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2012-07-31 03:53:30 PM

Cupajo: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: What? No, no there is not any instances of that kind of thing. A background check takes a quick five minute phone call. There is no reason a dealer, who makes his living selling firearms, is going to risk losing his license because he can't be bothered to make the required phone call.

No instances? That's a bold claim. I have personally witnessed cash-4-guns transactions in the parking lot behind a gun show a crime taking place twice in the last year.

 
2012-07-31 03:54:02 PM

Pathman: Cupajo: Pull out the title and registration and give it a once-over. The government (the collective "we" I was referring to) regulates your car.
Try selling your car out of your front yard. It's gonna require a trip downtown to the county clerk. Regulation.
Want to actually drive that car on the roads? You'll need insurance for that. Liability, at least. Regulation.

Guns, on the other hand, can be purchased at any gun show in the country without so much as a "you're not a felon, are you?"

yeah - i don't know where you're buying your guns, but you're not buying them legally.
you can't just sell your firearm out in your front yard either.

i have no doubt that people do it - but they're not doing it legally.
i have no problem with government enforcing the law.


You are entirely wrong. Citizens can legally sell weapons to other citizens without any form of background check. Only dealers are required to do this. If you saw a private sale happen at a gun show, it was two private citizens making the transaction, and not a dealer.
 
2012-07-31 03:57:33 PM

Cupajo: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: What? No, no there is not any instances of that kind of thing. A background check takes a quick five minute phone call. There is no reason a dealer, who makes his living selling firearms, is going to risk losing his license because he can't be bothered to make the required phone call.

No instances? That's a bold claim. I have personally witnessed cash-4-guns transactions in the parking lot behind a gun show twice in the last year.


Did you call the authorities?
 
2012-07-31 04:00:59 PM

Dimensio:
Both devices are strapped around my waist. I have, thus far, never required use of either device. The comparison, while not perfect, does seem appropriate.


No, it doesn't. One belt is made to carry a device that is designed to kill a person. The other is made to save a person's life in case the vehicle crashes.

What is it with these morans that try ato equate the people killed in automobile accidents with the number of people killed by other people with guns? One set of data is accidental (as in "not on purpose") and the other is "on purpose" (as in "I'm going to kill you... for effect"). The two have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
"Maybe we should outlaw cars then DURRRR!" WTF?
 
2012-07-31 04:01:06 PM

gadian: Dimensio: You have not demonstrated that carrying a firearm daily constitutes an admission of fear.

In that particular example, the guy admits to having a gun every time he answers the door and every time he leaves his house. Because he once had a gun pointed at him in a robbery. Now, he says, he's not afraid because he always has his gun with him. This means that he is afraid every time he doesn't have his gun with him and that he carries the gun to not be afraid. This is his admission of fear.

It also makes him terribly, terribly dangerous. His gun magically protects him and makes him fearful of nothing. An over confident guy with a gun who worries about having another gun pointed at him ever, ever again is likely to assess situations much differently and to see guns as much more prevalent than they are. That guy was holding a gun! No, he was holding a soda bottle, you think it's a gun because you would be holding your gun if you were him. The above poster is dangerous and needs therapy, not a firearm.


A sample size of one is insufficient to demonstrate a universally applicable motive.
 
2012-07-31 04:04:59 PM

Alonjar: Pathman: Cupajo: Pull out the title and registration and give it a once-over. The government (the collective "we" I was referring to) regulates your car.
Try selling your car out of your front yard. It's gonna require a trip downtown to the county clerk. Regulation.
Want to actually drive that car on the roads? You'll need insurance for that. Liability, at least. Regulation.

Guns, on the other hand, can be purchased at any gun show in the country without so much as a "you're not a felon, are you?"

yeah - i don't know where you're buying your guns, but you're not buying them legally.
you can't just sell your firearm out in your front yard either.

i have no doubt that people do it - but they're not doing it legally.
i have no problem with government enforcing the law.

You are entirely wrong. Citizens can legally sell weapons to other citizens without any form of background check. Only dealers are required to do this. If you saw a private sale happen at a gun show, it was two private citizens making the transaction, and not a dealer.


