Do you have adblock enabled?
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(South Florida News-Press)   Florida man stands his ground, shoots door-to-door salesman in the head "for effect"   (news-press.com) divider line 344
    More: Florida, Cape Coral, Kenneth Roop, Florida Statutes, image zoom, electric meters, terraces, Ray Sotomayor, Blue Ribbon Steak  
•       •       •

15571 clicks; posted to Main » on 31 Jul 2012 at 10:55 AM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



344 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-07-31 11:36:57 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

BAM! BAM! BAM!

I felt threatened.
 
2012-07-31 11:38:29 AM  

doubled99: Mega Steve SmartestFunniest 2012-07-31 11:16:51 AM


Carn: If only the victim had been carrying a loaded assault rifle, this would never have happened.


If only there was a ban on assault rifles, this would never had happened...
oh, wait, it was handgun. Never mind.


*whoosh*
 
2012-07-31 11:38:56 AM  

crab66: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 275x400]

BAM! BAM! BAM!

I felt threatened.


EHRMARGERD, GRRL SCRT COORKERS!11

/just learned that meme yesterday
 
2012-07-31 11:40:14 AM  

crab66: Alonjar: crab66: Typical paranoid gun nut.

Actually, I find your statement to be entirely illogical, as this guy was not in the least bit typical. As a matter of fact, he's about as far outside the normal spectrum as it gets.

...but hey, keep on projecting your world view.

You have a small penis.


Your evident obsession with Alonjar's sexual organs is of no relevance to the current discussion.
 
2012-07-31 11:40:20 AM  
It's like the wild west down there in FL.
 
2012-07-31 11:41:05 AM  

RexTalionis: More and more of these nutjobs everyday and they always seem to be from Florida.


I don't know, this reminds me of guy on my block here in Colorado. Just saw the "for sale" sign go up, and we couldn't be happier.
 
2012-07-31 11:41:07 AM  

RembrandtQEinstein: There needs to be a national do-not door-spam list, with a private right of action against anyone who tries to market to you from your doorstep.


I have to say, a whole lot of my sympathy eroded when I read what this guy was doing, but the shooter didn't even get disturbed as he rolled into the driveway after the salesman had walked away from his door.

qorkfiend: Yes, that's right. This guy executed an unarmed man in his driveway.


That is the new thing in Florida these days. I've been informed that this keeps the terrorists from winning.
 
2012-07-31 11:41:09 AM  

jbuist: gilgigamesh: What do, NRA goons?

Well...

gilgigamesh: He was tried once for threatening a meter reader with a gun, but got acquitted.

Fix that. He should have been convicted of a crime for what he did. You can't start stripping away rights from people that were acquitted.


Yeah. About that. You wouldn't have been arrested if you weren't guilty. That's why arrest records show on background checks. And anything like acquittal shows up waaaaayyyyy in the back.
 
2012-07-31 11:42:56 AM  
1) They apparently completely f*cked the prosecution up from the first time he waved a gun at someone. Any other state, he probably would have been barred from firearm ownership after that

2) So what if he had 14 guns? It only took one for him to do this

3) This is not a responsible gun owner, why should responsible gun owners even try to explain this crazy person?
 
2012-07-31 11:44:13 AM  

ghare: jbuist: gilgigamesh: What do, NRA goons?

Well...

gilgigamesh: He was tried once for threatening a meter reader with a gun, but got acquitted.

Fix that. He should have been convicted of a crime for what he did. You can't start stripping away rights from people that were acquitted.

Yeah. About that. You wouldn't have been arrested if you weren't guilty. That's why arrest records show on background checks. And anything like acquittal shows up waaaaayyyyy in the back.


You are correct: individuals are never arrested for crimes that they have not committed; therefore, abridging Constitutionally protected liberties of individuals who have been arrested -- even if never convicted -- is justified.
 
2012-07-31 11:44:29 AM  

gilgigamesh: This is the kind of thing I would like to hear about from the NRA.

Its only through good fortune that one of the little kids on his block didn't get gunned down for "trespassing" by riding their bikes on the street. He was tried once for threatening a meter reader with a gun, but got acquitted.

The local cops, the prosecutor who tried him, everyone on the block knows it is only a matter of time before some poor soul who doesn't know better is going to step on his property and pay for it with his life.

Yet, he owns 14 guns, and could buy as many more as he wants, perfectly legally. Hell, according to Scalia, it may abridge his 2nd amendment rights to prohibit him from owning a rocket launcher.

What do, NRA goons?



