If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(AP)   A Perfect Circle: Pro-bomb voices grow louder in Japan as the country considers making nuclear weapons   (hosted.ap.org) divider line 135
    More: Interesting, Japan, nuclear weapons, nuclear deterrent, Liberal Democratic Party, military technology, Democratic Party of Japan, basic law, nonproliferation  
•       •       •

5705 clicks; posted to Main » on 31 Jul 2012 at 1:34 PM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



135 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread
 
2012-07-31 09:55:06 AM
I thought they were already putting out lots of radiation.
 
2012-07-31 09:58:19 AM
Those people are just Enola Gay!
 
2012-07-31 10:00:21 AM
What's Maynard have to do with this?
 
2012-07-31 10:02:00 AM
You f*cking disappoint me.
 
2012-07-31 10:10:56 AM
You've got nothing to worry about until they start talking about feeling "encircled" by America.
 
2012-07-31 10:13:04 AM
Fine, wake up Godzilla. Serves you right.
 
2012-07-31 10:16:46 AM
ct.fra.bz
 
2012-07-31 10:24:30 AM
i212.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-31 10:26:05 AM
Fantastic. The people responsible for the nuclear plants have the melt downs during the recent eq's to show as an example to their dedication to safety.

/or something
 
2012-07-31 11:02:32 AM
The Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere will rise again!
 
2012-07-31 11:47:38 AM
Hey, those aren't the lyrics to that song.

I know because I have this record.
 
2012-07-31 01:26:43 PM

Rusty Shackleford: You've got nothing to worry about until they start talking about feeling "encircled" by America.


The USA would be perfectly fine with Japan developing nukes.

China would flip right the fark out, though.
 
2012-07-31 01:35:18 PM
I thought there was a new album. Fark you subby :(
 
2012-07-31 01:37:13 PM
I always kind of assumed they had the capability and that they may have even prepared bombs, just not assembling one completely so they can say they're nuke-weapons-free.
 
2012-07-31 01:37:13 PM
Maybe they're better off this way.
 
2012-07-31 01:39:12 PM
Everything is falling into place. Next up: Taiwan goes apeshiat.
 
2012-07-31 01:39:53 PM
Go back to sleep..
 
2012-07-31 01:40:37 PM
Counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drum...
 
2012-07-31 01:40:52 PM
Nuclear Weapons with tentacles? How's that gonna work?
 
2012-07-31 01:41:25 PM

Diogenes: What's Maynard have to do with this?


Counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums?
/go back to sleep
 
2012-07-31 01:42:13 PM

airsupport: Nuclear Weapons with tentacles? How's that gonna work?


i.ebayimg.com
 
2012-07-31 01:42:54 PM
Pro-bomb voices=nutty fringe groups

The people/politicians are just saying that they shouldn't discard nuclear power as it shows other countries that they CAN build nukes...but choose not to.

If any country absolutely abhors nuclear bombs, it's Japan.
 
2012-07-31 01:43:30 PM
Are they expecting Godzilla to rise from the Sea of Japan? That's the only enemy I can see of Japan now.
 
2012-07-31 01:43:41 PM
Difficult not to feel a little bit disappointed.
 
2012-07-31 01:43:44 PM
Nuclear weapons suck. Use them once and everybody hates you forever.
 
2012-07-31 01:44:31 PM
Hey, if the Israelis can embrace genocide, the Japanese should be able to embrace nukes.
 
2012-07-31 01:46:08 PM
i149.photobucket.com
as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced
 
2012-07-31 01:48:21 PM
N
i
c
e

H
e
a
d
l
i
n
e

S
u
b
m
i
t
t
e
r
!
 
2012-07-31 01:48:28 PM

Rev.K: You f*cking disappoint me.

 
2012-07-31 01:48:39 PM

amindtat: Difficult not to feel a little bit disappointed.


I just hope they don't feel passed over.
 
2012-07-31 01:48:48 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

That book wasn't that interesting.
 
2012-07-31 01:49:21 PM
I'm more than just a little curious how they're planning to go about making their amends to the dead

(or something)
 
2012-07-31 01:50:58 PM
Oh sure, let Japan have nukes, then the next thing you know, some radical will gain control over them and launch them towards spots in the United States as retaliation for Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Granted there wouldn't be anything left of Japan afterwards, but still.
 
2012-07-31 01:51:09 PM
I think I speak for all the Japanese when I say, nuke the world, nuke 'em all - get the bastards all back for 1945.
 
2012-07-31 01:52:01 PM
www.ex.org
Too obscure?
 
2012-07-31 01:53:00 PM

Karma Chameleon: Hey, if the Israelis can embrace genocide, the Japanese should be able to embrace nukes.


Wat? If the Israelis have done as you say, they suck at it. There's a million or so Arabs in Israel proper and millions more in the Palestinian areas. Syria's probably killed more Arabs in a year than Israel has since 1948.
 
2012-07-31 01:53:48 PM
i.imgur.com

Approves.
 
2012-07-31 01:54:29 PM
Gojiira?
 
