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(South Florida News-Press)   Florida man stands his ground, shoots door-to-door salesman in the head "for effect"   (news-press.com) divider line 344
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2012-07-31 09:54:38 AM  
Thanks Submitter. I've been wondering when this insane story would show up on Fark. Tried twice myself.

Death penalty is what I suggest for punishment. But they may argue he's just nutty about his Second Amendment rights.
 
2012-07-31 10:05:28 AM  
This is the kind of thing I would like to hear about from the NRA.

Its only through good fortune that one of the little kids on his block didn't get gunned down for "trespassing" by riding their bikes on the street. He was tried once for threatening a meter reader with a gun, but got acquitted.

The local cops, the prosecutor who tried him, everyone on the block knows it is only a matter of time before some poor soul who doesn't know better is going to step on his property and pay for it with his life.

Yet, he owns 14 guns, and could buy as many more as he wants, perfectly legally. Hell, according to Scalia, it may abridge his 2nd amendment rights to prohibit him from owning a rocket launcher.

What do, NRA goons?
 
2012-07-31 10:07:01 AM  
As Rainey drew within 4 feet, Roop grabbed his 9mm Glock from his pocket and fired once, striking Rainey in the shoulder, he told police. Rainey fell to the ground, screaming, 'You shot me,' in what Roop described as an "antagonistic" manner, according to the report.

I have honest-to-god never heard a person say "YOU SHOT ME!" in anything other than an antagonistic/hostile manner.

This guy needs to be put down. It was only a matter of time before he shot someone. I bet his life's dream has been to shoot someone, then along comes Mr. door-to-door steak-n-lobster salesman, and it's his dream come true.
 
2012-07-31 10:07:04 AM  
I suppose this poor guy who has to make a living selling door to door to nutjobs just paid the price of our freedom with his life? Is that it?
 
2012-07-31 10:20:12 AM  
More and more of these nutjobs everyday and they always seem to be from Florida.
 
2012-07-31 10:23:34 AM  
If you pull a gun on a meter reader you should have your power shut off and your guns taken away.


He was "terrified"? Grow some farking balls.
 
2012-07-31 10:25:31 AM  

scottydoesntknow: I have honest-to-god never heard a person say "YOU SHOT ME!" in anything other than an antagonistic/hostile manner.


How many people have you heard saying this?
 
2012-07-31 10:33:36 AM  
Yeah, but, come ON! Who *hasn't* wanted to shoot a door-to-door salesman at least once in their lives?
 
2012-07-31 10:35:07 AM  

RexTalionis: More and more of these nutjobs everyday and they always seem to be from Florida.


It's the heat. It addles their brains.
 
2012-07-31 10:36:23 AM  

wxboy: scottydoesntknow: I have honest-to-god never heard a person say "YOU SHOT ME!" in anything other than an antagonistic/hostile manner.

How many people have you heard saying this?


I've watched quite a few movies

www.wearysloth.com

Mustafa: You shot me!
Mustafa: You shot me right in the arm!
 
2012-07-31 10:41:15 AM  

gilgigamesh: Yet, he owns 14 guns, and could buy as many more as he wants, perfectly legally. Hell, according to Scalia, it may abridge his 2nd amendment rights to prohibit him from owning a rocket launcher.


I'm curious as to why you think it could possibly matter how many he owns. He only needed to use one.

I think the more serious issue is that a man that was known to be mentally disturbed - and obviously so - had no problem getting guns.
 
2012-07-31 10:43:32 AM  

gilgigamesh: What do, NRA goons?


Well...

gilgigamesh: He was tried once for threatening a meter reader with a gun, but got acquitted.


Fix that. He should have been convicted of a crime for what he did. You can't start stripping away rights from people that were acquitted.
 
2012-07-31 10:45:21 AM  

MacEnvy: gilgigamesh: Yet, he owns 14 guns, and could buy as many more as he wants, perfectly legally. Hell, according to Scalia, it may abridge his 2nd amendment rights to prohibit him from owning a rocket launcher.

I'm curious as to why you think it could possibly matter how many he owns. He only needed to use one.

I think the more serious issue is that a man that was known to be mentally disturbed - and obviously so - had no problem getting guns.


Why was he allowed to have them after pulling one on a meter reader? Isn't that what those checks on people are for? He obviously was a bit unhinged.
Salesman should have noticed no trespassing signs but didn't deserve to die; water hose maybe.
 
2012-07-31 10:51:41 AM  
rot in prison, scumbag.
 
2012-07-31 10:58:52 AM  
Roop told detectives Rainey should have respected his three "No Trespassing" signs

There's a new neighbor on my street who has posted "PRIVATE PROPERTY" signs in his front yard. I don't get it.
 
2012-07-31 11:00:25 AM  
It's good to know that the Stand Your Ground law is only being applied in completely reasonable circumstances, and is in no way encouraging people to shoot other people because they feel like they are backed by the law.
 
2012-07-31 11:00:52 AM  
Waiting for the gun boosters to show up. This oughta be good.

/popcorn
 
2012-07-31 11:01:40 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Roop told detectives Rainey should have respected his three "No Trespassing" signs

There's a new neighbor on my street who has posted "PRIVATE PROPERTY" signs in his front yard. I don't get it.


Do you live in Florida? Best respect the hell out of those signs, son.
 
2012-07-31 11:03:08 AM  

Moosecakes: It's good to know that the Stand Your Ground law is only being applied in completely reasonable circumstances, and is in no way encouraging people to shoot other people because they feel like they are backed by the law.


You don't think a "Shoot First" mentality is beneficial for society at large?
 
2012-07-31 11:03:32 AM  
B-b-but Obama is gonna take all your guns !!!!1!!
 
2012-07-31 11:03:49 AM  

darwinpolice: Rapmaster2000: Roop told detectives Rainey should have respected his three "No Trespassing" signs

There's a new neighbor on my street who has posted "PRIVATE PROPERTY" signs in his front yard. I don't get it.

Do you live in Florida? Best respect the hell out of those signs, son.


Doesn't matter. A homeowner with a "No Trespassing" sign is not automatically promoted to judge, jury, and executioner.
 
2012-07-31 11:04:04 AM  
And here is the other side of the argument for gun ownership.

For what it's worth, though... This guy must really be nutty. Anyone that big and burly shouldn't need to carry protection.
 
2012-07-31 11:04:23 AM  
Why is it that these shooters believe that other people's lives are meaningless but their's are sacred?
I have no problem if the nutjobs pop themselves, as long as no one else is endangered.
 
2012-07-31 11:04:33 AM  
This is a messed up story, but I am sure that there will be pleanty of people to spin this into a reasonable incident, if not make the shooter out to be a hero. I assume the salesman was black, that is why the guy felt unsafe...
 
2012-07-31 11:04:47 AM  
If only the victim had been carrying a loaded assault rifle, this would never have happened.
 
2012-07-31 11:05:16 AM  
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2012-07-31 11:05:31 AM  
Wow.

How pathetic of a life do you have to lead to be so in fear that you shoot someone for simply walking towards you??

Good god, what is wrong with people today?
 
2012-07-31 11:05:37 AM  
telling police he was "in fear."

So that's it then, case closed. This is an innocent responsible legal gun owner that was standing his ground.
 
2012-07-31 11:05:39 AM  

James!: If you pull a gun on a meter reader you should have your power shut off and your guns taken away.


He was "terrified"? Grow some farking balls.


I have seen meter readers, with a "uniform" of a blue tshirt with a small company logo, jump my back fence and just wander around the yard. No notification of them being there, just jump the fence and walk around. Not saying what he did was correct, but I can understand why a homeowner might investigate if they saw that.
 
2012-07-31 11:06:41 AM  
Typical paranoid gun nut.
 
2012-07-31 11:06:57 AM  

gilgigamesh: This is the kind of thing I would like to hear about from the NRA.

Its only through good fortune that one of the little kids on his block didn't get gunned down for "trespassing" by riding their bikes on the street. He was tried once for threatening a meter reader with a gun, but got acquitted.

The local cops, the prosecutor who tried him, everyone on the block knows it is only a matter of time before some poor soul who doesn't know better is going to step on his property and pay for it with his life.

Yet, he owns 14 guns, and could buy as many more as he wants, perfectly legally. Hell, according to Scalia, it may abridge his 2nd amendment rights to prohibit him from owning a rocket launcher.

What do, NRA goons?


Not an NRA goon, but I'd reply.... he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. If he illegally owned these guns, would you yell that gun control obviously doesn't work? No, you wouldn't.

And I don't think he should have guns, but making them illegal likely would not have stopped this person. Declaring them illegal won't eliminate them. It's like saying if we ban drugs people will stop using them....
 
2012-07-31 11:07:26 AM  

darwinpolice: Rapmaster2000: Roop told detectives Rainey should have respected his three "No Trespassing" signs

There's a new neighbor on my street who has posted "PRIVATE PROPERTY" signs in his front yard. I don't get it.

Do you live in Florida? Best respect the hell out of those signs, son.


IANAL, but it's my understanding that without a physical gate on the driveway itself, NO TRESSPASSING signs are not meant to include the driveway or any walkway to the front door. Precedent may be different in Florida, but there is a reasonable expectation that one can walk to a stranger's front door and not be assumed to be tresspassing.
 
2012-07-31 11:07:29 AM  
Too bad dude wasn't a better shot. Door spammers are scumbags and bad things should happen to them.

What gives them the right to disturb me to try to sell me useless shiat? fark then.

There needs to be a national do-not door-spam list, with a private right of action against anyone who tries to market to you from your doorstep.
 
2012-07-31 11:07:40 AM  

silverjets: Wow.

How pathetic of a life do you have to lead to be so in fear that you shoot someone for simply walking towards you??

Good god, what is wrong with people today?


They're told they are heroes protecting America for feeling this way.
 
2012-07-31 11:07:46 AM  
I'm fairly certain this guy is well known on a fishing forum I frequent from time to time. Most of it is fine, but a certain corner of it is like Stormfront on bath salts. If this guy is who I think he is, shooting a trespasser dead has been his much talked about fantasy for a long time.

Sad thing is, there are thousands more like this asshole.
 
2012-07-31 11:07:52 AM  
I'll bet this guy's got a fine frisbee collection on his roof.
 
2012-07-31 11:08:00 AM  
Hey, anybody know how Florida does process service? Do firms and individuals contract out for it, or does it all get farmed out to sheriff's departments?
 
2012-07-31 11:08:49 AM  
Perillo said the children, between the ages of 4 and 8, would ride their bikes up and down the street.

"He kept saying if they step foot on my property, they're trespassing," she said.

Each time, officers came and talked to the man and told him the kids were allowed to play in the street, she said.



Not entirely sure why he remained free the first couple times, after telling police he would shoot children.

At least bail was denied.

Wouldn't that be fun for the judge to tell him 'Just think about your home, unguarded. Maybe there are police, or thieves, going through your things. Walking all over your yard. Maybe they left all the doors wide open. Right now. Who knows what's going on there now?'
 
2012-07-31 11:09:01 AM  

muldoon: James!: If you pull a gun on a meter reader you should have your power shut off and your guns taken away.


He was "terrified"? Grow some farking balls.

I have seen meter readers, with a "uniform" of a blue tshirt with a small company logo, jump my back fence and just wander around the yard. No notification of them being there, just jump the fence and walk around. Not saying what he did was correct, but I can understand why a homeowner might investigate if they saw that.


Yes. Investigate. Not "shoot on sight".
 
2012-07-31 11:09:15 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Why was he allowed to have them after pulling one on a meter reader? Isn't that what those checks on people are for? He obviously was a bit unhinged.
Salesman should have noticed no trespassing signs but didn't deserve to die; water hose maybe.


A jury found him not guilty of committing any crime in the meter reader incident, and thus it could not be used to deny him a firearm.

The guy deserves the death penalty, end of story.

With that said, I imagine the Blue Ribbon Steak and Seafood company will be encouraging their employees to heed no trespassing signs in the future.

/Wonder if the victim looked shady or if the shooter was just plain batshiat crazy
 
2012-07-31 11:09:32 AM  
"Roop said he was still in fear and thought Rainey was reaching for something, so he shot Rainey once more in the back of the head, "for effect," the report said."

That is chilling. Can you imagine shooting someone in the back of the head "for effect"?
 
2012-07-31 11:09:42 AM  
I dont know....

Those Kirby Vacuum salesmen are the most annoying assholes on earth. This may be justified.
 
2012-07-31 11:09:44 AM  

gilgigamesh: Yet, he owns 14 guns, and could buy as many more as he wants, perfectly legally. Hell, according to Scalia, it may abridge his 2nd amendment rights to prohibit him from owning a rocket launcher.

What do, NRA goons?


"The liberal sites done told me something and I will believe it no matter what!"

Scalia said no such thing. In fact, he said precisely the opposite and stated that the government could place some limits and regulations on guns.

And why do people run around screaming "Well what now NRA!?"

I'm not even a member but I'm not so stupid and uninformed that I can't figure it out.

They will absolutely support prosecuting this guy. if the facts of the case are as indicated in the article.

By the way do you know how Stand Your Ground laws get passed?

Because people who were legitimately protecting themselves or others from criminals were being prosecuted by abusive police officers and other people in the justice system with an agenda.
 
2012-07-31 11:09:54 AM  

muldoon: James!: If you pull a gun on a meter reader you should have your power shut off and your guns taken away.


He was "terrified"? Grow some farking balls.

I have seen meter readers, with a "uniform" of a blue tshirt with a small company logo, jump my back fence and just wander around the yard. No notification of them being there, just jump the fence and walk around. Not saying what he did was correct, but I can understand why a homeowner might investigate if they saw that.


Another reason why it's a good idea to go to wireless meters.

Of course, I imagine the people who are paranoid of meter readers are likely the ones who accuse wireless meters of being a UN plot to monitor our power consumption for the purposes of socialism and global domination.
 
2012-07-31 11:09:56 AM  
The right to keep and bear arms implies a limit of two.
 
2012-07-31 11:10:25 AM  
He's gonna be in fear for the safety of his anus after this.

/the mentally disturbed should not be allowed access to guns
//gun ownership should be a privilege, not a right
 
2012-07-31 11:10:45 AM  
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2012-07-31 11:11:29 AM  
A door to door lobster salesman once sent his army of trained attack lobsters after my family. This is a perfectly reasonable response.
 
2012-07-31 11:11:49 AM  

qorkfiend: muldoon: James!: If you pull a gun on a meter reader you should have your power shut off and your guns taken away.


He was "terrified"? Grow some farking balls.

I have seen meter readers, with a "uniform" of a blue tshirt with a small company logo, jump my back fence and just wander around the yard. No notification of them being there, just jump the fence and walk around. Not saying what he did was correct, but I can understand why a homeowner might investigate if they saw that.

Yes. Investigate. Not "shoot on sight".


The meter reader thing was years ago and he was acquitted by a jury for it. Now it is being used to indicate he was a time bomb.

No, shoot on site is never the correct answer, I am not defending his use of force on the salesman, I am saying a previous event that he was acquitted for shouldn't be used as evidence that he was a quack. Use the current event to make him a quack.
 
2012-07-31 11:11:57 AM  
So gun-grabbers, explain to me how this situation couldn't have been avoided by the salesman also carrying? Dude was a fool for not packing heat. You never know when some lunatic's gonna stand his ground in the most lethal manner possible.

An armed society is a polite society.
 
2012-07-31 11:12:19 AM  

crab66: Typical paranoid gun nut.


Actually, I find your statement to be entirely illogical, as this guy was not in the least bit typical. As a matter of fact, he's about as far outside the normal spectrum as it gets.

...but hey, keep on projecting your world view.
 
2012-07-31 11:12:38 AM  
So, he became a door-to-floor salesman.
 
2012-07-31 11:12:51 AM  
So, "I was in fear" is the new "He's coming right at us!"

//just checkin'
 
2012-07-31 11:14:35 AM  

Alonjar: crab66: Typical paranoid gun nut.

Actually, I find your statement to be entirely illogical, as this guy was not in the least bit typical. As a matter of fact, he's about as far outside the normal spectrum as it gets.

...but hey, keep on projecting your world view.


You have a small penis.
 
2012-07-31 11:14:40 AM  

czei: "Roop said he was still in fear and thought Rainey was reaching for something, so he shot Rainey once more in the back of the head, "for effect," the report said."

That is chilling. Can you imagine shooting someone in the back of the head "for effect"?


That's known as an execution.

Yes, that's right. This guy executed an unarmed man in his driveway.
 
2012-07-31 11:15:31 AM  

Rapmaster2000: muldoon: James!: If you pull a gun on a meter reader you should have your power shut off and your guns taken away.


He was "terrified"? Grow some farking balls.

I have seen meter readers, with a "uniform" of a blue tshirt with a small company logo, jump my back fence and just wander around the yard. No notification of them being there, just jump the fence and walk around. Not saying what he did was correct, but I can understand why a homeowner might investigate if they saw that.

Another reason why it's a good idea to go to wireless meters.

Of course, I imagine the people who are paranoid of meter readers are likely the ones who accuse wireless meters of being a UN plot to monitor our power consumption for the purposes of socialism and global domination.


This issue can be remedied by calling the utility co, and telling them you have dogs. They knock on our door when they come to read the meter that is on our back porch.
 
2012-07-31 11:16:51 AM  

Carn: If only the victim had been carrying a loaded assault rifle, this would never have happened.


suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com
 
2012-07-31 11:17:35 AM  
Allow the victim's next of kin to shoot this asshole twice in the back of the head, and take possession of his house for reparation.

Done.
 
2012-07-31 11:19:19 AM  

RembrandtQEinstein: What gives them the right to disturb me to try to sell me useless shiat?


Useless? The dude was selling STEAK.
 
2012-07-31 11:20:05 AM  
Roop told detectives Rainey should have respected his three "No Trespassing" signs

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2012-07-31 11:20:19 AM  
He probably should have had a "no solicitors" sign instead. Salesmen usually respect those.
 
