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2012-07-31 09:37:45 PM
Derwood: Doogled: Derwood: If you guys think PSU is "cult-like", well just imagine if this had happened at, oh, Alabama or LSU.

Any actual reasoning behind this or are you just throwing this out there to deflect?

Alabama and LSU fans haven't been believing that their program is all about honor and integrity for the past 45 years, which is probably why a small but (way too) vocal pocket of the Penn State fans have been performing mental gymnastics to process what has happened over the past year.

No, but they worship football at a much higher level than Penn State fans do. The level of denial and rationalization would be epic


Keep telling yourself that, Jay.
 
2012-07-31 09:42:29 PM
RickyWilliams'sBong: Derwood: Doogled: Derwood: If you guys think PSU is "cult-like", well just imagine if this had happened at, oh, Alabama or LSU.

Any actual reasoning behind this or are you just throwing this out there to deflect?

Alabama and LSU fans haven't been believing that their program is all about honor and integrity for the past 45 years, which is probably why a small but (way too) vocal pocket of the Penn State fans have been performing mental gymnastics to process what has happened over the past year.

No, but they worship football at a much higher level than Penn State fans do. The level of denial and rationalization would be epic

Keep telling yourself that, Jay.


My family lived in State College for 20+ years. I've now lived in Columbus, OH for 5. The level of football worship here is way higher than it ever was a Penn State, and it pales in comparison to the southern schools
 
2012-07-31 09:43:58 PM
I think the main point that seemed to be missed in the thread (or at least the first third of it that I read) is that many of the diehards defending the ever loving fark out of Penn State never went to Penn State. They're the townies and yokels who lurv them some PSU football because they live so far away from a major sports market, and see PSU as the standard bearer for the entire state of Pennsylvania. I'm sure there is a sizable chunk of PSU students and alum that are still defending Joe Pedono, but a lot of the craziest defenders could never gain admission into PSU.

/the salt of the earth
//you know, morons
///love the idea of putting the statue in Centralia, PA
 
2012-07-31 09:47:44 PM
Derwood:

The Anti-PSU people are 100x crazier than the PSU students

www.csmonitor.com
www.anorak.co.uk
www.richgibson.com
www.washingtonpost.com
 
2012-07-31 09:51:02 PM
Ric Romero: "Large fan bases have some insane fans."
 
2012-07-31 10:04:23 PM
Derwood: Doogled: Derwood: If you guys think PSU is "cult-like", well just imagine if this had happened at, oh, Alabama or LSU.

Any actual reasoning behind this or are you just throwing this out there to deflect?

Alabama and LSU fans haven't been believing that their program is all about honor and integrity for the past 45 years, which is probably why a small but (way too) vocal pocket of the Penn State fans have been performing mental gymnastics to process what has happened over the past year.

No, but they worship football at a much higher level than Penn State fans do. The level of denial and rationalization would be epic


I think exhibit A: The current behavior of Penn State fans/students/alumni is strong evidence to the contrary.
 
2012-07-31 10:30:52 PM
kingoomieiii: /Penn state should have been excluded from all football events for 20 years

Honestly, even I would say 20 is too much. Six years is enough to turn over almost the entire student body, with new kids coming in having gone all the way through high school without Penn State being a big football school. That should get the job done. Maybe require a mascot and school colors change too, just to make sure that they're rebuilding from as close to zero.

But while the punishment should indeed be long enough to leave nothing but a nice flat field of rubble to rebuild on, rebuilding does need to be possible, because that time period is also part of the punishment. For a team and culture that prides itself so much on its prowess, that's going to be a very humiliating time period, and it will doubtless take years.
 
2012-07-31 10:33:09 PM
Derwood: My family lived in State College for 20+ years. I've now lived in Columbus, OH for 5. The level of football worship here is way higher than it ever was a Penn State, and it pales in comparison to the southern schools

There is a difference between worshiping a football program for its success and worshiping one for it's perceived moral and ethical excellence. Penn State hasn't been terribly relevant from a National Championship perspective in some time, and I think the PSU fanbase has accepted that (for the most part). If Les Miles or Nick Saban put together a few 6-6 years, LSU and Bama fans would probably run them out of town, because they aren't looked at as anything more than "really good football coaches", and if they don't produce good teams, that luster is now gone.