2012-07-31 01:55:45 PM
Is the U.S. going to sanction the shiat out of them? Are we going to "bomb them back into the stone age"?
 
2012-07-31 01:56:25 PM
Pay no mind to the rabble.
 
2012-07-31 01:57:21 PM
Stupid Japs can't even say nucular correctly.
 
2012-07-31 01:58:31 PM
Japan wants the bomb?
Who's next?
 
2012-07-31 01:58:51 PM

sobernutz: Is the U.S. going to sanction the shiat out of them? Are we going to "bomb them back into the stone age"?


Meh, did that already.

/...and with nukes
 
2012-07-31 01:58:51 PM

bluorangefyre: Oh sure, let Japan have nukes, then the next thing you know, some radical will gain control over them and launch them towards spots in the United States as retaliation for Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Granted there wouldn't be anything left of Japan afterwards, but still.


We said that about the North Koreans too.

You know what happened? The massive program to develop nuclear weapons has only depleted further the dwindling resources in that country.

Nuclear weapons are HEAVILY resource intensive. Im curious what percentage of their GDP that the NK Nuke program wiped out. Or how many people had to starve to develop them.
 
2012-07-31 01:58:55 PM

s1ugg0: [upload.wikimedia.org image 175x269]

That book wasn't that interesting.



The JAL pilot did fly a plane into the capitol during the State of the Union though, causing such mass casualties among long time politicians that (in Tom Clancy's world) caused doctors and engineers to run for office.
 
2012-07-31 01:59:49 PM
I thought all uses of nuclear weapons were banned after the Antarctic Treaty of UC 0079?
 
2012-07-31 02:00:44 PM
27.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-07-31 02:00:59 PM

Dynascape: Nuclear weapons are HEAVILY resource intensive.


Depends on how much of the infrastructure you already have in place. Since Japan has a large civilian nuclear program, they may already have much of the enrichment equipment worked out (and a large stockpile of unprocessed plutonium in their reactor waste). Granted, modifications would be required -- it wouldn't be free -- but it'd be a hell of lot easier for them than it was for, say, the North Koreans.
 
2012-07-31 02:02:14 PM
My friend Judith is not too happy about this.

/Three libras something something.
 
2012-07-31 02:02:34 PM

jshine: Dynascape: Nuclear weapons are HEAVILY resource intensive.

Depends on how much of the infrastructure you already have in place. Since Japan has a large civilian nuclear program, they may already have much of the enrichment equipment worked out (and a large stockpile of unprocessed plutonium in their reactor waste). Granted, modifications would be required -- it wouldn't be free -- but it'd be a hell of lot easier for them than it was for, say, the North Koreans.


True, and any nuclear-capable state needs a "space program" to develop delivery systems for said nuclear weapons.

Plus early warning radars, protection, and a TON of other shiat.

Just seems like such a waste of money when they know the US would rape any country that messed with them.
 
2012-07-31 02:02:34 PM

jshine: sobernutz: Is the U.S. going to sanction the shiat out of them? Are we going to "bomb them back into the stone age"?

Meh, did that already.

/...and with nukes


Don't forget the fire bombing raids also.
 
2012-07-31 02:03:36 PM

Mister Horse: I thought all uses of nuclear weapons were banned after the Antarctic Treaty of UC 0079?


Lots of stuff is banned. ...but if you have nukes, who's going to complain? Besides, all rules are flexible; the real world is based on realpolitik.

/ does "sternly-worded letter" beat "nuclear bomb"?
 
2012-07-31 02:03:54 PM

sobernutz: jshine: sobernutz: Is the U.S. going to sanction the shiat out of them? Are we going to "bomb them back into the stone age"?

Meh, did that already.

/...and with nukes

Don't forget the fire bombing raids also.


...which actually caused MORE deaths than the nuclear attacks, given that Nagasaki is in a valley and the blast was somewhat shielded by a number of hills.
 
2012-07-31 02:05:41 PM

Mister Horse: I thought all uses of nuclear weapons were banned after the Antarctic Treaty of UC 0079?


They're also banned under the Great Convention.

/you got your Gundam in my Dune
 
2012-07-31 02:06:15 PM
From dehumanization to arms production, to hasten the nation towards it's destruction. Power is power, the law of the land, those living for death will die by their own hand.
 
2012-07-31 02:06:24 PM

Dynascape: True, and any nuclear-capable state needs a "space program" to develop delivery systems for said nuclear weapons.


Also already done.
 
2012-07-31 02:07:46 PM

gopher321: Pro-bomb voices=nutty fringe groups

The people/politicians are just saying that they shouldn't discard nuclear power as it shows other countries that they CAN build nukes...but choose not to.

If any country absolutely abhors nuclear bombs, it's Japan.


So the plutonium they've been collecting for 40 years is all peaceful, kind plutonium?
 
2012-07-31 02:07:57 PM

Dynascape: sobernutz: jshine: sobernutz: Is the U.S. going to sanction the shiat out of them? Are we going to "bomb them back into the stone age"?

Meh, did that already.

/...and with nukes

Don't forget the fire bombing raids also.

