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2012-07-31 02:46:22 PM
A door-to-door steak reseller came to my door once. Started out by chatting me up on my sports car parked out front, regaling me with stories about his cousin who has a similar one, which naturally piqued my interest, but I couldn't get a word in edgewise. Then he tries to hand me a menu and after finally realizing he's a salesman I say "no thanks". His response: "Ooooh, thanks for wasting my time!" as he leaves in a huff.

What a twatwaffle.

If you're doing this as an adult I have no sympathy for you. Get an ethical job.
 
2012-07-31 02:46:50 PM

asscorethethird: A mans house and property is his castle. I think you should be allowed to put out signs that say "NO TRESPASSING - DEADLY FORCE WILL BE USED", and that should be all the legally required notice necessary.


Then I suggest you move to a country that has laws that allow that.
 
2012-07-31 02:48:33 PM
Many if not most door to door salesmen are casing your house. Our local "meat guy" is in jail now after orchestrating several residential burglaries. The no trespassing sign (made by Disney and with Pirate's theme) did not keep him out ( we were suspicious of him long before he was caught). The Teen Magazine Brigade was also indicted, as was a local realtor and a local pastor for similar door to door burglary rings.

We had to rope off our driveway and put a gate on the walk. You go around our hood now, about half of us have done something similar. We don't own a gun. We own video cameras and still cameras. Someone trespasses, we snap a photo and try to get license plate if possible. Last time anyone ignored gate and climbed through hedges to get to the door, husband had the camera ready. The supposed realtor RAN, hopping the gate and did NOT want pic taken. We called police. I shouted at him. Police scolded him but would not charge with trespassing. Told us to replace thorny hedge with big fence.

Actually watched a group of teens come by two days in a row during summer, with two different causes ( home security and then Jesus) and mark houses where people weren't home. Sure enough, one of those had two ATV's and a bunch of guns stolen

We don't have a lawn. Just thorny bushes and Disney no trespass signs.
 
2012-07-31 02:50:24 PM
All he wanted was for the steak salesman to move along... but he still got...

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dead meat.
 
2012-07-31 02:52:23 PM

Thuull: Pathman: Thuull: Can't say I feel sorry for the guy at all. If someone does not want to be bothered, and they let you know that, then you do not bother them...whether they are a crazy irresponsible gun owner or not does not matter in the least. Salesman got what was coming to him.

then you are an asshole.

this guy was just trying to do his job and he ended up bleeding to death in some redneck's driveway.
Got what was coming to him? what a dipshiat

That's fine, I kind of am an asshole, at least about certain things.

Just because it is the guy's job does not give him the right to tread upon the rights of others. He learned that lesson the hard way.


I don't think shooting someone in the back of the head, execution style, is going to teach them anything since they are now dead.
 
2012-07-31 02:53:30 PM

nytmare: If you're doing this as an adult I have no sympathy for you. Get an ethical job.


The door-to-door-pressure-you-sales-people are douchebags but I do have sympathy for the one killed execution style...
 
2012-07-31 02:56:29 PM

Amos Quito: Cupajo: Pathman: Hundreds gather to remember, pray and support victims of terrible car crash

Poker Professional Ryan Young Passes Away In Car Accident

Chesapeake man killed in one-car accident

Crossmaglen Rangers GAA star Ciaran McKenna killed in car crash

St. Louis Car Crash Leaves David Gains Deceased

Young child injured in two-car crash

Shooting, car chase ends in multi-car crash on I-5; 3 injured

A sampling of some stories from today.
Enjoy your freedom to travel, car nuts.

So maybe we could start to regulate and govern guns at least as much as we do cars. How about that?


I don't regulate my car. Do you regulate your car?


Pull out the title and registration and give it a once-over. The government (the collective "we" I was referring to) regulates your car.
Try selling your car out of your front yard. It's gonna require a trip downtown to the county clerk. Regulation.
Want to actually drive that car on the roads? You'll need insurance for that. Liability, at least. Regulation.

Guns, on the other hand, can be purchased at any gun show in the country without so much as a "you're not a felon, are you?"
 
2012-07-31 02:57:20 PM

Thuull: Crazy? yup. Irresponsible gun owner? Yup.

Does not want anyone on his property and goes out of his way to post three signs saying so? Yup.