He only needed one gun to shoot the salesman. I don't see how him having 14 guns is relevant.
 
2012-07-31 11:44:41 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: 1) They apparently completely f*cked the prosecution up from the first time he waved a gun at someone. Any other state, he probably would have been barred from firearm ownership after that

2) So what if he had 14 guns? It only took one for him to do this

3) This is not a responsible gun owner, why should responsible gun owners even try to explain this crazy person?


The No True Scotsman defense?
 
2012-07-31 11:45:04 AM  

Thorazine: It's like the wild west down there in FL.


Thats why they keep reducing law enforcement and justice budgets and broadening the definition of legalized murder. They don't want civilization. They would rather live like the Somalis.
 
2012-07-31 11:46:34 AM  

ScienceRocks: I don't know, this reminds me of guy on my block here in Colorado. Just saw the "for sale" sign go up, and we couldn't be happier.


We have one on my street, in the cul-de-sac section (obviously). He has had to speak to the police on multiple occasions regarding his harassment of passers-by and scrawling threats along the sidewalk (with his kids' pastel chalk). His wife is really sweet, though kinda throws off a very strong "I get beaten regularly" vibe. It was nice that he recently stopped flying the Gadsen flag and put up the stars and stripes, though.

The real shocker is that he's a short, bald, white, 40-something. Did not see that coming.
 
2012-07-31 11:47:21 AM  

farkityfarker: RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.

As already pointed out, a salesman is not considered a trespasser.


Not only that, but a "No Trespassing" sign is pretty dumb, since it just reiterates that there's a law that would apply, regardless of whether or not the sign was actually posted. Kind of like a "No Breaking and Entering" sign. It just repeats an already standing regulation, not a special condition of that one residence.

If it were a "No Solicitation" sign, then it would specifically inform salespeople that they're unwelcome and any further advance would be considered trespassing from that time forward. But "No Trespassing" just says "don't come here if you shouldn't" without specifying who that applies to.
 
2012-07-31 11:48:21 AM  

Baelz: I lived in Florida for 6 years, and when you get about 10 miles outside of any metropolitan city you find people like this guy every where.


I also lived in Florida for a while. Nice place to visit...
 
2012-07-31 11:48:23 AM  

RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.


I'm guessing that people like you were on the jury that let him go in his 2005 case. Learn the meaning of "trespassing". Also, the spelling.
 
2012-07-31 11:49:16 AM  
Salesman/scammer looks like a scumbag. Nothing of value was lost here.
 
2012-07-31 11:49:42 AM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Tat'dGreaser: 3) This is not a responsible gun owner, why should responsible gun owners even try to explain this crazy person?

The No True Scotsman defense?


This guy is pretty freaking clearly an irresponsible gun owner. I know lots of people with firearms; I know none that have ever pulled on anyone, except my old boss that scared off someone actively breaking into his house. That the prosecution bungled the meter-reader case is a black eye for them; competent law enforcement could have prevented this murder.

But this guy is a nutcase, a no-longer-ticking bomb.
 
2012-07-31 11:49:47 AM  

gilgigamesh:
What do, NRA goons?


The answer is always "More guns, everyone must have more guns. More guns safe. Guns guns guns."
 
2012-07-31 11:50:43 AM  
I used to have a freelance gig as a photographer shooting pictures of residences in the Orlando area for an internet start up company that was going to "revolutionize" the housing appraisal process and provide instant appraisal services for loan companies and banks (this is before the housing bubble burst) Any ways I would pick a zip code and get paid about 55 cents per residence that I photographed and matched up to the correct address. I could shoot and upload 300-500 a day. I would walk down the center of the street and take a photograph of each house and use a voice recorder to mark the location. I am surprised now I did not get shot. I had the police called on me daily, and I once had a dog attack. I would call the local jurisdiction when I was shooting in the area to let them know I was there and to expect the calls. Got confronted a few times as well. What I was doing was perfectly legal. But I now realize that I was taking my life into my own hands even though I never set foot on anyone's property.
 
2012-07-31 11:50:45 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Rapmaster2000

There's a new neighbor on my street who has posted "PRIVATE PROPERTY" signs in his front yard. I don't get it.


It means he doesn't want people on his property


Actually, all it says is that the property is privately owned. It says nothing about whether or not people are welcome to come onto it.
 
2012-07-31 11:50:56 AM  
Eagles409: I support gun rights and I support the castle doctrine, but this stand your ground law needs to go. We have too many nutjobs that seem like they are looking for an excuse to shoot someone and then justify it later.

