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2012-07-31 12:14:57 PM  

RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.


You are either:
a) a troll, or
b) a sociopath

I suppose sociopath troll is also a possibility.
 
2012-07-31 12:15:37 PM  

Dear Jerk: The right to keep and bear arms implies a limit of two.


yeah - because if this guy had less guns he probably wouldn't have shot this kid
 
2012-07-31 12:17:53 PM  

bluefoxicy: Most gun owners are a brainwashed lot that believe guns are the only effective weapons


Please substantiate this assertion.
 
2012-07-31 12:19:05 PM  

falcon176: Florida's stand your ground law is so retarded that this guy might actually get off if he gets a good lawyer


Considering that he was acquitted in the meter reader incident, I'm guessing he has a very good lawyer, and he knows it. He's probably been looking for any excuse to murder someone since his acquittal because he thinks he's invincible now. And because he's a sadistic sociopath.
 
2012-07-31 12:19:21 PM  

Jument: RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.

You are either:
a) a troll, or
b) a sociopath

I suppose sociopath troll is also a possibility.


I'm going with a. No sane person is siding with the shooter in this case.
 
2012-07-31 12:19:37 PM  

Dimensio: bluefoxicy: Most gun owners are a brainwashed lot that believe guns are the only effective weapons

Please substantiate this assertion.


Have you not been reading Fark lately?
 
2012-07-31 12:20:14 PM  
This guy is pretty much the walking stereotype of most Gun-nuts (as distinguished from hobbyists and responsible normal gun owners) and why a lot of us think the right to keep and bear needs some serious asterisks by it. He's either a psychopath/sadist who just really wanted to shoot someone or he is a pant-wetting coward who spends his every waking moment living in mortal dread.


honestly consider this paragraph alone:
"As Rainey drew within 4 feet, Roop grabbed his 9mm Glock from his pocket and fired once, striking Rainey in the shoulder, he told police. Rainey fell to the ground, screaming, 'You shot me,' in what Roop described as an "antagonistic" manner, according to the report"

can you think of any NON "antagonistic" ways to say "Motherfarker you just shot me for no goddamn reason"
 
2012-07-31 12:20:18 PM  

TyrantII: Guns are a means of last ditch effort in very bad situations. Thinking being armed is protecting yourself is foolish. It's akin to wearing a seat-belt in a 100mph crash. If you get lucky, it allows you the opportunity of better protection. Lucky being the key word. A gun isn't a shield.

Honestly, the best thing is to just accept that some things are out of your control, and horribly random; worrying and obsessing about them is not healthy. Is life worth it if you're paranoid and full of fear of it being taken away? Not in my book.


I had two crack heads force their way into my apartment and rob me at gunpoint after knocking on my door. I could see the bullet sitting in the chamber down the barrel of the gun. The guy had it pointed directly at my face, and his hands were shaking like he was farking Michael J Fox (drug withdrawal I assume). At any point in time, he could have twitched wrong and I'd be dead. There were plenty of opportunities that I could have shot them both during the event while their focus was on loading all my stuff into duffel bags, if I had it on me, rather than locked in a gunsafe.

I lived, and was not shot. Does that mean that if someone robs me again, I should just let them do whatever they want, because hey... what are the odds they're going to kill me this time? As long as I cooperate, a fiending crackheads shaky hand isnt going to pull that trigger, right? I mean, a drug addict who chooses to perform an armed home invasion is a very logical person, wouldnt you say? So I should be logical with them?

fark no. I answer my door with a gun in my hand now (although I dont let you see it), and I wear a concealed weapon on me when I go out. I got lucky. Thats all. The dice got thrown and I lived. I do not intend to gamble with my life ever again.

Why do I live my life in terror? I dont. Now that I carry every day, Im not afraid of a farking thing.
 
2012-07-31 12:20:32 PM  
people should purposefully go to this guys house, and have their buddy kill him.

Can I defend my ground against you defending your ground? Let's find out, tiny dick man.
 
2012-07-31 12:20:49 PM  

qorkfiend: darwinpolice: Rapmaster2000: Roop told detectives Rainey should have respected his three "No Trespassing" signs

There's a new neighbor on my street who has posted "PRIVATE PROPERTY" signs in his front yard. I don't get it.

Do you live in Florida? Best respect the hell out of those signs, son.

Doesn't matter. A homeowner with a "No Trespassing" sign is not automatically promoted to judge, jury, and executioner.