...which actually caused MORE deaths than the nuclear attacks, given that Nagasaki is in a valley and the blast was somewhat shielded by a number of hills.


They missed the aim point on that one by miles.
 
2012-07-31 02:08:35 PM
Besides, what does Japan need nuclear weapons for? They already have these:

www.quangtruong.net
 
2012-07-31 02:09:17 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Dynascape: sobernutz: jshine: sobernutz: Is the U.S. going to sanction the shiat out of them? Are we going to "bomb them back into the stone age"?

Meh, did that already.

/...and with nukes

Don't forget the fire bombing raids also.

...which actually caused MORE deaths than the nuclear attacks, given that Nagasaki is in a valley and the blast was somewhat shielded by a number of hills.

They missed the aim point on that one by miles.


That reminds me.. I should go to the Air Force Museum this weekend.

They have Boxscar there on display.
 
2012-07-31 02:09:24 PM

philotech: Counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drum...


I didn't know about that song until the commerical for RAGE. That's a badass song.
 
2012-07-31 02:10:09 PM

WarpZone: [27.media.tumblr.com image 348x453]


Win.
 
2012-07-31 02:10:40 PM
Japan also wants to be able to carry a concealed nuke into a bar. And what is up with all of the administrative red tape you have to go through with the IAEA. So now only criminals have nukes.

Plus Obama wants to take away the enriched uranium.
 
2012-07-31 02:11:37 PM

Dynascape: JohnAnnArbor: Dynascape: sobernutz: jshine: sobernutz: Is the U.S. going to sanction the shiat out of them? Are we going to "bomb them back into the stone age"?

Meh, did that already.

/...and with nukes

Don't forget the fire bombing raids also.

...which actually caused MORE deaths than the nuclear attacks, given that Nagasaki is in a valley and the blast was somewhat shielded by a number of hills.

They missed the aim point on that one by miles.

That reminds me.. I should go to the Air Force Museum this weekend.

They have Boxscar there on display.


That place just keeps expanding. It's amazing.
 
2012-07-31 02:11:47 PM
I'm not worried as they will never get out of the testing phase.

The first time they set of those those puppies off, Godzilla will show up and wreck their shiat.
 
2012-07-31 02:12:00 PM

Bruxellensis: WarpZone: [27.media.tumblr.com image 348x453]

Win.


Who is that?
 
2012-07-31 02:12:41 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Dynascape: JohnAnnArbor: Dynascape: sobernutz: jshine: sobernutz: Is the U.S. going to sanction the shiat out of them? Are we going to "bomb them back into the stone age"?

Meh, did that already.

/...and with nukes

Don't forget the fire bombing raids also.

...which actually caused MORE deaths than the nuclear attacks, given that Nagasaki is in a valley and the blast was somewhat shielded by a number of hills.

They missed the aim point on that one by miles.

That reminds me.. I should go to the Air Force Museum this weekend.

They have Boxscar there on display.

That place just keeps expanding. It's amazing.


I live like 3 blocks away... you'd shiat if you saw the stuff that flies over my house on occasion.

Lately there have been quite a few AC-130 gunships. Even from a few thousand feet you can make out the 40mm Bofors.
 
2012-07-31 02:13:21 PM

opiumpoopy: gopher321: Pro-bomb voices=nutty fringe groups

The people/politicians are just saying that they shouldn't discard nuclear power as it shows other countries that they CAN build nukes...but choose not to.

If any country absolutely abhors nuclear bombs, it's Japan.

So the plutonium they've been collecting for 40 years is all peaceful, kind plutonium?


As long as they don't process it, then yes. It takes a fair amount of work (involving some very nasty chemicals and producing unpleasant waste) to get the plutonium out of the spent fuel and into a usable form. ...and it must be done in such a way that you end up with isotopically pure Pu-239. If you leave too much Pu-238 in your Pu-239, you'll get a premature low-yield detonation.
 
2012-07-31 02:14:21 PM
So all of that "anti nuclear weapon" sentiment was more butthurt than principle? Got it.
 
2012-07-31 02:14:32 PM
A great lil movie.

Link
 
2012-07-31 02:17:25 PM
i1121.photobucket.com

I say we impose sanctions immediately.
 
2012-07-31 02:18:06 PM

Dynascape: JohnAnnArbor: Dynascape: JohnAnnArbor: Dynascape: sobernutz: jshine: sobernutz: Is the U.S. going to sanction the shiat out of them? Are we going to "bomb them back into the stone age"?

Meh, did that already.

/...and with nukes

Don't forget the fire bombing raids also.

...which actually caused MORE deaths than the nuclear attacks, given that Nagasaki is in a valley and the blast was somewhat shielded by a number of hills.

They missed the aim point on that one by miles.

That reminds me.. I should go to the Air Force Museum this weekend.

They have Boxscar there on display.

That place just keeps expanding. It's amazing.

I live like 3 blocks away... you'd shiat if you saw the stuff that flies over my house on occasion.

Lately there have been quite a few AC-130 gunships. Even from a few thousand feet you can make out the 40mm Bofors.


We don't see cool stuff like that much up this way.
 