Paterno represented something different, and built himself a certain immunity from the normal criticisms precisely because he was placed on a pedestal that no other coach, even Bobby Bowden, ever came close to. I can't recall a single FSU fan ever navel-gazing over Bowden being a "great man", just a "great coach" who said "dag gummit" a lot.
 
2012-07-31 10:33:13 PM
sweetmelissa31: It's just insane to see how alums are behaving. I have about 5 acquaintances on facebook who went to Penn State. All of them have been posting about how they're being oppressed over this. Not one of them seems to care about what actually happened; the most important thing to them is their school pride. I might be a little biased because I've never watched college football and completely don't care about it. But child rape seems slightly more important.

You've been Farkied as Hot and Smart for a long time.
I'm a PSU alum.
And I approve of your message.

I've worked for a a lot of companies since I left the Alma Mater.
If any company did what they did, I have lobbied to have them shut down and all complicit parties incarcerated or executed.

Joe Paterno was nothing more than a dirty, stinking, poor excuse for a human.
He knew about it, and did nothing because he thought the gravy train would keep on rolling.

Why the others aren't in prison right now is a tribute to our CJS, and a reminder that as a nation, we have failed our youth.

Fark his effigy, and statue, and record, and accomplishments as a grand old leader in what an institution can provide society, which is a cover up of injustice, child rape, and a loyalty to money.

Fark his legacy all to hell.
 
2012-07-31 10:35:46 PM
Killer Cars: Derwood: My family lived in State College for 20+ years. I've now lived in Columbus, OH for 5. The level of football worship here is way higher than it ever was a Penn State, and it pales in comparison to the southern schools

There is a difference between worshiping a football program for its success and worshiping one for it's perceived moral and ethical excellence. Penn State hasn't been terribly relevant from a National Championship perspective in some time, and I think the PSU fanbase has accepted that (for the most part). If Les Miles or Nick Saban put together a few 6-6 years, LSU and Bama fans would probably run them out of town, because they aren't looked at as anything more than "really good football coaches", and if they don't produce good teams, that luster is now gone.

Paterno represented something different, and built himself a certain immunity from the normal criticisms precisely because he was placed on a pedestal that no other coach, even Bobby Bowden, ever came close to. I can't recall a single FSU fan ever navel-gazing over Bowden being a "great man", just a "great coach" who said "dag gummit" a lot.


Jim Tressell marketed himself as a guy with high moral character as well, and the tOSU fans all bought in. Only difference is the tenure
 
2012-07-31 10:48:45 PM
Derwood: Jim Tressell marketed himself as a guy with high moral character as well, and the tOSU fans all bought in.

He took over for an unpopular coach (largely because he didn't win enough) and won the national championship in his second full season. He could have been selling an image of "I kick puppies and punch babies" and Columbus would at least for the short term more than put up with it with those immediate returns.

Tenure does have a lot to do with it, and that's probably the crux of the issue; probably, what, three generations of PSU alumnus watching one guy on the sidelines all those years, with their respective elders telling him about how great he is all the time. That's a different environment.
 
2012-07-31 10:49:52 PM
Killer Cars: with their respective elders telling him them

In a different context, I guess "him" could work too.
 
2012-07-31 10:52:51 PM
Doogled: Krymson Tyde: RickyWilliams'sBong: kronicfeld: Pennsylvania: Pittsburgh in the west, Philadelphia in the east, Alabama in-between.

I like ripping on Alabama as much as the next guy (Roll Tards!), but if Bear Bryant himself were found to have done what Paterno did, Alabamans would've drowned him in the Gulf.

Indeed. Penn State folks have reach a previously unheard of level of cultish hero worship.

Linky


I tried to register onto the Penn St. board that Doogled linked to, but they wouldn't accept my p­edo­p­hi­l­een­abl­e­r[nospam-﹫-backwards]li­a­mg*com address, nor my password of "youngboysopenseason". I'm sensing a slight bias...
 
