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(Syracuse Post-Standard)   Richard Hanna (R-NY) is " frustrated by how much we - I mean the Republican Party - are willing to give deferential treatment to our extremes in this moment in history.... We render ourselves incapable of governing"   (syracuse.com) divider line 84
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2012-07-31 09:32:24 AM  
Richard Hanna! Incidentally, a buddy of mine was one of his county coordinators and help get him elected. That's why I'm donating money to him.
 
2012-07-31 09:34:22 AM  
Well, that's a RINO all right.
 
2012-07-31 09:40:25 AM  

GAT_00: Well, that's a RINO all right.


My picture with Richard Hana is my facebook profile picture right now (and has been for the last 3 weeks).
 
2012-07-31 09:46:40 AM  

GAT_00: Well, that's a RINO all right.


A New York Republican would be a Democrat anywhere else in the country.

My wife (a lifelong Republican from Staten Island) just doesn't seem to get that.
 
2012-07-31 09:51:01 AM  
Probably too little, too late, there cowboy.
 
2012-07-31 10:00:36 AM  
Great. He'll be called a RINO and purged. Score still zero for American citizens.
 
2012-07-31 10:34:56 AM  
In other news, New York legislators who never marinated in the fetid purulent steaming cesspit of thievery and corruption known as the New York state legislature can often say surprisingly sensible things.
 
2012-07-31 10:41:33 AM  
oh his ass just got added to the next purge list for sure...
 
2012-07-31 11:16:18 AM  
Shame he'll be purged by Friday...
 
2012-07-31 11:16:34 AM  
www.mozilla.org
 
2012-07-31 11:17:24 AM  

Gulper Eel: In other news, New York legislators who never marinated in the fetid purulent steaming cesspit of thievery and corruption known as the New York state legislature can often say surprisingly sensible things.

say

being the operative word, "do" is another story.
 
2012-07-31 11:18:19 AM  
Has he left the Republican party? No.
Will be he contributing to a Republican Congressional majority if elected, and thus enabling the exact ultra-conservative agenda that he's speaking out against? Yes.

His words are meaningless without action.
 
2012-07-31 11:20:54 AM  
img1.fark.net for stating the img1.fark.net? How about no. This pissant votes Boehner for Speaker and toes the GOP line. He gets no credit for whining about extremists that he so effectively enables.
 
2012-07-31 11:21:05 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: GAT_00: Well, that's a RINO all right.

A New York Republican would be a Democrat anywhere else in the country.

My wife (a lifelong Republican from Staten Island) just doesn't seem to get that.


They say the same about California Republicans. By sheer numbers alone, the two should be able to form some sort of New Republican Voltron and push out the derp.. pity it won't happen.

qorkfiend: Has he left the Republican party? No.
Will be he contributing to a Republican Congressional majority if elected, and thus enabling the exact ultra-conservative agenda that he's speaking out against? Yes.

His words are meaningless without action.


Because every congresscritter votes the party line all the time, amiright?
 
2012-07-31 11:21:22 AM  

friday13: Shame he'll be purged by Friday...


nah - i'll bet he's already being pressured to resign.
 
2012-07-31 11:22:21 AM  
When you divide into shirts vs. skins and your team has a platform of obstructionism to spite a black man, penis-goes-where obsession, tax reform focused on giving more to those who are not in need, cutting funding for the poor, racism, bigotry, hipocracy regarding fiscal conservatism (corporate welfare, DoD pork barell spending, etc) and NO FARKING PLAN TO FIX THE ECONOMY then yes it is time to take the megaphone away from the bible pounders and tea baggers. You haven't and can't govern until you do this. You will continue to be on the loosing team because any "victory" shows the voting public just how farked you guys really are.

The strategy of Party above Country has failed. Clean house and give us a viable option that doesn't contain ignorance, bigortry, and hipocracy.
 
2012-07-31 11:22:45 AM  
So how much are the national GOP gonna put into Michael Kicinski's write-in campaign? I see no reason why they wouldn't take a page out of Murkowski's playbook (of course, they'll probably skip the page where she decided to run her write-in campaign when the guy who beat her in the primary decided to tweet the next day that he was in DC measuring the windows for new drapes) in order to kick that RINO out of Congress.

And when (not "if") they end up losing that seat to the Democrats, they'll blame Hanna for not being conservative enough, rather than themselves for pulling another NY-23.
 
2012-07-31 11:23:10 AM  
tvmedia.ign.com

There's a turd in the punch bowl.
 
2012-07-31 11:23:34 AM  

bhcompy: DjangoStonereaver: GAT_00: Well, that's a RINO all right.