Bad things happening to bad people who do bad things...crappy story all around. The salesman however was unwelcome, knew he was unwelcome, completely disregarded the property owner's well stated wishes for the sanctity of his property, and paid for it. Can't say I feel sorry for the guy at all. If someone does not want to be bothered, and they let you know that, then you do not bother them...whether they are a crazy irresponsible gun owner or not does not matter in the least. Salesman got what was coming to him.


Make sure you give the cops your Fark handle when you stand your ground.
 
2012-07-31 02:58:31 PM
I wonder how it feels to live in so much pants-wetting, teeth-grinding, abject FEAR that one needs to shoot random people in the back of the head in order to feel safe.
 
2012-07-31 02:59:32 PM

crab66: Typical paranoid gun nut.


Yes, typical. Because this was such a typical incident from a typical gun owner that this made national headlines.

You sir, are a typical holpophobe.
 
2012-07-31 02:59:48 PM

Amos Quito: Wow! That shooter dude is CRAZY!

The guy was selling steak and lobster, but he could have been selling anything - even cosmetics!

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JUSTICE FOR AVON!


I've never had a frozen steak guy that didn't come across as a criminal.
 
2012-07-31 03:00:49 PM

Cupajo: Amos Quito: Cupajo: Pathman: Hundreds gather to remember, pray and support victims of terrible car crash

Poker Professional Ryan Young Passes Away In Car Accident

Chesapeake man killed in one-car accident

Crossmaglen Rangers GAA star Ciaran McKenna killed in car crash

St. Louis Car Crash Leaves David Gains Deceased

Young child injured in two-car crash

Shooting, car chase ends in multi-car crash on I-5; 3 injured

A sampling of some stories from today.
Enjoy your freedom to travel, car nuts.

So maybe we could start to regulate and govern guns at least as much as we do cars. How about that?


I don't regulate my car. Do you regulate your car?

Pull out the title and registration and give it a once-over. The government (the collective "we" I was referring to) regulates your car.
Try selling your car out of your front yard. It's gonna require a trip downtown to the county clerk. Regulation.
Want to actually drive that car on the roads? You'll need insurance for that. Liability, at least. Regulation.

Guns, on the other hand, can be purchased at any gun show in the country without so much as a "you're not a felon, are you?"


Driving is a privelege.
 
2012-07-31 03:01:17 PM

Cupajo: Guns, on the other hand, can be purchased at any gun show in the country without so much as a "you're not a felon, are you?"


When I bought a gun at the gun show, they did the back ground check just like when buying one at BassPro.
 
2012-07-31 03:01:46 PM

Soymilk: I wonder how it feels to live in so much pants-wetting, teeth-grinding, abject FEAR that one needs to shoot random people in the back of the head in order to feel safe.


Or chiuahuas.
 
2012-07-31 03:04:06 PM

NightOwl2255: Cupajo: Guns, on the other hand, can be purchased at any gun show in the country without so much as a "you're not a felon, are you?"

When I bought a gun at the gun show, they did the back ground check just like when buying one at BassPro.


Cupajo is referring (hopefully though education and not accidentally through ignorance) the sale of long guns between two citizens without any paperwork. Sales through dealers of long guns and all handgun sales still require background checks. The private sale of long guns has been a hot button issue.
 
2012-07-31 03:04:18 PM

NightOwl2255: Cupajo: Guns, on the other hand, can be purchased at any gun show in the country without so much as a "you're not a felon, are you?"

When I bought a gun at the gun show, they did the back ground check just like when buying one at BassPro.


Damn dude, they sell guns at your car audio place?
 
2012-07-31 03:05:39 PM

asscorethethird: The guy was one of those annoying door to door meat salesmen? The guy totally deserved it!

I guess I am the only voice of reason that thinks if you have three no trespassing signs on your property, and you trespass, you deserve to get your farking brains blown out.

No trespassing doesnt mean "no trespassing EXCEPT annoying farking door to door meat salesmen". It means you you farking retard.

A mans house and property is his castle. I think you should be allowed to put out signs that say "NO TRESPASSING - DEADLY FORCE WILL BE USED", and that should be all the legally required notice necessary.