2012-07-31 11:01:48 PM
Yup, that culture sho' is a'changin'!
 
2012-07-31 11:02:46 PM
Dear PSU fans,
You covered up butt raping kids.
It's over.
Jerry's dead.

Dear Grateful Dead fans,
Jerry was a junkie.
It's over
Jerry's dead.

Take showers alone.
Go out and get jobs.
Build a nation based on something other than getting stoned and farking kids.
 
2012-07-31 11:03:38 PM
Killer Cars: Derwood: Jim Tressell marketed himself as a guy with high moral character as well, and the tOSU fans all bought in.

He took over for an unpopular coach (largely because he didn't win enough) and won the national championship in his second full season. He could have been selling an image of "I kick puppies and punch babies" and Columbus would at least for the short term more than put up with it with those immediate returns.

Tenure does have a lot to do with it, and that's probably the crux of the issue; probably, what, three generations of PSU alumnus watching one guy on the sidelines all those years, with their respective elders telling him about how great he is all the time. That's a different environment.


All I'm saying is that the tattoo scandal, while on an immeasurably smaller scale, had just as much rationalization about "our good and moral coach would NEVER be involved blah blah garble garble".
 
2012-07-31 11:04:25 PM
kingoomieiii: At this point the Facebook shiat is enough to actually start punishing the students and alums personally. Let's not make liars out of them.

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2012-07-31 11:21:35 PM
Derwood: Killer Cars: Derwood: Jim Tressell marketed himself as a guy with high moral character as well, and the tOSU fans all bought in.

He took over for an unpopular coach (largely because he didn't win enough) and won the national championship in his second full season. He could have been selling an image of "I kick puppies and punch babies" and Columbus would at least for the short term more than put up with it with those immediate returns.

Tenure does have a lot to do with it, and that's probably the crux of the issue; probably, what, three generations of PSU alumnus watching one guy on the sidelines all those years, with their respective elders telling him about how great he is all the time. That's a different environment.

All I'm saying is that the tattoo scandal, while on an immeasurably smaller scale, had just as much rationalization about "our good and moral coach would NEVER be involved blah blah garble garble".


I am going to disagree with you, only about the degree. A couple dozen people went to his house to say goodbye, sure. And there were certainly people who were sad Tressel left. I know it's subjective, but the PSU rage is FAR WORSE AND HAS LASTED FAR LONGER AND IS ABOUT CHILD RAPE INSTEAD OF FREE TATTOOS.
 
2012-07-31 11:25:09 PM
doubled99: doubled99: gimmegimme

doubled99: Iwas as disgusted and angry as anyone at the crimes. I want jail for all the people who covered up.
The only goddamn thing I disagree with is the elimination of the football program entirely,
,mostly because of the many people and businesses hurt who I feel had no part in it.
I see the disagreement with this, but exactly how is it some insane opinion that immediately paints me as your idelalogical enemy and champion of pedophiles?

Then why are you pissed? The football program was not eliminated. You got what you wanted.



Why am I pissed?!? Are you serious?
Because these dumb farks keep..I mean...


...cause everyone was all...like...yelling at me and stuff...and...so I was just...


/runs away

I'll give you a hint: people were yelling at you because you don't know how to quote posts on Fark properly or how to use the shift key.



Valid points. You, on the other hand, are impressively consistent at changing the subject as you go along.

The important thing is you admitted you were wrong earlier. I appreciate it. It shows character.
Cheers!


Let me communicate in a language you will understand:

YES. GOOD.

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NO. BAD. HAPPY SANDUSKY RHYTHMIC SLAPPING SOUNDS FARKED BOYS PENN STATE. PENN STATE PEOPLE NO UNDERSTAND FARK BOYS IN SHOWER. BAD. LIKE FIRE.

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2012-07-31 11:32:27 PM
gimmegimme: Derwood: Killer Cars: Derwood: Jim Tressell marketed himself as a guy with high moral character as well, and the tOSU fans all bought in.

