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(South Florida News-Press)   Florida man stands his ground, shoots door-to-door salesman in the head "for effect"   (news-press.com ) divider line
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2012-07-31 11:12:19 AM  

crab66: Typical paranoid gun nut.


Actually, I find your statement to be entirely illogical, as this guy was not in the least bit typical. As a matter of fact, he's about as far outside the normal spectrum as it gets.

...but hey, keep on projecting your world view.
 
2012-07-31 11:12:38 AM  
So, he became a door-to-floor salesman.
 
2012-07-31 11:12:51 AM  
So, "I was in fear" is the new "He's coming right at us!"

//just checkin'
 
2012-07-31 11:14:35 AM  

Alonjar: crab66: Typical paranoid gun nut.

Actually, I find your statement to be entirely illogical, as this guy was not in the least bit typical. As a matter of fact, he's about as far outside the normal spectrum as it gets.

...but hey, keep on projecting your world view.


You have a small penis.
 
2012-07-31 11:14:40 AM  

czei: "Roop said he was still in fear and thought Rainey was reaching for something, so he shot Rainey once more in the back of the head, "for effect," the report said."

That is chilling. Can you imagine shooting someone in the back of the head "for effect"?


That's known as an execution.

Yes, that's right. This guy executed an unarmed man in his driveway.
 
2012-07-31 11:15:31 AM  

Rapmaster2000: muldoon: James!: If you pull a gun on a meter reader you should have your power shut off and your guns taken away.


He was "terrified"? Grow some farking balls.

I have seen meter readers, with a "uniform" of a blue tshirt with a small company logo, jump my back fence and just wander around the yard. No notification of them being there, just jump the fence and walk around. Not saying what he did was correct, but I can understand why a homeowner might investigate if they saw that.

Another reason why it's a good idea to go to wireless meters.

Of course, I imagine the people who are paranoid of meter readers are likely the ones who accuse wireless meters of being a UN plot to monitor our power consumption for the purposes of socialism and global domination.


This issue can be remedied by calling the utility co, and telling them you have dogs. They knock on our door when they come to read the meter that is on our back porch.
 
2012-07-31 11:16:51 AM  

Carn: If only the victim had been carrying a loaded assault rifle, this would never have happened.


suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com
 
2012-07-31 11:17:35 AM  
Allow the victim's next of kin to shoot this asshole twice in the back of the head, and take possession of his house for reparation.

Done.
 
2012-07-31 11:19:19 AM  

RembrandtQEinstein: What gives them the right to disturb me to try to sell me useless shiat?


Useless? The dude was selling STEAK.
 
2012-07-31 11:20:05 AM  
Roop told detectives Rainey should have respected his three "No Trespassing" signs

encrypted-tbn0.google.com
 
2012-07-31 11:20:19 AM  
He probably should have had a "no solicitors" sign instead. Salesmen usually respect those.
 
2012-07-31 11:20:31 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: telling police he was "in fear."

So that's it then, case closed. This is an innocent responsible legal gun owner that was standing his ground.


The poor baby. He should have had more guns, that would have made him feel safer.
 
2012-07-31 11:22:36 AM  

muldoon: James!: If you pull a gun on a meter reader you should have your power shut off and your guns taken away.


He was "terrified"? Grow some farking balls.

I have seen meter readers, with a "uniform" of a blue tshirt with a small company logo, jump my back fence and just wander around the yard. No notification of them being there, just jump the fence and walk around. Not saying what he did was correct, but I can understand why a homeowner might investigate if they saw that.


Not thar this applies to a door-to-door salesperson but utility workers and their agents have the authority to enter properties on or adjacent to the utilities right of way (gas, water, electric, sewer lines, communication wires, etc.,). If a citizen refuses to let the employee in, your service can be shut off. and in the event if a possible dangerous situation, they can make forced entry.

Philly just had another water main/sinkhole occur. Took out a intersection and possibly damaged eight houses. When the local media interviewed the Water Department spokesperson, it came out that the city run agency has a maximum liabilty cap on these incidents.
 