2012-07-31 11:20:31 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: telling police he was "in fear."

So that's it then, case closed. This is an innocent responsible legal gun owner that was standing his ground.


The poor baby. He should have had more guns, that would have made him feel safer.
 
2012-07-31 11:22:36 AM  

muldoon: James!: If you pull a gun on a meter reader you should have your power shut off and your guns taken away.


He was "terrified"? Grow some farking balls.

I have seen meter readers, with a "uniform" of a blue tshirt with a small company logo, jump my back fence and just wander around the yard. No notification of them being there, just jump the fence and walk around. Not saying what he did was correct, but I can understand why a homeowner might investigate if they saw that.


Not thar this applies to a door-to-door salesperson but utility workers and their agents have the authority to enter properties on or adjacent to the utilities right of way (gas, water, electric, sewer lines, communication wires, etc.,). If a citizen refuses to let the employee in, your service can be shut off. and in the event if a possible dangerous situation, they can make forced entry.

Philly just had another water main/sinkhole occur. Took out a intersection and possibly damaged eight houses. When the local media interviewed the Water Department spokesperson, it came out that the city run agency has a maximum liabilty cap on these incidents.
 
2012-07-31 11:22:46 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: So gun-grabbers, explain to me how this situation couldn't have been avoided by the salesman also carrying? Dude was a fool for not packing heat. You never know when some lunatic's gonna stand his ground in the most lethal manner possible.

An armed society is a polite society.


Probably the part where he was shot without provocation or warning, and then shot again as he was "searching for something".

The victim being armed would not have saved him.
 
2012-07-31 11:23:09 AM  

xanadian: Yeah, but, come ON! Who *hasn't* wanted to shoot a door-to-door salesman at least once in their lives?


Especially the meat and fish guys.
 
2012-07-31 11:23:09 AM  
This never happened to the salesmen in The Music Man.
 
2012-07-31 11:23:20 AM  
This has nothing to do with "stand your ground" and is why these nutjobs are under arrest.

"Stand Your Ground" is important for sane and law abiding people. Can't stop the nuts though.There will always be extremely unrational people who are armed.

All these laws and pieces of paper do is disarm people who follow them to begin with
 
2012-07-31 11:23:32 AM  

Sin_City_Superhero: RembrandtQEinstein: What gives them the right to disturb me to try to sell me useless shiat?

Useless? The dude was selling STEAK.


I came home once to find a crate of that stuff in my living room and my dog with this sh*t eating smile on her little fuzzy face. Never going to leave my credit card so low to the ground and unattended again.
 
2012-07-31 11:23:45 AM  

gilgigamesh: What do, NRA goons?


What, you honestly think the NRA condones executing unarmed and wounded people laying on the ground?

Really?

Is that all you guys can do these days, yell NRA BAD NRA BAD NRA BAAAA! BAAAA!
 
2012-07-31 11:24:16 AM  
This guy definately does not have both oars in the water. He needs the death penalty, or to be locked up forever.
 
2012-07-31 11:24:30 AM  

gilgigamesh: This is the kind of thing I would like to hear about from the NRA.

Its only through good fortune that one of the little kids on his block didn't get gunned down for "trespassing" by riding their bikes on the street. He was tried once for threatening a meter reader with a gun, but got acquitted.

The local cops, the prosecutor who tried him, everyone on the block knows it is only a matter of time before some poor soul who doesn't know better is going to step on his property and pay for it with his life.

Yet, he owns 14 guns, and could buy as many more as he wants, perfectly legally. Hell, according to Scalia, it may abridge his 2nd amendment rights to prohibit him from owning a rocket launcher.

What do, NRA goons?


Honestly the NRA preaches stiff penalty for gun crimes. Maximum penalty at the least. That is when the action is criminal. Like this criminal. Lock him up. No friend of mine. I still think that pedophile that shot trayvon is innocent of murder but this nut job from the article needs to go. He's all yours Florida.

/NRA life member
//NRA shooting instuctor.
 
2012-07-31 11:24:45 AM  

Dear Jerk: The right to keep and bear arms implies a limit of two.


www.missfidget.com

disagrees.
 
2012-07-31 11:24:46 AM  
Not to defend the guy's abhorrent crime, but don't come to my door trying to hock your steaks and lobster. I know where the Wal-Mart meat section is, thanks.
 
2012-07-31 11:26:54 AM  

James!: If you pull a gun on a meter reader you should have your power shut off and your guns taken away.


He was "terrified"? Grow some farking balls.


He wasn't terrified at all. He beleives that uttering the phrase is a get out of jail free card.

Screw Florida
 
2012-07-31 11:27:15 AM  
Wow. This story is all kinds of f*cked up. I'm a fairly liberal minded type of guy, but I also own guns. I don't carry one around, though, hoping for the chance to use them. Far from it, I hope I NEVER have to use it in anger or fear. Would rather let them sit unless I take them out to the range for some practice. Guys like this give regular gun owners a bad name. Shooting the guy in the back of the head when he was "reaching" for something (probably his phone so he could call the police/EMTs/etc.) is crazy. He probably finished him off figuring "Well, I will just say I was scared. I can't lose!" Probably thought he would get away with it and have successfully lived his dream of killin' a dude who didn't get off his lawn. Hopefully he gets put away for a LOOOOOONG hard time.
 
2012-07-31 11:27:32 AM  
3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.
 
2012-07-31 11:27:38 AM  
You'd think after the meter reader incident there would have been a probation period of confiscating his weapons. But then I remembered that they couldn't convict him in that case. It's a damn shame.
 
2012-07-31 11:28:38 AM  
Mega Steve SmartestFunniest 2012-07-31 11:16:51 AM


Carn: If only the victim had been carrying a loaded assault rifle, this would never have happened.



If only there was a ban on assault rifles, this would never had happened...
oh, wait, it was handgun. Never mind.
 
2012-07-31 11:29:04 AM  

kungfu jesus with a side of lime: This is a messed up story, but I am sure that there will be pleanty of people to spin this into a reasonable incident, if not make the shooter out to be a hero. I assume the salesman was black, that is why the guy felt unsafe...


Hmm. If only there were a way to find out. Like, I don't know, maybe read the farking article and look at the picture of the dead white salesman...
 
2012-07-31 11:29:09 AM  

RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.


As already pointed out, a salesman is not considered a trespasser.
 
2012-07-31 11:29:44 AM  
I lived in Florida for 6 years, and when you get about 10 miles outside of any metropolitan city you find people like this guy every where.
 
2012-07-31 11:30:02 AM  

karmaceutical: I'm fairly certain this guy is well known on a fishing forum I frequent from time to time. Most of it is fine, but a certain corner of it is like Stormfront on bath salts. If this guy is who I think he is, shooting a trespasser dead has been his much talked about fantasy for a long time.

Sad thing is, there are thousands more like this asshole.


link?
 
2012-07-31 11:30:03 AM  
I support gun rights and I support the castle doctrine, but this stand your ground law needs to go. We have too many nutjobs that seem like they are looking for an excuse to shoot someone and then justify it later.

Also, this guy needs to rot in hell. After reading the article, the other sales guy that was with him, said he sat for a bit before executing him. According to the article, he was lying face down on the driveway, bleeding, how is that threatening?
 
2012-07-31 11:30:28 AM  
Donna Perillo, who lived two doors down from Roop for about a year, said he was known as "the nut job from the block" and had called police several times on neighborhood children playing in the street near his home.

I'm betting if Roop someone avoids jail, the cops wouldn't expend that much effort into finding him if he went missing.

/Gators eat corpses rights?
 
2012-07-31 11:31:00 AM  

RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.


And I think you're a delusional farkwit.
 
2012-07-31 11:31:28 AM  
Florida's stand your ground law is so retarded that this guy might actually get off if he gets a good lawyer
 
2012-07-31 11:31:34 AM  

RembrandtQEinstein: Too bad dude wasn't a better shot. Door spammers are scumbags and bad things should happen to them.

What gives them the right to disturb me to try to sell me useless shiat? fark then.

There needs to be a national do-not door-spam list, with a private right of action against anyone who tries to market to you from your doorstep.


Your fark handle is in error.
 
2012-07-31 11:31:37 AM  

RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.


You're siding with someone who shot an unarmed man in the back of the head because he had a "No Trespassing" sign? Since when does having a "No Trespassing" sign make you judge, jury, and executioner?
 
2012-07-31 11:32:03 AM  
Goddammit so much.

What is with the crazies with guns lately?

Most of the people who own guns are responsible people. But these assholes make the rest of us look bad.
Like the one jackass who has to do 100mph wheelies down the interstate makes other motorcyle riders look bad.

And how does someone say "You shot me!" in a pleasant manner?
 
2012-07-31 11:32:34 AM  
They should make every single f*ing NRA offical view pictures of the victim. Close ups. In HD. During lunch.
 
2012-07-31 11:32:42 AM  
I submitted this a couple days ago, receiving a "bad kitty, this has already been submitted and redlit" with the headline "Did you hear the one about the traveling salesman?"
 
2012-07-31 11:33:07 AM  

randomjsa:
By the way do you know how Stand Your Ground laws get passed?

Because people who were legitimately protecting themselves or others from criminals have become a bunch of sniveling cowards looking for any excuse to murder someone to rationalize their terror of the world were being prosecuted by abusive police officers and other people in the justice system with an agenda.


FTFY

You just know that this dude thinks Rick Scott is a hero for swindling Medicare. Teabagger type with an itchy trigger finger and living in abject terror of anyone and anything that might disturb his freedumbs. A territorial animal who has no place in civilized society. 50 years ago this guy would have been institutionalized long since, and his right to possess a weapon revoked.
 
2012-07-31 11:33:22 AM  

randomjsa:

By the way do you know how Stand Your Ground laws get passed?

Because people who were legitimately protecting themselves or others from criminals were being prosecuted by abusive police officers and other people in the justice system with an agenda.


So what if he had hit the guy in the head with a hammer and had 14 hammers? Would we be asking what the NHA would do to prohibit this? Well? We need more laws to prevent people from defending themselves from criminals because that will somehow stop this from happening.

Here's a guy who killed a door to door salesman with a hammer. Link

To me some of this is the DA's fault for not being able to prosecute and get this guy rehabilitated when he pulled a gun on a meter reader. That's a red flag of this guy's mental stability and they could've done something about it then.
 
2012-07-31 11:33:32 AM  

silverjets: Wow.

How pathetic of a life do you have to lead to be so in fear that you shoot someone for simply walking towards you??

Good god, what is wrong with people today?


They're pants-shiatting pussies.
 
2012-07-31 11:35:38 AM  

Alonjar: crab66: Typical paranoid gun nut.

Actually, I find your statement to be entirely illogical, as this guy was not in the least bit typical. As a matter of fact, he's about as far outside the normal spectrum as it gets.

...but hey, keep on projecting your world view.


Actually, while the whackjob in question is not typical of gun-owners in general, he is a textbook example of "paranoid gun nuts".
 
2012-07-31 11:36:19 AM  

youbusted: karmaceutical: I'm fairly certain this guy is well known on a fishing forum I frequent from time to time. Most of it is fine, but a certain corner of it is like Stormfront on bath salts. If this guy is who I think he is, shooting a trespasser dead has been his much talked about fantasy for a long time.

Sad thing is, there are thousands more like this asshole.

link?


I checked, and they aren't talking about this yet. They are still talking about a recent "good" shooting in which some teenager was killed breaking into someone's house.
 
2012-07-31 11:36:36 AM  

Rapmaster2000


There's a new neighbor on my street who has posted "PRIVATE PROPERTY" signs in his front yard. I don't get it.


It means he doesn't want people on his property.


:-)
 
2012-07-31 11:36:43 AM  
They bring a frozen steak, you bring a gun.

They put you on a mailing list, you put them in the morgue!

That's the Florida way!
 
2012-07-31 11:36:44 AM  

gilgigamesh: This is the kind of thing I would like to hear about from the NRA.

Its only through good fortune that one of the little kids on his block didn't get gunned down for "trespassing" by riding their bikes on the street. He was tried once for threatening a meter reader with a gun, but got acquitted.

The local cops, the prosecutor who tried him, everyone on the block knows it is only a matter of time before some poor soul who doesn't know better is going to step on his property and pay for it with his life.

Yet, he owns 14 guns, and could buy as many more as he wants, perfectly legally. Hell, according to Scalia, it may abridge his 2nd amendment rights to prohibit him from owning a rocket launcher.

What do, NRA goons?


Stop, already

You're beclowning yourself

Next thing we know you'll be wanting to ban children running with scissors, cars because they're dangerous and all gasoline sales because the Joker can use it as a flamethrower.
 
2012-07-31 11:36:51 AM  
Maybe they should pass some federal laws against insanity.

Oh, wait, it's Florida. Never mind.
 
2012-07-31 11:36:57 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

BAM! BAM! BAM!

I felt threatened.
 
2012-07-31 11:38:29 AM  

doubled99: Mega Steve SmartestFunniest 2012-07-31 11:16:51 AM


Carn: If only the victim had been carrying a loaded assault rifle, this would never have happened.


If only there was a ban on assault rifles, this would never had happened...
oh, wait, it was handgun. Never mind.


*whoosh*
 
2012-07-31 11:38:56 AM  

crab66: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 275x400]

BAM! BAM! BAM!

I felt threatened.


EHRMARGERD, GRRL SCRT COORKERS!11

/just learned that meme yesterday
 
2012-07-31 11:40:14 AM  

crab66: Alonjar: crab66: Typical paranoid gun nut.

Actually, I find your statement to be entirely illogical, as this guy was not in the least bit typical. As a matter of fact, he's about as far outside the normal spectrum as it gets.

...but hey, keep on projecting your world view.

You have a small penis.


Your evident obsession with Alonjar's sexual organs is of no relevance to the current discussion.
 
2012-07-31 11:40:20 AM  
It's like the wild west down there in FL.
 
2012-07-31 11:41:05 AM  

RexTalionis: More and more of these nutjobs everyday and they always seem to be from Florida.


I don't know, this reminds me of guy on my block here in Colorado. Just saw the "for sale" sign go up, and we couldn't be happier.
 
2012-07-31 11:41:07 AM  

RembrandtQEinstein: There needs to be a national do-not door-spam list, with a private right of action against anyone who tries to market to you from your doorstep.


I have to say, a whole lot of my sympathy eroded when I read what this guy was doing, but the shooter didn't even get disturbed as he rolled into the driveway after the salesman had walked away from his door.

qorkfiend: Yes, that's right. This guy executed an unarmed man in his driveway.


That is the new thing in Florida these days. I've been informed that this keeps the terrorists from winning.
 
2012-07-31 11:41:09 AM  

jbuist: gilgigamesh: What do, NRA goons?

Well...

gilgigamesh: He was tried once for threatening a meter reader with a gun, but got acquitted.

Fix that. He should have been convicted of a crime for what he did. You can't start stripping away rights from people that were acquitted.


Yeah. About that. You wouldn't have been arrested if you weren't guilty. That's why arrest records show on background checks. And anything like acquittal shows up waaaaayyyyy in the back.
 
2012-07-31 11:42:56 AM  
1) They apparently completely f*cked the prosecution up from the first time he waved a gun at someone. Any other state, he probably would have been barred from firearm ownership after that

2) So what if he had 14 guns? It only took one for him to do this

3) This is not a responsible gun owner, why should responsible gun owners even try to explain this crazy person?
 
2012-07-31 11:44:13 AM  

ghare: jbuist: gilgigamesh: What do, NRA goons?

Well...

gilgigamesh: He was tried once for threatening a meter reader with a gun, but got acquitted.

Fix that. He should have been convicted of a crime for what he did. You can't start stripping away rights from people that were acquitted.

Yeah. About that. You wouldn't have been arrested if you weren't guilty. That's why arrest records show on background checks. And anything like acquittal shows up waaaaayyyyy in the back.


You are correct: individuals are never arrested for crimes that they have not committed; therefore, abridging Constitutionally protected liberties of individuals who have been arrested -- even if never convicted -- is justified.
 
2012-07-31 11:44:29 AM  

gilgigamesh: This is the kind of thing I would like to hear about from the NRA.

Its only through good fortune that one of the little kids on his block didn't get gunned down for "trespassing" by riding their bikes on the street. He was tried once for threatening a meter reader with a gun, but got acquitted.

The local cops, the prosecutor who tried him, everyone on the block knows it is only a matter of time before some poor soul who doesn't know better is going to step on his property and pay for it with his life.

Yet, he owns 14 guns, and could buy as many more as he wants, perfectly legally. Hell, according to Scalia, it may abridge his 2nd amendment rights to prohibit him from owning a rocket launcher.

What do, NRA goons?



He only needed one gun to shoot the salesman. I don't see how him having 14 guns is relevant.
 
2012-07-31 11:44:41 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: 1) They apparently completely f*cked the prosecution up from the first time he waved a gun at someone. Any other state, he probably would have been barred from firearm ownership after that

2) So what if he had 14 guns? It only took one for him to do this

3) This is not a responsible gun owner, why should responsible gun owners even try to explain this crazy person?


The No True Scotsman defense?
 
2012-07-31 11:45:04 AM  

Thorazine: It's like the wild west down there in FL.


Thats why they keep reducing law enforcement and justice budgets and broadening the definition of legalized murder. They don't want civilization. They would rather live like the Somalis.
 
2012-07-31 11:46:34 AM  

ScienceRocks: I don't know, this reminds me of guy on my block here in Colorado. Just saw the "for sale" sign go up, and we couldn't be happier.


We have one on my street, in the cul-de-sac section (obviously). He has had to speak to the police on multiple occasions regarding his harassment of passers-by and scrawling threats along the sidewalk (with his kids' pastel chalk). His wife is really sweet, though kinda throws off a very strong "I get beaten regularly" vibe. It was nice that he recently stopped flying the Gadsen flag and put up the stars and stripes, though.

The real shocker is that he's a short, bald, white, 40-something. Did not see that coming.
 
2012-07-31 11:47:21 AM  

farkityfarker: RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.