He took over for an unpopular coach (largely because he didn't win enough) and won the national championship in his second full season. He could have been selling an image of "I kick puppies and punch babies" and Columbus would at least for the short term more than put up with it with those immediate returns.

Tenure does have a lot to do with it, and that's probably the crux of the issue; probably, what, three generations of PSU alumnus watching one guy on the sidelines all those years, with their respective elders telling him about how great he is all the time. That's a different environment.

All I'm saying is that the tattoo scandal, while on an immeasurably smaller scale, had just as much rationalization about "our good and moral coach would NEVER be involved blah blah garble garble".

I am going to disagree with you, only about the degree. A couple dozen people went to his house to say goodbye, sure. And there were certainly people who were sad Tressel left. I know it's subjective, but the PSU rage is FAR WORSE AND HAS LASTED FAR LONGER AND IS ABOUT CHILD RAPE INSTEAD OF FREE TATTOOS.


Not disagreeing with you
 
2012-07-31 11:43:06 PM
So of it was a science teacher raping little kids would they have shut down the science program and stripped it of all funding? I mean it's employees of the school, they should be put in jail and dug up and burned for what they did but seriously, I think what the NCAA did is ridiculous and the whole town and university will suffer for decades.
 
2012-07-31 11:47:39 PM
Wingnutwillie: So of it was a science teacher raping little kids would they have shut down the science program and stripped it of all funding? I mean it's employees of the school, they should be put in jail and dug up and burned for what they did but seriously, I think what the NCAA did is ridiculous and the whole town and university will suffer for decades.

Well, maybe the town and the university should try a little harder to not shelter kiddied diddlers and try too keep some perspective that football is a game, a form of entertainment, and not the cornerstone of an empire.
 
2012-07-31 11:48:23 PM
Derwood: CtrlAltDelete: kronicfeld: Pennsylvania: Pittsburgh in the west, Philadelphia in the east, Alabama in-between.

I was in Ross Park mall something like a month ago, and I saw this dude get furious at a guy for wearing a Penn State t-shirt. "Oh, what- you like raping little boys? Is that what you're saying? You like Penn State, huh, you like raping little kids? Is that what you like? You like raping people? You like RAPE?"

I thought sh*t like that only happened on Curb Your Enthusiasm.

The Anti-PSU people are 100x crazier than the PSU students


If that guy was a Penn State fan, he'd be one of the one's crying witch hunt. Same amount of derp, different directions.
 
2012-07-31 11:57:58 PM
Nabb1: Wingnutwillie: So of it was a science teacher raping little kids would they have shut down the science program and stripped it of all funding? I mean it's employees of the school, they should be put in jail and dug up and burned for what they did but seriously, I think what the NCAA did is ridiculous and the whole town and university will suffer for decades.

Well, maybe the town and the university should try a little harder to not shelter kiddied diddlers and try too keep some perspective that football is a game, a form of entertainment, and not the cornerstone of an empire.


And yet everyday parents send their kids to church and catholic schools
 
2012-07-31 11:58:39 PM
Wingnutwillie: So of it was a science teacher raping little kids would they have shut down the science program and stripped it of all funding? I mean it's employees of the school, they should be put in jail and dug up and burned for what they did but seriously, I think what the NCAA did is ridiculous and the whole town and university will suffer for decades.

Did they shut down the football program and strip it of all of it's funding? No they did not.

Do you say the same thing when a school's football program is punished for recruiting violations or players receiving improper benefits?
 
2012-08-01 12:18:56 AM
gimmegimme: doubled99: gimmegimme

*sigh
So sorry for the flippant sentence in earlier post regarding dead Pa.
Paterno knew and was guilty too. fark him. Happy?

That said, I don't believe in any punishment for anyone not directly complicit in these crimes.

Soooo...Sandusky's grandchildren shouldn't be punished by having their grandpa taken away. OJ's children shouldn't be punished by having their daddy in jail. The Germans shouldn't suffer economic sanctions because of the actions of the Nazis...