2012-07-31 02:18:59 PM

s1ugg0: That book wasn't that interesting.


Wasn't that the one where a Japanese commercial pilot crashes a 747 into a joint session of Congress, because honor is why, so that Tom Clancy's author-insertion character can become president and show those slimy libruls what for once and for all? And meanwhile there's also a biological weapon and domestic truck-bombers running wild, plus a librul government librul?

If that's the one I'm thinking of, I have to say it was an interesting book, because that's what got us six post-9/11 months of his adorable little mug over the Fox News chyron that read

TOM CLANCY • TERRORISM EXPERT
srsly u guys he totally called this
 
2012-07-31 02:19:48 PM

Diogenes: What's Maynard have to do with this?


Came here to ask this.
 
2012-07-31 02:20:50 PM
have they not learned from all the japanese movies and anime? every time they go nuclear, they literally go nuclear.

And monster Island can't save them.
 
2012-07-31 02:22:56 PM

H31N0US: Bruxellensis: WarpZone: [27.media.tumblr.com image 348x453]

Win.

Who is that?


Paz Lenchantin
 
2012-07-31 02:29:13 PM
Big deal. It's not like they killed someone. It's not like they drove a spiteful spear into his side.
 
2012-07-31 02:31:41 PM

Bruxellensis: H31N0US: Bruxellensis: WarpZone: [27.media.tumblr.com image 348x453]

Win.

Who is that?

Paz Lenchantin


Thanks.
 
2012-07-31 02:32:54 PM
Nukes built in Japan?

Smaller
Better
Cheaper
Will have tentacles and odd pastel color combinations

/so what's not to like?
 
2012-07-31 02:33:39 PM

AnkhX10.0: I thought there was a new album. Fark you subby :(


Meh. If we were talking about getting excited for a new but nonexistent Tool album there would be something to get fired up about.

/The bogeymen are coming
 
2012-07-31 02:34:35 PM
Hold on, I thought that since WWII Japan wasn't allowed to have their own military. Isn't the US effectively Japan's military?

How could they then create an atomic bomb on their own?
 
2012-07-31 02:41:25 PM

H31N0US: Bruxellensis: H31N0US: Bruxellensis: WarpZone: [27.media.tumblr.com image 348x453]

Win.

Who is that?

Paz Lenchantin

Thanks.


np
 
2012-07-31 02:45:53 PM

Jubeebee: Rusty Shackleford: You've got nothing to worry about until they start talking about feeling "encircled" by America.

The USA would be perfectly fine with Japan developing nukes.

China would flip right the fark out, though.


I'm sure the Norks wouldn't be too pleased, either.
 
2012-07-31 02:48:13 PM
Would NK actually nuke someone just because the other guy didn't have nuclear weapons?
 
2012-07-31 02:52:40 PM

MindStalker: Hold on, I thought that since WWII Japan wasn't allowed to have their own military. Isn't the US effectively Japan's military?


They have their own Self Defense Forces, which have military equipment. They're only supposed to be used defensively (hence the name), and are technically "police", per Article 9 of their constitution. Acquiring nuclear weapons would probably require a constitutional amendment, barring a really big judicial stretch of interpretation.
 
2012-07-31 02:52:46 PM

pdkl95: Japan wants the bomb?
Who's next?


Came for Tom, leaving satisfied
 
2012-07-31 02:53:27 PM
images.thegauntlet.com
Unimpressed
 
2012-07-31 02:57:48 PM

vodka: Would NK actually nuke someone just because the other guy didn't have nuclear weapons?


They're insane, is the problem.
 
2012-07-31 03:14:40 PM

umad: AnkhX10.0: I thought there was a new album. Fark you subby :(

Meh. If we were talking about getting excited for a new but nonexistent Tool album there would be something to get fired up about.

/The bogeymen are coming



I would be happy with either. Unless APC does that crap they did with Emotive. That whole CD was a load of crap. I could't make it through 3 songs. Clearly they ran out of ideas.

//If you choose to pull the trigger, should your drama prove sincere... Do it somewhere FAR AWAY from here!!
 
2012-07-31 03:17:30 PM
Stupid debate. If Japan has 150kg of separated plutonium, their technology level is such that they could build several Nagasaki-grade bombs, with considerable upgrade in the electronics, tritium boosting, etc.

Having nuclear weapons is a deterrent. Advertising or boasting both an ability and even conditional willingness to make nuclear weapons is not a deterrent, it's making yourself a target. See Iran and Best Korea

Article say 150 tons of separated Pu? No way
 
2012-07-31 03:18:08 PM

Hector Remarkable: I think I speak for all the Japanese when I say, nuke the world, nuke 'em all - get the bastards all back for 1945.


the day the morans around the world nuke us all back into the stone age i'll be a happy guy.
 
2012-07-31 03:22:45 PM

durbnpoisn: I would be happy with either. Unless APC does that crap they did with Emotive. That whole CD was a load of crap.


I liked "Passive". "Freedom of Choice" was ok. Don't recall liking anything else.
 
