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(AP)   A Perfect Circle: Pro-bomb voices grow louder in Japan as the country considers making nuclear weapons   (hosted.ap.org ) divider line
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2012-07-31 02:02:34 PM  

jshine: sobernutz: Is the U.S. going to sanction the shiat out of them? Are we going to "bomb them back into the stone age"?

Meh, did that already.

/...and with nukes


Don't forget the fire bombing raids also.
 
2012-07-31 02:03:36 PM  

Mister Horse: I thought all uses of nuclear weapons were banned after the Antarctic Treaty of UC 0079?


Lots of stuff is banned. ...but if you have nukes, who's going to complain? Besides, all rules are flexible; the real world is based on realpolitik.

/ does "sternly-worded letter" beat "nuclear bomb"?
 
2012-07-31 02:03:54 PM  

sobernutz: jshine: sobernutz: Is the U.S. going to sanction the shiat out of them? Are we going to "bomb them back into the stone age"?

Meh, did that already.

/...and with nukes

Don't forget the fire bombing raids also.


...which actually caused MORE deaths than the nuclear attacks, given that Nagasaki is in a valley and the blast was somewhat shielded by a number of hills.
 
2012-07-31 02:05:41 PM  

Mister Horse: I thought all uses of nuclear weapons were banned after the Antarctic Treaty of UC 0079?


They're also banned under the Great Convention.

/you got your Gundam in my Dune
 
2012-07-31 02:06:15 PM  
From dehumanization to arms production, to hasten the nation towards it's destruction. Power is power, the law of the land, those living for death will die by their own hand.
 
2012-07-31 02:06:24 PM  

Dynascape: True, and any nuclear-capable state needs a "space program" to develop delivery systems for said nuclear weapons.


Also already done.
 
2012-07-31 02:07:46 PM  

gopher321: Pro-bomb voices=nutty fringe groups

The people/politicians are just saying that they shouldn't discard nuclear power as it shows other countries that they CAN build nukes...but choose not to.

If any country absolutely abhors nuclear bombs, it's Japan.


So the plutonium they've been collecting for 40 years is all peaceful, kind plutonium?
 
2012-07-31 02:07:57 PM  

Dynascape: sobernutz: jshine: sobernutz: Is the U.S. going to sanction the shiat out of them? Are we going to "bomb them back into the stone age"?

Meh, did that already.

/...and with nukes

Don't forget the fire bombing raids also.

...which actually caused MORE deaths than the nuclear attacks, given that Nagasaki is in a valley and the blast was somewhat shielded by a number of hills.


They missed the aim point on that one by miles.
 
2012-07-31 02:08:35 PM  
Besides, what does Japan need nuclear weapons for? They already have these:

www.quangtruong.net
 
2012-07-31 02:09:17 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: Dynascape: sobernutz: jshine: sobernutz: Is the U.S. going to sanction the shiat out of them? Are we going to "bomb them back into the stone age"?

Meh, did that already.

/...and with nukes

Don't forget the fire bombing raids also.

...which actually caused MORE deaths than the nuclear attacks, given that Nagasaki is in a valley and the blast was somewhat shielded by a number of hills.

They missed the aim point on that one by miles.


That reminds me.. I should go to the Air Force Museum this weekend.

They have Boxscar there on display.
 
2012-07-31 02:09:24 PM  

philotech: Counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drum...


I didn't know about that song until the commerical for RAGE. That's a badass song.
 
2012-07-31 02:10:09 PM  

WarpZone: [27.media.tumblr.com image 348x453]


Win.
 
2012-07-31 02:10:40 PM  
Japan also wants to be able to carry a concealed nuke into a bar. And what is up with all of the administrative red tape you have to go through with the IAEA. So now only criminals have nukes.

Plus Obama wants to take away the enriched uranium.
 
2012-07-31 02:11:37 PM  

Dynascape: JohnAnnArbor: Dynascape: sobernutz: jshine: sobernutz: Is the U.S. going to sanction the shiat out of them? Are we going to "bomb them back into the stone age"?

Meh, did that already.