As already pointed out, a salesman is not considered a trespasser.


Not only that, but a "No Trespassing" sign is pretty dumb, since it just reiterates that there's a law that would apply, regardless of whether or not the sign was actually posted. Kind of like a "No Breaking and Entering" sign. It just repeats an already standing regulation, not a special condition of that one residence.

If it were a "No Solicitation" sign, then it would specifically inform salespeople that they're unwelcome and any further advance would be considered trespassing from that time forward. But "No Trespassing" just says "don't come here if you shouldn't" without specifying who that applies to.
 
2012-07-31 11:48:21 AM  

Baelz: I lived in Florida for 6 years, and when you get about 10 miles outside of any metropolitan city you find people like this guy every where.


I also lived in Florida for a while. Nice place to visit...
 
2012-07-31 11:48:23 AM  

RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.


I'm guessing that people like you were on the jury that let him go in his 2005 case. Learn the meaning of "trespassing". Also, the spelling.
 
2012-07-31 11:49:16 AM  
Salesman/scammer looks like a scumbag. Nothing of value was lost here.
 
2012-07-31 11:49:42 AM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Tat'dGreaser: 3) This is not a responsible gun owner, why should responsible gun owners even try to explain this crazy person?

The No True Scotsman defense?


This guy is pretty freaking clearly an irresponsible gun owner. I know lots of people with firearms; I know none that have ever pulled on anyone, except my old boss that scared off someone actively breaking into his house. That the prosecution bungled the meter-reader case is a black eye for them; competent law enforcement could have prevented this murder.

But this guy is a nutcase, a no-longer-ticking bomb.
 
2012-07-31 11:49:47 AM  

gilgigamesh:
What do, NRA goons?


The answer is always "More guns, everyone must have more guns. More guns safe. Guns guns guns."
 
2012-07-31 11:50:43 AM  
I used to have a freelance gig as a photographer shooting pictures of residences in the Orlando area for an internet start up company that was going to "revolutionize" the housing appraisal process and provide instant appraisal services for loan companies and banks (this is before the housing bubble burst) Any ways I would pick a zip code and get paid about 55 cents per residence that I photographed and matched up to the correct address. I could shoot and upload 300-500 a day. I would walk down the center of the street and take a photograph of each house and use a voice recorder to mark the location. I am surprised now I did not get shot. I had the police called on me daily, and I once had a dog attack. I would call the local jurisdiction when I was shooting in the area to let them know I was there and to expect the calls. Got confronted a few times as well. What I was doing was perfectly legal. But I now realize that I was taking my life into my own hands even though I never set foot on anyone's property.
 
2012-07-31 11:50:45 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Rapmaster2000

There's a new neighbor on my street who has posted "PRIVATE PROPERTY" signs in his front yard. I don't get it.


It means he doesn't want people on his property


Actually, all it says is that the property is privately owned. It says nothing about whether or not people are welcome to come onto it.
 
2012-07-31 11:50:56 AM  
Eagles409: I support gun rights and I support the castle doctrine, but this stand your ground law needs to go. We have too many nutjobs that seem like they are looking for an excuse to shoot someone and then justify it later.

Also, this guy needs to rot in hell. After reading the article, the other sales guy that was with him, said he sat for a bit before executing him. According to the article, he was lying face down on the driveway, bleeding, how is that threatening?


Paranoia and hero fantasy's will breed that. One only needs to look at any gun forum to see a lot of weekend warriors and 101st keyboardists that have never been under the opposite end of a gun, and are scared to death of death.

Guns are a means of last ditch effort in very bad situations. Thinking being armed is protecting yourself is foolish. It's akin to wearing a seat-belt in a 100mph crash. If you get lucky, it allows you the opportunity of better protection. Lucky being the key word. A gun isn't a shield.

Honestly, the best thing is to just accept that some things are out of your control, and horribly random; worrying and obsessing about them is not healthy. Is life worth it if you're paranoid and full of fear of it being taken away? Not in my book.
 
2012-07-31 11:51:25 AM  
Shooting a door-to-door salesman "for effect"? I believe in French we say "pour encourager les autres" (to encourage the others, or rather, to discourage the others).

But I would like to remind the gung-ho that the right to self-defence is posited on two constraints, namely 1) there should be a real threat to you which requires self-defence, a real and present danger, as they say in the security business, a cause, a real threat, and 2) your response should be appropriate and measured, limited to what is necessary to allow you to defend yourself, seek help, bring in the proper authorities.

For example, if a child sticky with jam attempts to hug you, shooting it in the face is not an appropriate and measured response, even though there is real and present danger of getting jam on your favorite golf shirt.

The basic idea of "stand your ground" in some people's mind seems to be: on my land, anything goes. I can shoot you for being there, regardless of who or what you are or why you are there. Stopping to ask for directions from a local: that's a shooting, wandering across an unmarked boundary while lost, that is definitely a shooting. This concept of stand your ground is strongest among conservatives yahoos and deranged individualists, which is to say, psychopaths. Oh, and illegal moonshiners and drug mongers.

On the other hand, the property owner and citizen may legitimately "stand their ground" against an attack or even an intruder. We've all seen reports of cases where the homeowner is charged for violence against a burglar. Some of these cases are legitimate self-defence, misconstrued by stupid cops, lawyers and judges, some of them are eggregious "standing your ground" in the wacko-Waco sense of being a complete sociopathic looney.

If there were fewer psychopaths and loonies going around abusing the concept of self-defence like Homer Simpson after his discovery of duelling (the tomacco episode), then there would be a Hell of a lot less gun related death and injury in the US and it would be more in sync with the rest of the "Civilized World" such as it is. Fewer racists, bigots, xenophobes, paranoids, conspiracy theorist nutters, and others of that ilk would get away with murder. In short, the profits of the firearms industry would decline.

But the firearms industry are the same SOBs who armed the Indians and the military that moved in and shot up the Indian villages and took away their land. They ran out of Indians but their tactics and strategy for selling more guns than anybody reasonably needs remain the same. Like lawyers, gun dealers have as much business as they drum up for themselves. And because of the flawed interpretation of the Constitition, of basic rights, of self-defence, and so forth, they can drum up a lot of business for themselves.

Twice as many gun deaths as in Canada, and at least 100 times as many as in Japan. Even countries where the gun culture is engrained, like Serbia (ethnic cleansing), Finland (hunting) and Switzerland (well-regulated state militias) have massively lower gun death levels because the faulty part of the gun, the trigger finger, is not on a hair-trigger.

I keep arguing for a common sense interpretation of the "right to bear arms". But despite the fact that just as many Americans want common sense as do citizens of other, less violent socities, they don't get it because the political system is rigged against honesty, truth, common sense, reason, science, facts, and sanity, not to mention democracy.

I'm not saying that the Parliamentary democracies are perfect--on the contrary, they too are rigged towards excessive conservatism (reaction we call it, when it is somebody else), especially those with Weeners the post adversarial systems in the British tradition, or the French Napoleonic Code or what not. But they do get the job done more in keeping with the two-thirds majority that is always in the political minority on such issues as gun control, gay marriage, etc.
 
2012-07-31 11:51:55 AM  

factoryconnection: That the prosecution bungled the meter-reader case is a black eye for them; competent law enforcement could have prevented this murder.

But this guy is a nutcase, a no-longer-ticking bomb.


If they did their f*cking job this guy never would have had guns. Florida DA seem to be more and more the biggest retards ever.

"Hey we have no direct evidence that Casey Anthony knowingly murdered her daughter but let's just go ahead and charger her for it anyway since Nancy Grace said we should"
 
2012-07-31 11:52:47 AM  

James!: If you pull a gun on a meter reader you should have your power shut off and your guns taken away.


He was "terrified"? Grow some farking balls.


THIS
 
2012-07-31 11:53:29 AM  

omtc: Hey, anybody know how Florida does process service? Do firms and individuals contract out for it, or does it all get farmed out to sheriff's departments?


Sheriffs office serves you with subpoena papers and notice to appear and divorce stuff. There are firms and individuals that contract out for stuff like liens and so forth on behalf of legal firms.

/process server called here last week trying to locate my ex wife
//happily provided assistance
 
2012-07-31 11:53:34 AM  

xanadian: Yeah, but, come ON! Who *hasn't* wanted to shoot a door-to-door salesman at least once in their lives?


that's the problem - he shot him twice

(sorry...not funny - this guy needs to rot in prison)
 
2012-07-31 11:54:55 AM  
Never bring a surf and turf dinner to a gun fight.
 
2012-07-31 11:55:18 AM  
THX 1138: farkityfarker: RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.

As already pointed out, a salesman is not considered a trespasser.

Not only that, but a "No Trespassing" sign is pretty dumb, since it just reiterates that there's a law that would apply, regardless of whether or not the sign was actually posted. Kind of like a "No Breaking and Entering" sign. It just repeats an already standing regulation, not a special condition of that one residence.

If it were a "No Solicitation" sign, then it would specifically inform salespeople that they're unwelcome and any further advance would be considered trespassing from that time forward. But "No Trespassing" just says "don't come here if you shouldn't" without specifying who that applies to.


You realize that's too smart and too much for the average American to understand.

Laws are those things that are written on paper that magically say exactly what they think in their head.
 
2012-07-31 11:56:09 AM  
Perillo said the children, between the ages of 4 and 8, would ride their bikes up and down the street.

"He kept saying if they step foot on my property, they're trespassing," she said.


Probably lucky he didn't shoot those menacing children riding their bikes.
 
2012-07-31 11:56:46 AM  

AirForceVet: Thanks Submitter. I've been wondering when this insane story would show up on Fark. Tried twice myself.

Death penalty is what I suggest for punishment. But they may argue he's just nutty about his Second Amendment rights.


hang him.
 
2012-07-31 11:57:01 AM  

numbone: Roop told detectives Rainey should have respected his three "No Trespassing" signs

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But how am I going to shoot someone if I'm just standing around reading signs and books? I have to have the ability to get to my guns at a moment's notice--one of those damn salesmen might try to sell me a magazine subscription.

images.media.magnify.net
 
2012-07-31 11:57:21 AM  
Move over Palin and Bachman, the Tea Party has a new 'Maverick'.
 
2012-07-31 11:58:35 AM  
i160.photobucket.com

/Bus to Hell is now boarding
 
2012-07-31 11:58:54 AM  

RembrandtQEinstein: Too bad dude wasn't a better shot. Door spammers are scumbags and bad things should happen to them.

What gives them the right to disturb me to try to sell me useless shiat? fark then.

There needs to be a national do-not door-spam list, with a private right of action against anyone who tries to market to you from your doorstep.


go away
 
2012-07-31 11:59:14 AM  

gilgigamesh: This is the kind of thing I would like to hear about from the NRA.

Its only through good fortune that one of the little kids on his block didn't get gunned down for "trespassing" by riding their bikes on the street. He was tried once for threatening a meter reader with a gun, but got acquitted.

The local cops, the prosecutor who tried him, everyone on the block knows it is only a matter of time before some poor soul who doesn't know better is going to step on his property and pay for it with his life.

Yet, he owns 14 guns, and could buy as many more as he wants, perfectly legally. Hell, according to Scalia, it may abridge his 2nd amendment rights to prohibit him from owning a rocket launcher.

What do, NRA goons?


how about a better mental hygene law on the books
at the federal level with the same standards state to state.
lock up the crazy and the tards.
will someone just think of the kids for once
 
2012-07-31 12:01:02 PM  

LittleSmitty: omtc: Hey, anybody know how Florida does process service? Do firms and individuals contract out for it, or does it all get farmed out to sheriff's departments?

Sheriffs office serves you with subpoena papers and notice to appear and divorce stuff. There are firms and individuals that contract out for stuff like liens and so forth on behalf of legal firms.

/process server called here last week trying to locate my ex wife
//happily provided assistance



Ah. I just hung up my clipboard in a far more civilized state with just as many if not more guns. But we served everything. Every story like this hastened my exit.

On one hand, getting a pretty penny to drive around, smoking cigarettes, listening to music, periodically irritating someone. On the other, "for effect."

No thanks.
 
2012-07-31 12:01:22 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: So gun-grabbers, explain to me how this situation couldn't have been avoided by the salesman also carrying? Dude was a fool for not packing heat. You never know when some lunatic's gonna stand his ground in the most lethal manner possible.

An armed society is a polite society.


An armed society is what causes paranoid nutbags like this guy to shoot first and ask questions eventually.

"Oh shiat, some stranger in my driveway. He might be armed, better shoot him before he shoots me." BANG!

"Okay good, hit him in the shoulder. Uh-oh, he's turned over, he might be going for his gun, better execute him." BANG!
 
2012-07-31 12:01:56 PM  

RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.


4 extra esses. 4 extra esses. 4 extra esses. 4 extra esses.

not siding with the moron here.
 
2012-07-31 12:02:34 PM  

THX 1138: farkityfarker: RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.

As already pointed out, a salesman is not considered a trespasser.

Not only that, but a "No Trespassing" sign is pretty dumb, since it just reiterates that there's a law that would apply, regardless of whether or not the sign was actually posted. Kind of like a "No Breaking and Entering" sign. It just repeats an already standing regulation, not a special condition of that one residence.

If it were a "No Solicitation" sign, then it would specifically inform salespeople that they're unwelcome and any further advance would be considered trespassing from that time forward. But "No Trespassing" just says "don't come here if you shouldn't" without specifying who that applies to.


I don't think that is how it works. Laws dealing with solicitors, peddlers, canvassers, etc are usually done at the municipal level. The most that is usually done to curb door to door solicitations are laws requiring them to register and display a badge before knocking on doors, although there are some that have banned it totally. Just because someone has put up a sign doesn't make knocking on that door a crime. If the guy really didn't want people knocking on his door, he should have a perimeter fence and a locked gate.
 
2012-07-31 12:03:29 PM  

crab66: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 275x400]

BAM! BAM! BAM!

I felt threatened.


sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-07-31 12:04:44 PM  

RembrandtQEinstein: Too bad dude wasn't a better shot. Door spammers are scumbags and bad things should happen to them.

What gives them the right to disturb me to try to sell me useless shiat? fark then.

There needs to be a national do-not door-spam list, with a private right of action against anyone who tries to market to you from your doorstep.


It sounds like solicitors are causing a lot of headaches for you. You should consider petitioning the government for the right to not answer your door if you don't feel like it.
 
2012-07-31 12:06:31 PM  

Pathman: xanadian: Yeah, but, come ON! Who *hasn't* wanted to shoot a door-to-door salesman at least once in their lives?

that's the problem - he shot him twice

(sorry...not funny - this guy needs to rot in prison)


i have wanted to loose thee dogs on sales people but shooting them is a littel much i think
 
2012-07-31 12:08:37 PM  
Okay...I have to admit that I hate the ever-loving shia'thead out of door-to-door salesfolk, but there's no signing off on this obvious nutter. One less door-to-door jerk mitigates the situation, though, and I'll go with life w/o parole. Lock his ass up and throw away the key.
 
2012-07-31 12:10:22 PM  
Deadly force against door-to-door solicitors is entirely unjustified. The only solicitors against who deadly force is justified are email spammers.
 
2012-07-31 12:11:28 PM  
These are peop

TofuTheAlmighty: So gun-grabbers, explain to me how this situation couldn't have been avoided by the salesman also carrying? Dude was a fool for not packing heat. You never know when some lunatic's gonna stand his ground in the most lethal manner possible.

An armed society is a polite society.


This guy is obviously paranoid delusional and shouldn't have had a firearm. I mean he saw some guy walking toward him, started screaming, shot him, the guy started screaming so he started screaming and shot him again?

Guy's scared of the world.

Most gun owners are a brainwashed lot that believe guns are the only effective weapons, but most of them aren't insane. I go out armed with my bare hands and I carry with me the understanding that I may be confronted by an armed attacker and may have to defend myself with my bare hands.

This is fine for me: I have difficulty reconciling long-distance gun combat (it's dangerous, and my chances aren't great--it takes time to aim and fire) and I'm thinking it's terribly unlikely somebody is gonna want to snipe me from across the street. I'm more worried about people getting close and pulling a gun, which ... pulling MY gun would be too slow, and my chances are far greater using my hands. I should be able to react quick enough to block him from properly drawing a gun at me.

Can't shoot me if you can't point the gun at me, kolo? I guess that's where my thinking differs: a lot of people think of guns like swords, by which I mean they think of it as a defensive and offensive weapon. You don't need a shield with a sword because you can deflect the other sword; katana will break facing an English Half Bastard, but the Japanese are skilled enough to deflect swords with a soft wooden stick ... it's a matter of deflection, not blocking.

You can't shoot bullets out of the air, you're not that cool. Even if you take a gun into a knife fight, you're essentially charging into battle with no defensive plan. You hope you can shoot this guy in the head and win; failing that, he will stab you to death. While the knife wielder obviously has to contend with superior offense, he's going to be much better equipped to deal with you if your first shot misses: you have your bare hands, and if you're not trained to defend yourself from knife attacks he's going to slash your arms up before cutting your throat.

When you put two people with guns against each other, this becomes significant: both of you are just hoping to kill the other guy first, and neither of you can claim to have an offensive advantage. There will be no epic swordplay for the next few hours. There will be no sweating, no minor bleeding cuts, no thrill of battle, no pausing to appreciate and respect your opponent's skill between heart beats. One of you gets shot in the face, and that's the end of it. You won't deflect the attack and then take him down with the counter; you shot too slow, or you missed, or whatever, it doesn't matter because he shot you in the face. If you can fire first and fire fast, you could just pull and start shooting in that general direction and probably hit and win.

That's just how it works for me: if you're that far, I have a better chance running. Shooting back would take time, and by the time I could draw you could shoot, by the time I could aim you could shoot again... how much time can I spend standing around before you hit me? If you're close up, and you pull a gun, it takes at least as long for me to reach around and pull MY gun; since I'm reacting, you're going to win this one. At a distance protecting someone else, I'd have to get a clear headshot with no indication of squeezing the trigger, with perfect aim--I absolutely must kill this guy and I must do it perfectly and without him seeing the change from idly waving a gun and spouting hollow threats to actually pulling the trigger if I'm going to save the hostage. Guns don't magically make me an unstoppable, immortal, invulnerable battle lord.