The sign you want is not 'no trespassing', it's 'no solicitors'. If you see a no trespassing sign on a driveway, you can assume you aren't welcome unless you have business with the inhabitants. However, a door-to-door salesman will just say he does have business with them, and is therefor not trespassing. 'No solicitors' defeats that argument, and many places have special laws barring solicitors from places which have posted notice. So if you actually want to keep solicitors away, and not just to shoot someone, at least get the proper sign.
 
2012-07-31 03:06:50 PM

Cupajo: Amos Quito: Cupajo: Pathman: Hundreds gather to remember, pray and support victims of terrible car crash

Poker Professional Ryan Young Passes Away In Car Accident

Chesapeake man killed in one-car accident

Crossmaglen Rangers GAA star Ciaran McKenna killed in car crash

St. Louis Car Crash Leaves David Gains Deceased

Young child injured in two-car crash

Shooting, car chase ends in multi-car crash on I-5; 3 injured

A sampling of some stories from today.
Enjoy your freedom to travel, car nuts.

So maybe we could start to regulate and govern guns at least as much as we do cars. How about that?


I don't regulate my car. Do you regulate your car?

Pull out the title and registration and give it a once-over. The government (the collective "we" I was referring to) regulates your car.
Try selling your car out of your front yard. It's gonna require a trip downtown to the county clerk. Regulation.
Want to actually drive that car on the roads? You'll need insurance for that. Liability, at least. Regulation.

Guns, on the other hand, can be purchased at any gun show in the country without so much as a "you're not a felon, are you?"



Which country do you live in?
 
2012-07-31 03:07:37 PM

FrancoFile: Technoir: FrancoFile: Technoir: FrancoFile: NightOwl2255: Technoir: The fark they aren't. Being a foot-bound sales-schlep does not entitle some douchecanoe to ignore my "No Trespassing" and "No Soliciting" signs. Unless you are an employee of a service provider I subscribe to, or a member of law-enforcement agency, don't knock on my farkin' door.

And if someone dare to knock on your door, what are you going to do? Shoot them? Use harsh language? Write a sternly worded letter?

This.

So if I notice that your house is on fire, or your child is lying bleeding in the street, I should just go about my business?

No kids, and genuine emergency would be an exception.

Okee doke.
What if I just moved in next door and wanted to introduce myself? You Canucks are notoriously friendly, aren't you?

Fark no. I don't want to know my neighbours. You'd get a "Yeah, what do you want? Oh, you just moved in down the hall? Swell. Good day." through the door.

I moved into the building for 2 reasons, it's fairly close to work, and to look after my mom who's getting up there in years, and my brother and sister and I decided one of us should be close by for her. I already know all I want to about my neighbours. Across the hall, family of West African immigrants who apparently dip their infant daughter in boiling oil for several hours a day, judging by the screaming that kid does. Next door, a cancer sufferer with one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel who smokes dope 24/7 on the balcony (along with his wife, who has no medical condition that would require medicinal weed), preventing me from enjoying mine. I'd move, but he's apparently got less than 4 months before the cancer kills him, and eviction proceedings on the people across the hall should come to a head soon, as their visas have expired and the building has lodged numerous complaints against them around damages to their unit (ie they rip the doors off the cupboards, holes in the walls, damages to the floors and ...


Misanthropic, sure. Fearful, not particularly. I just don't really care to associate with the people around me because I'm choosy.
 
2012-07-31 03:09:03 PM

phaseolus: Technoir: I'd move

Don't bother, it wouldn't be worth the effort. You wouldn't be any less peeved at the new place.


Probably not, but next place will likely be a house, which minimizes the social impact neighbours can inflict on my life.
 
2012-07-31 03:09:19 PM
The fact that he did not ask the guy to identify himself seems like a big issue to me. For all he knew, it could have been another meter reader, a new neighbor, or some religious nut.

The fact that he just shot, then waited a couple minutes and executed the guy, says he is nothing more that a cold blooded killer. Because he waited, that should be charged as murder under special circumstance, which I believe carries either life in prison without the possibility of parole or the death penalty.

Frustratingly sad story.
 
2012-07-31 03:09:36 PM

silverjets: Wow.

How pathetic of a life do you have to lead to be so in fear that you shoot someone for simply walking towards you??

Good god, what is wrong with people today?


Fox News
 
2012-07-31 03:10:07 PM

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: NightOwl2255: Cupajo: Guns, on the other hand, can be purchased at any gun show in the country without so much as a "you're not a felon, are you?"