/...and with nukes

Don't forget the fire bombing raids also.

...which actually caused MORE deaths than the nuclear attacks, given that Nagasaki is in a valley and the blast was somewhat shielded by a number of hills.

They missed the aim point on that one by miles.

That reminds me.. I should go to the Air Force Museum this weekend.

They have Boxscar there on display.


That place just keeps expanding. It's amazing.
 
2012-07-31 02:11:47 PM  
I'm not worried as they will never get out of the testing phase.

The first time they set of those those puppies off, Godzilla will show up and wreck their shiat.
 
2012-07-31 02:12:00 PM  

Bruxellensis: WarpZone: [27.media.tumblr.com image 348x453]

Win.


Who is that?
 
2012-07-31 02:12:41 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: Dynascape: JohnAnnArbor: Dynascape: sobernutz: jshine: sobernutz: Is the U.S. going to sanction the shiat out of them? Are we going to "bomb them back into the stone age"?

Meh, did that already.

/...and with nukes

Don't forget the fire bombing raids also.

...which actually caused MORE deaths than the nuclear attacks, given that Nagasaki is in a valley and the blast was somewhat shielded by a number of hills.

They missed the aim point on that one by miles.

That reminds me.. I should go to the Air Force Museum this weekend.

They have Boxscar there on display.

That place just keeps expanding. It's amazing.


I live like 3 blocks away... you'd shiat if you saw the stuff that flies over my house on occasion.

Lately there have been quite a few AC-130 gunships. Even from a few thousand feet you can make out the 40mm Bofors.
 
2012-07-31 02:13:21 PM  

opiumpoopy: gopher321: Pro-bomb voices=nutty fringe groups

The people/politicians are just saying that they shouldn't discard nuclear power as it shows other countries that they CAN build nukes...but choose not to.

If any country absolutely abhors nuclear bombs, it's Japan.

So the plutonium they've been collecting for 40 years is all peaceful, kind plutonium?


As long as they don't process it, then yes. It takes a fair amount of work (involving some very nasty chemicals and producing unpleasant waste) to get the plutonium out of the spent fuel and into a usable form. ...and it must be done in such a way that you end up with isotopically pure Pu-239. If you leave too much Pu-238 in your Pu-239, you'll get a premature low-yield detonation.
 
2012-07-31 02:14:21 PM  
So all of that "anti nuclear weapon" sentiment was more butthurt than principle? Got it.
 
2012-07-31 02:14:32 PM  
A great lil movie.

Link
 
2012-07-31 02:17:25 PM  
i1121.photobucket.com

I say we impose sanctions immediately.
 
2012-07-31 02:18:06 PM  

Dynascape: JohnAnnArbor: Dynascape: JohnAnnArbor: Dynascape: sobernutz: jshine: sobernutz: Is the U.S. going to sanction the shiat out of them? Are we going to "bomb them back into the stone age"?

Meh, did that already.

/...and with nukes

Don't forget the fire bombing raids also.

...which actually caused MORE deaths than the nuclear attacks, given that Nagasaki is in a valley and the blast was somewhat shielded by a number of hills.

They missed the aim point on that one by miles.

That reminds me.. I should go to the Air Force Museum this weekend.

They have Boxscar there on display.

That place just keeps expanding. It's amazing.

I live like 3 blocks away... you'd shiat if you saw the stuff that flies over my house on occasion.

Lately there have been quite a few AC-130 gunships. Even from a few thousand feet you can make out the 40mm Bofors.


We don't see cool stuff like that much up this way.
 
2012-07-31 02:18:59 PM  

s1ugg0: That book wasn't that interesting.


Wasn't that the one where a Japanese commercial pilot crashes a 747 into a joint session of Congress, because honor is why, so that Tom Clancy's author-insertion character can become president and show those slimy libruls what for once and for all? And meanwhile there's also a biological weapon and domestic truck-bombers running wild, plus a librul government librul?