Also, this guy needs to rot in hell. After reading the article, the other sales guy that was with him, said he sat for a bit before executing him. According to the article, he was lying face down on the driveway, bleeding, how is that threatening?


Paranoia and hero fantasy's will breed that. One only needs to look at any gun forum to see a lot of weekend warriors and 101st keyboardists that have never been under the opposite end of a gun, and are scared to death of death.

Guns are a means of last ditch effort in very bad situations. Thinking being armed is protecting yourself is foolish. It's akin to wearing a seat-belt in a 100mph crash. If you get lucky, it allows you the opportunity of better protection. Lucky being the key word. A gun isn't a shield.

Honestly, the best thing is to just accept that some things are out of your control, and horribly random; worrying and obsessing about them is not healthy. Is life worth it if you're paranoid and full of fear of it being taken away? Not in my book.
 
2012-07-31 11:51:25 AM  
Shooting a door-to-door salesman "for effect"? I believe in French we say "pour encourager les autres" (to encourage the others, or rather, to discourage the others).

But I would like to remind the gung-ho that the right to self-defence is posited on two constraints, namely 1) there should be a real threat to you which requires self-defence, a real and present danger, as they say in the security business, a cause, a real threat, and 2) your response should be appropriate and measured, limited to what is necessary to allow you to defend yourself, seek help, bring in the proper authorities.

For example, if a child sticky with jam attempts to hug you, shooting it in the face is not an appropriate and measured response, even though there is real and present danger of getting jam on your favorite golf shirt.

The basic idea of "stand your ground" in some people's mind seems to be: on my land, anything goes. I can shoot you for being there, regardless of who or what you are or why you are there. Stopping to ask for directions from a local: that's a shooting, wandering across an unmarked boundary while lost, that is definitely a shooting. This concept of stand your ground is strongest among conservatives yahoos and deranged individualists, which is to say, psychopaths. Oh, and illegal moonshiners and drug mongers.

On the other hand, the property owner and citizen may legitimately "stand their ground" against an attack or even an intruder. We've all seen reports of cases where the homeowner is charged for violence against a burglar. Some of these cases are legitimate self-defence, misconstrued by stupid cops, lawyers and judges, some of them are eggregious "standing your ground" in the wacko-Waco sense of being a complete sociopathic looney.

If there were fewer psychopaths and loonies going around abusing the concept of self-defence like Homer Simpson after his discovery of duelling (the tomacco episode), then there would be a Hell of a lot less gun related death and injury in the US and it would be more in sync with the rest of the "Civilized World" such as it is. Fewer racists, bigots, xenophobes, paranoids, conspiracy theorist nutters, and others of that ilk would get away with murder. In short, the profits of the firearms industry would decline.

But the firearms industry are the same SOBs who armed the Indians and the military that moved in and shot up the Indian villages and took away their land. They ran out of Indians but their tactics and strategy for selling more guns than anybody reasonably needs remain the same. Like lawyers, gun dealers have as much business as they drum up for themselves. And because of the flawed interpretation of the Constitition, of basic rights, of self-defence, and so forth, they can drum up a lot of business for themselves.

Twice as many gun deaths as in Canada, and at least 100 times as many as in Japan. Even countries where the gun culture is engrained, like Serbia (ethnic cleansing), Finland (hunting) and Switzerland (well-regulated state militias) have massively lower gun death levels because the faulty part of the gun, the trigger finger, is not on a hair-trigger.

I keep arguing for a common sense interpretation of the "right to bear arms". But despite the fact that just as many Americans want common sense as do citizens of other, less violent socities, they don't get it because the political system is rigged against honesty, truth, common sense, reason, science, facts, and sanity, not to mention democracy.

I'm not saying that the Parliamentary democracies are perfect--on the contrary, they too are rigged towards excessive conservatism (reaction we call it, when it is somebody else), especially those with Weeners the post adversarial systems in the British tradition, or the French Napoleonic Code or what not. But they do get the job done more in keeping with the two-thirds majority that is always in the political minority on such issues as gun control, gay marriage, etc.
 
2012-07-31 11:51:55 AM  

factoryconnection: That the prosecution bungled the meter-reader case is a black eye for them; competent law enforcement could have prevented this murder.

But this guy is a nutcase, a no-longer-ticking bomb.


If they did their f*cking job this guy never would have had guns. Florida DA seem to be more and more the biggest retards ever.