2012-07-31 11:22:46 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: So gun-grabbers, explain to me how this situation couldn't have been avoided by the salesman also carrying? Dude was a fool for not packing heat. You never know when some lunatic's gonna stand his ground in the most lethal manner possible.

An armed society is a polite society.


Probably the part where he was shot without provocation or warning, and then shot again as he was "searching for something".

The victim being armed would not have saved him.
 
2012-07-31 11:23:09 AM  

xanadian: Yeah, but, come ON! Who *hasn't* wanted to shoot a door-to-door salesman at least once in their lives?


Especially the meat and fish guys.
 
2012-07-31 11:23:09 AM  
This never happened to the salesmen in The Music Man.
 
2012-07-31 11:23:20 AM  
This has nothing to do with "stand your ground" and is why these nutjobs are under arrest.

"Stand Your Ground" is important for sane and law abiding people. Can't stop the nuts though.There will always be extremely unrational people who are armed.

All these laws and pieces of paper do is disarm people who follow them to begin with
 
2012-07-31 11:23:32 AM  

Sin_City_Superhero: RembrandtQEinstein: What gives them the right to disturb me to try to sell me useless shiat?

Useless? The dude was selling STEAK.


I came home once to find a crate of that stuff in my living room and my dog with this sh*t eating smile on her little fuzzy face. Never going to leave my credit card so low to the ground and unattended again.
 
2012-07-31 11:23:45 AM  

gilgigamesh: What do, NRA goons?


What, you honestly think the NRA condones executing unarmed and wounded people laying on the ground?

Really?

Is that all you guys can do these days, yell NRA BAD NRA BAD NRA BAAAA! BAAAA!
 
2012-07-31 11:24:16 AM  
This guy definately does not have both oars in the water. He needs the death penalty, or to be locked up forever.
 
2012-07-31 11:24:30 AM  

gilgigamesh: This is the kind of thing I would like to hear about from the NRA.

Its only through good fortune that one of the little kids on his block didn't get gunned down for "trespassing" by riding their bikes on the street. He was tried once for threatening a meter reader with a gun, but got acquitted.

The local cops, the prosecutor who tried him, everyone on the block knows it is only a matter of time before some poor soul who doesn't know better is going to step on his property and pay for it with his life.

Yet, he owns 14 guns, and could buy as many more as he wants, perfectly legally. Hell, according to Scalia, it may abridge his 2nd amendment rights to prohibit him from owning a rocket launcher.

What do, NRA goons?


Honestly the NRA preaches stiff penalty for gun crimes. Maximum penalty at the least. That is when the action is criminal. Like this criminal. Lock him up. No friend of mine. I still think that pedophile that shot trayvon is innocent of murder but this nut job from the article needs to go. He's all yours Florida.

/NRA life member
//NRA shooting instuctor.
 
2012-07-31 11:24:45 AM  

Dear Jerk: The right to keep and bear arms implies a limit of two.


www.missfidget.com

disagrees.
 
2012-07-31 11:24:46 AM  
Not to defend the guy's abhorrent crime, but don't come to my door trying to hock your steaks and lobster. I know where the Wal-Mart meat section is, thanks.
 
2012-07-31 11:26:54 AM  

James!: If you pull a gun on a meter reader you should have your power shut off and your guns taken away.


He was "terrified"? Grow some farking balls.


He wasn't terrified at all. He beleives that uttering the phrase is a get out of jail free card.

Screw Florida
 
2012-07-31 11:27:15 AM  
Wow. This story is all kinds of f*cked up. I'm a fairly liberal minded type of guy, but I also own guns. I don't carry one around, though, hoping for the chance to use them. Far from it, I hope I NEVER have to use it in anger or fear. Would rather let them sit unless I take them out to the range for some practice. Guys like this give regular gun owners a bad name. Shooting the guy in the back of the head when he was "reaching" for something (probably his phone so he could call the police/EMTs/etc.) is crazy. He probably finished him off figuring "Well, I will just say I was scared. I can't lose!" Probably thought he would get away with it and have successfully lived his dream of killin' a dude who didn't get off his lawn. Hopefully he gets put away for a LOOOOOONG hard time.
 