When I bought a gun at the gun show, they did the back ground check just like when buying one at BassPro.

Cupajo is referring (hopefully though education and not accidentally through ignorance) the sale of long guns between two citizens without any paperwork. Sales through dealers of long guns and all handgun sales still require background checks. The private sale of long guns has been a hot button issue.


That too, of course. Although I was specifically referring to the lax record keeping and background checking done at gun shows down at your local civic center. NightOwl2255 might have had a different experience when he bought at a gun show, but I can assure you there are plenty of instances of "I'll be packing up around 10PM; meet me out in the parking lot and we can do this then; bring cash" between gun show seller and impatient gun show buyer.
 
2012-07-31 03:12:56 PM

Cupajo: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: NightOwl2255: Cupajo: Guns, on the other hand, can be purchased at any gun show in the country without so much as a "you're not a felon, are you?"

When I bought a gun at the gun show, they did the back ground check just like when buying one at BassPro.

Cupajo is referring (hopefully though education and not accidentally through ignorance) the sale of long guns between two citizens without any paperwork. Sales through dealers of long guns and all handgun sales still require background checks. The private sale of long guns has been a hot button issue.

That too, of course. Although I was specifically referring to the lax record keeping and background checking done at gun shows down at your local civic center. NightOwl2255 might have had a different experience when he bought at a gun show, but I can assure you there are plenty of instances of "I'll be packing up around 10PM; meet me out in the parking lot and we can do this then; bring cash" between gun show seller and impatient gun show buyer.


What? No, no there is not any instances of that kind of thing. A background check takes a quick five minute phone call. There is no reason a dealer, who makes his living selling firearms, is going to risk losing his license because he can't be bothered to make the required phone call.
 
2012-07-31 03:13:47 PM
I'm betting he was a member the NRA.

And PETA.
 
2012-07-31 03:14:17 PM

bluefoxicy: Dimensio: bluefoxicy: Most gun owners are a brainwashed lot that believe guns are the only effective weapons

Please substantiate this assertion.

Well....

Alonjar:

I had two crack heads force their way into my apartment and rob me at gunpoint after knocking on my door. I could see the bullet sitting in the chamber down the barrel of the gun. The guy had it pointed directly at my face, and his hands were shaking like he was farking Michael J Fox (drug withdrawal I assume).

[...]

Why do I live my life in terror? I dont. Now that I carry every day, Im not afraid of a farking thing.

Take this guy for example. Somebody knocks on his door, he opens it, and the little chain that only lets the door open 3 inches snaps like a rubber band when a grown man puts his weight on it. The grown man shoves a gun through the door and in his face, chain breaks as he kicks the door in.

So this guy is no longer afraid, because he carries a gun.

So whenever he answers the door, he's going to immediately stick his gun in the face of whoever is there? That's basically in line with the paranoia of this Florida redneck.

Or is he going to stand there with a gun in his face, reach down, pull out his gun, and shoot the guy, who obviously won't shoot him in the face in the mean time?

You see, he believes his gun is his sword and his shield. He believes it's functionally better than a katana, nunchaku, sai, a sock full of quarters, or his fists, because it will protect him from bullets from another gun. A gun is power, and that power allows him to stand against another gun. We can all plainly see that a sword won't deflect bullets (you are not Luke Skywalker); however somehow this man has concluded that a gun can.


A sample of one does not constitute a valid data set.
 
2012-07-31 03:15:03 PM
A firearm purchased from a dealer at a gun show is no different from a firearm purchased from a dealer at a gun store. The fact that you don't know this proves what an ignorance hoplophobe you really are.
 
2012-07-31 03:16:03 PM

StrangeQ: Rapmaster2000: Roop told detectives Rainey should have respected his three "No Trespassing" signs

There's a new neighbor on my street who has posted "PRIVATE PROPERTY" signs in his front yard. I don't get it.

Some people are just touchy about it. The wife and I were looking at houses in a wooded community and every other one had some combination of NO TRESPASSING, PRIVATE PROPERTY and BEWARE OF DOG signs posted. It was a little scary.


Best way to post is on a stake with a pile of bloodstained human skulls around the bottom. I like to impale one at the top too. For effect.
 