"Hey we have no direct evidence that Casey Anthony knowingly murdered her daughter but let's just go ahead and charger her for it anyway since Nancy Grace said we should"
 
2012-07-31 11:52:47 AM  

James!: If you pull a gun on a meter reader you should have your power shut off and your guns taken away.


He was "terrified"? Grow some farking balls.


THIS
 
2012-07-31 11:53:29 AM  

omtc: Hey, anybody know how Florida does process service? Do firms and individuals contract out for it, or does it all get farmed out to sheriff's departments?


Sheriffs office serves you with subpoena papers and notice to appear and divorce stuff. There are firms and individuals that contract out for stuff like liens and so forth on behalf of legal firms.

/process server called here last week trying to locate my ex wife
//happily provided assistance
 
2012-07-31 11:53:34 AM  

xanadian: Yeah, but, come ON! Who *hasn't* wanted to shoot a door-to-door salesman at least once in their lives?


that's the problem - he shot him twice

(sorry...not funny - this guy needs to rot in prison)
 
2012-07-31 11:54:55 AM  
Never bring a surf and turf dinner to a gun fight.
 
2012-07-31 11:55:18 AM  
THX 1138: farkityfarker: RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.

As already pointed out, a salesman is not considered a trespasser.

Not only that, but a "No Trespassing" sign is pretty dumb, since it just reiterates that there's a law that would apply, regardless of whether or not the sign was actually posted. Kind of like a "No Breaking and Entering" sign. It just repeats an already standing regulation, not a special condition of that one residence.

If it were a "No Solicitation" sign, then it would specifically inform salespeople that they're unwelcome and any further advance would be considered trespassing from that time forward. But "No Trespassing" just says "don't come here if you shouldn't" without specifying who that applies to.


You realize that's too smart and too much for the average American to understand.

Laws are those things that are written on paper that magically say exactly what they think in their head.
 
2012-07-31 11:56:09 AM  
Perillo said the children, between the ages of 4 and 8, would ride their bikes up and down the street.

"He kept saying if they step foot on my property, they're trespassing," she said.


Probably lucky he didn't shoot those menacing children riding their bikes.
 
2012-07-31 11:56:46 AM  

AirForceVet: Thanks Submitter. I've been wondering when this insane story would show up on Fark. Tried twice myself.

Death penalty is what I suggest for punishment. But they may argue he's just nutty about his Second Amendment rights.


hang him.
 
2012-07-31 11:57:01 AM  

numbone: Roop told detectives Rainey should have respected his three "No Trespassing" signs

encrypted-tbn0.google.com

But how am I going to shoot someone if I'm just standing around reading signs and books? I have to have the ability to get to my guns at a moment's notice--one of those damn salesmen might try to sell me a magazine subscription.

images.media.magnify.net
 
2012-07-31 11:57:21 AM  
Move over Palin and Bachman, the Tea Party has a new 'Maverick'.
 
2012-07-31 11:58:35 AM  
i160.photobucket.com

/Bus to Hell is now boarding
 
2012-07-31 11:58:54 AM  

RembrandtQEinstein: Too bad dude wasn't a better shot. Door spammers are scumbags and bad things should happen to them.

What gives them the right to disturb me to try to sell me useless shiat? fark then.

There needs to be a national do-not door-spam list, with a private right of action against anyone who tries to market to you from your doorstep.


go away
 
2012-07-31 11:59:14 AM  

gilgigamesh: This is the kind of thing I would like to hear about from the NRA.

Its only through good fortune that one of the little kids on his block didn't get gunned down for "trespassing" by riding their bikes on the street. He was tried once for threatening a meter reader with a gun, but got acquitted.

The local cops, the prosecutor who tried him, everyone on the block knows it is only a matter of time before some poor soul who doesn't know better is going to step on his property and pay for it with his life.

Yet, he owns 14 guns, and could buy as many more as he wants, perfectly legally. Hell, according to Scalia, it may abridge his 2nd amendment rights to prohibit him from owning a rocket launcher.

What do, NRA goons?


how about a better mental hygene law on the books
at the federal level with the same standards state to state.
lock up the crazy and the tards.
will someone just think of the kids for once
 
2012-07-31 12:01:02 PM  

LittleSmitty: omtc: Hey, anybody know how Florida does process service? Do firms and individuals contract out for it, or does it all get farmed out to sheriff's departments?

Sheriffs office serves you with subpoena papers and notice to appear and divorce stuff. There are firms and individuals that contract out for stuff like liens and so forth on behalf of legal firms.