If you're close up and you try to draw, I can quickly gain control of your arm/elbow/etc, preventing you from pointing the gun at me--which neutralizes it. If my hand-to-hand is particularly good and yours is not, there is a HIGH chance I can take the gun away from you--not to mention I'll dislocate your elbow anyway, because what moron wrestles around trying to take a gun from somebody? And if there's a hostage situation, I'd be less inclined to anger the attacker by pointing a firearm at him and daring him to shoot the hostage. If he DOES shoot the hostage, he's occupied, he needs to reload, he needs to aim, and I can rush across the ten foot gap and break his neck.

Firearms help when there's an attacker firing into the crowd. They help when there's a bunch of people carrying and waiting. They help when the situation has broken down. You can all rush the guy with the gun, but he's going to shoot some of you, he might hold off for quite a while--until he runs out of bullets even. On the other hand, a bunch of you can start firing, and take him down. If he's surrounded by crowd, someone can come from behind with bare hands, knife, pipe, nunchaku, whatever; otherwise seriously, just unload in that direction. None of this helps me in a dark alley, so I don't find a gun useful.

Really, what am I going to do? Point a large firearm at anybody who approaches me? (i.e. like the guy in TFA)
 
2012-07-31 12:11:59 PM  
Carn SmartestFunniest 2012-07-31 11:38:29 AM


doubled99: Mega Steve SmartestFunniest 2012-07-31 11:16:51 AM


Carn: If only the victim had been carrying a loaded assault rifle, this would never have happened.


If only there was a ban on assault rifles, this would never had happened...
oh, wait, it was handgun. Never mind.

*whoosh*



...aaaand right back atcha!
 
kgf
2012-07-31 12:13:34 PM  
Did we just find a poster child for "Florida Man"?
 
2012-07-31 12:14:29 PM  
images.wikia.com

No one seems to care about banksters and corporations running rough shod over laws, workers, and the environment.

But goddamn, any one mentions "GUNS!!!" everyone turns it s a farking second amendment lawyer, spouting this that and the other thing.

For christ sakes, you farking red neck gun morons, there are MORE IMPORTANT THINGS.

The Second Amendment isn't for you to shoot people on your property. It's to over throw tyranny.

Go kill some Banskters or CEOs. That's the Second Amendment I can support.
 
2012-07-31 12:14:57 PM  

RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.


You are either:
a) a troll, or
b) a sociopath

I suppose sociopath troll is also a possibility.
 
2012-07-31 12:15:37 PM  

Dear Jerk: The right to keep and bear arms implies a limit of two.


yeah - because if this guy had less guns he probably wouldn't have shot this kid
 
2012-07-31 12:17:53 PM  

bluefoxicy: Most gun owners are a brainwashed lot that believe guns are the only effective weapons


Please substantiate this assertion.
 
2012-07-31 12:19:05 PM  

falcon176: Florida's stand your ground law is so retarded that this guy might actually get off if he gets a good lawyer


Considering that he was acquitted in the meter reader incident, I'm guessing he has a very good lawyer, and he knows it. He's probably been looking for any excuse to murder someone since his acquittal because he thinks he's invincible now. And because he's a sadistic sociopath.
 
2012-07-31 12:19:21 PM  

Jument: RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.

You are either:
a) a troll, or
b) a sociopath

I suppose sociopath troll is also a possibility.


I'm going with a. No sane person is siding with the shooter in this case.
 
2012-07-31 12:19:37 PM  

Dimensio: bluefoxicy: Most gun owners are a brainwashed lot that believe guns are the only effective weapons

Please substantiate this assertion.


Have you not been reading Fark lately?
 
2012-07-31 12:20:14 PM  
This guy is pretty much the walking stereotype of most Gun-nuts (as distinguished from hobbyists and responsible normal gun owners) and why a lot of us think the right to keep and bear needs some serious asterisks by it. He's either a psychopath/sadist who just really wanted to shoot someone or he is a pant-wetting coward who spends his every waking moment living in mortal dread.


honestly consider this paragraph alone:
"As Rainey drew within 4 feet, Roop grabbed his 9mm Glock from his pocket and fired once, striking Rainey in the shoulder, he told police. Rainey fell to the ground, screaming, 'You shot me,' in what Roop described as an "antagonistic" manner, according to the report"

can you think of any NON "antagonistic" ways to say "Motherfarker you just shot me for no goddamn reason"
 
2012-07-31 12:20:18 PM  

TyrantII: Guns are a means of last ditch effort in very bad situations. Thinking being armed is protecting yourself is foolish. It's akin to wearing a seat-belt in a 100mph crash. If you get lucky, it allows you the opportunity of better protection. Lucky being the key word. A gun isn't a shield.

Honestly, the best thing is to just accept that some things are out of your control, and horribly random; worrying and obsessing about them is not healthy. Is life worth it if you're paranoid and full of fear of it being taken away? Not in my book.


I had two crack heads force their way into my apartment and rob me at gunpoint after knocking on my door. I could see the bullet sitting in the chamber down the barrel of the gun. The guy had it pointed directly at my face, and his hands were shaking like he was farking Michael J Fox (drug withdrawal I assume). At any point in time, he could have twitched wrong and I'd be dead. There were plenty of opportunities that I could have shot them both during the event while their focus was on loading all my stuff into duffel bags, if I had it on me, rather than locked in a gunsafe.

I lived, and was not shot. Does that mean that if someone robs me again, I should just let them do whatever they want, because hey... what are the odds they're going to kill me this time? As long as I cooperate, a fiending crackheads shaky hand isnt going to pull that trigger, right? I mean, a drug addict who chooses to perform an armed home invasion is a very logical person, wouldnt you say? So I should be logical with them?

fark no. I answer my door with a gun in my hand now (although I dont let you see it), and I wear a concealed weapon on me when I go out. I got lucky. Thats all. The dice got thrown and I lived. I do not intend to gamble with my life ever again.

Why do I live my life in terror? I dont. Now that I carry every day, Im not afraid of a farking thing.
 
2012-07-31 12:20:32 PM  
people should purposefully go to this guys house, and have their buddy kill him.

Can I defend my ground against you defending your ground? Let's find out, tiny dick man.
 
2012-07-31 12:20:49 PM  

qorkfiend: darwinpolice: Rapmaster2000: Roop told detectives Rainey should have respected his three "No Trespassing" signs

There's a new neighbor on my street who has posted "PRIVATE PROPERTY" signs in his front yard. I don't get it.

Do you live in Florida? Best respect the hell out of those signs, son.

Doesn't matter. A homeowner with a "No Trespassing" sign is not automatically promoted to judge, jury, and executioner.


Tell that to the dead salesman and his family.
 
2012-07-31 12:22:10 PM  

Alonjar: TyrantII: Guns are a means of last ditch effort in very bad situations. Thinking being armed is protecting yourself is foolish. It's akin to wearing a seat-belt in a 100mph crash. If you get lucky, it allows you the opportunity of better protection. Lucky being the key word. A gun isn't a shield.

Honestly, the best thing is to just accept that some things are out of your control, and horribly random; worrying and obsessing about them is not healthy. Is life worth it if you're paranoid and full of fear of it being taken away? Not in my book.

I had two crack heads force their way into my apartment and rob me at gunpoint after knocking on my door. I could see the bullet sitting in the chamber down the barrel of the gun. The guy had it pointed directly at my face, and his hands were shaking like he was farking Michael J Fox (drug withdrawal I assume). At any point in time, he could have twitched wrong and I'd be dead. There were plenty of opportunities that I could have shot them both during the event while their focus was on loading all my stuff into duffel bags, if I had it on me, rather than locked in a gunsafe.

I lived, and was not shot. Does that mean that if someone robs me again, I should just let them do whatever they want, because hey... what are the odds they're going to kill me this time? As long as I cooperate, a fiending crackheads shaky hand isnt going to pull that trigger, right? I mean, a drug addict who chooses to perform an armed home invasion is a very logical person, wouldnt you say? So I should be logical with them?

fark no. I answer my door with a gun in my hand now (although I dont let you see it), and I wear a concealed weapon on me when I go out. I got lucky. Thats all. The dice got thrown and I lived. I do not intend to gamble with my life ever again.

Why do I live my life in terror? I dont. Now that I carry every day, Im not afraid of a farking thing.


Go see a shrink and stop being a pussy, you pussy.
 
2012-07-31 12:22:39 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: So gun-grabbers, explain to me how this situation couldn't have been avoided by the salesman also carrying? Dude was a fool for not packing heat. You never know when some lunatic's gonna stand his ground in the most lethal manner possible.

An armed society is a polite society.


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Chesapeake man killed in one-car accident

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Young child injured in two-car crash

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A sampling of some stories from today.
Enjoy your freedom to travel, car nuts.
 
2012-07-31 12:22:52 PM  

Jument: RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.

You are either:
a) a troll, or
b) a sociopath

I suppose sociopath troll is also a possibility.


you say that like it's a bad thing
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2012-07-31 12:24:12 PM  

Alonjar: TyrantII: Guns are a means of last ditch effort in very bad situations. Thinking being armed is protecting yourself is foolish. It's akin to wearing a seat-belt in a 100mph crash. If you get lucky, it allows you the opportunity of better protection. Lucky being the key word. A gun isn't a shield.

Honestly, the best thing is to just accept that some things are out of your control, and horribly random; worrying and obsessing about them is not healthy. Is life worth it if you're paranoid and full of fear of it being taken away? Not in my book.

I had two crack heads force their way into my apartment and rob me at gunpoint after knocking on my door. I could see the bullet sitting in the chamber down the barrel of the gun. The guy had it pointed directly at my face, and his hands were shaking like he was farking Michael J Fox (drug withdrawal I assume). At any point in time, he could have twitched wrong and I'd be dead. There were plenty of opportunities that I could have shot them both during the event while their focus was on loading all my stuff into duffel bags, if I had it on me, rather than locked in a gunsafe.

I lived, and was not shot. Does that mean that if someone robs me again, I should just let them do whatever they want, because hey... what are the odds they're going to kill me this time? As long as I cooperate, a fiending crackheads shaky hand isnt going to pull that trigger, right? I mean, a drug addict who chooses to perform an armed home invasion is a very logical person, wouldnt you say? So I should be logical with them?

fark no. I answer my door with a gun in my hand now (although I dont let you see it), and I wear a concealed weapon on me when I go out. I got lucky. Thats all. The dice got thrown and I lived. I do not intend to gamble with my life ever again.

Why do I live my life in terror? I dont. Now that I carry every day, Im not afraid of a farking thing.


Also bro, by carrying a gun everyday, you pretty much admit to being in fear.

How it works

Phase 1 : Wake up
Phase 2 :"shiat I'M SCARED WHERE IS MY GUN"
Phase 3: Profit.

Holy shiat guys. We just found the answer to ???? as phase 2.
 
2012-07-31 12:24:34 PM  

darwinpolice: Rapmaster2000: Roop told detectives Rainey should have respected his three "No Trespassing" signs

There's a new neighbor on my street who has posted "PRIVATE PROPERTY" signs in his front yard. I don't get it.

Do you live in Florida? Best respect the hell out of those signs, son.


A salesman coming to your door isn't trespassing no matter how many signs you have up. A "No solictors sign" is necessary. Your front yard isn;t really "private property" either as most yards include a public access easement of about 25-50 feet
 
2012-07-31 12:24:41 PM  

TyrantII: Guns are a means of last ditch effort in very bad situations. Thinking being armed is protecting yourself is foolish. It's akin to wearing a seat-belt in a 100mph crash. If you get lucky, it allows you the opportunity of better protection. Lucky being the key word. A gun isn't a shield.

Honestly, the best thing is to just accept that some things are out of your control, and horribly random; worrying and obsessing about them is not healthy. Is life worth it if you're paranoid and full of fear of it being taken away? Not in my book.


let me ask you - the last time you drove 100mph, were you wearing a seatbelt?
 
2012-07-31 12:24:42 PM  

joaquin closet: RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.

4 extra esses. 4 extra esses. 4 extra esses. 4 extra esses.

not siding with the moron here.


Moran!! Sorry, pet peeve...
 
2012-07-31 12:25:16 PM  

Eagles409: I support gun rights and I support the castle doctrine, but this stand your ground law needs to go. We have too many nutjobs that seem like they are looking for an excuse to shoot someone and then justify it later.

Also, this guy needs to rot in hell. After reading the article, the other sales guy that was with him, said he sat for a bit before executing him. According to the article, he was lying face down on the driveway, bleeding, how is that threatening?


I've said it before. Putting the "stand your ground" stuff into actual state legal codes just gives the paranoids more reason to do crap like this.
 
2012-07-31 12:25:41 PM  

Click Click D'oh: gilgigamesh: What do, NRA goons?

What, you honestly think the NRA condones executing unarmed and wounded people laying on the ground?

Really?

Is that all you guys can do these days, yell NRA BAD NRA BAD NRA BAAAA! BAAAA!


What does the political arm of the NRA and its leadership have to do with firearms?
 
2012-07-31 12:26:04 PM  
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2012-07-31 12:26:05 PM  

pacified: Also bro, by carrying a gun everyday, you pretty much admit to being in fear.


Please explain the logic by which you have derived your conclusion.
 
2012-07-31 12:26:26 PM  

Magorn: This guy is pretty much the walking stereotype of most Gun-nuts (as distinguished from hobbyists and responsible normal gun owners) and why a lot of us think the right to keep and bear needs some serious asterisks by it. He's either a psychopath/sadist who just really wanted to shoot someone or he is a pant-wetting coward who spends his every waking moment living in mortal dread.


I'd argue that he's the walking stereotype of what many people believe a "gun nut" is. He is not a gun nut, not at all. These actions point to him being mentally unstable. If he was a gun nut, as your positioning it here and as that term is thrown about on Fark and other sites, there'd be a significantly higher number of shootings like this. Simply put, there aren't.

Assuming all the facts are as stated and there's nothing critical missing, this guy is likely a nutbar who's now guilty of first degree murder.
 
2012-07-31 12:26:59 PM  

Alonjar: Now that I carry every day, Im not afraid of a farking thing.


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2012-07-31 12:27:06 PM  

Pathman: TofuTheAlmighty: So gun-grabbers, explain to me how this situation couldn't have been avoided by the salesman also carrying? Dude was a fool for not packing heat. You never know when some lunatic's gonna stand his ground in the most lethal manner possible.

An armed society is a polite society.

Hundreds gather to remember, pray and support victims of terrible car crash

Poker Professional Ryan Young Passes Away In Car Accident

Chesapeake man killed in one-car accident

Crossmaglen Rangers GAA star Ciaran McKenna killed in car crash

St. Louis Car Crash Leaves David Gains Deceased

Young child injured in two-car crash

Shooting, car chase ends in multi-car crash on I-5; 3 injured

A sampling of some stories from today.
Enjoy your freedom to travel, car nuts.


False analogy is false.

A car has a utlity to it that comes with some danger, as a society we've decided that the utility it provides outweighs its danger. A gun is a weapon. it has zero utltity other than the harming or taking of life.
 
2012-07-31 12:27:11 PM  
My neighbor shot someone. My neighbor was coming home from the range and a burglar was in his house. Oopsie.

I know of a guy who is a member of a competitive gun club where they practice shooting at moving targets finish off a home invader too.

But then I live in a neighborhood that is topographically unfriendly for door to door sales weasels. I get maybe one a year come by.
 
2012-07-31 12:27:45 PM  

MCStymie: Okay...I have to admit that I hate the ever-loving shia'thead out of door-to-door salesfolk, but there's no signing off on this obvious nutter. One less door-to-door jerk mitigates the situation, though kid ust trying to do his job, and I'll go with life w/o parole. Lock his ass up and throw away the key.

 
2012-07-31 12:27:46 PM  
I have a 12 ga. pump for home defense. But I wouldn't consider using it unless someone was breaking into the house. When Florida simplified the permitting process for the CCW and made it pretty easy to obtain one, I considered it. Went as far as getting the paperwork, and ultimately decided it probably wasn't in my best interest to be toting a pistol on my person.

I'm going to have to reassess that decision. Not because I fear criminals so much, but because I never know if the next asshole that I tell to go f*ck himself is going to get all 2nd ammendmenty on me for calling out his dumbf*ckery.
 
2012-07-31 12:29:51 PM  
Crazy? yup. Irresponsible gun owner? Yup.

Does not want anyone on his property and goes out of his way to post three signs saying so? Yup.

Bad things happening to bad people who do bad things...crappy story all around. The salesman however was unwelcome, knew he was unwelcome, completely disregarded the property owner's well stated wishes for the sanctity of his property, and paid for it. Can't say I feel sorry for the guy at all. If someone does not want to be bothered, and they let you know that, then you do not bother them...whether they are a crazy irresponsible gun owner or not does not matter in the least. Salesman got what was coming to him.
 
2012-07-31 12:30:02 PM  
Where is the HERO tag ?
 
2012-07-31 12:30:41 PM  
Doesn't the act shooting a downed man in the back of the head "for effect" negate the standing of ones ground?

/Just curious
 
2012-07-31 12:31:15 PM  
This guy should have had his license revoked when he pointed a gun at the parking meter attendant.

Burn in hell
 
2012-07-31 12:32:19 PM  
Hmm. Science shows that gun-nuts are actually mentally ill.

In fact, just having a gun on your person makes you perceive the world differently. You are dangerous, because you perceive non-threatening or low-threatening situations as much, much more threatening than they really are.

That's the definition of being mentally ill, seeing the world completely differently.

Look it up.
 
2012-07-31 12:34:11 PM  

Dimensio: pacified: Also bro, by carrying a gun everyday, you pretty much admit to being in fear.

Please explain the logic by which you have derived your conclusion.