2012-07-31 03:26:07 PM

durbnpoisn: umad: AnkhX10.0: I thought there was a new album. Fark you subby :(

Meh. If we were talking about getting excited for a new but nonexistent Tool album there would be something to get fired up about.

/The bogeymen are coming


I would be happy with either. Unless APC does that crap they did with Emotive. That whole CD was a load of crap. I could't make it through 3 songs. Clearly they ran out of ideas.

//If you choose to pull the trigger, should your drama prove sincere... Do it somewhere FAR AWAY from here!!


I have to agree there. Puscifer was better than Emotive.
 
2012-07-31 03:29:37 PM
Correction to my previous: Japan does have many tons of separated plutonium. Not weapons-grade, though.
 
2012-07-31 03:30:48 PM
Hey, come on... You guys aren't still mad about that, are you? The whole flattening metropoli and generations of cancer thing? Seems like a couple decades of us worshiping the temple of Toyota would have taken care of all that.
 
2012-07-31 03:31:54 PM
Big deal. Call me when Japan develops radiation-eating nanomachines, Jigabatchi AV helicopters, and Tachykomas.
 
2012-07-31 03:34:00 PM
Japan is already moving in the direction of baby carriers and the sea control ship concept. The Osumi LST could operate F-35s with some modification and is clearly designed to give the navy some experience operating big deck ships. The Japanese rearming and they're doing weapons designed to inter operate with American weapons and it is all pointed at China.

/they even wanted to buy F-22s
//should have let them, they excel at tweaking out that last 10% of performance problems
/wanders off to yell at the DENSO resident
 
2012-07-31 03:47:16 PM

umad: durbnpoisn: umad: AnkhX10.0: I thought there was a new album. Fark you subby :(

Meh. If we were talking about getting excited for a new but nonexistent Tool album there would be something to get fired up about.

/The bogeymen are coming


I would be happy with either. Unless APC does that crap they did with Emotive. That whole CD was a load of crap. I could't make it through 3 songs. Clearly they ran out of ideas.

//If you choose to pull the trigger, should your drama prove sincere... Do it somewhere FAR AWAY from here!!

I have to agree there. Puscifer was better than Emotive.



I actually like Puscifer for the most part. There are only a few things I've heard that crossed into "too weird territory". I especially like that song that Milla Jovovich sang lead on.

//What do you know?
 
2012-07-31 04:01:31 PM

Rusty Shackleford: You've got nothing to worry about until they start talking about feeling "encircled" by America.


I think this is about China and North Korea, not the USA.

Dynascape: We said that about the North Koreans too.

You know what happened? The massive program to develop nuclear weapons has only depleted further the dwindling resources in that country.

Nuclear weapons are HEAVILY resource intensive. Im curious what percentage of their GDP that the NK Nuke program wiped out. Or how many people had to starve to develop them.


No. For a country like North Korea it's a *MAJOR* project. Japan, though, has almost everything it needs already from it's civilian power program. They already reprocess, they know how to get plutonium out of the spent fuel. They know how to safely work with plutonium.

Thus, to make a bomb:

1) Build a reactor that makes it easy to change fuel rods--rods that have been left in the reactor too long will produce too much Pu-240 instead of Pu-239.

2) The explosives engineering to implode it. They already have most of the knowledge as they no doubt build shaped charges for civilian use. I'm not aware of any civilian use of the precision initiation of multiple charges, though.
 
2012-07-31 04:01:47 PM
I always just sort of assumed that Japan doesnt have nukes in the way that Israel doesnt have nukes.
 
2012-07-31 04:17:12 PM
Alonjar: I always just sort of assumed that Japan doesnt have nukes in the way that Israel doesnt have nukes.

Doubtful. Nuclear Weapons of any nature are grossly taboo in Japanese political and social culture, for obvious reasons.

Loren: No. For a country like North Korea it's a *MAJOR* project. Japan, though, has almost everything it needs already from it's civilian power program. They already reprocess, they know how to get plutonium out of the spent fuel. They know how to safely work with plutonium.

They're also booty-call buddies with America, on the level of Britain or Canada. I'm pretty sure that Obama/Romneybot both would be happy to help them on the technical aspects of it if it meant another deterrent to the dragon and his manged hounds in North Korea.
 
2012-07-31 04:26:31 PM

WarpZone: [27.media.tumblr.com image 348x453]


I got my sister her autographed self produced album.
 
2012-07-31 04:43:43 PM

semiotix: s1ugg0: That book wasn't that interesting.

Wasn't that the one where a Japanese commercial pilot crashes a 747 into a joint session of Congress, because honor is why, so that Tom Clancy's author-insertion character can become president and show those slimy libruls what for once and for all? And meanwhile there's also a biological weapon and domestic truck-bombers running wild, plus a librul government librul?

If that's the one I'm thinking of, I have to say it was an interesting book, because that's what got us six post-9/11 months of his adorable little mug over the Fox News chyron that read

TOM CLANCY • TERRORISM EXPERT
srsly u guys he totally called this


Eh, it's the same crowd where Michael Crichton passes as a climate expert.