Tell that to the dead salesman and his family.
 
2012-07-31 12:22:10 PM  

Alonjar: TyrantII: Guns are a means of last ditch effort in very bad situations. Thinking being armed is protecting yourself is foolish. It's akin to wearing a seat-belt in a 100mph crash. If you get lucky, it allows you the opportunity of better protection. Lucky being the key word. A gun isn't a shield.

Honestly, the best thing is to just accept that some things are out of your control, and horribly random; worrying and obsessing about them is not healthy. Is life worth it if you're paranoid and full of fear of it being taken away? Not in my book.

I had two crack heads force their way into my apartment and rob me at gunpoint after knocking on my door. I could see the bullet sitting in the chamber down the barrel of the gun. The guy had it pointed directly at my face, and his hands were shaking like he was farking Michael J Fox (drug withdrawal I assume). At any point in time, he could have twitched wrong and I'd be dead. There were plenty of opportunities that I could have shot them both during the event while their focus was on loading all my stuff into duffel bags, if I had it on me, rather than locked in a gunsafe.

I lived, and was not shot. Does that mean that if someone robs me again, I should just let them do whatever they want, because hey... what are the odds they're going to kill me this time? As long as I cooperate, a fiending crackheads shaky hand isnt going to pull that trigger, right? I mean, a drug addict who chooses to perform an armed home invasion is a very logical person, wouldnt you say? So I should be logical with them?

fark no. I answer my door with a gun in my hand now (although I dont let you see it), and I wear a concealed weapon on me when I go out. I got lucky. Thats all. The dice got thrown and I lived. I do not intend to gamble with my life ever again.

Why do I live my life in terror? I dont. Now that I carry every day, Im not afraid of a farking thing.


Go see a shrink and stop being a pussy, you pussy.
 
2012-07-31 12:22:39 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: So gun-grabbers, explain to me how this situation couldn't have been avoided by the salesman also carrying? Dude was a fool for not packing heat. You never know when some lunatic's gonna stand his ground in the most lethal manner possible.

An armed society is a polite society.


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Chesapeake man killed in one-car accident

Crossmaglen Rangers GAA star Ciaran McKenna killed in car crash

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Young child injured in two-car crash

Shooting, car chase ends in multi-car crash on I-5; 3 injured

A sampling of some stories from today.
Enjoy your freedom to travel, car nuts.
 
2012-07-31 12:22:52 PM  

Jument: RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.

You are either:
a) a troll, or
b) a sociopath

I suppose sociopath troll is also a possibility.


you say that like it's a bad thing
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2012-07-31 12:24:12 PM  

Alonjar: TyrantII: Guns are a means of last ditch effort in very bad situations. Thinking being armed is protecting yourself is foolish. It's akin to wearing a seat-belt in a 100mph crash. If you get lucky, it allows you the opportunity of better protection. Lucky being the key word. A gun isn't a shield.

Honestly, the best thing is to just accept that some things are out of your control, and horribly random; worrying and obsessing about them is not healthy. Is life worth it if you're paranoid and full of fear of it being taken away? Not in my book.

I had two crack heads force their way into my apartment and rob me at gunpoint after knocking on my door. I could see the bullet sitting in the chamber down the barrel of the gun. The guy had it pointed directly at my face, and his hands were shaking like he was farking Michael J Fox (drug withdrawal I assume). At any point in time, he could have twitched wrong and I'd be dead. There were plenty of opportunities that I could have shot them both during the event while their focus was on loading all my stuff into duffel bags, if I had it on me, rather than locked in a gunsafe.

I lived, and was not shot. Does that mean that if someone robs me again, I should just let them do whatever they want, because hey... what are the odds they're going to kill me this time? As long as I cooperate, a fiending crackheads shaky hand isnt going to pull that trigger, right? I mean, a drug addict who chooses to perform an armed home invasion is a very logical person, wouldnt you say? So I should be logical with them?

fark no. I answer my door with a gun in my hand now (although I dont let you see it), and I wear a concealed weapon on me when I go out. I got lucky. Thats all. The dice got thrown and I lived. I do not intend to gamble with my life ever again.

Why do I live my life in terror? I dont. Now that I carry every day, Im not afraid of a farking thing.


Also bro, by carrying a gun everyday, you pretty much admit to being in fear.

How it works

Phase 1 : Wake up
Phase 2 :"shiat I'M SCARED WHERE IS MY GUN"
Phase 3: Profit.