A New York Republican would be a Democrat anywhere else in the country.

My wife (a lifelong Republican from Staten Island) just doesn't seem to get that.

They say the same about California Republicans. By sheer numbers alone, the two should be able to form some sort of New Republican Voltron and push out the derp.. pity it won't happen.

qorkfiend: Has he left the Republican party? No.
Will be he contributing to a Republican Congressional majority if elected, and thus enabling the exact ultra-conservative agenda that he's speaking out against? Yes.

His words are meaningless without action.

Because every congresscritter votes the party line all the time, amiright?


Will being elected as a Republican contribute to the Republican Congressional majority, yes or no?
Will a second-term representative have any influence in a Republican Congressional majority, specifically with respect to the legislative agenda, yes or no?
Will the Republican Congressional majority be driven by the Republican leadership in Congress, which Rep. Hana has contributed to putting in power, yes or no?
 
2012-07-31 11:24:44 AM  
Looks like HL Hunt got the last laugh over Ike, eh?

Also, it's not leadership that's giving "deferential treatment to [their] extremes" - it's the teabag voters electing the imbeciles in the first place. Sure, leadership could say "Could you not be so crazy all the time?", but how big is the Tea Party Caucus? How many districts did they win in 2010? How many people (well, percentage-wise; the Tea Party does the best in the Mountain time zone, which has fewer people than metro-area NY) are represented by the Tea Party?

It was Republican Barry Goldwater who most recently tried to warn you about the extremism of god-botherers in 1984. You ignored him at your peril, and his assessment was prescient: "There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.' Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of 'conservatism.' "

And then he retired so John McCain could be a Senator.

// bonus quote: "Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass."
 
2012-07-31 11:26:25 AM  

Weaver95: friday13: Shame he'll be purged by Friday...

nah - i'll bet he's already being pressured to resign.


that's still by Friday.

But you're right. He'll probably announce it tomorrow.

or

BREAKING NEWS 3:30 PM Jul. 31 : Richard Hanna (R-NY) resigns from his post after saying his party can't govern.
 
2012-07-31 11:26:37 AM  

Dr Dreidel: It was Republican Barry Goldwater who most recently tried to warn you about the extremism of god-botherers in 1984 1981.


Only the GOP rewrites history.
 
2012-07-31 11:27:14 AM  

King Something: So how much are the national GOP gonna put into Michael Kicinski's write-in campaign? I see no reason why they wouldn't take a page out of Murkowski's playbook (of course, they'll probably skip the page where she decided to run her write-in campaign when the guy who beat her in the primary decided to tweet the next day that he was in DC measuring the windows for new drapes) in order to kick that RINO out of Congress.

And when (not "if") they end up losing that seat to the Democrats, they'll blame Hanna for not being conservative enough, rather than themselves for pulling another NY-23.


I'm in his district. I've argued with him (via email) on several issues, and I've liked that I always get a response (first automated, followed by a more personal one). I can see the GOP pushing someone more "conservative" than this guy, but this is a fairly red area (DoD contract firms are some of the best employers around here) in an overall blue state, so I doubt it.
 
2012-07-31 11:27:17 AM  

Dr Dreidel: It was Republican Barry Goldwater who most recently tried to warn you about the extremism of god-botherers in 1984.


Prescient quote of the century

"...the Republicans will join hands with the southern Democrats to try and repeal or undermine every social reform the New Deal has put in. The hue and cry against labor has already started! The republicans have not had an idea since Benjamin Harrison's time and the southern democrats have not had one since Appomattox---and I foresee an unofficial coalition of them running the country."

Esther Murray, in a letter to Eleanor Roosevelt, late 1942, cited in Lisa Cohen, All We Know: Three Lives (Farrar Strauss, 2012), p. 96.
 
2012-07-31 11:27:24 AM  
He's more liberal then our Democrats here in the Midwest.

I don't understand why he ran under the Republican banner. If "teams" don't matter to him and he's in a high-Democrat area, why wouldn't he just become a blue dog.
 
2012-07-31 11:28:03 AM  

qorkfiend: Will being elected as a Republican contribute to the Republican Congressional majority, yes or no?
Will a second-term representative have any influence in a Republican Congressional majority, specifically with respect to the legislative agenda, yes or no?
Will the Republican Congressional majority be driven by the Republican leadership in Congress, which Rep. Hana has contributed to putting in power, yes or no?


1) And? Will electing Obama contribute to the Democratic majority in the Executive branch?
2) Will electing more moderates soften the sometimes extreme posture of a party?
3) See #2

Your reasoning is highly flawed. You seem to be suggesting that instead of electing moderate Republicans, the better course is for only extreme Republicans to be in office, as if that will improve things.
 