This. Carrying a gun is not an emotional decision for me, far from it. It is an entirely logical one. I am aware of the dangers that exist in the world, and I have taken the best steps available to me to protect myself. Its the same reason I wear a seat belt when I drive. Do I plan on crashing my car? Hell no, but its always a possibility. My situational awareness has greatly increased, which is arguably more important than being armed, but I'm simply being prepared.

The real problem is that most of the population is in complete and utter denial that there are bad people out there who are fully willing to kill/hurt you for little to no reason. Hell, just the other day a local store got robbed, and the cashier was shot dead for no reason. The guy got the money, and shot them on the way out.

People who commit these crimes are not sane, rational people like you might be. Thats where the problem lies. You're applying reasoning to an unreasonable situation.
 
2012-07-31 12:34:30 PM  

qorkfiend: darwinpolice: Rapmaster2000: Roop told detectives Rainey should have respected his three "No Trespassing" signs

There's a new neighbor on my street who has posted "PRIVATE PROPERTY" signs in his front yard. I don't get it.

Do you live in Florida? Best respect the hell out of those signs, son.

Doesn't matter. A homeowner with a "No Trespassing" sign is not automatically promoted to judge, jury, and executioner.


Good luck with that attitude.

crab66: Alonjar: crab66: Typical paranoid gun nut.

Actually, I find your statement to be entirely illogical, as this guy was not in the least bit typical. As a matter of fact, he's about as far outside the normal spectrum as it gets.

...but hey, keep on projecting your world view.

You have a small penis.


Woo, you sure told him.

Jerk.

What's a meter reader?
 
2012-07-31 12:34:38 PM  

FrancoFile: I've said it before. Putting the "stand your ground" stuff into actual state legal codes just gives the paranoids more reason to do crap like this.


Paranoids don't really need extra reasons. They'll make up their own and use whatever convenient excuse they can. The fact is that, unless there's something very significant missing from the article, this is not a case of stand your ground applying. It's the case of a nutbar committing murder.

Also, stand your ground laws do a very good job of protecting people who actually are legitimately defending themselves from being prosecuted by over-zealous folks with an ax to grind.
 
2012-07-31 12:34:58 PM  
Amazing to see idiot trolls even attempting to be funny or justify this.


This guy was a ticking time-bomb waiting to go off. I hope he gets the chair for it.
 
2012-07-31 12:35:45 PM  
"I say my good man, I seem to have intercepted the bullet you fired from your pistol. So sorry bout that. This gaping hole in my gut is causing not a small amount of discomfort. Could I trouble you to finish me off?"
 
2012-07-31 12:37:00 PM  
NightOwl2255 SmartestFunniest 2012-07-31 12:35:45 PM


"I say my good man, I seem to have intercepted the bullet you fired from your pistol. So sorry bout that. This gaping hole in my gut is causing not a small amount of discomfort. Could I trouble you to finish me off?"




You sound threatening.
 
2012-07-31 12:38:04 PM  

Magorn: False analogy is false.

A car has a utlity to it that comes with some danger, as a society we've decided that the utility it provides outweighs its danger. A gun is a weapon. it has zero utltity other than the harming or taking of life.


and as a society we have decided that the utility of being allowed to arm ourselves outweigh the dangers. this nutbag and a few like him does not justify deciding otherwise.

50k people die on the roads every year. that's approaching over 125 people every day.
That is close to double the number of shooting deaths - and most of those are suicides.
The other half are mostly criminals.

Gun violence is a problem in this country. There is no denying it. However this guy is an anomaly and while what happened is an absolute tragedy he is not representative of the problem.
 
2012-07-31 12:38:37 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Roop told detectives Rainey should have respected his three "No Trespassing" signs

There's a new neighbor on my street who has posted "PRIVATE PROPERTY" signs in his front yard. I don't get it.


Some people are just touchy about it. The wife and I were looking at houses in a wooded community and every other one had some combination of NO TRESPASSING, PRIVATE PROPERTY and BEWARE OF DOG signs posted. It was a little scary.
 
2012-07-31 12:39:00 PM  

LittleSmitty: I have a 12 ga. pump for home defense. But I wouldn't consider using it unless someone was breaking into the house. When Florida simplified the permitting process for the CCW and made it pretty easy to obtain one, I considered it. Went as far as getting the paperwork, and ultimately decided it probably wasn't in my best interest to be toting a pistol on my person.

I'm going to have to reassess that decision. Not because I fear criminals so much, but because I never know if the next asshole that I tell to go f*ck himself is going to get all 2nd ammendmenty on me for calling out his dumbf*ckery.


or, you know, you could practice being a bit less hostile towards strangers.
 
2012-07-31 12:39:24 PM  

Ex_Parrot: Doesn't the act shooting a downed man in the back of the head "for effect" negate the standing of ones ground?

/Just curious


I don't think that "stand your ground" has been mentioned by anyone outside this thread.

There's an eyewitness to the crime that probably made the 911 call as well; this ain't no "gray area" shooting. But I may be wrong; they could botch this prosecution, too.
 
2012-07-31 12:41:05 PM  
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2012-07-31 12:42:04 PM  

factoryconnection: Ex_Parrot: Doesn't the act shooting a downed man in the back of the head "for effect" negate the standing of ones ground?

/Just curious

I don't think that "stand your ground" has been mentioned by anyone outside this thread.

There's an eyewitness to the crime that probably made the 911 call as well; this ain't no "gray area" shooting. But I may be wrong; they could botch this prosecution, too.


except for in the article.
it's right there in the headline.
 
2012-07-31 12:44:47 PM  
Guns are NOT a defense mechanism.

I say if you want to carry a gun in public and you're not LEO or hunting, you should be required to take every other possible defense measure. You should have to be wearing at least a protective vest, and some sort of rape-prevention underwear whenever you're in public. Along-side your gun holster you should also have a tazer and some pepper spray. Your house should be fitted with bulletproof windows. Only then should you be allowed to step outside your house with a gun.

The only time these restrictions wouldn't apply is if you are INSIDE your house. If you're in the driveway, or standing in an open doorway, you're effed unless you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you had a damn good reason for feeling threatened enough to go straight for that firearm.

I don't necessarily have a problem with concealed/open carry laws, but I'd rather make DAMN sure the person carrying isn't just some imbecile trying to increase the badassness of his image, or some paranoid "omigod i'm gonna get raped trying to get a slurpee at the 7-11" fool. Prove you can hit your target, and that you can properly evaluate the appropriate time to fire a weapon, and get reevaluated frequently. Otherwise carry a farking tazer or pepperspray.
 
2012-07-31 12:45:23 PM  

Thuull: Crazy? yup. Irresponsible gun owner? Yup.

Does not want anyone on his property and goes out of his way to post three signs saying so? Yup.

Bad things happening to bad people who do bad things...crappy story all around. The salesman however was unwelcome, knew he was unwelcome, completely disregarded the property owner's well stated wishes for the sanctity of his property, and paid for it. Can't say I feel sorry for the guy at all. If someone does not want to be bothered, and they let you know that, then you do not bother them...whether they are a crazy irresponsible gun owner or not does not matter in the least. Salesman got what was coming to him.


wrong. Wrong WRONG WRONG!

As stated REPEATEDLY in thread you could farking wallpaper your yard in no tresspassing signs and it doesn;t mean a got-damn thing, particularly not to people who might have legitimate business contacting you, including postal carriers, meter readers and , yes DOOR to DOOR salesmen. Why? because a simple "no thank you" is sufficent to send the salesman on his way and our laws were written by rational people not anti-social lunatics. And in most places your front lawn conveys with a public access easement that lets people walk over the majority of it for any reason they want to, without, and i cannot stress this enough, you being allowed to shoot them.
 
2012-07-31 12:47:42 PM  
It seems to me the main reason so many people here are chomping at the bit to use this example to mock/criticize the "Stand Your Ground" law as a straw man. So--in order to demonize the law--they are trying to link it to a case in which there is no way in hell it will be successfully raised as a defense. This guy's going to get convicted of murder, and "Stand your Ground" will have no part in the process.
 
2012-07-31 12:50:40 PM  

Thuull: Can't say I feel sorry for the guy at all. If someone does not want to be bothered, and they let you know that, then you do not bother them...whether they are a crazy irresponsible gun owner or not does not matter in the least. Salesman got what was coming to him.


then you are an asshole.

this guy was just trying to do his job and he ended up bleeding to death in some redneck's driveway.
Got what was coming to him? what a dipshiat
 
2012-07-31 12:52:36 PM  
Of course his name is Kenneth.



I hope he spends the rest of his days in a 5x5 box.

/condolences to Mr. Rainey's family and friends.
 
2012-07-31 12:54:58 PM  

Magorn: Thuull: Crazy? yup. Irresponsible gun owner? Yup.

Does not want anyone on his property and goes out of his way to post three signs saying so? Yup.

Bad things happening to bad people who do bad things...crappy story all around. The salesman however was unwelcome, knew he was unwelcome, completely disregarded the property owner's well stated wishes for the sanctity of his property, and paid for it. Can't say I feel sorry for the guy at all. If someone does not want to be bothered, and they let you know that, then you do not bother them...whether they are a crazy irresponsible gun owner or not does not matter in the least. Salesman got what was coming to him.

wrong. Wrong WRONG WRONG!

As stated REPEATEDLY in thread you could farking wallpaper your yard in no tresspassing signs and it doesn;t mean a got-damn thing, particularly not to people who might have legitimate business contacting you, including postal carriers, meter readers and , yes DOOR to DOOR salesmen. Why? because a simple "no thank you" is sufficent to send the salesman on his way and our laws were written by rational people not anti-social lunatics. And in most places your front lawn conveys with a public access easement that lets people walk over the majority of it for any reason they want to, without, and i cannot stress this enough, you being allowed to shoot them.


His failure to have a lawyer vet the language of his posted signs for possible future court use does not (in any reasonable person's mind) indicate that he did not clearly communicate his wishes to have no-one on his property. It is very easy to arm-chair quarterback which signs he should have had, which y'all have done most admirably here in this thread.

I'll agree that postal carriers, meter readers and other officials who have valid official reasons to be on said property to carry out their assigned duties would be an exception to a private owners rights to the sanctity of his property...but can't agree with the premise that a salesman of any sort has an inherent right to ignore the clearly stated wishes of the owner.
 
2012-07-31 12:56:16 PM  

Pathman: Magorn: False analogy is false.

A car has a utlity to it that comes with some danger, as a society we've decided that the utility it provides outweighs its danger. A gun is a weapon. it has zero utltity other than the harming or taking of life.

and as a society we have decided that the utility of being allowed to arm ourselves outweigh the dangers. this nutbag and a few like him does not justify deciding otherwise.

50k people die on the roads every year. that's approaching over 125 people every day.
That is close to double the number of shooting deaths - and most of those are suicides.
The other half are mostly criminals.

Gun violence is a problem in this country. There is no denying it. However this guy is an anomaly and while what happened is an absolute tragedy he is not representative of the problem.


DO you not realize, given how many cars are in this country (254 million) and how many miles they are driven, on average daily (41) how INSANE it is that car death are ONLY double what gun deaths are in this country?

and your other numbers are wrong too. The majority of gun deaths and injuries in this country are suicides, this is followed closely by domestic violence incidents,, criminal uses, after that comes accidents, shot by police, and then finally there are an infetesmially small number of "good guy citizen shoots bad guy" incidents. In fact this number is so tiny that gun advocates are forced to create an imaginary category of "crimes prevented by using/showing a gun" incidents where a gun is displayed or used and the criminal scurries off and where police are never called and no one seeks treatment for thier injuries, so there are conveniently no records or proof that they ever actually happened.
 
2012-07-31 12:57:09 PM  

Pathman: Thuull: Can't say I feel sorry for the guy at all. If someone does not want to be bothered, and they let you know that, then you do not bother them...whether they are a crazy irresponsible gun owner or not does not matter in the least. Salesman got what was coming to him.

then you are an asshole.

this guy was just trying to do his job and he ended up bleeding to death in some redneck's driveway.
Got what was coming to him? what a dipshiat


That's fine, I kind of am an asshole, at least about certain things.

Just because it is the guy's job does not give him the right to tread upon the rights of others. He learned that lesson the hard way.
 
2012-07-31 12:58:17 PM  

As stated REPEATEDLY in thread you could farking wallpaper your yard in no tresspassing signs and it doesn;t mean a got-damn thing




It may not mean you have the right to kill someone, but it most definitely means something.
The salesmen didn't think it meant anything, either. I think he learned differently
 
2012-07-31 12:59:00 PM  

Thuull: Magorn: Thuull: Crazy? yup. Irresponsible gun owner? Yup.

Does not want anyone on his property and goes out of his way to post three signs saying so? Yup.

Bad things happening to bad people who do bad things...crappy story all around. The salesman however was unwelcome, knew he was unwelcome, completely disregarded the property owner's well stated wishes for the sanctity of his property, and paid for it. Can't say I feel sorry for the guy at all. If someone does not want to be bothered, and they let you know that, then you do not bother them...whether they are a crazy irresponsible gun owner or not does not matter in the least. Salesman got what was coming to him.

wrong. Wrong WRONG WRONG!

As stated REPEATEDLY in thread you could farking wallpaper your yard in no tresspassing signs and it doesn;t mean a got-damn thing, particularly not to people who might have legitimate business contacting you, including postal carriers, meter readers and , yes DOOR to DOOR salesmen. Why? because a simple "no thank you" is sufficent to send the salesman on his way and our laws were written by rational people not anti-social lunatics. And in most places your front lawn conveys with a public access easement that lets people walk over the majority of it for any reason they want to, without, and i cannot stress this enough, you being allowed to shoot them.

His failure to have a lawyer vet the language of his posted signs for possible future court use does not (in any reasonable person's mind) indicate that he did not clearly communicate his wishes to have no-one on his property. It is very easy to arm-chair quarterback which signs he should have had, which y'all have done most admirably here in this thread.

I'll agree that postal carriers, meter readers and other officials who have valid official reasons to be on said property to carry out their assigned duties would be an exception to a private owners rights to the sanctity of his property...but can't agree with the premise ...


and none of these things even remotely justify the show of force that this idiot employed nor do they suggest that he "got what was coming to him" either.
 
2012-07-31 01:00:04 PM  

Thuull: Pathman: Thuull: Can't say I feel sorry for the guy at all. If someone does not want to be bothered, and they let you know that, then you do not bother them...whether they are a crazy irresponsible gun owner or not does not matter in the least. Salesman got what was coming to him.

then you are an asshole.

this guy was just trying to do his job and he ended up bleeding to death in some redneck's driveway.
Got what was coming to him? what a dipshiat

That's fine, I kind of am an asshole, at least about certain things.

Just because it is the guy's job does not give him the right to tread upon the rights of others. He learned that lesson the hard way.


yeah - you don't have the right to park illegally either - but that doesn't mean "you got what was coming to you" if someone shoots you for it.
 
2012-07-31 01:00:47 PM  

Thuull: Crazy? yup. Irresponsible gun owner? Yup.

Does not want anyone on his property and goes out of his way to post three signs saying so? Yup.

Bad things happening to bad people who do bad things...crappy story all around. The salesman however was unwelcome, knew he was unwelcome, completely disregarded the property owner's well stated wishes for the sanctity of his property, and paid for it. Can't say I feel sorry for the guy at all. If someone does not want to be bothered, and they let you know that, then you do not bother them...whether they are a crazy irresponsible gun owner or not does not matter in the least. Salesman got what was coming to him.


I realize you're trolling, but that doesn't make you sound like any less of a quivering twatwaffle.
 
2012-07-31 01:02:38 PM  

Thuull: Magorn: Thuull: Crazy? yup. Irresponsible gun owner? Yup.

Does not want anyone on his property and goes out of his way to post three signs saying so? Yup.

Bad things happening to bad people who do bad things...crappy story all around. The salesman however was unwelcome, knew he was unwelcome, completely disregarded the property owner's well stated wishes for the sanctity of his property, and paid for it. Can't say I feel sorry for the guy at all. If someone does not want to be bothered, and they let you know that, then you do not bother them...whether they are a crazy irresponsible gun owner or not does not matter in the least. Salesman got what was coming to him.

wrong. Wrong WRONG WRONG!

As stated REPEATEDLY in thread you could farking wallpaper your yard in no tresspassing signs and it doesn;t mean a got-damn thing, particularly not to people who might have legitimate business contacting you, including postal carriers, meter readers and , yes DOOR to DOOR salesmen. Why? because a simple "no thank you" is sufficent to send the salesman on his way and our laws were written by rational people not anti-social lunatics. And in most places your front lawn conveys with a public access easement that lets people walk over the majority of it for any reason they want to, without, and i cannot stress this enough, you being allowed to shoot them.

His failure to have a lawyer vet the language of his posted signs for possible future court use does not (in any reasonable person's mind) indicate that he did not clearly communicate his wishes to have no-one on his property. It is very easy to arm-chair quarterback which signs he should have had, which y'all have done most admirably here in this thread.

I'll agree that postal carriers, meter readers and other officials who have valid official reasons to be on said property to carry out their assigned duties would be an exception to a private owners rights to the sanctity of his property...but can't agree with the premise that ...


Listen again , there IS no such thing as the "sanctity" of private property. Particularly if you live in a populated city or subur. Unless you have an access control device to physically prevent entry (Ie a LOCKED gate) AND permission to install and maintain it from the relevant authorities, someone entering your proerty has done nothing wrong. YOUR FRONT YARD IS NOT YOUR PROPERTY EXCLUSIVELY and you have no right to use force to defend it from reasonable access by bona fide visitors. Even if someone IS trespassing, you must first ask them to leave voluntarily before you have a right to use force to make them comply.
 