Holy shiat guys. We just found the answer to ???? as phase 2.
 
2012-07-31 12:24:34 PM  

darwinpolice: Rapmaster2000: Roop told detectives Rainey should have respected his three "No Trespassing" signs

There's a new neighbor on my street who has posted "PRIVATE PROPERTY" signs in his front yard. I don't get it.

Do you live in Florida? Best respect the hell out of those signs, son.


A salesman coming to your door isn't trespassing no matter how many signs you have up. A "No solictors sign" is necessary. Your front yard isn;t really "private property" either as most yards include a public access easement of about 25-50 feet
 
2012-07-31 12:24:41 PM  

TyrantII: Guns are a means of last ditch effort in very bad situations. Thinking being armed is protecting yourself is foolish. It's akin to wearing a seat-belt in a 100mph crash. If you get lucky, it allows you the opportunity of better protection. Lucky being the key word. A gun isn't a shield.

Honestly, the best thing is to just accept that some things are out of your control, and horribly random; worrying and obsessing about them is not healthy. Is life worth it if you're paranoid and full of fear of it being taken away? Not in my book.


let me ask you - the last time you drove 100mph, were you wearing a seatbelt?
 
2012-07-31 12:24:42 PM  

joaquin closet: RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.

4 extra esses. 4 extra esses. 4 extra esses. 4 extra esses.

not siding with the moron here.


Moran!! Sorry, pet peeve...
 
2012-07-31 12:25:16 PM  

Eagles409: I support gun rights and I support the castle doctrine, but this stand your ground law needs to go. We have too many nutjobs that seem like they are looking for an excuse to shoot someone and then justify it later.

Also, this guy needs to rot in hell. After reading the article, the other sales guy that was with him, said he sat for a bit before executing him. According to the article, he was lying face down on the driveway, bleeding, how is that threatening?


I've said it before. Putting the "stand your ground" stuff into actual state legal codes just gives the paranoids more reason to do crap like this.
 
2012-07-31 12:25:41 PM  

Click Click D'oh: gilgigamesh: What do, NRA goons?

What, you honestly think the NRA condones executing unarmed and wounded people laying on the ground?

Really?

Is that all you guys can do these days, yell NRA BAD NRA BAD NRA BAAAA! BAAAA!


What does the political arm of the NRA and its leadership have to do with firearms?
 
2012-07-31 12:26:04 PM  
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2012-07-31 12:26:05 PM  

pacified: Also bro, by carrying a gun everyday, you pretty much admit to being in fear.


Please explain the logic by which you have derived your conclusion.
 
2012-07-31 12:26:26 PM  

Magorn: This guy is pretty much the walking stereotype of most Gun-nuts (as distinguished from hobbyists and responsible normal gun owners) and why a lot of us think the right to keep and bear needs some serious asterisks by it. He's either a psychopath/sadist who just really wanted to shoot someone or he is a pant-wetting coward who spends his every waking moment living in mortal dread.


I'd argue that he's the walking stereotype of what many people believe a "gun nut" is. He is not a gun nut, not at all. These actions point to him being mentally unstable. If he was a gun nut, as your positioning it here and as that term is thrown about on Fark and other sites, there'd be a significantly higher number of shootings like this. Simply put, there aren't.

Assuming all the facts are as stated and there's nothing critical missing, this guy is likely a nutbar who's now guilty of first degree murder.
 
2012-07-31 12:26:59 PM  

Alonjar: Now that I carry every day, Im not afraid of a farking thing.


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2012-07-31 12:27:06 PM  

Pathman: TofuTheAlmighty: So gun-grabbers, explain to me how this situation couldn't have been avoided by the salesman also carrying? Dude was a fool for not packing heat. You never know when some lunatic's gonna stand his ground in the most lethal manner possible.

An armed society is a polite society.

Hundreds gather to remember, pray and support victims of terrible car crash

Poker Professional Ryan Young Passes Away In Car Accident

Chesapeake man killed in one-car accident

Crossmaglen Rangers GAA star Ciaran McKenna killed in car crash

St. Louis Car Crash Leaves David Gains Deceased

Young child injured in two-car crash

Shooting, car chase ends in multi-car crash on I-5; 3 injured

A sampling of some stories from today.
Enjoy your freedom to travel, car nuts.


False analogy is false.

A car has a utlity to it that comes with some danger, as a society we've decided that the utility it provides outweighs its danger. A gun is a weapon. it has zero utltity other than the harming or taking of life.
 