2012-07-31 11:29:09 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: GAT_00: Well, that's a RINO all right.

A New York Republican would be a Democrat anywhere else in the country.

My wife (a lifelong Republican from Staten Island) just doesn't seem to get that.


Not upstate. When the wife and I lived in Syracuse, we met some REAL derpy folks.
 
2012-07-31 11:29:58 AM  
This should be the ONLY topic at the national convention.
 
2012-07-31 11:31:47 AM  

HellRaisingHoosier: He's more liberal then our Democrats here in the Midwest.

I don't understand why he ran under the Republican banner. If "teams" don't matter to him and he's in a high-Democrat area, why wouldn't he just become a blue dog.


He's not in a high-democrat area...he's in mainland New York State.

Srsly. Imagine a map of the red and blue states, then shrink it and put it over New York. Blue on the 'coasts,' red inbetween.

/Originally from the red inbetween.
 
2012-07-31 11:35:05 AM  

willicus: DjangoStonereaver: GAT_00: Well, that's a RINO all right.

A New York Republican would be a Democrat anywhere else in the country.

My wife (a lifelong Republican from Staten Island) just doesn't seem to get that.

Not upstate. When the wife and I lived in Syracuse, we met some REAL derpy folks.


I went to school with John DiFrancisco's kids...or maybe his grandkids...in Syracuse >20 years ago...if one of them forgot their homework we'd joke the commies took it. HE was saying "because socialism" way before the tea party existed...You want liver damage? Watch the state senate and drink every time he says socialism.
...and yet...the city protected teh gays before anyone else in the State, even NYC and Ithaca.
 
2012-07-31 11:36:23 AM  

bhcompy: qorkfiend: Will being elected as a Republican contribute to the Republican Congressional majority, yes or no?
Will a second-term representative have any influence in a Republican Congressional majority, specifically with respect to the legislative agenda, yes or no?
Will the Republican Congressional majority be driven by the Republican leadership in Congress, which Rep. Hana has contributed to putting in power, yes or no?

1) And? Will electing Obama contribute to the Democratic majority in the Executive branch?
2) Will electing more moderates soften the sometimes extreme posture of a party?
3) See #2

Your reasoning is highly flawed. You seem to be suggesting that instead of electing moderate Republicans, the better course is for only extreme Republicans to be in office, as if that will improve things.


Instead of moderate Republicans enabling the extremes in their own party by contributing to Congressional majorities dominated by that extreme, they should do something about it. They can't do anything within the party. The only thing the leadership will react to is the threat of losing their majority, and electing moderate Republicans who cannot do anything to moderate their party accomplishes nothing.
 
2012-07-31 11:38:10 AM  

Citrate1007: When you divide into shirts vs. skins and your team has a platform of obstructionism to spite a black man, penis-goes-where obsession, tax reform focused on giving more to those who are not in need, cutting funding for the poor, racism, bigotry, hipocracy regarding fiscal conservatism (corporate welfare, DoD pork barell spending, etc) and NO FARKING PLAN TO FIX THE ECONOMY then yes it is time to take the megaphone away from the bible pounders and tea baggers. You haven't and can't govern until you do this. You will continue to be on the loosing team because any "victory" shows the voting public just how farked you guys really are.

The strategy of Party above Country has failed. Clean house and give us a viable option that doesn't contain ignorance, bigortry, and hipocracy.


I don't think your mirror is working.
 
2012-07-31 11:39:10 AM  

qorkfiend: Instead of moderate Republicans enabling the extremes in their own party by contributing to Congressional majorities dominated by that extreme, they should do something about it. They can't do anything within the party. The only thing the leadership will react to is the threat of losing their majority, and electing moderate Republicans who cannot do anything to moderate their party accomplishes nothing.


And why can they do nothing to moderate their party? Parties change over time. Nothing changes immediately. The Republican party and Democratic party have both made major shifts numerous times over the past century because of the different people that came and go through the party.
 
2012-07-31 11:40:09 AM  

HellRaisingHoosier: I don't understand why he ran under the Republican banner. If "teams" don't matter to him and he's in a high-Democrat area, why wouldn't he just become a blue dog.


NY Democrats also purge the disloyal with great vigor. Just look at Kirsten Gillibrand (and not just because she's hot). She started off as a centrist Democrat in the House, but to get backing once she was appointed to the Senate she had to placate every sharptonoid leftist south of I-287.