2012-07-31 01:04:22 PM  

Magorn: and your other numbers are wrong too. The majority of gun deaths and injuries in this country are suicides, this is followed closely by domestic violence incidents,, criminal uses, after that comes accidents, shot by police, and then finally there are an infetesmially small number of "good guy citizen shoots bad guy" incidents. In fact this number is so tiny that gun advocates are forced to create an imaginary category of "crimes prevented by using/showing a gun" incidents where a gun is displayed or used and the criminal scurries off and where police are never called and no one seeks treatment for thier injuries, so there are conveniently no records or proof that they ever actually happened.


were are you getting your info?
as i am no expert on this issue (unlike everybody else on the internet) i went to wikipedia... i have no idea if it's true or not - but apparently over half of gun deaths are suicides and anywhere from 70-90% of gun homicides are committed by people with criminal records.

So if that's true, i don't see how anything i said was untrue.
And i also don't see how your "good guy stops bad guy" with a gun is relevant either.

The onus isn't on the guy with the gun to prove that he has a justification for having it - the onus is on you to prove that he doesn't.

Like i said - gun violence is a problem, but i don't think this guy is a good representative of that problem.
 
2012-07-31 01:06:21 PM  

Magorn: DO you not realize, given how many cars are in this country (254 million) and how many miles they are driven, on average daily (41) how INSANE it is that car death are ONLY double what gun deaths are in this country?


Are you including suicides in that number when you're saying double? If so, that's a bit of a stretch for you to say only double.

and your other numbers are wrong too. The majority of gun deaths and injuries in this country are suicides, this is followed closely by domestic violence incidents,, criminal uses, after that comes accidents, shot by police, and then finally there are an infetesmially small number of "good guy citizen shoots bad guy" incidents. In fact this number is so tiny that gun advocates are forced to create an imaginary category of "crimes prevented by using/showing a gun" incidents where a gun is displayed or used and the criminal scurries off and where police are never called and no one seeks treatment for thier injuries, so there are conveniently no records or proof that they ever actually happened.

I do believe there are actual statistics and an accuracy range behind the "crimes prevented" stat. Of course, the simple fact that private firearm ownership is a right that's been upheld by the SCOTUS pretty much makes any argument against it irrelevant.

Also, does your domestic violence stat include legitimate self defense or is it restricted to only criminal cases? If restricted, then you can combine domestic violence and criminal uses. If not, you need to split it up between criminal and self-defense.
 
2012-07-31 01:09:51 PM  

farkityfarker: RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.

As already pointed out, a salesman is not considered a trespasser.


The fark they aren't. Being a foot-bound sales-schlep does not entitle some douchecanoe to ignore my "No Trespassing" and "No Soliciting" signs. Unless you are an employee of a service provider I subscribe to, or a member of law-enforcement agency, don't knock on my farkin' door. Actually, I usually have service providers put a note in my file that I require an appointment for any technicians to enter my home or come onto my property, and that I do not want to be contacted regarding service upgrades or new services.
 
2012-07-31 01:12:39 PM  

MythDragon: Goddammit so much.

What is with the crazies with guns lately?

Most of the people who own guns are responsible people. But these assholes make the rest of us look bad.
Like the one jackass who has to do 100mph wheelies down the interstate makes other motorcyle riders look bad.

And how does someone say "You shot me!" in a pleasant manner?


"Dude. You shot me? Totally uncool, bro. Uncool."
 
2012-07-31 01:13:38 PM  

Technoir: The fark they aren't. Being a foot-bound sales-schlep does not entitle some douchecanoe to ignore my "No Trespassing" and "No Soliciting" signs. Unless you are an employee of a service provider I subscribe to, or a member of law-enforcement agency, don't knock on my farkin' door.


And if someone dare to knock on your door, what are you going to do? Shoot them? Use harsh language? Write a sternly worded letter?
 
2012-07-31 01:16:52 PM  

Technoir: farkityfarker: RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.

As already pointed out, a salesman is not considered a trespasser.

The fark they aren't. Being a foot-bound sales-schlep does not entitle some douchecanoe to ignore my "No Trespassing" and "No Soliciting" signs. Unless you are an employee of a service provider I subscribe to, or a member of law-enforcement agency, don't knock on my farkin' door. Actually, I usually have service providers put a note in my file that I require an appointment for any technicians to enter my home or come onto my property, and that I do not want to be contacted regarding service upgrades or new services.


If they ignore the signs, there's an escalation protocol, though.

1 - Ask them to leave (if you're polite),
2 - Tell them to leave (if they don't leave after the first or if you're not bothering with polite. Feel free to point out the signs and question their inability to read, potential blood relationship between their parents, how many chromosomes they've got, etc)
3 - Call the po-po.
4 - If and only if they actually put you in a situation where your life is in danger do you consider self-defense.
 
2012-07-31 01:17:15 PM  

ronaprhys: Magorn: DO you not realize, given how many cars are in this country (254 million) and how many miles they are driven, on average daily (41) how INSANE it is that car death are ONLY double what gun deaths are in this country?

Are you including suicides in that number when you're saying double? If so, that's a bit of a stretch for you to say only double.

and your other numbers are wrong too. The majority of gun deaths and injuries in this country are suicides, this is followed closely by domestic violence incidents,, criminal uses, after that comes accidents, shot by police, and then finally there are an infetesmially small number of "good guy citizen shoots bad guy" incidents. In fact this number is so tiny that gun advocates are forced to create an imaginary category of "crimes prevented by using/showing a gun" incidents where a gun is displayed or used and the criminal scurries off and where police are never called and no one seeks treatment for thier injuries, so there are conveniently no records or proof that they ever actually happened.

I do believe there are actual statistics and an accuracy range behind the "crimes prevented" stat. Of course, the simple fact that private firearm ownership is a right that's been upheld by the SCOTUS pretty much makes any argument against it irrelevant.Also, does your domestic violence stat include legitimate self defense or is it restricted to only criminal cases? If restricted, then you can combine domestic violence and criminal uses. If not, you need to split it up between criminal and self-defense.


Not entirely. Every Constittuional right, even the fundamental ones like free speech are subject to "Reasonable restrictions of Time, Place and Manner" when the state can show a compelling interest. Jurisprudence of more than a century recognizes that securing the safety and well-being of its citizens is the most compelling interest a state can have. Ergo restrictions on the right to keep and bear that are designed to secure that interest would be valid
 
2012-07-31 01:21:05 PM  
And, at least according to this, a witness aid they say Roop tell Rainey he didn't want any food, and when Rainey turned to walk away, that's when Roop shot him.

Link
 
2012-07-31 01:22:18 PM  

NightOwl2255: Technoir: The fark they aren't. Being a foot-bound sales-schlep does not entitle some douchecanoe to ignore my "No Trespassing" and "No Soliciting" signs. Unless you are an employee of a service provider I subscribe to, or a member of law-enforcement agency, don't knock on my farkin' door.

And if someone dare to knock on your door, what are you going to do? Shoot them? Use harsh language? Write a sternly worded letter?


This.

So if I notice that your house is on fire, or your child is lying bleeding in the street, I should just go about my business?
 
2012-07-31 01:23:55 PM  
Link

Wait, the fark went back into his garage to reload?
 
2012-07-31 01:25:48 PM  
Sure you could put him in jail - or maybe you could send him after telemarketers too.
 
2012-07-31 01:26:45 PM  

WienerButt: B-b-but Obama is gonna take all your guns !!!!1!!


That's the saddest part of the current TeaBagger platform.

Obama doesn't NEED to take your guns...he can farkin' kill you with a drone strike, and you'll never see it coming.
 
2012-07-31 01:26:52 PM  

elffster: Amazing to see idiot trolls even attempting to be funny or justify this.


This guy was a ticking time-bomb waiting to go off. I hope he gets the chair for it.


Worse punishment -- make him watch as his guns and ammo are confiscated, followed by a nice long stay in the general population of one of the Florida prisons where murderers get sent to.
 
2012-07-31 01:29:02 PM  
FTA,"Rinard said his client attends a local church"

Ban churches!
 
2012-07-31 01:30:39 PM  

ModernLuddite: A door to door lobster salesman once sent his army of trained attack lobsters after my family. This is a perfectly reasonable response.


Which is why you should ALWAYS keep a supply of short, strong rubber bands on you at all times...
 
2012-07-31 01:34:41 PM  
Dimensio: bluefoxicy: Most gun owners are a brainwashed lot that believe guns are the only effective weapons

Please substantiate this assertion.

Well....

Alonjar:

I had two crack heads force their way into my apartment and rob me at gunpoint after knocking on my door. I could see the bullet sitting in the chamber down the barrel of the gun. The guy had it pointed directly at my face, and his hands were shaking like he was farking Michael J Fox (drug withdrawal I assume).

[...]

Why do I live my life in terror? I dont. Now that I carry every day, Im not afraid of a farking thing.


Take this guy for example. Somebody knocks on his door, he opens it, and the little chain that only lets the door open 3 inches snaps like a rubber band when a grown man puts his weight on it. The grown man shoves a gun through the door and in his face, chain breaks as he kicks the door in.

So this guy is no longer afraid, because he carries a gun.

So whenever he answers the door, he's going to immediately stick his gun in the face of whoever is there? That's basically in line with the paranoia of this Florida redneck.

Or is he going to stand there with a gun in his face, reach down, pull out his gun, and shoot the guy, who obviously won't shoot him in the face in the mean time?

You see, he believes his gun is his sword and his shield. He believes it's functionally better than a katana, nunchaku, sai, a sock full of quarters, or his fists, because it will protect him from bullets from another gun. A gun is power, and that power allows him to stand against another gun. We can all plainly see that a sword won't deflect bullets (you are not Luke Skywalker); however somehow this man has concluded that a gun can.
 
2012-07-31 01:36:10 PM  

Primum: Hmm. Science shows that gun-nuts are actually mentally ill.

In fact, just having a gun on your person makes you perceive the world differently. You are dangerous, because you perceive non-threatening or low-threatening situations as much, much more threatening than they really are.

That's the definition of being mentally ill, seeing the world completely differently.

Look it up.


Please substantiate your assertions.
 
2012-07-31 01:37:32 PM  

NightOwl2255: Technoir: The fark they aren't. Being a foot-bound sales-schlep does not entitle some douchecanoe to ignore my "No Trespassing" and "No Soliciting" signs. Unless you are an employee of a service provider I subscribe to, or a member of law-enforcement agency, don't knock on my farkin' door.

And if someone dare to knock on your door, what are you going to do? Shoot them? Use harsh language? Write a sternly worded letter?


Well, the last time it happened I a) called the police to report a trespasser in the building and b) informed the shiathead that he had until the count of three to remove himself from my doorstep or get punched. He ran. I then called their employer (in this case, Wind Mobile, an upstart wireless company in Ontario), and told them to stop sending door-to-door solicitors into our building. The lobby has several signs, clearly stating that we do not allow sales soliciting or canvassing, charity solicitation or canvassing or other intrusive behaviour. My own apartment door also has a "No Solicitors or Canvassers" sign. Business can call the building managers, and we happily let them set up a table/booth in the lobby to drum up new business, with the caveat that they do not wander the building knocking on doors. Even the building manager knows to call me before coming up to my unit. I also negotiated a clause in my lease that requires them to have myself, my fiancee (who lives with me) or my mother (who lives in the same building) present if they need to enter the unit for maintenance, except in the event of an emergency.

Bell Canada, Wind Mobile, Rogers Communications, and a few others, have all been warned about door-knocking in our building. So far, the police have ticketed three door-knockers for trespassing.

I work hard in a stressful industry, so when I get home in the evening, I treasure my downtime and absolutely hate having it infringed upon by a farking telemarketer or door-knocker. I just want to have dinner, spend time with my lady, and unwind.
 
2012-07-31 01:39:29 PM  

FrancoFile: NightOwl2255: Technoir: The fark they aren't. Being a foot-bound sales-schlep does not entitle some douchecanoe to ignore my "No Trespassing" and "No Soliciting" signs. Unless you are an employee of a service provider I subscribe to, or a member of law-enforcement agency, don't knock on my farkin' door.

And if someone dare to knock on your door, what are you going to do? Shoot them? Use harsh language? Write a sternly worded letter?

This.

So if I notice that your house is on fire, or your child is lying bleeding in the street, I should just go about my business?


No kids, and genuine emergency would be an exception.
 
2012-07-31 01:39:48 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: So gun-grabbers, explain to me how this situation couldn't have been avoided by the salesman also carrying? Dude was a fool for not packing heat. You never know when some lunatic's gonna stand his ground in the most lethal manner possible.

An armed society is a polite society.


Relevant citation for polite, armed society:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatfield%E2%80%93McCoy_feud
 
2012-07-31 01:40:40 PM  

Wow! That shooter dude is CRAZY!

The guy was selling steak and lobster, but he could have been selling anything - even cosmetics!



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JUSTICE FOR AVON!
 
2012-07-31 01:41:07 PM  

ronaprhys: Technoir: farkityfarker: RivenSilver: 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs. 3 no tresspassing signs.

Siding with the shooter here.

As already pointed out, a salesman is not considered a trespasser.

The fark they aren't. Being a foot-bound sales-schlep does not entitle some douchecanoe to ignore my "No Trespassing" and "No Soliciting" signs. Unless you are an employee of a service provider I subscribe to, or a member of law-enforcement agency, don't knock on my farkin' door. Actually, I usually have service providers put a note in my file that I require an appointment for any technicians to enter my home or come onto my property, and that I do not want to be contacted regarding service upgrades or new services.

If they ignore the signs, there's an escalation protocol, though.

1 - Ask them to leave (if you're polite),
2 - Tell them to leave (if they don't leave after the first or if you're not bothering with polite. Feel free to point out the signs and question their inability to read, potential blood relationship between their parents, how many chromosomes they've got, etc)
3 - Call the po-po.
4 - If and only if they actually put you in a situation where your life is in danger do you consider self-defense.


Since they are already trespassing, the order of escalation is: 3, 2, modified 4 (punch them for infringing on my right to privacy).
 
2012-07-31 01:41:33 PM  

Technoir: FrancoFile: NightOwl2255: Technoir: The fark they aren't. Being a foot-bound sales-schlep does not entitle some douchecanoe to ignore my "No Trespassing" and "No Soliciting" signs. Unless you are an employee of a service provider I subscribe to, or a member of law-enforcement agency, don't knock on my farkin' door.

And if someone dare to knock on your door, what are you going to do? Shoot them? Use harsh language? Write a sternly worded letter?

This.

So if I notice that your house is on fire, or your child is lying bleeding in the street, I should just go about my business?

No kids, and genuine emergency would be an exception.


Okee doke.
What if I just moved in next door and wanted to introduce myself? You Canucks are notoriously friendly, aren't you?
 
2012-07-31 01:44:08 PM  

scottydoesntknow: As Rainey drew within 4 feet, Roop grabbed his 9mm Glock from his pocket and fired once, striking Rainey in the shoulder, he told police. Rainey fell to the ground, screaming, 'You shot me,' in what Roop described as an "antagonistic" manner, according to the report.

I have honest-to-god never heard a person say "YOU SHOT ME!" in anything other than an antagonistic/hostile manner.

This guy needs to be put down. It was only a matter of time before he shot someone. I bet his life's dream has been to shoot someone, then along comes Mr. door-to-door steak-n-lobster salesman, and it's his dream come true.


This. What the hell did he expect the guy to say when he put one through his shoulder?
 
2012-07-31 01:45:54 PM  

Dimensio: pacified: Also bro, by carrying a gun everyday, you pretty much admit to being in fear.

Please explain the logic by which you have derived your conclusion.


If you're afraid without it, then you're still afraid.,, and probably dangerous. Enjoy your lethal security blanket.
 
2012-07-31 01:50:47 PM  

FrancoFile: Technoir: FrancoFile: NightOwl2255: Technoir: The fark they aren't. Being a foot-bound sales-schlep does not entitle some douchecanoe to ignore my "No Trespassing" and "No Soliciting" signs. Unless you are an employee of a service provider I subscribe to, or a member of law-enforcement agency, don't knock on my farkin' door.

And if someone dare to knock on your door, what are you going to do? Shoot them? Use harsh language? Write a sternly worded letter?

This.

So if I notice that your house is on fire, or your child is lying bleeding in the street, I should just go about my business?

No kids, and genuine emergency would be an exception.

Okee doke.
What if I just moved in next door and wanted to introduce myself? You Canucks are notoriously friendly, aren't you?


Fark no. I don't want to know my neighbours. You'd get a "Yeah, what do you want? Oh, you just moved in down the hall? Swell. Good day." through the door.

I moved into the building for 2 reasons, it's fairly close to work, and to look after my mom who's getting up there in years, and my brother and sister and I decided one of us should be close by for her. I already know all I want to about my neighbours. Across the hall, family of West African immigrants who apparently dip their infant daughter in boiling oil for several hours a day, judging by the screaming that kid does. Next door, a cancer sufferer with one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel who smokes dope 24/7 on the balcony (along with his wife, who has no medical condition that would require medicinal weed), preventing me from enjoying mine. I'd move, but he's apparently got less than 4 months before the cancer kills him, and eviction proceedings on the people across the hall should come to a head soon, as their visas have expired and the building has lodged numerous complaints against them around damages to their unit (ie they rip the doors off the cupboards, holes in the walls, damages to the floors and windows, etc).
 
2012-07-31 01:51:06 PM  
Can we please just round up all those who live in constant fear and thus need to own dozens of firearms and dump them and all their guns into the middle of a stadium where they can collectively "stand their ground" so the rest of us can get on with our f*cking lives already?
 
2012-07-31 01:52:52 PM  

Magorn: Not entirely. Every Constittuional right, even the fundamental ones like free speech are subject to "Reasonable restrictions of Time, Place and Manner" when the state can show a compelling interest. Jurisprudence of more than a century recognizes that securing the safety and well-being of its citizens is the most compelling interest a state can have. Ergo restrictions on the right to keep and bear that are designed to secure that interest would be valid


No disagreement on reasonable restrictions, as a concept. I believe you and I would strongly differ on reasonable, though.