/Red Storm Rising was just about Clancy's peak for me
 
2012-07-31 04:44:46 PM

MindStalker: Hold on, I thought that since WWII Japan wasn't allowed to have their own military. Isn't the US effectively Japan's military?

How could they then create an atomic bomb on their own?


They'd only have defensive nukes :)
 
2012-07-31 04:45:25 PM

sobernutz: A great lil movie.

Link


Concur.
 
2012-07-31 04:58:11 PM

semiotix: s1ugg0: That book wasn't that interesting.

Wasn't that the one where a Japanese commercial pilot crashes a 747 into a joint session of Congress, because honor is why, so that Tom Clancy's author-insertion character can become president and show those slimy libruls what for once and for all? And meanwhile there's also a biological weapon and domestic truck-bombers running wild, plus a librul government librul?

If that's the one I'm thinking of, I have to say it was an interesting book, because that's what got us six post-9/11 months of his adorable little mug over the Fox News chyron that read

TOM CLANCY • TERRORISM EXPERT
srsly u guys he totally called this


I think the biological weapon part was later on, but other than that you are spot on.

He really wasn't that bad up through Clear and Present Danger, but after that things spun out of control quickly.

Red Storm Rising, Cardinal of the Kremlin, The Hunt for Red October and Clear and Present Danger were all good-great for the genre. I think the book after that was where he nuked Denver and he started to come unhinged. I read up through the one where Russia fights China. I distinctly remember setting it down and swearing I'd never read anything new by the guy ever again.
 
2012-07-31 05:02:43 PM
The more close U.S. allies able to provide for their own defense the better.
 
2012-07-31 05:31:14 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Red Storm Rising, Cardinal of the Kremlin, The Hunt for Red October and Clear and Present Danger were all good-great for the genre. I think the book after that was where he nuked Denver and he started to come unhinged. I read up through the one where Russia fights China. I distinctly remember setting it down and swearing I'd never read anything new by the guy ever again.


As republicans age their derp becomes more and more pronounced until it blooms into full blown Dementia. Its the way of nature, beautiful in its own way really.
 
2012-07-31 05:32:37 PM
Japan -0-
USA 2

/done
 
2012-07-31 05:38:57 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Red Storm Rising, Cardinal of the Kremlin, The Hunt for Red October and Clear and Present Danger were all good-great for the genre.


Those four were the ones I liked too. After that there were too many author insertion fantasies, personal politics, and tough-guy machismo. I kept going all the way through Executive Orders based on my like of the first four books, and finally gave up.
 
2012-07-31 05:45:32 PM

orclover: Shrugging Atlas: Red Storm Rising, Cardinal of the Kremlin, The Hunt for Red October and Clear and Present Danger were all good-great for the genre. I think the book after that was where he nuked Denver and he started to come unhinged. I read up through the one where Russia fights China. I distinctly remember setting it down and swearing I'd never read anything new by the guy ever again.

As republicans age their derp becomes more and more pronounced until it blooms into full blown Dementia. Its the way of nature, beautiful in its own way really.


The Washington Post Magazine did a great hatchet job on him in 1993, "The Sum of All Cliches". It contained a quote by Clancy, "If $120,000 a year is the best job you've ever had, you
haven't really done very much", among other gems. The interview made it seem like he was fashioning himself into a parody of his own conservative idols.
 
2012-07-31 05:51:59 PM
If Japan gets nukes, how long will it be until they get Mobile Suits?

Is the world really prepared for the Minovsky particle?
 
2012-07-31 05:59:30 PM
Doesnt this mean that the US has to invade them now?
 
2012-07-31 06:08:00 PM
Well, should they choose to pull the trigger, should their drama prove sincere, I hope they do it somewhere far away from here.

/I want to thank whoever posted the Paz photo
//that woman is yummy
 
2012-07-31 06:20:22 PM

ThreadSinger: If Japan gets nukes, how long will it be until they get Mobile Suits?

Is the world really prepared for the Minovsky particle?


Their souls will still be weighed down by gravity.

First we need some Island 3 colonies constructed and oppressed by the Earthnoids.
 
2012-07-31 06:21:35 PM
ThreadSinger: If Japan gets nukes, how long will it be until they get Mobile Suits?

Is the world really prepared for the Minovsky particle?


First comes the Minovsky Particle, then the mobile suit.

The Mobile Suit wouldn't be a viable weapon in the UC Gundam-verse without the minovsky particle, in fact. It's a deus ex machina which eliminates any type of radio-guided or self-guided weaponry.

PunGent: MindStalker: Hold on, I thought that since WWII Japan wasn't allowed to have their own military. Isn't the US effectively Japan's military?

How could they then create an atomic bomb on their own?

They'd only have defensive nukes :)


Uh, no. The JSDF is a modern, first world army. The only issue limiting them from acting as a true military power is the US-placed restrictions in their constitution thanks to the Japanese imperialism before and during WWII. And there are a lot of Japanese who want to get rid of that.

Hell. Their actions in Afghanistan and Iraq were unprecedented since World War II.
 
2012-07-31 06:31:10 PM

BronyMedic: ThreadSinger: If Japan gets nukes, how long will it be until they get Mobile Suits?