/process server called here last week trying to locate my ex wife
//happily provided assistance



Ah. I just hung up my clipboard in a far more civilized state with just as many if not more guns. But we served everything. Every story like this hastened my exit.

On one hand, getting a pretty penny to drive around, smoking cigarettes, listening to music, periodically irritating someone. On the other, "for effect."

No thanks.
 
2012-07-31 12:01:22 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: So gun-grabbers, explain to me how this situation couldn't have been avoided by the salesman also carrying? Dude was a fool for not packing heat. You never know when some lunatic's gonna stand his ground in the most lethal manner possible.

An armed society is a polite society.


An armed society is what causes paranoid nutbags like this guy to shoot first and ask questions eventually.

"Oh shiat, some stranger in my driveway. He might be armed, better shoot him before he shoots me." BANG!

"Okay good, hit him in the shoulder. Uh-oh, he's turned over, he might be going for his gun, better execute him." BANG!
 
2012-07-31 12:01:56 PM  

RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.


4 extra esses. 4 extra esses. 4 extra esses. 4 extra esses.

not siding with the moron here.
 
2012-07-31 12:02:34 PM  

THX 1138: farkityfarker: RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.

As already pointed out, a salesman is not considered a trespasser.

Not only that, but a "No Trespassing" sign is pretty dumb, since it just reiterates that there's a law that would apply, regardless of whether or not the sign was actually posted. Kind of like a "No Breaking and Entering" sign. It just repeats an already standing regulation, not a special condition of that one residence.

If it were a "No Solicitation" sign, then it would specifically inform salespeople that they're unwelcome and any further advance would be considered trespassing from that time forward. But "No Trespassing" just says "don't come here if you shouldn't" without specifying who that applies to.


I don't think that is how it works. Laws dealing with solicitors, peddlers, canvassers, etc are usually done at the municipal level. The most that is usually done to curb door to door solicitations are laws requiring them to register and display a badge before knocking on doors, although there are some that have banned it totally. Just because someone has put up a sign doesn't make knocking on that door a crime. If the guy really didn't want people knocking on his door, he should have a perimeter fence and a locked gate.
 
2012-07-31 12:03:29 PM  

crab66: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 275x400]

BAM! BAM! BAM!

I felt threatened.


sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-07-31 12:04:44 PM  

RembrandtQEinstein: Too bad dude wasn't a better shot. Door spammers are scumbags and bad things should happen to them.

What gives them the right to disturb me to try to sell me useless shiat? fark then.

There needs to be a national do-not door-spam list, with a private right of action against anyone who tries to market to you from your doorstep.


It sounds like solicitors are causing a lot of headaches for you. You should consider petitioning the government for the right to not answer your door if you don't feel like it.
 
2012-07-31 12:06:31 PM  

Pathman: xanadian: Yeah, but, come ON! Who *hasn't* wanted to shoot a door-to-door salesman at least once in their lives?

that's the problem - he shot him twice

(sorry...not funny - this guy needs to rot in prison)


i have wanted to loose thee dogs on sales people but shooting them is a littel much i think
 
2012-07-31 12:08:37 PM  
Okay...I have to admit that I hate the ever-loving shia'thead out of door-to-door salesfolk, but there's no signing off on this obvious nutter. One less door-to-door jerk mitigates the situation, though, and I'll go with life w/o parole. Lock his ass up and throw away the key.
 
2012-07-31 12:10:22 PM  
Deadly force against door-to-door solicitors is entirely unjustified. The only solicitors against who deadly force is justified are email spammers.
 
2012-07-31 12:11:28 PM  
These are peop

TofuTheAlmighty: So gun-grabbers, explain to me how this situation couldn't have been avoided by the salesman also carrying? Dude was a fool for not packing heat. You never know when some lunatic's gonna stand his ground in the most lethal manner possible.

An armed society is a polite society.


This guy is obviously paranoid delusional and shouldn't have had a firearm. I mean he saw some guy walking toward him, started screaming, shot him, the guy started screaming so he started screaming and shot him again?

Guy's scared of the world.

Most gun owners are a brainwashed lot that believe guns are the only effective weapons, but most of them aren't insane. I go out armed with my bare hands and I carry with me the understanding that I may be confronted by an armed attacker and may have to defend myself with my bare hands.

This is fine for me: I have difficulty reconciling long-distance gun combat (it's dangerous, and my chances aren't great--it takes time to aim and fire) and I'm thinking it's terribly unlikely somebody is gonna want to snipe me from across the street. I'm more worried about people getting close and pulling a gun, which ... pulling MY gun would be too slow, and my chances are far greater using my hands. I should be able to react quick enough to block him from properly drawing a gun at me.