That being said, the recent cases in front of the SCOTUS have shown that firearms and classes of firearms cannot be banned outright, or even de facto banned due to onerous processes, lack of permit issuance, etc. While this guy definitely seems to be a nutbar, as evidenced by what's in this article, until someone could show a definite and present danger to society, there's really no good way to restrict his right to own a firearm nor should he ever enter into the discussion of firearm restrictions. He's an outlier. His case should be handled just as any other murder case would be - via the already established processes. No reason to try and use this as an argument for more restrictions or any other nonsense.
 
2012-07-31 01:53:52 PM  

Technoir: FrancoFile: Technoir: FrancoFile: NightOwl2255: Technoir: The fark they aren't. Being a foot-bound sales-schlep does not entitle some douchecanoe to ignore my "No Trespassing" and "No Soliciting" signs. Unless you are an employee of a service provider I subscribe to, or a member of law-enforcement agency, don't knock on my farkin' door.

And if someone dare to knock on your door, what are you going to do? Shoot them? Use harsh language? Write a sternly worded letter?

This.

So if I notice that your house is on fire, or your child is lying bleeding in the street, I should just go about my business?

No kids, and genuine emergency would be an exception.

Okee doke.
What if I just moved in next door and wanted to introduce myself? You Canucks are notoriously friendly, aren't you?

Fark no. I don't want to know my neighbours. You'd get a "Yeah, what do you want? Oh, you just moved in down the hall? Swell. Good day." through the door.

I moved into the building for 2 reasons, it's fairly close to work, and to look after my mom who's getting up there in years, and my brother and sister and I decided one of us should be close by for her. I already know all I want to about my neighbours. Across the hall, family of West African immigrants who apparently dip their infant daughter in boiling oil for several hours a day, judging by the screaming that kid does. Next door, a cancer sufferer with one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel who smokes dope 24/7 on the balcony (along with his wife, who has no medical condition that would require medicinal weed), preventing me from enjoying mine. I'd move, but he's apparently got less than 4 months before the cancer kills him, and eviction proceedings on the people across the hall should come to a head soon, as their visas have expired and the building has lodged numerous complaints against them around damages to their unit (ie they rip the doors off the cupboards, holes in the walls, damages to the floors and windows, e ...


Sucks to be you. Enjoy your miserable, fearful, misanthropic life.
 
2012-07-31 01:55:12 PM  

Technoir: b) informed the shiathead that he had until the count of three to remove himself from my doorstep or get punched.


Ah, I see you're going with impotent threats.
 
2012-07-31 01:55:26 PM  

Technoir: MythDragon: Goddammit so much.

What is with the crazies with guns lately?

Most of the people who own guns are responsible people. But these assholes make the rest of us look bad.
Like the one jackass who has to do 100mph wheelies down the interstate makes other motorcyle riders look bad.

And how does someone say "You shot me!" in a pleasant manner?

"Dude. You shot me? Totally uncool, bro. Uncool."


Use of the word "bro", even ironically, justifies a double-tap.
 
2012-07-31 02:00:58 PM  
Clearly this was the victim's fault for not bucking up after being shot and calmly saying, "You're right sir, I'm very sorry for trespassing. I've learned my lesson and I'll just go quietly now" while keeping both hands in plain sight.

Rookie mistake.
 
2012-07-31 02:01:10 PM  

brantgoose: Shooting a door-to-door salesman "for effect"? I believe in French we say "pour encourager les autres" (to encourage the others, or rather, to discourage the others).

But I would like to remind the gung-ho that the right to self-defence is posited on two constraints, namely 1) there should be a real threat to you which requires self-defence, a real and present danger, as they say in the security business, a cause, a real threat, and 2) your response should be appropriate and measured, limited to what is necessary to allow you to defend yourself, seek help, bring in the proper authorities.

For example, if a child sticky with jam attempts to hug you, shooting it in the face is not an appropriate and measured response, even though there is real and present danger of getting jam on your favorite golf shirt.

The basic idea of "stand your ground" in some people's mind seems to be: on my land, anything goes. I can shoot you for being there, regardless of who or what you are or why you are there. Stopping to ask for directions from a local: that's a shooting, wandering across an unmarked boundary while lost, that is definitely a shooting. This concept of stand your ground is strongest among conservatives yahoos and deranged individualists, which is to say, psychopaths. Oh, and illegal moonshiners and drug mongers.

On the other hand, the property owner and citizen may legitimately "stand their ground" against an attack or even an intruder. We've all seen reports of cases where the homeowner is charged for violence against a burglar. Some of these cases are legitimate self-defence, misconstrued by stupid cops, lawyers and judges, some of them are eggregious "standing your ground" in the wacko-Waco sense of being a complete sociopathic looney.

If there were fewer psychopaths and loonies going around abusing the concept of self-defence like Homer Simpson after his discovery of duelling (the tomacco episode), then there would be a Hell of a lot less gun related death and ...


This is why you are Farkied as "sensible Farker"
 
2012-07-31 02:12:51 PM  
Technoir SmartestFunniest 2012-07-31 01:50:47 PM


FrancoFile: Technoir: FrancoFile: NightOwl2255: Technoir: The fark they aren't. Being a foot-bound sales-schlep does not entitle some douchecanoe to ignore my "No Trespassing" and "No Soliciting" signs. Unless you are an employee of a service provider I subscribe to, or a member of law-enforcement agency, don't knock on my farkin' door.

And if someone dare to knock on your door, what are you going to do? Shoot them? Use harsh language? Write a sternly worded letter?

This.

So if I notice that your house is on fire, or your child is lying bleeding in the street, I should just go about my business?

No kids, and genuine emergency would be an exception.

Okee doke.
What if I just moved in next door and wanted to introduce myself? You Canucks are notoriously friendly, aren't you?

Fark no. I don't want to know my neighbours. You'd get a "Yeah, what do you want? Oh, you just moved in down the hall? Swell. Good day." through the door.

I moved into the building for 2 reasons, it's fairly close to work, and to look after my mom who's getting up there in years, and my brother and sister and I decided one of us should be close by for her. I already know all I want to about my neighbours. Across the hall, family of West African immigrants who apparently dip their infant daughter in boiling oil for several hours a day, judging by the screaming that kid does. Next door, a cancer sufferer with one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel who smokes dope 24/7 on the balcony (along with his wife, who has no medical condition that would require medicinal weed), preventing me from enjoying mine. I'd move, but he's apparently got less than 4 months before the cancer kills him, and eviction proceedings on the people across the hall should come to a head soon, as their visas have expired and the building has lodged numerous complaints against them around damages to their unit (ie they rip the doors off the cupboards, holes in the walls, damages to the floors and windows, etc).




Dude! You still live with your mom!


/oh, right, you take care of her. Got it.
 
2012-07-31 02:22:57 PM  
Technoir: I'd move

Don't bother, it wouldn't be worth the effort. You wouldn't be any less peeved at the new place.
 
2012-07-31 02:26:33 PM  

James!: If you pull a gun on a meter reader you should have your power shut off and your guns taken away.


He was "terrified"? Grow some farking balls.


This is the question I've always had about so many (not all) gun owners. Upthread someone mentioned some stats relating to deaths per person from guns in the US versus other nations, even nations with a history of gun ownership and use much longer than in the US. Some of those nations have actually been invaded, and have has fascist dictators and whatnot, so any paranoia they might have regarding government might be justified. Yet the paranoia just isn't there.

Problem here is that it's not the fault of the gun that so many people are getting shot and killed, it's the fault of the gun owner who somehow feels the world is out to get him (especially them darkies, because these people are almost always white males), and that only his cabinet of 3 dozen weapons and 6,000 rounds of ammunition will save him from impending doom.

What I'd like to know is... what are they afraid of? How can one exist in that advanced a state of pants-sh*tting fear their entire lives and not go bugf*ck insane?
 
2012-07-31 02:26:33 PM  
Was shooter white? Yes.
Was shootee black? No.

Then why is thread green?
 
2012-07-31 02:30:56 PM  
Pathman: Hundreds gather to remember, pray and support victims of terrible car crash

Poker Professional Ryan Young Passes Away In Car Accident

Chesapeake man killed in one-car accident

Crossmaglen Rangers GAA star Ciaran McKenna killed in car crash

St. Louis Car Crash Leaves David Gains Deceased

Young child injured in two-car crash

Shooting, car chase ends in multi-car crash on I-5; 3 injured

A sampling of some stories from today.
Enjoy your freedom to travel, car nuts.


So maybe we could start to regulate and govern guns at least as much as we do cars. How about that?
 
2012-07-31 02:31:51 PM  

Fano: I submitted this a couple days ago, receiving a "bad kitty, this has already been submitted and redlit" with the headline "Did you hear the one about the traveling salesman?"



I know a guy that can make that particular "bad kitty" go away - but it'll cost you $5 bucks a month.
 
2012-07-31 02:35:31 PM  

Cupajo: Pathman: Hundreds gather to remember, pray and support victims of terrible car crash

Poker Professional Ryan Young Passes Away In Car Accident

Chesapeake man killed in one-car accident

Crossmaglen Rangers GAA star Ciaran McKenna killed in car crash

St. Louis Car Crash Leaves David Gains Deceased

Young child injured in two-car crash

Shooting, car chase ends in multi-car crash on I-5; 3 injured

A sampling of some stories from today.
Enjoy your freedom to travel, car nuts.

So maybe we could start to regulate and govern guns at least as much as we do cars. How about that?



I don't regulate my car. Do you regulate your car?
 
2012-07-31 02:39:07 PM  
One shoudl not be selling Skittles and iced tea door-to-door.

/just sayin'
 
2012-07-31 02:42:14 PM  
The guy was one of those annoying door to door meat salesmen? The guy totally deserved it!

I guess I am the only voice of reason that thinks if you have three no trespassing signs on your property, and you trespass, you deserve to get your farking brains blown out.

No trespassing doesnt mean "no trespassing EXCEPT annoying farking door to door meat salesmen". It means you you farking retard.

A mans house and property is his castle. I think you should be allowed to put out signs that say "NO TRESPASSING - DEADLY FORCE WILL BE USED", and that should be all the legally required notice necessary.
 
2012-07-31 02:42:43 PM  

rewind2846:
This is the question I've always had about so many (not all) gun owners. Upthread someone mentioned some stats relating to deaths per person from guns in the US versus other nations, even nations with a history of gun ownership and use much longer than in the US. Some of those nations have actually been invaded, and have has fascist dictators and whatnot, so any paranoia they might have regarding government might be justified. Yet the paranoia just isn't there.


There are some definite cultural differences between the US and other areas. Some are inherent the relatively young nature of our country, to mixing of different cultures, the huge spaces available to us, and a general culture of excess. Couple that with relative affluence and we can have all sorts of phenomenon that aren't present elsewhere.

Problem here is that it's not the fault of the gun that so many people are getting shot and killed, it's the fault of the gun owner who somehow feels the world is out to get him (especially them darkies, because these people are almost always white males), and that only his cabinet of 3 dozen weapons and 6,000 rounds of ammunition will save him from impending doom.

I believe it's been quoted that over half of the deaths as a result of firearms are suicides. Another significant portion are criminal in nature (be it domestic violence or in the commission of another crime). Very, very few appear to be due to overzealous firearm owners. They do get a huge amount of press, though.

What I'd like to know is... what are they afraid of? How can one exist in that advanced a state of pants-sh*tting fear their entire lives and not go bugf*ck insane?

As for the rest, basically you're setting up a nice strawman. Evidence? The "darkies", always whitey, etc.
 
2012-07-31 02:46:22 PM  
A door-to-door steak reseller came to my door once. Started out by chatting me up on my sports car parked out front, regaling me with stories about his cousin who has a similar one, which naturally piqued my interest, but I couldn't get a word in edgewise. Then he tries to hand me a menu and after finally realizing he's a salesman I say "no thanks". His response: "Ooooh, thanks for wasting my time!" as he leaves in a huff.

What a twatwaffle.

If you're doing this as an adult I have no sympathy for you. Get an ethical job.
 
2012-07-31 02:46:50 PM  

asscorethethird: A mans house and property is his castle. I think you should be allowed to put out signs that say "NO TRESPASSING - DEADLY FORCE WILL BE USED", and that should be all the legally required notice necessary.


Then I suggest you move to a country that has laws that allow that.
 
2012-07-31 02:48:33 PM  
Many if not most door to door salesmen are casing your house. Our local "meat guy" is in jail now after orchestrating several residential burglaries. The no trespassing sign (made by Disney and with Pirate's theme) did not keep him out ( we were suspicious of him long before he was caught). The Teen Magazine Brigade was also indicted, as was a local realtor and a local pastor for similar door to door burglary rings.

We had to rope off our driveway and put a gate on the walk. You go around our hood now, about half of us have done something similar. We don't own a gun. We own video cameras and still cameras. Someone trespasses, we snap a photo and try to get license plate if possible. Last time anyone ignored gate and climbed through hedges to get to the door, husband had the camera ready. The supposed realtor RAN, hopping the gate and did NOT want pic taken. We called police. I shouted at him. Police scolded him but would not charge with trespassing. Told us to replace thorny hedge with big fence.

Actually watched a group of teens come by two days in a row during summer, with two different causes ( home security and then Jesus) and mark houses where people weren't home. Sure enough, one of those had two ATV's and a bunch of guns stolen

We don't have a lawn. Just thorny bushes and Disney no trespass signs.
 
2012-07-31 02:50:24 PM  
All he wanted was for the steak salesman to move along... but he still got...

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dead meat.
 
2012-07-31 02:52:23 PM  

Thuull: Pathman: Thuull: Can't say I feel sorry for the guy at all. If someone does not want to be bothered, and they let you know that, then you do not bother them...whether they are a crazy irresponsible gun owner or not does not matter in the least. Salesman got what was coming to him.

then you are an asshole.

this guy was just trying to do his job and he ended up bleeding to death in some redneck's driveway.
Got what was coming to him? what a dipshiat

That's fine, I kind of am an asshole, at least about certain things.

Just because it is the guy's job does not give him the right to tread upon the rights of others. He learned that lesson the hard way.


I don't think shooting someone in the back of the head, execution style, is going to teach them anything since they are now dead.
 
2012-07-31 02:53:30 PM  

nytmare: If you're doing this as an adult I have no sympathy for you. Get an ethical job.


The door-to-door-pressure-you-sales-people are douchebags but I do have sympathy for the one killed execution style...
 
2012-07-31 02:56:29 PM  

Amos Quito: Cupajo: Pathman: Hundreds gather to remember, pray and support victims of terrible car crash

Poker Professional Ryan Young Passes Away In Car Accident

Chesapeake man killed in one-car accident

Crossmaglen Rangers GAA star Ciaran McKenna killed in car crash

St. Louis Car Crash Leaves David Gains Deceased

Young child injured in two-car crash

Shooting, car chase ends in multi-car crash on I-5; 3 injured

A sampling of some stories from today.
Enjoy your freedom to travel, car nuts.

So maybe we could start to regulate and govern guns at least as much as we do cars. How about that?


I don't regulate my car. Do you regulate your car?


Pull out the title and registration and give it a once-over. The government (the collective "we" I was referring to) regulates your car.
Try selling your car out of your front yard. It's gonna require a trip downtown to the county clerk. Regulation.
Want to actually drive that car on the roads? You'll need insurance for that. Liability, at least. Regulation.

Guns, on the other hand, can be purchased at any gun show in the country without so much as a "you're not a felon, are you?"
 
2012-07-31 02:57:20 PM  

Thuull: Crazy? yup. Irresponsible gun owner? Yup.

Does not want anyone on his property and goes out of his way to post three signs saying so? Yup.

Bad things happening to bad people who do bad things...crappy story all around. The salesman however was unwelcome, knew he was unwelcome, completely disregarded the property owner's well stated wishes for the sanctity of his property, and paid for it. Can't say I feel sorry for the guy at all. If someone does not want to be bothered, and they let you know that, then you do not bother them...whether they are a crazy irresponsible gun owner or not does not matter in the least. Salesman got what was coming to him.


Make sure you give the cops your Fark handle when you stand your ground.
 
2012-07-31 02:58:31 PM  
I wonder how it feels to live in so much pants-wetting, teeth-grinding, abject FEAR that one needs to shoot random people in the back of the head in order to feel safe.
 
2012-07-31 02:59:32 PM  

crab66: Typical paranoid gun nut.


Yes, typical. Because this was such a typical incident from a typical gun owner that this made national headlines.

You sir, are a typical holpophobe.
 
2012-07-31 02:59:48 PM  

Amos Quito: Wow! That shooter dude is CRAZY!

The guy was selling steak and lobster, but he could have been selling anything - even cosmetics!

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JUSTICE FOR AVON!


I've never had a frozen steak guy that didn't come across as a criminal.
 
2012-07-31 03:00:49 PM  

Cupajo: Amos Quito: Cupajo: Pathman: Hundreds gather to remember, pray and support victims of terrible car crash

Poker Professional Ryan Young Passes Away In Car Accident

Chesapeake man killed in one-car accident

Crossmaglen Rangers GAA star Ciaran McKenna killed in car crash

St. Louis Car Crash Leaves David Gains Deceased

Young child injured in two-car crash

Shooting, car chase ends in multi-car crash on I-5; 3 injured

A sampling of some stories from today.
Enjoy your freedom to travel, car nuts.

So maybe we could start to regulate and govern guns at least as much as we do cars. How about that?


I don't regulate my car. Do you regulate your car?

Pull out the title and registration and give it a once-over. The government (the collective "we" I was referring to) regulates your car.
Try selling your car out of your front yard. It's gonna require a trip downtown to the county clerk. Regulation.
Want to actually drive that car on the roads? You'll need insurance for that. Liability, at least. Regulation.

Guns, on the other hand, can be purchased at any gun show in the country without so much as a "you're not a felon, are you?"


Driving is a privelege.
 
2012-07-31 03:01:17 PM  

Cupajo: Guns, on the other hand, can be purchased at any gun show in the country without so much as a "you're not a felon, are you?"


When I bought a gun at the gun show, they did the back ground check just like when buying one at BassPro.
 