If that's the one I'm thinking of, I have to say it was an interesting book, because that's what got us six post-9/11 months of his adorable little mug over the Fox News chyron that read

TOM CLANCY • TERRORISM EXPERT
srsly u guys he totally called this

 
2012-07-31 02:19:48 PM  

Diogenes: What's Maynard have to do with this?


Came here to ask this.
 
2012-07-31 02:20:50 PM  
have they not learned from all the japanese movies and anime? every time they go nuclear, they literally go nuclear.

And monster Island can't save them.
 
2012-07-31 02:22:56 PM  

H31N0US: Bruxellensis: WarpZone: [27.media.tumblr.com image 348x453]

Win.

Who is that?


Paz Lenchantin
 
2012-07-31 02:29:13 PM  
Big deal. It's not like they killed someone. It's not like they drove a spiteful spear into his side.
 
2012-07-31 02:31:41 PM  

Bruxellensis: H31N0US: Bruxellensis: WarpZone: [27.media.tumblr.com image 348x453]

Win.

Who is that?

Paz Lenchantin


Thanks.
 
2012-07-31 02:32:54 PM  
Nukes built in Japan?

Smaller
Better
Cheaper
Will have tentacles and odd pastel color combinations

/so what's not to like?
 
2012-07-31 02:33:39 PM  

AnkhX10.0: I thought there was a new album. Fark you subby :(


Meh. If we were talking about getting excited for a new but nonexistent Tool album there would be something to get fired up about.

/The bogeymen are coming
 
2012-07-31 02:34:35 PM  
Hold on, I thought that since WWII Japan wasn't allowed to have their own military. Isn't the US effectively Japan's military?

How could they then create an atomic bomb on their own?
 
2012-07-31 02:41:25 PM  

H31N0US: Bruxellensis: H31N0US: Bruxellensis: WarpZone: [27.media.tumblr.com image 348x453]

Win.

Who is that?

Paz Lenchantin

Thanks.


np
 
2012-07-31 02:45:53 PM  

Jubeebee: Rusty Shackleford: You've got nothing to worry about until they start talking about feeling "encircled" by America.

The USA would be perfectly fine with Japan developing nukes.

China would flip right the fark out, though.


I'm sure the Norks wouldn't be too pleased, either.
 
2012-07-31 02:48:13 PM  
Would NK actually nuke someone just because the other guy didn't have nuclear weapons?
 
2012-07-31 02:52:40 PM  

MindStalker: Hold on, I thought that since WWII Japan wasn't allowed to have their own military. Isn't the US effectively Japan's military?


They have their own Self Defense Forces, which have military equipment. They're only supposed to be used defensively (hence the name), and are technically "police", per Article 9 of their constitution. Acquiring nuclear weapons would probably require a constitutional amendment, barring a really big judicial stretch of interpretation.
 
2012-07-31 02:52:46 PM  

pdkl95: Japan wants the bomb?
Who's next?


Came for Tom, leaving satisfied
 
2012-07-31 02:53:27 PM  

images.thegauntlet.com
Unimpressed

 
2012-07-31 02:57:48 PM  

vodka: Would NK actually nuke someone just because the other guy didn't have nuclear weapons?


They're insane, is the problem.
 
2012-07-31 03:14:40 PM  

umad: AnkhX10.0: I thought there was a new album. Fark you subby :(

Meh. If we were talking about getting excited for a new but nonexistent Tool album there would be something to get fired up about.

/The bogeymen are coming



I would be happy with either. Unless APC does that crap they did with Emotive. That whole CD was a load of crap. I could't make it through 3 songs. Clearly they ran out of ideas.

//If you choose to pull the trigger, should your drama prove sincere... Do it somewhere FAR AWAY from here!!
 
2012-07-31 03:17:30 PM  
Stupid debate. If Japan has 150kg of separated plutonium, their technology level is such that they could build several Nagasaki-grade bombs, with considerable upgrade in the electronics, tritium boosting, etc.