2012-07-31 03:16:17 PM

thetubameister: Dimensio: pacified: Also bro, by carrying a gun everyday, you pretty much admit to being in fear.

Please explain the logic by which you have derived your conclusion.

If you're afraid without it, then you're still afraid.,, and probably dangerous. Enjoy your lethal security blanket.


You have not demonstrated that carrying a firearm daily constitutes an admission of fear.
 
2012-07-31 03:17:57 PM

Dimensio: thetubameister: Dimensio: pacified: Also bro, by carrying a gun everyday, you pretty much admit to being in fear.

Please explain the logic by which you have derived your conclusion.

If you're afraid without it, then you're still afraid.,, and probably dangerous. Enjoy your lethal security blanket.

You have not demonstrated that carrying a firearm daily constitutes an admission of fear.


It's the same way you are scared of driving because you wear a seatbelt. Do you REALLY believe that every single tractor trailer is out to get you??
 
2012-07-31 03:22:19 PM

asscorethethird: The guy was one of those annoying door to door meat salesmen? The guy totally deserved it!

I guess I am the only voice of reason that thinks if you have three no trespassing signs on your property, and you trespass, you deserve to get your farking brains blown out.

No trespassing doesnt mean "no trespassing EXCEPT annoying farking door to door meat salesmen". It means you you farking retard.

A mans house and property is his castle. I think you should be allowed to put out signs that say "NO TRESPASSING - DEADLY FORCE WILL BE USED", and that should be all the legally required notice necessary.


As you have previously explicitly expressed a total disregard for respect for private property, your statements are entirely hypocritical.
 
2012-07-31 03:23:46 PM
ronaprhys:
There are some definite cultural differences between the US and other areas.

Okay... so if you get your house invaded one night while your family is there, I can understand why you might purchase a gun. Something bad happened to you, you react. However, that doesn't explain why nations that have actually had bad things happen to them aren't and gun crazy as the US is.


I believe it's been quoted that over half of the deaths as a result of firearms are suicides.


Not the subject. Notice I used the words "shot and killed", as in "by another person", not "deaths". Try again.

As for the rest, basically you're setting up a nice strawman. Evidence? The "darkies", always whitey, etc.

Okay... so find me more than one or two of these types of incidents where the perp isn't a white male, and maybe I'll believe you. The threads just on this forum (others are worse) will bear out my "fear of them" hypothesis, and "they" are almost always non-whites. Other suspects are "the government", "the jews", and "just plain anyone else". Unfortunately the salesman fell into the last category, visiting this guy just as he seemed to be having one of his episodes.
 
2012-07-31 03:24:02 PM

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: Dimensio: thetubameister: Dimensio: pacified: Also bro, by carrying a gun everyday, you pretty much admit to being in fear.

Please explain the logic by which you have derived your conclusion.

If you're afraid without it, then you're still afraid.,, and probably dangerous. Enjoy your lethal security blanket.

You have not demonstrated that carrying a firearm daily constitutes an admission of fear.

It's the same way you are scared of driving because you wear a seatbelt. Do you REALLY believe that every single tractor trailer is out to get you??


so... you are comparing wearing a seat belt to carrying a firearm??? Oh yeah that makes logical sense good work!!
 
2012-07-31 03:25:01 PM

bluefoxicy: Take this guy for example. Somebody knocks on his door, he opens it, and the little chain that only lets the door open 3 inches snaps like a rubber band when a grown man puts his weight on it. The grown man shoves a gun through the door and in his face, chain breaks as he kicks the door in.

So this guy is no longer afraid, because he carries a gun.

So whenever he answers the door, he's going to immediately stick his gun in the face of whoever is there? That's basically in line with the paranoia of this Florida redneck.

Or is he going to stand there with a gun in his face, reach down, pull out his gun, and shoot the guy, who obviously won't shoot him in the face in the mean time?.


... and then in real life, i place my foot behind the door as i open it, preventing anyone from quickly forcing it open, and like i said.. i already have the gun in my hand obscured from view. While their focus is still on pushing the door open, i went ahead and took the half a second it takes to aim the weapon and fire.

Nice imagination though, perhaps i should take your advice and become a ninja.
 
2012-07-31 03:26:16 PM

neems: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: Dimensio: thetubameister: Dimensio: pacified: Also bro, by carrying a gun everyday, you pretty much admit to being in fear.