I thought you could only sell a long gun in to someone in your state of residence only?
 
2012-07-31 04:09:39 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Cupajo: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: What? No, no there is not any instances of that kind of thing. A background check takes a quick five minute phone call. There is no reason a dealer, who makes his living selling firearms, is going to risk losing his license because he can't be bothered to make the required phone call.

No instances? That's a bold claim. I have personally witnessed cash-4-guns transactions in the parking lot behind a gun show twice in the last year.

Did you call the authorities?


I did the first time. I was informed that it was "probably just a transaction between two gun-show attendees" even though I told the officer on the phone that the seller was in the process of carting 10 or 12 plastic cases from the convention center to his truck at the time. Seems strange that someone would go to browse at a gun show with a dozen cases of firearms in tow.
 
2012-07-31 04:10:41 PM

xanadian: RexTalionis: More and more of these nutjobs everyday and they always seem to be from Florida.

It's the heat. It addles their brains.


Would explain the needed Arizona tag..although, why no Nevada tag? You wanna see a place that bakes peoples brains inside their skulls...I personally have lost at least 6 IQ points that I couldn't afford to lose just from living there three years.
 
2012-07-31 04:11:06 PM

rewind2846: Dimensio:
Both devices are strapped around my waist. I have, thus far, never required use of either device. The comparison, while not perfect, does seem appropriate.

No, it doesn't. One belt is made to carry a device that is designed to kill a person. The other is made to save a person's life in case the vehicle crashes.

What is it with these morans that try ato equate the people killed in automobile accidents with the number of people killed by other people with guns? One set of data is accidental (as in "not on purpose") and the other is "on purpose" (as in "I'm going to kill you... for effect"). The two have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
"Maybe we should outlaw cars then DURRRR!" WTF?


ZWell, driving is only a privilege.
 
2012-07-31 04:11:23 PM

Cupajo: No instances? That's a bold claim. I have personally witnessed cash-4-guns transactions in the parking lot behind a gun show twice in the last year.


A purchase between two private individuals is perfectly legal. If the seller was a licensed dealer, however, they're required to do the background check. For your anecdote to hold any water whatsoever, here's what you'll need to demonstrate:

1 - that one of the parties was an actual licensed dealer.
2 - that no background check was actually made (remember, they could've called earlier and documented everything and just received payment then).
3 - was no receipt actually issued? Did you confirm this?

And, if you saw a felony being committed, why wouldn't you actually call someone to put a stop to it? That'd make the newswires rather quickly if you could demonstrate that dealers were breaking the law, especially since many idiots happily believe the "gun show loophole" nonsense.
 
2012-07-31 04:12:55 PM

Cupajo: I did the first time. I was informed that it was "probably just a transaction between two gun-show attendees" even though I told the officer on the phone that the seller was in the process of carting 10 or 12 plastic cases from the convention center to his truck at the time. Seems strange that someone would go to browse at a gun show with a dozen cases of firearms in tow.


Oooookay.
 
2012-07-31 04:13:56 PM
We don't have a gun law problem..we have mental health law problem. There once was a time when a nutjob like this would've been visited by the guys in white suits with butterfly nets and hauled off to the loony bin before he could do any damage. Today, it is virtually impossible to have someone forcibly committed unless they state they are going to kill people (and mean it). Thank you O'Connor v. Donaldson.
 
2012-07-31 04:15:26 PM

Pathman:

I thought you could only sell a long gun in to someone in your state of residence only?


The laws vary from state to state, but in the ones Ive lived its any weapon. You may be required to both be a resident of the same state, im not sure, Ive never had to deal with out of state residents (and wouldnt, due to the increased risk of them being criminals).
 
2012-07-31 04:22:25 PM

Alonjar: Pathman:

I thought you could only sell a long gun in to someone in your state of residence only?

The laws vary from state to state, but in the ones Ive lived its any weapon. You may be required to both be a resident of the same state, im not sure, Ive never had to deal with out of state residents (and wouldnt, due to the increased risk of them being criminals).


interesting. i only own long guns - one i bought locally from a FFL dealer (that required a background check) and another from out of state which required transfer to a FFL dealer here and then another background check.
 