2012-07-31 12:27:11 PM  
My neighbor shot someone. My neighbor was coming home from the range and a burglar was in his house. Oopsie.

I know of a guy who is a member of a competitive gun club where they practice shooting at moving targets finish off a home invader too.

But then I live in a neighborhood that is topographically unfriendly for door to door sales weasels. I get maybe one a year come by.
 
2012-07-31 12:27:45 PM  

MCStymie: Okay...I have to admit that I hate the ever-loving shia'thead out of door-to-door salesfolk, but there's no signing off on this obvious nutter. One less door-to-door jerk mitigates the situation, though kid ust trying to do his job, and I'll go with life w/o parole. Lock his ass up and throw away the key.

 
2012-07-31 12:27:46 PM  
I have a 12 ga. pump for home defense. But I wouldn't consider using it unless someone was breaking into the house. When Florida simplified the permitting process for the CCW and made it pretty easy to obtain one, I considered it. Went as far as getting the paperwork, and ultimately decided it probably wasn't in my best interest to be toting a pistol on my person.

I'm going to have to reassess that decision. Not because I fear criminals so much, but because I never know if the next asshole that I tell to go f*ck himself is going to get all 2nd ammendmenty on me for calling out his dumbf*ckery.
 
2012-07-31 12:29:51 PM  
Crazy? yup. Irresponsible gun owner? Yup.

Does not want anyone on his property and goes out of his way to post three signs saying so? Yup.

Bad things happening to bad people who do bad things...crappy story all around. The salesman however was unwelcome, knew he was unwelcome, completely disregarded the property owner's well stated wishes for the sanctity of his property, and paid for it. Can't say I feel sorry for the guy at all. If someone does not want to be bothered, and they let you know that, then you do not bother them...whether they are a crazy irresponsible gun owner or not does not matter in the least. Salesman got what was coming to him.
 
2012-07-31 12:30:02 PM  
Where is the HERO tag ?
 
2012-07-31 12:30:41 PM  
Doesn't the act shooting a downed man in the back of the head "for effect" negate the standing of ones ground?

/Just curious
 
2012-07-31 12:31:15 PM  
This guy should have had his license revoked when he pointed a gun at the parking meter attendant.

Burn in hell
 
2012-07-31 12:32:19 PM  
Hmm. Science shows that gun-nuts are actually mentally ill.

In fact, just having a gun on your person makes you perceive the world differently. You are dangerous, because you perceive non-threatening or low-threatening situations as much, much more threatening than they really are.

That's the definition of being mentally ill, seeing the world completely differently.

Look it up.
 
2012-07-31 12:34:11 PM  

Dimensio: pacified: Also bro, by carrying a gun everyday, you pretty much admit to being in fear.

Please explain the logic by which you have derived your conclusion.


This. Carrying a gun is not an emotional decision for me, far from it. It is an entirely logical one. I am aware of the dangers that exist in the world, and I have taken the best steps available to me to protect myself. Its the same reason I wear a seat belt when I drive. Do I plan on crashing my car? Hell no, but its always a possibility. My situational awareness has greatly increased, which is arguably more important than being armed, but I'm simply being prepared.

The real problem is that most of the population is in complete and utter denial that there are bad people out there who are fully willing to kill/hurt you for little to no reason. Hell, just the other day a local store got robbed, and the cashier was shot dead for no reason. The guy got the money, and shot them on the way out.

People who commit these crimes are not sane, rational people like you might be. Thats where the problem lies. You're applying reasoning to an unreasonable situation.
 
2012-07-31 12:34:30 PM  

qorkfiend: darwinpolice: Rapmaster2000: Roop told detectives Rainey should have respected his three "No Trespassing" signs

There's a new neighbor on my street who has posted "PRIVATE PROPERTY" signs in his front yard. I don't get it.

Do you live in Florida? Best respect the hell out of those signs, son.

Doesn't matter. A homeowner with a "No Trespassing" sign is not automatically promoted to judge, jury, and executioner.


Good luck with that attitude.

crab66: Alonjar: crab66: Typical paranoid gun nut.

Actually, I find your statement to be entirely illogical, as this guy was not in the least bit typical. As a matter of fact, he's about as far outside the normal spectrum as it gets.

...but hey, keep on projecting your world view.

You have a small penis.


Woo, you sure told him.

Jerk.

What's a meter reader?
 