Is the world really prepared for the Minovsky particle?

First comes the Minovsky Particle, then the mobile suit.

The Mobile Suit wouldn't be a viable weapon in the UC Gundam-verse without the minovsky particle, in fact. It's a deus ex machina which eliminates any type of radio-guided or self-guided weaponry.


We should be scared if Hajime Katoki is appointed to any sort of position within their defense ministry.
 
2012-07-31 06:46:37 PM
But as Japan weighs whether to phase out nuclear power, some conservatives, including some influential politicians and thinkers

Some Japanese conservatives also downplay the holocaust and deny Japan's war crimes in WW2, but they don't speak for their country.
The civilized world manages to control their wacky paranoid conservatives, and Japan is not an exception.

If the rest of the world took our (USA's) conservatives seriously we wouldn't have any allies left, and instead of a drought we'd have nuclear winter.
 
2012-07-31 06:55:23 PM

Ambitwistor: orclover: Shrugging Atlas: Red Storm Rising, Cardinal of the Kremlin, The Hunt for Red October and Clear and Present Danger were all good-great for the genre. I think the book after that was where he nuked Denver and he started to come unhinged. I read up through the one where Russia fights China. I distinctly remember setting it down and swearing I'd never read anything new by the guy ever again.

As republicans age their derp becomes more and more pronounced until it blooms into full blown Dementia. Its the way of nature, beautiful in its own way really.

The Washington Post Magazine did a great hatchet job on him in 1993, "The Sum of All Cliches". It contained a quote by Clancy, "If $120,000 a year is the best job you've ever had, you haven't really done very much", among other gems. The interview made it seem like he was fashioning himself into a parody of his own conservative idols.


I actually believe he had to have suffered some sort of...I don't know...breakdown or something. When he started out he was a humble dude, his writing was solid and really not at all laced with some sort of heavy political message one way or another. Red October, Red Storm, Clear and Present Danger all still hold up well even today despite the dated subject matter.

But somewhere in the early-mid 90s he just came unhinged. Sum of All Fears had a few elements of it in 1991 but then he didn't churn out anything until Debt of Honor five years later which was just laden with craziness and it just kept getting worse and worse. I remember cringing at Rainbow Six for all the cliches and right wing fantasy stuff in it...just awful. That one had the "eco-terrorists" out to kill all humanity to save the planet while they lived their lives out in bunkers somewhere if I recall. At the same time he kicked his wife of nearly 30 years to the curb.

Maybe it's all as simple as some guy with humble roots just becoming too full of himself with all the fame and money.
 
2012-07-31 06:58:57 PM

Dynascape: bluorangefyre: Oh sure, let Japan have nukes, then the next thing you know, some radical will gain control over them and launch them towards spots in the United States as retaliation for Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Granted there wouldn't be anything left of Japan afterwards, but still.

We said that about the North Koreans too.

You know what happened? The massive program to develop nuclear weapons has only depleted further the dwindling resources in that country.

Nuclear weapons are HEAVILY resource intensive. Im curious what percentage of their GDP that the NK Nuke program wiped out. Or how many people had to starve to develop them.


Not to mention their space program. Neither one worked.

Those NK "nuclear" tests were fizzles. Underground very-low-yield tests (less than 1kt?) in mineshafts? Best Korea didn't have a viable weapon and they knew it, they either hedged their bet and did it underground for deniability, or just crammed a mineshaft with explosives and radiological byproducts and hope we bought it.

A few million Koreans probably starved for those failures. From the look of things, Kim Jong Un probably ate some of the victims himself.

Best Korean nuclear warheads are as reliable as their orbital launch vehicles. . .thankfully.
 
2012-07-31 07:27:08 PM

Dynascape: Besides, what does Japan need nuclear weapons for? They already have these:

[www.quangtruong.net image 400x300]


Perhaps they can build bigger ones if they are nuclear powered.
 
2012-07-31 07:35:28 PM
My guess is that Japan already has a metric assload of undeclared nukes.

Link

static.guim.co.uk

Japan has a wheely short memory....but by all means, poison your population and become a target for other countries.
 
2012-07-31 08:09:43 PM

DisregardTheFollowing: Diogenes: What's Maynard have to do with this?

Counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums?
/go back to sleep


Ill be the one to protect you from pain and truth and choice and other poison devils
 
2012-07-31 08:10:21 PM
"Everybody chill the fark out. I got this."

www.foreignpolicy.com
2.bp.blogspot.com

/China. Saving America's Arse since 1997.
 
2012-07-31 08:28:46 PM
The extreme Right in Japan are a bit unhinged. They look back on the Imperial Japanese Empire as the apex of their country rather than some extreme shiat that go them nuked... twice. Pretty much on par with extreme Muslims or Christians who want their religion running the show whilst ignoring the 1000+ years of strife they already caused.

People with closed minds don't learn from anything, let alone history.
 
2012-07-31 08:52:27 PM
jacketupload.macmillanusa.com

/Obscure?
 