2012-07-31 11:27:32 AM  
3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.
 
2012-07-31 11:27:38 AM  
You'd think after the meter reader incident there would have been a probation period of confiscating his weapons. But then I remembered that they couldn't convict him in that case. It's a damn shame.
 
2012-07-31 11:28:38 AM  
Mega Steve SmartestFunniest 2012-07-31 11:16:51 AM


Carn: If only the victim had been carrying a loaded assault rifle, this would never have happened.



If only there was a ban on assault rifles, this would never had happened...
oh, wait, it was handgun. Never mind.
 
2012-07-31 11:29:04 AM  

kungfu jesus with a side of lime: This is a messed up story, but I am sure that there will be pleanty of people to spin this into a reasonable incident, if not make the shooter out to be a hero. I assume the salesman was black, that is why the guy felt unsafe...


Hmm. If only there were a way to find out. Like, I don't know, maybe read the farking article and look at the picture of the dead white salesman...
 
2012-07-31 11:29:09 AM  

RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.


As already pointed out, a salesman is not considered a trespasser.
 
2012-07-31 11:29:44 AM  
I lived in Florida for 6 years, and when you get about 10 miles outside of any metropolitan city you find people like this guy every where.
 
2012-07-31 11:30:02 AM  

karmaceutical: I'm fairly certain this guy is well known on a fishing forum I frequent from time to time. Most of it is fine, but a certain corner of it is like Stormfront on bath salts. If this guy is who I think he is, shooting a trespasser dead has been his much talked about fantasy for a long time.

Sad thing is, there are thousands more like this asshole.


link?
 
2012-07-31 11:30:03 AM  
I support gun rights and I support the castle doctrine, but this stand your ground law needs to go. We have too many nutjobs that seem like they are looking for an excuse to shoot someone and then justify it later.

Also, this guy needs to rot in hell. After reading the article, the other sales guy that was with him, said he sat for a bit before executing him. According to the article, he was lying face down on the driveway, bleeding, how is that threatening?
 
2012-07-31 11:30:28 AM  
Donna Perillo, who lived two doors down from Roop for about a year, said he was known as "the nut job from the block" and had called police several times on neighborhood children playing in the street near his home.

I'm betting if Roop someone avoids jail, the cops wouldn't expend that much effort into finding him if he went missing.

/Gators eat corpses rights?
 
2012-07-31 11:31:00 AM  

RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.


And I think you're a delusional farkwit.
 
2012-07-31 11:31:28 AM  
Florida's stand your ground law is so retarded that this guy might actually get off if he gets a good lawyer
 
2012-07-31 11:31:34 AM  

RembrandtQEinstein: Too bad dude wasn't a better shot. Door spammers are scumbags and bad things should happen to them.

What gives them the right to disturb me to try to sell me useless shiat? fark then.

There needs to be a national do-not door-spam list, with a private right of action against anyone who tries to market to you from your doorstep.


Your fark handle is in error.
 
2012-07-31 11:31:37 AM  

RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.


You're siding with someone who shot an unarmed man in the back of the head because he had a "No Trespassing" sign? Since when does having a "No Trespassing" sign make you judge, jury, and executioner?
 
2012-07-31 11:32:03 AM  
Goddammit so much.

What is with the crazies with guns lately?

Most of the people who own guns are responsible people. But these assholes make the rest of us look bad.
Like the one jackass who has to do 100mph wheelies down the interstate makes other motorcyle riders look bad.

And how does someone say "You shot me!" in a pleasant manner?
 
2012-07-31 11:32:34 AM  
They should make every single f*ing NRA offical view pictures of the victim. Close ups. In HD. During lunch.
 
2012-07-31 11:32:42 AM  
I submitted this a couple days ago, receiving a "bad kitty, this has already been submitted and redlit" with the headline "Did you hear the one about the traveling salesman?"
 