Having nuclear weapons is a deterrent. Advertising or boasting both an ability and even conditional willingness to make nuclear weapons is not a deterrent, it's making yourself a target. See Iran and Best Korea

Article say 150 tons of separated Pu? No way
 
2012-07-31 03:18:08 PM  

Hector Remarkable: I think I speak for all the Japanese when I say, nuke the world, nuke 'em all - get the bastards all back for 1945.


the day the morans around the world nuke us all back into the stone age i'll be a happy guy.
 
2012-07-31 03:22:45 PM  

durbnpoisn: I would be happy with either. Unless APC does that crap they did with Emotive. That whole CD was a load of crap.


I liked "Passive". "Freedom of Choice" was ok. Don't recall liking anything else.
 
2012-07-31 03:26:07 PM  

durbnpoisn: umad: AnkhX10.0: I thought there was a new album. Fark you subby :(

Meh. If we were talking about getting excited for a new but nonexistent Tool album there would be something to get fired up about.

/The bogeymen are coming


I would be happy with either. Unless APC does that crap they did with Emotive. That whole CD was a load of crap. I could't make it through 3 songs. Clearly they ran out of ideas.

//If you choose to pull the trigger, should your drama prove sincere... Do it somewhere FAR AWAY from here!!


I have to agree there. Puscifer was better than Emotive.
 
2012-07-31 03:29:37 PM  
Correction to my previous: Japan does have many tons of separated plutonium. Not weapons-grade, though.
 
2012-07-31 03:30:48 PM  
Hey, come on... You guys aren't still mad about that, are you? The whole flattening metropoli and generations of cancer thing? Seems like a couple decades of us worshiping the temple of Toyota would have taken care of all that.
 
2012-07-31 03:31:54 PM  
Big deal. Call me when Japan develops radiation-eating nanomachines, Jigabatchi AV helicopters, and Tachykomas.
 
2012-07-31 03:34:00 PM  
Japan is already moving in the direction of baby carriers and the sea control ship concept. The Osumi LST could operate F-35s with some modification and is clearly designed to give the navy some experience operating big deck ships. The Japanese rearming and they're doing weapons designed to inter operate with American weapons and it is all pointed at China.

/they even wanted to buy F-22s
//should have let them, they excel at tweaking out that last 10% of performance problems
/wanders off to yell at the DENSO resident
 
2012-07-31 03:47:16 PM  

umad: durbnpoisn: umad: AnkhX10.0: I thought there was a new album. Fark you subby :(

Meh. If we were talking about getting excited for a new but nonexistent Tool album there would be something to get fired up about.

/The bogeymen are coming


I would be happy with either. Unless APC does that crap they did with Emotive. That whole CD was a load of crap. I could't make it through 3 songs. Clearly they ran out of ideas.

//If you choose to pull the trigger, should your drama prove sincere... Do it somewhere FAR AWAY from here!!

I have to agree there. Puscifer was better than Emotive.



I actually like Puscifer for the most part. There are only a few things I've heard that crossed into "too weird territory". I especially like that song that Milla Jovovich sang lead on.

//What do you know?
 
2012-07-31 04:01:31 PM  

Rusty Shackleford: You've got nothing to worry about until they start talking about feeling "encircled" by America.


I think this is about China and North Korea, not the USA.

Dynascape: We said that about the North Koreans too.

You know what happened? The massive program to develop nuclear weapons has only depleted further the dwindling resources in that country.

Nuclear weapons are HEAVILY resource intensive. Im curious what percentage of their GDP that the NK Nuke program wiped out. Or how many people had to starve to develop them.


No. For a country like North Korea it's a *MAJOR* project. Japan, though, has almost everything it needs already from it's civilian power program. They already reprocess, they know how to get plutonium out of the spent fuel. They know how to safely work with plutonium.

Thus, to make a bomb:

1) Build a reactor that makes it easy to change fuel rods--rods that have been left in the reactor too long will produce too much Pu-240 instead of Pu-239.

2) The explosives engineering to implode it. They already have most of the knowledge as they no doubt build shaped charges for civilian use. I'm not aware of any civilian use of the precision initiation of multiple charges, though.
 
2012-07-31 04:01:47 PM  
I always just sort of assumed that Japan doesnt have nukes in the way that Israel doesnt have nukes.
 
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