2012-07-31 04:46:49 PM

czei: "Roop said he was still in fear and thought Rainey was reaching for something, so he shot Rainey once more in the back of the head, "for effect," the report said."

That is chilling. Can you imagine shooting someone in the back of the head "for effect"?


The moron corrupted a military term. "Fire for effect," is the command given at the weapons range during qualification to let soldiers know to start firing at the popup targets. This twatwaffle took it as, "shoot to kill, " an unarmed innocent man.
 
2012-07-31 05:07:15 PM

ArmyWarVet: czei: "Roop said he was still in fear and thought Rainey was reaching for something, so he shot Rainey once more in the back of the head, "for effect," the report said."

That is chilling. Can you imagine shooting someone in the back of the head "for effect"?

The moron corrupted a military term. "Fire for effect," is the command given at the weapons range during qualification to let soldiers know to start firing at the popup targets. This twatwaffle took it as, "shoot to kill, " an unarmed innocent man.


Or that the artillery is now on target and it's time for the real killing to begin.
 
2012-07-31 05:16:45 PM
This guy sounds a lot like your average Fark gun nut. I can hear them now: "If this guy doesn't have the freedom to shoot people who step foot on his property, then we might as well be living in Nazi Germany."
 
2012-07-31 05:18:03 PM
This happened near here and the News-Press has had several stories about this. There is no doubt that this is murder plain and simple.
 
2012-07-31 05:30:19 PM

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: This guy sounds a lot like your average Fark gun nut. I can hear them now: "If this guy doesn't have the freedom to shoot people who step foot on his property, then we might as well be living in Nazi Germany."


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2012-07-31 05:32:50 PM

6655321: Why is it that these shooters believe that other people's lives are meaningless but their's are sacred?



Republicans?
 
2012-07-31 05:42:56 PM

Captain_Ballbeard: 6655321: Why is it that these shooters believe that other people's lives are meaningless but their's are sacred?


Republicans?


-1 for poor attempt at trolling.

/extreme narcissism would be my answer to the question.
 
2012-07-31 05:51:07 PM

6655321: Why is it that these shooters believe that other people's lives are meaningless but their's are sacred?
I have no problem if the nutjobs pop themselves, as long as no one else is endangered.


www.theringlord.org
 
2012-07-31 06:10:13 PM

Click Click D'oh: gilgigamesh: What do, NRA goons?

What, you honestly think the NRA condones executing unarmed and wounded people laying on the ground?

Really?

Is that all you guys can do these days, yell NRA BAD NRA BAD NRA BAAAA! BAAAA!


Mentally unstable people execute the unarmed and wounded. The NRA attempts to block all legislation which would stop mentally unstable people from getting guns, such as mandatory background checks, even for private party/gun show sales.

If the NRA doesn't condone the behavior, it at best considers the victim collateral damage in the NRA's campaign for unfettered access to firearms.
 
2012-07-31 07:17:06 PM
Why the hell do we have guns???

I own two guns, but I never EVER carry them. Even when I've found myself in sticky situations, I've never wished I had a gun. Why? So someone, possibly me, could have ended up dead?

If someone pulls a gun on me, I won't try to shoot first, I'll just give them what they want. My life is worth way more than that.
 
2012-07-31 07:36:12 PM

ghare: jbuist: gilgigamesh: What do, NRA goons?

Well...

gilgigamesh: He was tried once for threatening a meter reader with a gun, but got acquitted.

Fix that. He should have been convicted of a crime for what he did. You can't start stripping away rights from people that were acquitted.

Yeah. About that. You wouldn't have been arrested if you weren't guilty. That's why arrest records show on background checks. And anything like acquittal shows up waaaaayyyyy in the back.


I think you just found a way to solve the debt crisis. For all these years, we've been wasting tax dollars on judges, courts, and entitlements for jurors. It's going to be smooooove sailing now!
 
2012-07-31 07:47:43 PM
The people in this thread that believe a "no trespassing" sign on your lawn makes any difference to the legal situation are the same people that believe an undercover cop has to tell you the truth if you ask him.
 