Sandusky isn't a grandfather, he is a rapist. By taking away the rapist, society is actually helping the "grandchildren" (even though it might seem to hurt them at first).

Think of it like a vaccination. Although vaccinations hurt, they are necessary to keep children safe from preventable diseases like measles.
 
2012-08-01 12:22:22 AM
ongbok: Wingnutwillie: So of it was a science teacher raping little kids would they have shut down the science program and stripped it of all funding? I mean it's employees of the school, they should be put in jail and dug up and burned for what they did but seriously, I think what the NCAA did is ridiculous and the whole town and university will suffer for decades.

Did they shut down the football program and strip it of all of it's funding? No they did not.

Do you say the same thing when a school's football program is punished for recruiting violations or players receiving improper benefits?


Ok so if a science teacher was the pedo someone should step in and take away half the scholarships for science students? How does that make any sense? I mean it's a horrible thing that happened and I think everyone involved should be punished, but I don't think it's the NCAA that should police this matter. I think they should stick o punishing recruiting violations and improper benefits, honestly this is outside their realm. Who elected these guys to pass judgement on legal matters that have nothing to do with sports, and this has nothing to do with sports, it just so happens the people involved were also involved with the sports program.
 
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2012-08-01 12:31:42 AM
Wingnutwillie: So of it was a science teacher raping little kids would they have shut down the science program and stripped it of all funding?

No one shut down the football program so your question is absurd on the face of it...but even if they did.

If the science teacher was shielded by the Dean of the School and the President of the University for 14 years...yes.
If the science teacher was allowed to hang out on campus and continue raping kids...yes.
If the science teachers boss specifically derailed anyone from reporting the rapes...yes.
If the whole reason the coverup continued was so the science program could continue to rake in sweet, sweet funding...yes.

This isn't some instance of a rapist who got caught and everyone is now shocked at what happened. This is a a rapist allowed to roam free plus a football program, the leadership of a university's athletic department and the leadership of the damn university itself participating in a 14 year coverup.

It's a damn sight different than your little glib analogy and you farking well know it.
 
2012-08-01 12:36:55 AM
Wingnutwillie: ongbok: Wingnutwillie: So of it was a science teacher raping little kids would they have shut down the science program and stripped it of all funding? I mean it's employees of the school, they should be put in jail and dug up and burned for what they did but seriously, I think what the NCAA did is ridiculous and the whole town and university will suffer for decades.

Did they shut down the football program and strip it of all of it's funding? No they did not.

Do you say the same thing when a school's football program is punished for recruiting violations or players receiving improper benefits?

Ok so if a science teacher was the pedo someone should step in and take away half the scholarships for science students? How does that make any sense? I mean it's a horrible thing that happened and I think everyone involved should be punished, but I don't think it's the NCAA that should police this matter. I think they should stick o punishing recruiting violations and improper benefits, honestly this is outside their realm. Who elected these guys to pass judgement on legal matters that have nothing to do with sports, and this has nothing to do with sports, it just so happens the people involved were also involved with the sports program.


First off the school is an academic institution not an athletic institution. So academics are necessary and come first. Having a football team is a privileged and not a right. Some of you Penn State defenders seem to be forgetting this. Plus there isn't some collegiate governing body over academic programs who laid down rules for academic programs to follow and who also dictates the punishment for breaking those rules. However for football there is, and Penn State broke the rules.

Secondly the NCAA is doing there job and acting well within its boundaries. Penn State violated NCAA rules by covering up criminal activities perpetrated by a member of one of its athletics teams. That is against the NCAA rules. They are not passing judgement on legal matters, they are passing judgement on the rules that were broken. You can't go around and pick and choose which rules the NCAA is allowed to enforce.

I going to hate to see what all of you Penn State apologist have to say when the civil suits for the victims start coming in. Now that is going to be ugly.
 
2012-08-01 12:48:13 AM
Krymson Tyde: RickyWilliams'sBong: kronicfeld: Pennsylvania: Pittsburgh in the west, Philadelphia in the east, Alabama in-between.