2012-07-31 12:34:38 PM  

FrancoFile: I've said it before. Putting the "stand your ground" stuff into actual state legal codes just gives the paranoids more reason to do crap like this.


Paranoids don't really need extra reasons. They'll make up their own and use whatever convenient excuse they can. The fact is that, unless there's something very significant missing from the article, this is not a case of stand your ground applying. It's the case of a nutbar committing murder.

Also, stand your ground laws do a very good job of protecting people who actually are legitimately defending themselves from being prosecuted by over-zealous folks with an ax to grind.
 
2012-07-31 12:34:58 PM  
Amazing to see idiot trolls even attempting to be funny or justify this.


This guy was a ticking time-bomb waiting to go off. I hope he gets the chair for it.
 
2012-07-31 12:35:45 PM  
"I say my good man, I seem to have intercepted the bullet you fired from your pistol. So sorry bout that. This gaping hole in my gut is causing not a small amount of discomfort. Could I trouble you to finish me off?"
 
2012-07-31 12:37:00 PM  
NightOwl2255 SmartestFunniest 2012-07-31 12:35:45 PM


"I say my good man, I seem to have intercepted the bullet you fired from your pistol. So sorry bout that. This gaping hole in my gut is causing not a small amount of discomfort. Could I trouble you to finish me off?"


You sound threatening.
 
2012-07-31 12:38:04 PM  

Magorn: False analogy is false.

A car has a utlity to it that comes with some danger, as a society we've decided that the utility it provides outweighs its danger. A gun is a weapon. it has zero utltity other than the harming or taking of life.


and as a society we have decided that the utility of being allowed to arm ourselves outweigh the dangers. this nutbag and a few like him does not justify deciding otherwise.

50k people die on the roads every year. that's approaching over 125 people every day.
That is close to double the number of shooting deaths - and most of those are suicides.
The other half are mostly criminals.

Gun violence is a problem in this country. There is no denying it. However this guy is an anomaly and while what happened is an absolute tragedy he is not representative of the problem.
 
2012-07-31 12:38:37 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Roop told detectives Rainey should have respected his three "No Trespassing" signs

There's a new neighbor on my street who has posted "PRIVATE PROPERTY" signs in his front yard. I don't get it.


Some people are just touchy about it. The wife and I were looking at houses in a wooded community and every other one had some combination of NO TRESPASSING, PRIVATE PROPERTY and BEWARE OF DOG signs posted. It was a little scary.
 
2012-07-31 12:39:00 PM  

LittleSmitty: I have a 12 ga. pump for home defense. But I wouldn't consider using it unless someone was breaking into the house. When Florida simplified the permitting process for the CCW and made it pretty easy to obtain one, I considered it. Went as far as getting the paperwork, and ultimately decided it probably wasn't in my best interest to be toting a pistol on my person.

I'm going to have to reassess that decision. Not because I fear criminals so much, but because I never know if the next asshole that I tell to go f*ck himself is going to get all 2nd ammendmenty on me for calling out his dumbf*ckery.


or, you know, you could practice being a bit less hostile towards strangers.
 
2012-07-31 12:39:24 PM  

Ex_Parrot: Doesn't the act shooting a downed man in the back of the head "for effect" negate the standing of ones ground?

/Just curious


I don't think that "stand your ground" has been mentioned by anyone outside this thread.

There's an eyewitness to the crime that probably made the 911 call as well; this ain't no "gray area" shooting. But I may be wrong; they could botch this prosecution, too.
 
2012-07-31 12:41:05 PM  
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2012-07-31 12:42:04 PM  

factoryconnection: Ex_Parrot: Doesn't the act shooting a downed man in the back of the head "for effect" negate the standing of ones ground?

/Just curious

I don't think that "stand your ground" has been mentioned by anyone outside this thread.

There's an eyewitness to the crime that probably made the 911 call as well; this ain't no "gray area" shooting. But I may be wrong; they could botch this prosecution, too.


except for in the article.
it's right there in the headline.
 
2012-07-31 12:44:47 PM  
Guns are NOT a defense mechanism.

I say if you want to carry a gun in public and you're not LEO or hunting, you should be required to take every other possible defense measure. You should have to be wearing at least a protective vest, and some sort of rape-prevention underwear whenever you're in public. Along-side your gun holster you should also have a tazer and some pepper spray. Your house should be fitted with bulletproof windows. Only then should you be allowed to step outside your house with a gun.

