wrong, and is just being persecuted, like those ancient witches.

I'm just shooting spitballs here, not trying to put words into anybody's mouth, but that's what it sounds like he's saying, to me at least.