I like ripping on Alabama as much as the next guy (Roll Tards!), but if Bear Bryant himself were found to have done what Paterno did, Alabamans would've drowned him in the Gulf.

Indeed. Penn State folks have reach a previously unheard of level of cultish hero worship.


I fail to see how these idiots still defend this and shiat on the freeh report when it actually has fact and details that make them seem even worse. So fark any PSU fan who complains about players leaving or trashing them because recruits back out on their school.

Derwood: My family lived in State College for 20+ years. I've now lived in Columbus, OH for 5. The level of football worship here is way higher than it ever was a Penn State, and it pales in comparison to the southern schools

Because there is nothing else to do in columbus, the difference is that OSU wouldnt have put up with this bullshiat but PSU fans still defend the program and are telling kids good riddance if they leave, I think they will be shocked when more recruits back out once they realize how farked they really will be if they go there.
 
2012-08-01 12:50:13 AM
Wingnutwillie: Ok so if a science teacher was the pedo someone should step in and take away half the scholarships for science students? How does that make any sense? I mean it's a horrible thing that happened and I think everyone involved should be punished, but I don't think it's the NCAA that should police this matter. I think they should stick o punishing recruiting violations and improper benefits, honestly this is outside their realm. Who elected these guys to pass judgement on legal matters that have nothing to do with sports, and this has nothing to do with sports, it just so happens the people involved were also involved with the sports program.

Did the people in charge of the science department condone and protect the teacher for over a decade?

Then shut it down and fire all of them while they wait in jail to be raped themselves.
 
2012-08-01 01:34:05 AM
I love the PSU defenders who say that JoePa did so much good for the school by donating money. They don't know what to say when I point out that the money he donated was only available because he actively covered up the rape of multiple children for over a decade.

I'm a Pitt alum, but I always thought highly of PSU. Given the idiocy of a very large percentage of their graduates, I'm really starting to rethink my views on the education they received.
 
2012-08-01 03:01:05 AM
THIS shiat right here is exactly why Penn State should have gotten the death penalty.

These corrupt inbred football hicks would rather threaten victims of sexual abuse - kids who at one time might have hoped to become players for Penn State - than stand behind and support the children from their OWN farkING TOWN.

Any community that would sacrifice their own farking children for money and status doesn't deserve to exist on this goddam planet any longer. The whole shiatty town should be nuked from orbit.
 
2012-08-01 03:04:34 AM
Derwood: The Anti-PSU people are 100x crazier than the PSU students

So far no anti PSU riots soooo... no.
 
2012-08-01 03:10:36 AM
Wingnutwillie: So of it was a science teacher raping little kids would they have shut down the science program and stripped it of all funding? I mean it's employees of the school, they should be put in jail and dug up and burned for what they did but seriously, I think what the NCAA did is ridiculous and the whole town and university will suffer for decades.

PSU has two of those too. One still publishing from prison under the PSU banner. Sooooo....
 
2012-08-01 03:20:15 AM
Wingnutwillie: ongbok: Wingnutwillie: So of it was a science teacher raping little kids would they have shut down the science program and stripped it of all funding? I mean it's employees of the school, they should be put in jail and dug up and burned for what they did but seriously, I think what the NCAA did is ridiculous and the whole town and university will suffer for decades.

Did they shut down the football program and strip it of all of it's funding? No they did not.

Do you say the same thing when a school's football program is punished for recruiting violations or players receiving improper benefits?

Ok so if a science teacher was the pedo someone should step in and take away half the scholarships for science students? How does that make any sense? I mean it's a horrible thing that happened and I think everyone involved should be punished, but I don't think it's the NCAA that should police this matter. I think they should stick o punishing recruiting violations and improper benefits, honestly this is outside their realm. Who elected these guys to pass judgement on legal matters that have nothing to do with sports, and this has nothing to do with sports, it just so happens the people involved were also involved with the sports program.


Hey dingbat, it has everything to do with sports. Stop pretending that it doesn't.
 