Daniel Patrick Moynihan would be drummed out of the 2012 NY Democratic party.
 
2012-07-31 11:41:51 AM  

bhcompy: They say the same about California Republicans


It's not true about California Republicans. Who do you think pushed for Prop. 8?

/besides all that outside money from Utah that had nothing whatsoever to do with the Mormon church, I mean.
 
2012-07-31 11:42:36 AM  

bhcompy: qorkfiend: Instead of moderate Republicans enabling the extremes in their own party by contributing to Congressional majorities dominated by that extreme, they should do something about it. They can't do anything within the party. The only thing the leadership will react to is the threat of losing their majority, and electing moderate Republicans who cannot do anything to moderate their party accomplishes nothing.

And why can they do nothing to moderate their party? Parties change over time. Nothing changes immediately. The Republican party and Democratic party have both made major shifts numerous times over the past century because of the different people that came and go through the party.


Because they're completely outnumbered? Yes, parties change over time. So what? A key component of those changes is party members leaving because they dislike the direction the party is headed and they no longer wish to contribute their time or energy to that platform. Rep. Hana is very disappointed and frustrated with the direction his party is heading, but is completely unwilling to do anything about it other than mention it in passing. In the meantime, he still enables the extreme agenda of his party, and his election is one more vote for a Republican Speaker of the House.
 
2012-07-31 11:43:57 AM  

bhcompy: 2) Will electing more moderates soften the sometimes extreme posture of a party?


No. Not as long as they vote in lockstep with their party leaders.
 
2012-07-31 11:45:47 AM  

Gulper Eel: Daniel Patrick Moynihan would be drummed out of the 2012 NY Democratic party.


That depends. Would he change his mind about some topics as he gained the information he lacked during his tenure, or would he, like the GOP, double-down on any positions that fly against reality?
 
2012-07-31 11:46:12 AM  
He's doomed.

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!
 
2012-07-31 11:47:01 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Looks like HL Hunt got the last laugh over Ike, eh?


Sadly, this.

Dusk-You-n-Me: "...the Republicans will join hands with the southern Democrats to try and repeal or undermine every social reform the New Deal has put in. The hue and cry against labor has already started! The republicans have not had an idea since Benjamin Harrison's time and the southern democrats have not had one since Appomattox---and I foresee an unofficial coalition of them running the country."


Also, this.
 
2012-07-31 11:47:48 AM  

bhcompy: qorkfiend: Instead of moderate Republicans enabling the extremes in their own party by contributing to Congressional majorities dominated by that extreme, they should do something about it. They can't do anything within the party. The only thing the leadership will react to is the threat of losing their majority, and electing moderate Republicans who cannot do anything to moderate their party accomplishes nothing.

And why can they do nothing to moderate their party? Parties change over time. Nothing changes immediately. The Republican party and Democratic party have both made major shifts numerous times over the past century because of the different people that came and go through the party.


Because anyone who doesn't toe the line of the extremists gets primaried out of their seat and replaced by an actual extremist. So they vote along the lines their party demands out of fear of losing their jobs.

And yes, parties change over time. And the GOP has changed to the point where ideas they were championing in the 90's and in the case of Mitt Romney and others as recently as 2009 (individual mandate) is now anti-American, job destroying socialism. They drummed out Dick Lugar for working with then Senator Obama on securing loose nuclear material in the former Soviet Union. They called Huntsman a traitor for being ambassador to China.

Reagan is too liberal for today's GOP for crying out loud.
 
2012-07-31 11:49:37 AM  

bhcompy: They say the same about California Republicans.


Yeah, two words for that: Darryl Issa.
 
2012-07-31 11:50:10 AM  
But don't be a Democrat that disagrees with the Obama administration.

They're running out of crosses to nail you to.
 
2012-07-31 11:51:33 AM  

Aarontology: bhcompy: qorkfiend: Instead of moderate Republicans enabling the extremes in their own party by contributing to Congressional majorities dominated by that extreme, they should do something about it. They can't do anything within the party. The only thing the leadership will react to is the threat of losing their majority, and electing moderate Republicans who cannot do anything to moderate their party accomplishes nothing.

And why can they do nothing to moderate their party? Parties change over time. Nothing changes immediately. The Republican party and Democratic party have both made major shifts numerous times over the past century because of the different people that came and go through the party.

Because anyone who doesn't toe the line of the extremists gets primaried out of their seat and replaced by an actual extremist. So they vote along the lines their party demands out of fear of losing their jobs.