Can't shoot me if you can't point the gun at me, kolo? I guess that's where my thinking differs: a lot of people think of guns like swords, by which I mean they think of it as a defensive and offensive weapon. You don't need a shield with a sword because you can deflect the other sword; katana will break facing an English Half Bastard, but the Japanese are skilled enough to deflect swords with a soft wooden stick ... it's a matter of deflection, not blocking.

You can't shoot bullets out of the air, you're not that cool. Even if you take a gun into a knife fight, you're essentially charging into battle with no defensive plan. You hope you can shoot this guy in the head and win; failing that, he will stab you to death. While the knife wielder obviously has to contend with superior offense, he's going to be much better equipped to deal with you if your first shot misses: you have your bare hands, and if you're not trained to defend yourself from knife attacks he's going to slash your arms up before cutting your throat.

When you put two people with guns against each other, this becomes significant: both of you are just hoping to kill the other guy first, and neither of you can claim to have an offensive advantage. There will be no epic swordplay for the next few hours. There will be no sweating, no minor bleeding cuts, no thrill of battle, no pausing to appreciate and respect your opponent's skill between heart beats. One of you gets shot in the face, and that's the end of it. You won't deflect the attack and then take him down with the counter; you shot too slow, or you missed, or whatever, it doesn't matter because he shot you in the face. If you can fire first and fire fast, you could just pull and start shooting in that general direction and probably hit and win.

That's just how it works for me: if you're that far, I have a better chance running. Shooting back would take time, and by the time I could draw you could shoot, by the time I could aim you could shoot again... how much time can I spend standing around before you hit me? If you're close up, and you pull a gun, it takes at least as long for me to reach around and pull MY gun; since I'm reacting, you're going to win this one. At a distance protecting someone else, I'd have to get a clear headshot with no indication of squeezing the trigger, with perfect aim--I absolutely must kill this guy and I must do it perfectly and without him seeing the change from idly waving a gun and spouting hollow threats to actually pulling the trigger if I'm going to save the hostage. Guns don't magically make me an unstoppable, immortal, invulnerable battle lord.

If you're close up and you try to draw, I can quickly gain control of your arm/elbow/etc, preventing you from pointing the gun at me--which neutralizes it. If my hand-to-hand is particularly good and yours is not, there is a HIGH chance I can take the gun away from you--not to mention I'll dislocate your elbow anyway, because what moron wrestles around trying to take a gun from somebody? And if there's a hostage situation, I'd be less inclined to anger the attacker by pointing a firearm at him and daring him to shoot the hostage. If he DOES shoot the hostage, he's occupied, he needs to reload, he needs to aim, and I can rush across the ten foot gap and break his neck.

Firearms help when there's an attacker firing into the crowd. They help when there's a bunch of people carrying and waiting. They help when the situation has broken down. You can all rush the guy with the gun, but he's going to shoot some of you, he might hold off for quite a while--until he runs out of bullets even. On the other hand, a bunch of you can start firing, and take him down. If he's surrounded by crowd, someone can come from behind with bare hands, knife, pipe, nunchaku, whatever; otherwise seriously, just unload in that direction. None of this helps me in a dark alley, so I don't find a gun useful.

Really, what am I going to do? Point a large firearm at anybody who approaches me? (i.e. like the guy in TFA)
 
2012-07-31 12:11:59 PM  
Carn SmartestFunniest 2012-07-31 11:38:29 AM


doubled99: Mega Steve SmartestFunniest 2012-07-31 11:16:51 AM


Carn: If only the victim had been carrying a loaded assault rifle, this would never have happened.


If only there was a ban on assault rifles, this would never had happened...
oh, wait, it was handgun. Never mind.

*whoosh*



...aaaand right back atcha!
 
kgf
2012-07-31 12:13:34 PM  
Did we just find a poster child for "Florida Man"?
 
2012-07-31 12:14:29 PM  
images.wikia.com

No one seems to care about banksters and corporations running rough shod over laws, workers, and the environment.

But goddamn, any one mentions "GUNS!!!" everyone turns it s a farking second amendment lawyer, spouting this that and the other thing.

For christ sakes, you farking red neck gun morons, there are MORE IMPORTANT THINGS.

The Second Amendment isn't for you to shoot people on your property. It's to over throw tyranny.

Go kill some Banskters or CEOs. That's the Second Amendment I can support.
 
Displayed 50 of 344 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
Advertisement
On Twitter





In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report