Please explain the logic by which you have derived your conclusion.

If you're afraid without it, then you're still afraid.,, and probably dangerous. Enjoy your lethal security blanket.

You have not demonstrated that carrying a firearm daily constitutes an admission of fear.

It's the same way you are scared of driving because you wear a seatbelt. Do you REALLY believe that every single tractor trailer is out to get you??

so... you are comparing wearing a seat belt to carrying a firearm??? Oh yeah that makes logical sense good work!!


Both devices are strapped around my waist. I have, thus far, never required use of either device. The comparison, while not perfect, does seem appropriate.
 
2012-07-31 03:27:05 PM

Dimensio: You have not demonstrated that carrying a firearm daily constitutes an admission of fear.


In that particular example, the guy admits to having a gun every time he answers the door and every time he leaves his house. Because he once had a gun pointed at him in a robbery. Now, he says, he's not afraid because he always has his gun with him. This means that he is afraid every time he doesn't have his gun with him and that he carries the gun to not be afraid. This is his admission of fear.

It also makes him terribly, terribly dangerous. His gun magically protects him and makes him fearful of nothing. An over confident guy with a gun who worries about having another gun pointed at him ever, ever again is likely to assess situations much differently and to see guns as much more prevalent than they are. That guy was holding a gun! No, he was holding a soda bottle, you think it's a gun because you would be holding your gun if you were him. The above poster is dangerous and needs therapy, not a firearm.
 
2012-07-31 03:28:13 PM

neems: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: Dimensio: thetubameister: Dimensio: pacified: Also bro, by carrying a gun everyday, you pretty much admit to being in fear.

Please explain the logic by which you have derived your conclusion.

If you're afraid without it, then you're still afraid.,, and probably dangerous. Enjoy your lethal security blanket.

You have not demonstrated that carrying a firearm daily constitutes an admission of fear.

It's the same way you are scared of driving because you wear a seatbelt. Do you REALLY believe that every single tractor trailer is out to get you??

so... you are comparing wearing a seat belt to carrying a firearm??? Oh yeah that makes logical sense good work!!


I'm picking up on some attempted sarcasm, but you have done nothing to disprove my analogy and have only served to out yourself as a bigoted hoplophobe.
 
2012-07-31 03:30:51 PM

MythDragon: Goddammit so much.

What is with the crazies with guns lately?

Most of the people who own guns are responsible people. But these assholes make the rest of us look bad.
Like the one jackass who has to do 100mph wheelies down the interstate makes other motorcyle riders look bad.

And how does someone say "You shot me!" in a pleasant manner?


I always think the guys doing 100mph wheelies down the interstate are farkin' awesome!! The rest of you bikers need to learn how to ride.
 
2012-07-31 03:32:43 PM
Driving is a privelege.


Why do people like to repeat this stupid sentence, despite it not being patently false?
 
2012-07-31 03:33:42 PM

Alonjar: bluefoxicy: Take this guy for example. Somebody knocks on his door, he opens it, and the little chain that only lets the door open 3 inches snaps like a rubber band when a grown man puts his weight on it. The grown man shoves a gun through the door and in his face, chain breaks as he kicks the door in.

So this guy is no longer afraid, because he carries a gun.

So whenever he answers the door, he's going to immediately stick his gun in the face of whoever is there? That's basically in line with the paranoia of this Florida redneck.

Or is he going to stand there with a gun in his face, reach down, pull out his gun, and shoot the guy, who obviously won't shoot him in the face in the mean time?.

... and then in real life, i place my foot behind the door as i open it, preventing anyone from quickly forcing it open, and like i said.. i already have the gun in my hand obscured from view. While their focus is still on pushing the door open, i went ahead and took the half a second it takes to aim the weapon and fire.

Nice imagination though, perhaps i should take your advice and become a ninja.


Your foot? Ha!
 
2012-07-31 03:36:59 PM
I'm wondering who the tard jurors were who let this guy off the hook the first time.I hope they feel better now, the dead guy's blood is on their hands.
 
2012-07-31 03:38:02 PM

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: hoplophobe


Um nope, own several guns, I feel absolutely no need to carry them with me. I use them for hunting, not to prevent Semi's from hitting me.
 