And yes, parties change over time. And the GOP has changed to the point where ideas they were championing in the 90's and in the case of Mitt Romney and others as recently as 2009 (individual mandate) is now anti-American, job destroying socialism. They drummed out Dick Lugar for working with then Senator Obama on securing loose nuclear material in the former Soviet Union. They called Huntsman a traitor for being ambassador to China.

Reagan is too liberal for today's GOP for crying out loud.


Someone on Fark said that the GOP would eventually be reduced to one white guy looking into a mirror and accusing his reflection of being a RINO. If Obama wins reelection and the Democrats retake the House and keep the Senate, that will almost certainly happen before the end of this decade.
 
2012-07-31 11:56:30 AM  

HeartBurnKid: bhcompy: They say the same about California Republicans

It's not true about California Republicans. Who do you think pushed for Prop. 8?

/besides all that outside money from Utah that had nothing whatsoever to do with the Mormon church, I mean.


The California Republican Governor at the time was against Prop 8. That would be the most visible and most influential Republican in the state.

Who was for it? Religious people. Who are the religious people in CA? Well, the largest ethnic voting demographic for Prop 8 was African-Americans, followed by Latin-Americans, both of which voted for Prop 8 by a significant majority. A minority of white and Asians voted for prop 8. Funny thing, African-Americans and Latin-Americans heavily vote Democratic, and Latin-Americans make up about 40% of the state population(which is the same as non-Latino whites). Latin-Americans are heavily Catholic while African-Americans are strongly Protestant.
 
2012-07-31 11:58:12 AM  

OmniView: Citrate1007: When you divide into shirts vs. skins and your team has a platform of obstructionism to spite a black man, penis-goes-where obsession, tax reform focused on giving more to those who are not in need, cutting funding for the poor, racism, bigotry, hipocracy regarding fiscal conservatism (corporate welfare, DoD pork barell spending, etc) and NO FARKING PLAN TO FIX THE ECONOMY then yes it is time to take the megaphone away from the bible pounders and tea baggers. You haven't and can't govern until you do this. You will continue to be on the loosing team because any "victory" shows the voting public just how farked you guys really are.

The strategy of Party above Country has failed. Clean house and give us a viable option that doesn't contain ignorance, bigortry, and hipocracy.

I don't think your mirror is working.


Penis goes where legislation vs. jobs bills.

/you're really going to defend the tea party/bible pounders?
 
2012-07-31 12:00:09 PM  

Citrate1007: When you divide into shirts vs. skins and your team has a platform of obstructionism to spite a black man, penis-goes-where obsession, tax reform focused on giving more to those who are not in need, cutting funding for the poor, racism, bigotry, hipocracy regarding fiscal conservatism (corporate welfare, DoD pork barell spending, etc) and NO FARKING PLAN TO FIX THE ECONOMY then yes it is time to take the megaphone away from the bible pounders and tea baggers. You haven't and can't govern until you do this. You will continue to be on the loosing team because any "victory" shows the voting public just how farked you guys really are.

The strategy of Party above Country has failed. Clean house and give us a viable option that doesn't contain ignorance, bigortry, and hipocracy.


Thank You! Welcome............to my favorites list. Think I will make you purple.
 
2012-07-31 12:00:29 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: A New York Republican would be a Democrat anywhere else in the country.


True. Same things goes for most New England and California Republicans.
 
2012-07-31 12:05:35 PM  
GRIPE ABOUT GOP EXTREMISTS
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CONTINUE TO ALLOW EXTREMISTS INTO GOP


Saying that you have a problem is a good first sign, but then you've gotta follow it up by actually DOING something to correct it. It's like going to AA and saying you have a drinking problem, and then driving off to the bar for some tequila shots.
 
2012-07-31 12:06:35 PM  

theorellior: bhcompy: They say the same about California Republicans.

Yeah, two words for that: Darryl Issa.


Two more words: Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Aarontology: Because anyone who doesn't toe the line of the extremists gets primaried out of their seat and replaced by an actual extremist. So they vote along the lines their party demands out of fear of losing their jobs.

And yes, parties change over time. And the GOP has changed to the point where ideas they were championing in the 90's and in the case of Mitt Romney and others as recently as 2009 (individual mandate) is now anti-American, job destroying socialism. They drummed out Dick Lugar for working with then Senator Obama on securing loose nuclear material in the former Soviet Union. They called Huntsman a traitor for being ambassador to China.

Reagan is too liberal for today's GOP for crying out loud.


And that means it's high time for more moderates to enter the party to shift it the other way. It's cyclical.

Keep in mind the Republican Party endorsed a very generic modern female businesswoman Republican over super-derper-extreme Orly Taitz in California, and Taitz lost the primary.
 
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