2012-08-01 08:55:20 AM
gimmegimme: I am going to disagree with you, only about the degree. A couple dozen people went to his house to say goodbye, sure. And there were certainly people who were sad Tressel left. I know it's subjective, but the PSU rage is FAR WORSE AND HAS LASTED FAR LONGER AND IS ABOUT CHILD RAPE INSTEAD OF FREE TATTOOS.

See, you're wrong about one thing: this is still, ultimately, about child rape and its enablers. A culture that would shelter a child rapist because football, and continues to support those who did shelter a child rapist because football, brings nothing of value to the table of humanity, and whatever inherent value lies in its existence is more than negated by the harm it has done. It deserves only to be wiped from the face of the planet, and so its heart -football- needs to be ripped out.
 
2012-08-01 09:18:25 AM
Nabb1: Wingnutwillie: So of it was a science teacher raping little kids would they have shut down the science program and stripped it of all funding? I mean it's employees of the school, they should be put in jail and dug up and burned for what they did but seriously, I think what the NCAA did is ridiculous and the whole town and university will suffer for decades.

Well, maybe the town and the university should try a little harder to not shelter kiddied diddlers and try too keep some perspective that football is a game, a form of entertainment, and not the cornerstone of an empire.


I take issue with this type of statement. It implies that the entire university, student body, and population of State College KNEW that there was child rape going on for 14 years, and they ALL were actively enabling and hiding it. That's bullshiat and unfair.

A small handful of people knew about it and are (hopefully) all going to suffer harsh consequences. The football program will suffer due to lack of institutional control.

But let's cut the hyperbolic "ZOMG EVERYONE IN PENNSYLVANIA LOVES DIDDLING KIDS!!!11ELEVENTY!!!!!"
 
2012-08-01 09:46:43 AM
Here's the thin that central pa people either don't know or conveniently omit. Sandusky was known as a molester in the area. Local schools turned him down when he wanted to volunteer for free. Imagine your local high school turning down free coaching from a legend? Why? People knew. Look its all anecdotal and hearsay and gossipy, but if you get the right person to talk to you about it, they'll admit it.
Joe pa knew. Lots of people knew. They just turned that blind eye.
There's no solid evidence. There won't be any smoking gun email or voice mail. But there's a lot of silent guilty consciences in central pa.

I know that without real verifiable facts its impossible to prove. I know it seems like piling on the dead guy, but he knew. Many central pa football people knew. I'm hoping someone else here has heard these rumors and gossip before and can corroborate. The guys I talked to have no reason to lie.
 
2012-08-01 09:49:09 AM
The NCAA abused its authority in a huge way.

Sorry if you disagree, but if you do, you're a goddamn idiot who doesn't understand the first farking thing about college athletics and the NCAA. (And to pre-empt your question, yes, I do. I spent ten years working as an NCAA compliance officer before I decided to go make better money and stop dealing with prima donna football coaches and college presidents. I know what I'm talking about and you don't. STFU.)

Nobody in the angry mob wants to admit they're in the angry mob. They just want to burn the witch.

The NCAA involving itself in this matter is a grandstanding move that will serve to diminish what happened here by making it about football instead of abuse.
 
2012-08-01 09:53:19 AM
oldweevil: The NCAA abused its authority in a huge way.

Sorry if you disagree, but if you do, you're a goddamn idiot who doesn't understand the first farking thing about college athletics and the NCAA. (And to pre-empt your question, yes, I do. I spent ten years working as an NCAA compliance officer before I decided to go make better money and stop dealing with prima donna football coaches and college presidents. I know what I'm talking about and you don't. STFU.)

Nobody in the angry mob wants to admit they're in the angry mob. They just want to burn the witch.

The NCAA involving itself in this matter is a grandstanding move that will serve to diminish what happened here by making it about football instead of abuse.


So is covering up criminal activity committed by a member of a sports team not a violation of NCAA rules?
 
2012-08-01 09:55:59 AM
ongbok: oldweevil: The NCAA abused its authority in a huge way.