2012-07-31 03:38:13 PM

Cupajo: Pathman: Hundreds gather to remember, pray and support victims of terrible car crash

Poker Professional Ryan Young Passes Away In Car Accident

Chesapeake man killed in one-car accident

Crossmaglen Rangers GAA star Ciaran McKenna killed in car crash

St. Louis Car Crash Leaves David Gains Deceased

Young child injured in two-car crash

Shooting, car chase ends in multi-car crash on I-5; 3 injured

A sampling of some stories from today.
Enjoy your freedom to travel, car nuts.

So maybe we could start to regulate and govern guns at least as much as we do cars. How about that?


uh - don't we already? I don't remember having to submit to fingerprinting or a background check the last time i bought a car.

Are you buying cars with gun turrets?
 
2012-07-31 03:40:01 PM
TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: What? No, no there is not any instances of that kind of thing. A background check takes a quick five minute phone call. There is no reason a dealer, who makes his living selling firearms, is going to risk losing his license because he can't be bothered to make the required phone call.

No instances? That's a bold claim. I have personally witnessed cash-4-guns transactions in the parking lot behind a gun show twice in the last year.
 
2012-07-31 03:40:57 PM

gadian: Dimensio: You have not demonstrated that carrying a firearm daily constitutes an admission of fear.

In that particular example, the guy admits to having a gun every time he answers the door and every time he leaves his house. Because he once had a gun pointed at him in a robbery. Now, he says, he's not afraid because he always has his gun with him. This means that he is afraid every time he doesn't have his gun with him and that he carries the gun to not be afraid. This is his admission of fear.

It also makes him terribly, terribly dangerous. His gun magically protects him and makes him fearful of nothing. An over confident guy with a gun who worries about having another gun pointed at him ever, ever again is likely to assess situations much differently and to see guns as much more prevalent than they are. That guy was holding a gun! No, he was holding a soda bottle, you think it's a gun because you would be holding your gun if you were him. The above poster is dangerous and needs therapy, not a firearm.


Thats an awful lot of assumptions you are making.
 
2012-07-31 03:41:28 PM

Cupajo: Pull out the title and registration and give it a once-over. The government (the collective "we" I was referring to) regulates your car.
Try selling your car out of your front yard. It's gonna require a trip downtown to the county clerk. Regulation.
Want to actually drive that car on the roads? You'll need insurance for that. Liability, at least. Regulation.

Guns, on the other hand, can be purchased at any gun show in the country without so much as a "you're not a felon, are you?"


yeah - i don't know where you're buying your guns, but you're not buying them legally.
you can't just sell your firearm out in your front yard either.

i have no doubt that people do it - but they're not doing it legally.
i have no problem with government enforcing the law.
 
2012-07-31 03:42:29 PM
Pathman

Dear Jerk: The right to keep and bear arms implies a limit of two.

yeah - because if this guy had less guns he probably wouldn't have shot this kid

Scalia said the term "arms" implies a size limit. By that same reasoning it implies a possession limit. I'm not saying people won't die, I'm just saying the NRA is nuts.
 
2012-07-31 03:45:24 PM

doubled99: Driving is a privelege.


Why do people like to repeat this stupid sentence, despite it not being patently false?


I bet you confuse yourself often.
 
2012-07-31 03:50:13 PM

StoPPeRmobile:

Your foot? Ha!


Go put your sneaker on, and stand behind your door. Ask someone to force it open. Do us the favor of uploading a youtube video of said experiment. Should be good to watch.

Either way, we're getting way off topic with hypothetical situations. All i know is, the one time I had my life put in danger during a robbery, I had plenty of opportunities to draw a weapon and fire it with little risk of return fire. if I am in a situation where I dont have a tactical advantage, obviously I wouldnt try to make a move.
 
2012-07-31 03:51:45 PM

Dear Jerk: Scalia said the term "arms" implies a size limit. By that same reasoning it implies a possession limit. I'm not saying people won't die, I'm just saying the NRA is nuts.


i don't see how the size of the arms implies a possession limit...

for the sake of conversation, if i were a fed looking to try and restrict people from hoarding weapons i would probably take a page out of the drug war's book and try and spin it in such a way that someone buying that many firearms is probably not doing it "for personal use" - in other words he's arming people who should be arming themselves...
 
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