2012-07-31 11:33:07 AM  

randomjsa:
By the way do you know how Stand Your Ground laws get passed?

Because people who were legitimately protecting themselves or others from criminals have become a bunch of sniveling cowards looking for any excuse to murder someone to rationalize their terror of the world were being prosecuted by abusive police officers and other people in the justice system with an agenda.


FTFY

You just know that this dude thinks Rick Scott is a hero for swindling Medicare. Teabagger type with an itchy trigger finger and living in abject terror of anyone and anything that might disturb his freedumbs. A territorial animal who has no place in civilized society. 50 years ago this guy would have been institutionalized long since, and his right to possess a weapon revoked.
 
2012-07-31 11:33:22 AM  

randomjsa:

By the way do you know how Stand Your Ground laws get passed?

Because people who were legitimately protecting themselves or others from criminals were being prosecuted by abusive police officers and other people in the justice system with an agenda.


So what if he had hit the guy in the head with a hammer and had 14 hammers? Would we be asking what the NHA would do to prohibit this? Well? We need more laws to prevent people from defending themselves from criminals because that will somehow stop this from happening.

Here's a guy who killed a door to door salesman with a hammer. Link

To me some of this is the DA's fault for not being able to prosecute and get this guy rehabilitated when he pulled a gun on a meter reader. That's a red flag of this guy's mental stability and they could've done something about it then.
 
2012-07-31 11:33:32 AM  

silverjets: Wow.

How pathetic of a life do you have to lead to be so in fear that you shoot someone for simply walking towards you??

Good god, what is wrong with people today?


They're pants-shiatting pussies.
 
2012-07-31 11:35:38 AM  

Alonjar: crab66: Typical paranoid gun nut.

Actually, I find your statement to be entirely illogical, as this guy was not in the least bit typical. As a matter of fact, he's about as far outside the normal spectrum as it gets.

...but hey, keep on projecting your world view.


Actually, while the whackjob in question is not typical of gun-owners in general, he is a textbook example of "paranoid gun nuts".
 
2012-07-31 11:36:19 AM  

youbusted: karmaceutical: I'm fairly certain this guy is well known on a fishing forum I frequent from time to time. Most of it is fine, but a certain corner of it is like Stormfront on bath salts. If this guy is who I think he is, shooting a trespasser dead has been his much talked about fantasy for a long time.

Sad thing is, there are thousands more like this asshole.

link?


I checked, and they aren't talking about this yet. They are still talking about a recent "good" shooting in which some teenager was killed breaking into someone's house.
 
2012-07-31 11:36:36 AM  

Rapmaster2000


There's a new neighbor on my street who has posted "PRIVATE PROPERTY" signs in his front yard. I don't get it.


It means he doesn't want people on his property.


:-)
 
2012-07-31 11:36:43 AM  
They bring a frozen steak, you bring a gun.

They put you on a mailing list, you put them in the morgue!

That's the Florida way!
 
2012-07-31 11:36:44 AM  

gilgigamesh: This is the kind of thing I would like to hear about from the NRA.

Its only through good fortune that one of the little kids on his block didn't get gunned down for "trespassing" by riding their bikes on the street. He was tried once for threatening a meter reader with a gun, but got acquitted.

The local cops, the prosecutor who tried him, everyone on the block knows it is only a matter of time before some poor soul who doesn't know better is going to step on his property and pay for it with his life.

Yet, he owns 14 guns, and could buy as many more as he wants, perfectly legally. Hell, according to Scalia, it may abridge his 2nd amendment rights to prohibit him from owning a rocket launcher.

What do, NRA goons?


Stop, already

You're beclowning yourself

Next thing we know you'll be wanting to ban children running with scissors, cars because they're dangerous and all gasoline sales because the Joker can use it as a flamethrower.
 
2012-07-31 11:36:51 AM  
Maybe they should pass some federal laws against insanity.

Oh, wait, it's Florida. Never mind.
 
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