2012-07-31 07:54:46 PM

rockmeamadeus: The NRA attempts to block all legislation which would stop mentally unstable people from getting guns...


That's a flat out lie.

The NRA helped create the current prohibited persons list, which includes prohibitions against persons who have been committed for mental health reasons, and has previously backed legislation designed to force states to report people committed for mental health reasons to the NCIC.

Any other lies?
 
2012-07-31 07:58:49 PM

hinten: The people in this thread that believe a "no trespassing" sign on your lawn makes any difference to the legal situation are the same people that believe an undercover cop has to tell you the truth if you ask him.


But some want to put the Ten Commandments in courthouses. Lieing is a sin. Christian nation.
 
2012-07-31 08:12:40 PM

brianbankerus: Why the hell do we have guns???

I own two guns, but I never EVER carry them. Even when I've found myself in sticky situations, I've never wished I had a gun. Why? So someone, possibly me, could have ended up dead?

If someone pulls a gun on me, I won't try to shoot first, I'll just give them what they want. My life is worth way more than that.


See, thats the problem. You are failing to take into consideration just how little your life is worth to the criminal. Some of them will kill you just because you were a witness to their crime.
 
2012-07-31 08:40:50 PM

Alonjar:

The real problem is that most of the population is in complete and utter denial that there are bad people out there who are fully willing to kill/hurt you for little to no reason. Hell, just the other day a local store got robbed, and the cashier was shot dead for no reason. The guy got the money, and shot them on the way out.
.


Have you considered moving? Your neighborhood sounds like a shiathole.

Fact is, now you have the gun and I do not. The question of whether _I_ should be afraid of _you_ is nontrivial. See, if you have a gun, and I do not, but you think I do, the situation just got extremely dangerous - for me.

So what are my options here? Should I be defending myself from the possibility that you might think I'm armed and will do me harm? How thin are the eggshells upon which I have to walk to avoid appearing threatening? Might I say or do something which, to me, is entirely nonthreatening that you interpret as a threat?

So should I go out and buy a gun to protect myself from you? Do I have to live my life seeing the world the same way that you do - that the world is full of hair-triggers and the only effective response is to own a hair-trigger of my own? I don't really want to live my life in a fortress.

From your post, I can tell that you seem to have your head on straight, at least. But, given an intense situation, I don't know that. Almost everyone I know has managed to make it to their forties without being shot at, except for the handful that are in law enforcement or have been in the service. I'm not fool enough to leave my car or apartment unlocked, I stay out of dark alleys, and I rarely go anywhere alone after dark, so I'm not a complete idiot, but with the precautions I've taken - plus ownership of a single firearm - I consider my defenses adequate. If the alternative is to turn my life into a fortress...I'd rather not.
 
2012-07-31 08:45:17 PM
It's even more astonishing that he threatened to kill a meter reader and a jury acquitted him! Is everyone in Florida an inbred moron? I guess the census taker was lucky this nutcase was at the Glenn Beck rally when he rang nut-boy's doorbell.
 
2012-07-31 08:50:04 PM
Although I'm not a fan of door-to-door salesman, I wouldn't shoot one.

/religious zealots selling Jesus...
 
2012-07-31 10:22:53 PM
Stand your ground? He didn't stalk him through the neighborhood. He didn't ignore 911 telling him to back off.

He's got a better case than Trayvon's murderer.

/and you wonder why other states don't get their own tag.
 
2012-07-31 11:16:12 PM
A couple of my friends were jogging through a neighborhood and came upon a wheelbarrow and landscaping supplies blocking the sidewalk. They there was no van or truck parked there so it most likely belonged to the homeowner. Their choices were to run into the busy street or a few feet onto the lawn. They chose B and the homeowner decided the most logical course of action was to release his dogs on them. There are a lot of crazy people out there who are too paranoid and worried about their property to be part of society.
 
2012-08-01 12:33:45 AM

MadMattressMack: To me some of this is the DA's fault for not being able to prosecute and get this guy rehabilitated when he pulled a gun on a meter reader. That's a red flag of this guy's mental stability and they could've done something about it then.