The only time these restrictions wouldn't apply is if you are INSIDE your house. If you're in the driveway, or standing in an open doorway, you're effed unless you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you had a damn good reason for feeling threatened enough to go straight for that firearm.

I don't necessarily have a problem with concealed/open carry laws, but I'd rather make DAMN sure the person carrying isn't just some imbecile trying to increase the badassness of his image, or some paranoid "omigod i'm gonna get raped trying to get a slurpee at the 7-11" fool. Prove you can hit your target, and that you can properly evaluate the appropriate time to fire a weapon, and get reevaluated frequently. Otherwise carry a farking tazer or pepperspray.
 
2012-07-31 12:45:23 PM  

Thuull: Crazy? yup. Irresponsible gun owner? Yup.

Does not want anyone on his property and goes out of his way to post three signs saying so? Yup.

Bad things happening to bad people who do bad things...crappy story all around. The salesman however was unwelcome, knew he was unwelcome, completely disregarded the property owner's well stated wishes for the sanctity of his property, and paid for it. Can't say I feel sorry for the guy at all. If someone does not want to be bothered, and they let you know that, then you do not bother them...whether they are a crazy irresponsible gun owner or not does not matter in the least. Salesman got what was coming to him.


wrong. Wrong WRONG WRONG!

As stated REPEATEDLY in thread you could farking wallpaper your yard in no tresspassing signs and it doesn;t mean a got-damn thing, particularly not to people who might have legitimate business contacting you, including postal carriers, meter readers and , yes DOOR to DOOR salesmen. Why? because a simple "no thank you" is sufficent to send the salesman on his way and our laws were written by rational people not anti-social lunatics. And in most places your front lawn conveys with a public access easement that lets people walk over the majority of it for any reason they want to, without, and i cannot stress this enough, you being allowed to shoot them.
 
2012-07-31 12:47:42 PM  
It seems to me the main reason so many people here are chomping at the bit to use this example to mock/criticize the "Stand Your Ground" law as a straw man. So--in order to demonize the law--they are trying to link it to a case in which there is no way in hell it will be successfully raised as a defense. This guy's going to get convicted of murder, and "Stand your Ground" will have no part in the process.
 
2012-07-31 12:50:40 PM  

Thuull: Can't say I feel sorry for the guy at all. If someone does not want to be bothered, and they let you know that, then you do not bother them...whether they are a crazy irresponsible gun owner or not does not matter in the least. Salesman got what was coming to him.


then you are an asshole.

this guy was just trying to do his job and he ended up bleeding to death in some redneck's driveway.
Got what was coming to him? what a dipshiat
 
2012-07-31 12:52:36 PM  
Of course his name is Kenneth.

I hope he spends the rest of his days in a 5x5 box.

/condolences to Mr. Rainey's family and friends.
 
2012-07-31 12:54:58 PM  

Magorn: Thuull: Crazy? yup. Irresponsible gun owner? Yup.

Does not want anyone on his property and goes out of his way to post three signs saying so? Yup.

Bad things happening to bad people who do bad things...crappy story all around. The salesman however was unwelcome, knew he was unwelcome, completely disregarded the property owner's well stated wishes for the sanctity of his property, and paid for it. Can't say I feel sorry for the guy at all. If someone does not want to be bothered, and they let you know that, then you do not bother them...whether they are a crazy irresponsible gun owner or not does not matter in the least. Salesman got what was coming to him.

wrong. Wrong WRONG WRONG!

As stated REPEATEDLY in thread you could farking wallpaper your yard in no tresspassing signs and it doesn;t mean a got-damn thing, particularly not to people who might have legitimate business contacting you, including postal carriers, meter readers and , yes DOOR to DOOR salesmen. Why? because a simple "no thank you" is sufficent to send the salesman on his way and our laws were written by rational people not anti-social lunatics. And in most places your front lawn conveys with a public access easement that lets people walk over the majority of it for any reason they want to, without, and i cannot stress this enough, you being allowed to shoot them.


His failure to have a lawyer vet the language of his posted signs for possible future court use does not (in any reasonable person's mind) indicate that he did not clearly communicate his wishes to have no-one on his property. It is very easy to arm-chair quarterback which signs he should have had, which y'all have done most admirably here in this thread.

I'll agree that postal carriers, meter readers and other officials who have valid official reasons to be on said property to carry out their assigned duties would be an exception to a private owners rights to the sanctity of his property...but can't agree with the premise that a salesman of any sort has an inherent right to ignore the clearly stated wishes of the owner.
 
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