2012-07-31 08:59:12 PM

Alonjar: I always just sort of assumed that Japan doesnt have nukes in the way that Israel doesnt have nukes.


Yeah, basically I translate the "We're discussing the option" bit as "We've had 'em for twenty years, the question is whether we install them in huge robotic squid or an army of giant samurai robots and how much dough it's gonna cost us to commission a couple hundred swordsmiths to make the giant katana's these suckers are gonna be armed with."
 
2012-07-31 09:26:39 PM

cynicalbastard: Alonjar: I always just sort of assumed that Japan doesnt have nukes in the way that Israel doesnt have nukes.

Yeah, basically I translate the "We're discussing the option" bit as "We've had 'em for twenty years, the question is whether we install them in huge robotic squid or an army of giant samurai robots and how much dough it's gonna cost us to commission a couple hundred swordsmiths to make the giant katana's these suckers are gonna be armed with."


If the Japanese were really smart, they'd forget about the giant samurai robots and just go with an army of sexy, fembot shaped WMDs with skirts so short their little pantied bottoms peek out from underneath and their heaving, voluptuous breasts can barely be contained by the two-sizes-too-small button up cotton shirt and sheer lace bras as they writhe about in our front lawn water sprinklers....and, I'm sorry, I forgot what I was talking about.
 
2012-07-31 10:11:29 PM

JonathanChance: [jacketupload.macmillanusa.com image 379x648]

/Obscure?


Not to me. Picked that book up for a dollar years ago. Not bad.
 
2012-07-31 10:58:19 PM

JonathanChance: [jacketupload.macmillanusa.com image 379x648]

/Obscure?


Coonts?
 
2012-07-31 11:49:51 PM

Silverstaff: Dynascape: bluorangefyre: Oh sure, let Japan have nukes, then the next thing you know, some radical will gain control over them and launch them towards spots in the United States as retaliation for Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Granted there wouldn't be anything left of Japan afterwards, but still.

We said that about the North Koreans too.

You know what happened? The massive program to develop nuclear weapons has only depleted further the dwindling resources in that country.

Nuclear weapons are HEAVILY resource intensive. Im curious what percentage of their GDP that the NK Nuke program wiped out. Or how many people had to starve to develop them.

Not to mention their space program. Neither one worked.

Those NK "nuclear" tests were fizzles. Underground very-low-yield tests (less than 1kt?) in mineshafts? Best Korea didn't have a viable weapon and they knew it, they either hedged their bet and did it underground for deniability, or just crammed a mineshaft with explosives and radiological byproducts and hope we bought it.

A few million Koreans probably starved for those failures. From the look of things, Kim Jong Un probably ate some of the victims himself.

Best Korean nuclear warheads are as reliable as their orbital launch vehicles. . .thankfully.


I wouldn't bet the store on it.

They have no limit on opportunity to test the conventional explosives using inert natural or depleted uranium cores.

Those test results are just about what you would expect in a tritium-boosted device without the tritium installed. Identical to a failure to boost, of course.
 
2012-08-01 12:07:54 AM
How about "no?"
 
2012-08-01 01:25:34 AM

BongSire TurgidGoebbels: [images.thegauntlet.com image 425x289]
Unimpressed


/came here for this
 
2012-08-01 08:49:47 AM
There is no nation in the world that I would currently trust with nuclear weapons; not even my own. That some currently have them anyway is an unfortunate reality that has to be dealt with as it comes, but preventing their further spread is of critical importance while we work on drawing down those that currently exist.

There are two nations that I would come somewhat closer to trusting than others -the only one to know what it means to have one dropped on them and the only one to know what it means to have done such a thing- but both still have plenty of other issues that prevent me from trusting even them. It is obviously too late to prevent the second from getting nuclear weapons, but for the first reason I would be somewhat less alarmed for Japan to get the bomb than I would be for most other nations. Still alarmed, though; those nations that continue to try to develop them by the very act of such development prove that they should not be trusted.
 
2012-08-01 04:24:55 PM

BronyMedic: ThreadSinger: If Japan gets nukes, how long will it be until they get Mobile Suits?

Is the world really prepared for the Minovsky particle?

First comes the Minovsky Particle, then the mobile suit.

The Mobile Suit wouldn't be a viable weapon in the UC Gundam-verse without the minovsky particle, in fact. It's a deus ex machina which eliminates any type of radio-guided or self-guided weaponry.

PunGent: MindStalker: Hold on, I thought that since WWII Japan wasn't allowed to have their own military. Isn't the US effectively Japan's military?

How could they then create an atomic bomb on their own?

They'd only have defensive nukes :)

Uh, no. The JSDF is a modern, first world army. The only issue limiting them from acting as a true military power is the US-placed restrictions in their constitution thanks to the Japanese imperialism before and during WWII. And there are a lot of Japanese who want to get rid of that.

Hell. Their actions in Afghanistan and Iraq were unprecedented since World War II.


Dude, yer harshing my snark. :)

I know that, I was just amused by the idea of defensive nukes.

Of course, as deterrents, you can argue most nukes are defensive, I suppose...
 
Displayed 135 of 135 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report