Jury nullification sucks when it sets the wackos free, huh?
 
2012-08-01 02:04:23 AM
So the crazy guy with the guns gets locked up, and we have one less door to door salesman to deal with?

Looks like a win/win situation to me.


Fissile: It's even more astonishing that he threatened to kill a meter reader and a jury acquitted him! Is everyone in Florida an inbred moron?


I love how so many people in this thread assume that since he was charged, he was obviously guilty and that by reading a brief blurb about it in a news article, they know more about the case than the jury who heard all the facts and returned a "not guilty" verdict.
 
2012-08-01 02:29:08 AM

DoctorRock:
Are you retarded?


Did someone type that for you? Or do your parents know you're using their computer without their permission?
Tell them to stop wasting their time and put you to bed.
You sound tired.
 
2012-08-01 10:26:30 AM
So.

A few of you f*ckwits are pro-murder now.

Nice to know.
 
2012-08-01 11:18:12 AM

Kittypie070: So.

A few of you f*ckwits are pro-murder now.

Nice to know.


Hey, nobody is talking about abortion here.
 
2012-08-01 12:14:35 PM

louiedog: A couple of my friends were jogging through a neighborhood and came upon a wheelbarrow and landscaping supplies blocking the sidewalk. They there was no van or truck parked there so it most likely belonged to the homeowner. Their choices were to run into the busy street or a few feet onto the lawn. They chose B and the homeowner decided the most logical course of action was to release his dogs on them. There are a lot of crazy people out there who are too paranoid and worried about their property to be part of society.


and??? what happened?
 
2012-08-01 12:56:22 PM

JuggleGeek: I love how so many people in this thread assume that since he was charged, he was obviously guilty and that by reading a brief blurb about it in a news article, they know more about the case than the jury who heard all the facts and returned a "not guilty" verdict.


This guy gunned down a lobster salesman and then as he lay bleeding, stood over him and shot him in the back of the head because he complained about being shot in a hostile way. It's not a big reach to assume he really was guilty of pointing a gun at a meter maid.

Sure - innocent until proven guilty, but i think horses before i think zebras when i hear hoofbeats...

Maybe he didn't do it, but if we were putting money on it guess where my bet's going?
 
2012-08-01 06:52:36 PM

JuggleGeek: So the crazy guy with the guns gets locked up, and we have one less door to door salesman to deal with?

Looks like a win/win situation to me.


Fissile: It's even more astonishing that he threatened to kill a meter reader and a jury acquitted him! Is everyone in Florida an inbred moron?

I love how so many people in this thread assume that since he was charged, he was obviously guilty and that by reading a brief blurb about it in a news article, they know more about the case than the jury who heard all the facts and returned a "not guilty" verdict.


============

You are quite clearly deranged. You think it's OK to murder a guy for trying to earn a living because it annoys you. You believe you have a God given right to kill anyone on your property because they are on your property. I honestly hope the cops or FBI or some other law enforcement agents are reading this and pay you a visit.
 
2012-08-02 01:05:37 AM

Fissile: You think it's OK to murder a guy for trying to earn a living because it annoys you.


No, I don't think that at all. That's just BS you made up. Much like your assumption that he was clearly guilty of assaulting the meter maid, despite the jury who thought otherwise.
 
2012-08-02 01:09:46 AM

DoctorRock:
who do you think is committing the most gun violence in this country? ill give you a hint :its not the gun hoarding racist white teabagger boogyman from your previous post.


The "gun hoarding racist white teabagger boogeyman" from my previous post is the one most likely to SHOOT SOMEONE IN THE BACK OF THEIR F*CKING HEAD in the middle of the street "for effect" because they rang his f*cking doorbell due to his overwhelming paranoia, gun fetishism and insanity... which was the point of my post that went right over the point on your head.

In my time on earth I have never been afraid of some wanna-be "gangsta", and I've grown up in and lived in neighborhoods that would make Johnny and Janie Suburb sh*t their underoos even to drive through. It's motherf*ckers like the one in this story I'd be concerned with and afraid of.

One more time - It's almost always the crazy white guy that does sh*t like this.
 
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