Sorry if you disagree, but if you do, you're a goddamn idiot who doesn't understand the first farking thing about college athletics and the NCAA. (And to pre-empt your question, yes, I do. I spent ten years working as an NCAA compliance officer before I decided to go make better money and stop dealing with prima donna football coaches and college presidents. I know what I'm talking about and you don't. STFU.)

Nobody in the angry mob wants to admit they're in the angry mob. They just want to burn the witch.

The NCAA involving itself in this matter is a grandstanding move that will serve to diminish what happened here by making it about football instead of abuse.

So is covering up criminal activity committed by a member of a sports team not a violation of NCAA rules?


No. It should be, and it will be, but as the rules are written, no. And more importantly, the NCAA has long taken a hands-off approach to it.
 
rka
2012-08-01 10:04:57 AM
oldweevil: Nobody in the angry mob wants to admit they're in the angry mob. They just want to burn the witch.

So the NCAA should have done nothing? That's your stance?
 
2012-08-01 10:09:20 AM
Derwood: But let's cut the hyperbolic "ZOMG EVERYONE IN PENNSYLVANIA LOVES DIDDLING KIDS!!!11ELEVENTY!!!!!"

The truth is bad enough: A whole lot of PSU fans (at least 70,000) are continuing to deny it happened, and continuing to deny that university officials a) knew about it, b) didn't stop it, and c) covered it up afterward. All of which are fact.
 
2012-08-01 10:30:05 AM
kingoomieiii: sweetmelissa31: Get over yourselves. Winning a medal doesn't change what happened.

Rookie mistake. I think you'll find that winning a medal will un-rape all those kids and retroactively stop the cover-up.

/Penn state should have been excluded from all football events for 20 years
/Fark alums, fark current students, fark PA


But the hot dogs, or jurisdiction, or the innocents, or something!
 
2012-08-01 10:32:34 AM
someonelse: Derwood: But let's cut the hyperbolic "ZOMG EVERYONE IN PENNSYLVANIA LOVES DIDDLING KIDS!!!11ELEVENTY!!!!!"

The truth is bad enough: A whole lot of PSU fans (at least 70,000) are continuing to deny it happened, and continuing to deny that university officials a) knew about it, b) didn't stop it, and c) covered it up afterward. All of which are fact.


And those people are idiots. But don't lump the other million+ alumni and former State College residents in with the mouth-breathers
 
2012-08-01 11:00:58 AM
Derwood: And those people are idiots. But don't lump the other million+ alumni and former State College residents in with the mouth-breathers

There are about half a million living Penn State Amuni.

70k represents 12% of that, even if you include "State College Residents" that's a pretty significant sample.

oldweevil: The NCAA involving itself in this matter is a grandstanding move that will serve to diminish what happened here by making it about football instead of abuse.

Penn State was the one who made it about football instead of abuse, and that's why the Penn State fotoball program needed to be punished. They were using the football program not only as an excuse to cover up, but as a means of enabling these atrocities. They did so in an effort to prevent any sort of negative impact to the Football Program. the football program benefited from a competitive standpoint for over a decade because of this cover-up, and now is receiving a just punishment from the appropriate governing body.
 
2012-08-01 11:03:21 AM
rka: oldweevil: Nobody in the angry mob wants to admit they're in the angry mob. They just want to burn the witch.

So the NCAA should have done nothing? That's your stance?


It sounds like that is his point. Basically, leave the precious football program out of this, because technically, the NCAA shouldn't touch this, and has never punished a school for protecting, and further enabling a child rapist before this.

Also, JoePa is a mythical witch to be burned, not a staunch protector of a child rapist. Perhaps oldweevil thinks that it isn't rape if the kids begged for Sandusky's dick in their ass, therefore, JoePa did nothing wrong, and is just being persecuted, like those ancient witches.

I'm just shooting spitballs here, not trying to put words into anybody's mouth, but that's what it sounds like he's saying, to me at least.
 
2012-08-01 11:23:02 AM
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: MisterTweak: Let's store the statue somewhere safe, like... where's the biggest waste treatment facility in the area?

Screw that. Re-erect it in the middle of Centralia, PA.


Three Mile Island?
 
2012-08-01 11:23:47 AM
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