2012-07-31 03:01:46 PM  

Soymilk: I wonder how it feels to live in so much pants-wetting, teeth-grinding, abject FEAR that one needs to shoot random people in the back of the head in order to feel safe.


Or chiuahuas.
 
2012-07-31 03:04:06 PM  

NightOwl2255: Cupajo: Guns, on the other hand, can be purchased at any gun show in the country without so much as a "you're not a felon, are you?"

When I bought a gun at the gun show, they did the back ground check just like when buying one at BassPro.


Cupajo is referring (hopefully though education and not accidentally through ignorance) the sale of long guns between two citizens without any paperwork. Sales through dealers of long guns and all handgun sales still require background checks. The private sale of long guns has been a hot button issue.
 
2012-07-31 03:04:18 PM  

NightOwl2255: Cupajo: Guns, on the other hand, can be purchased at any gun show in the country without so much as a "you're not a felon, are you?"

When I bought a gun at the gun show, they did the back ground check just like when buying one at BassPro.


Damn dude, they sell guns at your car audio place?
 
2012-07-31 03:05:39 PM  

asscorethethird: The guy was one of those annoying door to door meat salesmen? The guy totally deserved it!

I guess I am the only voice of reason that thinks if you have three no trespassing signs on your property, and you trespass, you deserve to get your farking brains blown out.

No trespassing doesnt mean "no trespassing EXCEPT annoying farking door to door meat salesmen". It means you you farking retard.

A mans house and property is his castle. I think you should be allowed to put out signs that say "NO TRESPASSING - DEADLY FORCE WILL BE USED", and that should be all the legally required notice necessary.


The sign you want is not 'no trespassing', it's 'no solicitors'. If you see a no trespassing sign on a driveway, you can assume you aren't welcome unless you have business with the inhabitants. However, a door-to-door salesman will just say he does have business with them, and is therefor not trespassing. 'No solicitors' defeats that argument, and many places have special laws barring solicitors from places which have posted notice. So if you actually want to keep solicitors away, and not just to shoot someone, at least get the proper sign.
 
2012-07-31 03:06:50 PM  

Cupajo: Amos Quito: Cupajo: Pathman: Hundreds gather to remember, pray and support victims of terrible car crash

Poker Professional Ryan Young Passes Away In Car Accident

Chesapeake man killed in one-car accident

Crossmaglen Rangers GAA star Ciaran McKenna killed in car crash

St. Louis Car Crash Leaves David Gains Deceased

Young child injured in two-car crash

Shooting, car chase ends in multi-car crash on I-5; 3 injured

A sampling of some stories from today.
Enjoy your freedom to travel, car nuts.

So maybe we could start to regulate and govern guns at least as much as we do cars. How about that?


I don't regulate my car. Do you regulate your car?

Pull out the title and registration and give it a once-over. The government (the collective "we" I was referring to) regulates your car.
Try selling your car out of your front yard. It's gonna require a trip downtown to the county clerk. Regulation.
Want to actually drive that car on the roads? You'll need insurance for that. Liability, at least. Regulation.

Guns, on the other hand, can be purchased at any gun show in the country without so much as a "you're not a felon, are you?"



Which country do you live in?
 
2012-07-31 03:07:37 PM  

FrancoFile: Technoir: FrancoFile: Technoir: FrancoFile: NightOwl2255: Technoir: The fark they aren't. Being a foot-bound sales-schlep does not entitle some douchecanoe to ignore my "No Trespassing" and "No Soliciting" signs. Unless you are an employee of a service provider I subscribe to, or a member of law-enforcement agency, don't knock on my farkin' door.

And if someone dare to knock on your door, what are you going to do? Shoot them? Use harsh language? Write a sternly worded letter?

This.

So if I notice that your house is on fire, or your child is lying bleeding in the street, I should just go about my business?

No kids, and genuine emergency would be an exception.

Okee doke.
What if I just moved in next door and wanted to introduce myself? You Canucks are notoriously friendly, aren't you?

Fark no. I don't want to know my neighbours. You'd get a "Yeah, what do you want? Oh, you just moved in down the hall? Swell. Good day." through the door.

I moved into the building for 2 reasons, it's fairly close to work, and to look after my mom who's getting up there in years, and my brother and sister and I decided one of us should be close by for her. I already know all I want to about my neighbours. Across the hall, family of West African immigrants who apparently dip their infant daughter in boiling oil for several hours a day, judging by the screaming that kid does. Next door, a cancer sufferer with one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel who smokes dope 24/7 on the balcony (along with his wife, who has no medical condition that would require medicinal weed), preventing me from enjoying mine. I'd move, but he's apparently got less than 4 months before the cancer kills him, and eviction proceedings on the people across the hall should come to a head soon, as their visas have expired and the building has lodged numerous complaints against them around damages to their unit (ie they rip the doors off the cupboards, holes in the walls, damages to the floors and ...


Misanthropic, sure. Fearful, not particularly. I just don't really care to associate with the people around me because I'm choosy.
 
2012-07-31 03:09:03 PM  

phaseolus: Technoir: I'd move

Don't bother, it wouldn't be worth the effort. You wouldn't be any less peeved at the new place.


Probably not, but next place will likely be a house, which minimizes the social impact neighbours can inflict on my life.
 
2012-07-31 03:09:19 PM  
The fact that he did not ask the guy to identify himself seems like a big issue to me. For all he knew, it could have been another meter reader, a new neighbor, or some religious nut.

The fact that he just shot, then waited a couple minutes and executed the guy, says he is nothing more that a cold blooded killer. Because he waited, that should be charged as murder under special circumstance, which I believe carries either life in prison without the possibility of parole or the death penalty.

Frustratingly sad story.
 
2012-07-31 03:09:36 PM  

silverjets: Wow.

How pathetic of a life do you have to lead to be so in fear that you shoot someone for simply walking towards you??

Good god, what is wrong with people today?


Fox News
 
2012-07-31 03:10:07 PM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: NightOwl2255: Cupajo: Guns, on the other hand, can be purchased at any gun show in the country without so much as a "you're not a felon, are you?"

When I bought a gun at the gun show, they did the back ground check just like when buying one at BassPro.

Cupajo is referring (hopefully though education and not accidentally through ignorance) the sale of long guns between two citizens without any paperwork. Sales through dealers of long guns and all handgun sales still require background checks. The private sale of long guns has been a hot button issue.


That too, of course. Although I was specifically referring to the lax record keeping and background checking done at gun shows down at your local civic center. NightOwl2255 might have had a different experience when he bought at a gun show, but I can assure you there are plenty of instances of "I'll be packing up around 10PM; meet me out in the parking lot and we can do this then; bring cash" between gun show seller and impatient gun show buyer.
 
2012-07-31 03:12:56 PM  

Cupajo: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: NightOwl2255: Cupajo: Guns, on the other hand, can be purchased at any gun show in the country without so much as a "you're not a felon, are you?"

When I bought a gun at the gun show, they did the back ground check just like when buying one at BassPro.

Cupajo is referring (hopefully though education and not accidentally through ignorance) the sale of long guns between two citizens without any paperwork. Sales through dealers of long guns and all handgun sales still require background checks. The private sale of long guns has been a hot button issue.

That too, of course. Although I was specifically referring to the lax record keeping and background checking done at gun shows down at your local civic center. NightOwl2255 might have had a different experience when he bought at a gun show, but I can assure you there are plenty of instances of "I'll be packing up around 10PM; meet me out in the parking lot and we can do this then; bring cash" between gun show seller and impatient gun show buyer.


What? No, no there is not any instances of that kind of thing. A background check takes a quick five minute phone call. There is no reason a dealer, who makes his living selling firearms, is going to risk losing his license because he can't be bothered to make the required phone call.
 
2012-07-31 03:13:47 PM  
I'm betting he was a member the NRA.

And PETA.
 
2012-07-31 03:14:17 PM  

bluefoxicy: Dimensio: bluefoxicy: Most gun owners are a brainwashed lot that believe guns are the only effective weapons

Please substantiate this assertion.

Well....

Alonjar:

I had two crack heads force their way into my apartment and rob me at gunpoint after knocking on my door. I could see the bullet sitting in the chamber down the barrel of the gun. The guy had it pointed directly at my face, and his hands were shaking like he was farking Michael J Fox (drug withdrawal I assume).

[...]

Why do I live my life in terror? I dont. Now that I carry every day, Im not afraid of a farking thing.

Take this guy for example. Somebody knocks on his door, he opens it, and the little chain that only lets the door open 3 inches snaps like a rubber band when a grown man puts his weight on it. The grown man shoves a gun through the door and in his face, chain breaks as he kicks the door in.

So this guy is no longer afraid, because he carries a gun.

So whenever he answers the door, he's going to immediately stick his gun in the face of whoever is there? That's basically in line with the paranoia of this Florida redneck.

Or is he going to stand there with a gun in his face, reach down, pull out his gun, and shoot the guy, who obviously won't shoot him in the face in the mean time?

You see, he believes his gun is his sword and his shield. He believes it's functionally better than a katana, nunchaku, sai, a sock full of quarters, or his fists, because it will protect him from bullets from another gun. A gun is power, and that power allows him to stand against another gun. We can all plainly see that a sword won't deflect bullets (you are not Luke Skywalker); however somehow this man has concluded that a gun can.


A sample of one does not constitute a valid data set.
 
2012-07-31 03:15:03 PM  
A firearm purchased from a dealer at a gun show is no different from a firearm purchased from a dealer at a gun store. The fact that you don't know this proves what an ignorance hoplophobe you really are.
 
2012-07-31 03:16:03 PM  

StrangeQ: Rapmaster2000: Roop told detectives Rainey should have respected his three "No Trespassing" signs

There's a new neighbor on my street who has posted "PRIVATE PROPERTY" signs in his front yard. I don't get it.

Some people are just touchy about it. The wife and I were looking at houses in a wooded community and every other one had some combination of NO TRESPASSING, PRIVATE PROPERTY and BEWARE OF DOG signs posted. It was a little scary.


Best way to post is on a stake with a pile of bloodstained human skulls around the bottom. I like to impale one at the top too. For effect.
 
2012-07-31 03:16:17 PM  

thetubameister: Dimensio: pacified: Also bro, by carrying a gun everyday, you pretty much admit to being in fear.

Please explain the logic by which you have derived your conclusion.

If you're afraid without it, then you're still afraid.,, and probably dangerous. Enjoy your lethal security blanket.


You have not demonstrated that carrying a firearm daily constitutes an admission of fear.
 
2012-07-31 03:17:57 PM  

Dimensio: thetubameister: Dimensio: pacified: Also bro, by carrying a gun everyday, you pretty much admit to being in fear.

Please explain the logic by which you have derived your conclusion.

If you're afraid without it, then you're still afraid.,, and probably dangerous. Enjoy your lethal security blanket.

You have not demonstrated that carrying a firearm daily constitutes an admission of fear.


It's the same way you are scared of driving because you wear a seatbelt. Do you REALLY believe that every single tractor trailer is out to get you??
 
2012-07-31 03:22:19 PM  

asscorethethird: The guy was one of those annoying door to door meat salesmen? The guy totally deserved it!

I guess I am the only voice of reason that thinks if you have three no trespassing signs on your property, and you trespass, you deserve to get your farking brains blown out.

No trespassing doesnt mean "no trespassing EXCEPT annoying farking door to door meat salesmen". It means you you farking retard.

A mans house and property is his castle. I think you should be allowed to put out signs that say "NO TRESPASSING - DEADLY FORCE WILL BE USED", and that should be all the legally required notice necessary.


As you have previously explicitly expressed a total disregard for respect for private property, your statements are entirely hypocritical.
 
2012-07-31 03:23:46 PM  
ronaprhys:
There are some definite cultural differences between the US and other areas.

Okay... so if you get your house invaded one night while your family is there, I can understand why you might purchase a gun. Something bad happened to you, you react. However, that doesn't explain why nations that have actually had bad things happen to them aren't and gun crazy as the US is.


I believe it's been quoted that over half of the deaths as a result of firearms are suicides.


Not the subject. Notice I used the words "shot and killed", as in "by another person", not "deaths". Try again.

As for the rest, basically you're setting up a nice strawman. Evidence? The "darkies", always whitey, etc.

Okay... so find me more than one or two of these types of incidents where the perp isn't a white male, and maybe I'll believe you. The threads just on this forum (others are worse) will bear out my "fear of them" hypothesis, and "they" are almost always non-whites. Other suspects are "the government", "the jews", and "just plain anyone else". Unfortunately the salesman fell into the last category, visiting this guy just as he seemed to be having one of his episodes.
 
2012-07-31 03:24:02 PM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: Dimensio: thetubameister: Dimensio: pacified: Also bro, by carrying a gun everyday, you pretty much admit to being in fear.

Please explain the logic by which you have derived your conclusion.

If you're afraid without it, then you're still afraid.,, and probably dangerous. Enjoy your lethal security blanket.

You have not demonstrated that carrying a firearm daily constitutes an admission of fear.

It's the same way you are scared of driving because you wear a seatbelt. Do you REALLY believe that every single tractor trailer is out to get you??


so... you are comparing wearing a seat belt to carrying a firearm??? Oh yeah that makes logical sense good work!!
 
2012-07-31 03:25:01 PM  

bluefoxicy: Take this guy for example. Somebody knocks on his door, he opens it, and the little chain that only lets the door open 3 inches snaps like a rubber band when a grown man puts his weight on it. The grown man shoves a gun through the door and in his face, chain breaks as he kicks the door in.

So this guy is no longer afraid, because he carries a gun.

So whenever he answers the door, he's going to immediately stick his gun in the face of whoever is there? That's basically in line with the paranoia of this Florida redneck.

Or is he going to stand there with a gun in his face, reach down, pull out his gun, and shoot the guy, who obviously won't shoot him in the face in the mean time?.


... and then in real life, i place my foot behind the door as i open it, preventing anyone from quickly forcing it open, and like i said.. i already have the gun in my hand obscured from view. While their focus is still on pushing the door open, i went ahead and took the half a second it takes to aim the weapon and fire.

Nice imagination though, perhaps i should take your advice and become a ninja.
 
2012-07-31 03:26:16 PM  

neems: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: Dimensio: thetubameister: Dimensio: pacified: Also bro, by carrying a gun everyday, you pretty much admit to being in fear.

Please explain the logic by which you have derived your conclusion.

If you're afraid without it, then you're still afraid.,, and probably dangerous. Enjoy your lethal security blanket.

You have not demonstrated that carrying a firearm daily constitutes an admission of fear.

It's the same way you are scared of driving because you wear a seatbelt. Do you REALLY believe that every single tractor trailer is out to get you??

so... you are comparing wearing a seat belt to carrying a firearm??? Oh yeah that makes logical sense good work!!


Both devices are strapped around my waist. I have, thus far, never required use of either device. The comparison, while not perfect, does seem appropriate.
 
2012-07-31 03:27:05 PM  

Dimensio: You have not demonstrated that carrying a firearm daily constitutes an admission of fear.


In that particular example, the guy admits to having a gun every time he answers the door and every time he leaves his house. Because he once had a gun pointed at him in a robbery. Now, he says, he's not afraid because he always has his gun with him. This means that he is afraid every time he doesn't have his gun with him and that he carries the gun to not be afraid. This is his admission of fear.

It also makes him terribly, terribly dangerous. His gun magically protects him and makes him fearful of nothing. An over confident guy with a gun who worries about having another gun pointed at him ever, ever again is likely to assess situations much differently and to see guns as much more prevalent than they are. That guy was holding a gun! No, he was holding a soda bottle, you think it's a gun because you would be holding your gun if you were him. The above poster is dangerous and needs therapy, not a firearm.
 
2012-07-31 03:28:13 PM  

neems: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: Dimensio: thetubameister: Dimensio: pacified: Also bro, by carrying a gun everyday, you pretty much admit to being in fear.

Please explain the logic by which you have derived your conclusion.

If you're afraid without it, then you're still afraid.,, and probably dangerous. Enjoy your lethal security blanket.

You have not demonstrated that carrying a firearm daily constitutes an admission of fear.

It's the same way you are scared of driving because you wear a seatbelt. Do you REALLY believe that every single tractor trailer is out to get you??

so... you are comparing wearing a seat belt to carrying a firearm??? Oh yeah that makes logical sense good work!!


I'm picking up on some attempted sarcasm, but you have done nothing to disprove my analogy and have only served to out yourself as a bigoted hoplophobe.
 
2012-07-31 03:30:51 PM  

MythDragon: Goddammit so much.

What is with the crazies with guns lately?

Most of the people who own guns are responsible people. But these assholes make the rest of us look bad.
Like the one jackass who has to do 100mph wheelies down the interstate makes other motorcyle riders look bad.

And how does someone say "You shot me!" in a pleasant manner?


I always think the guys doing 100mph wheelies down the interstate are farkin' awesome!! The rest of you bikers need to learn how to ride.
 
2012-07-31 03:32:43 PM  
Driving is a privelege.


Why do people like to repeat this stupid sentence, despite it not being patently false?
 
2012-07-31 03:33:42 PM  

Alonjar: bluefoxicy: Take this guy for example. Somebody knocks on his door, he opens it, and the little chain that only lets the door open 3 inches snaps like a rubber band when a grown man puts his weight on it. The grown man shoves a gun through the door and in his face, chain breaks as he kicks the door in.

So this guy is no longer afraid, because he carries a gun.

So whenever he answers the door, he's going to immediately stick his gun in the face of whoever is there? That's basically in line with the paranoia of this Florida redneck.

Or is he going to stand there with a gun in his face, reach down, pull out his gun, and shoot the guy, who obviously won't shoot him in the face in the mean time?.

... and then in real life, i place my foot behind the door as i open it, preventing anyone from quickly forcing it open, and like i said.. i already have the gun in my hand obscured from view. While their focus is still on pushing the door open, i went ahead and took the half a second it takes to aim the weapon and fire.

Nice imagination though, perhaps i should take your advice and become a ninja.


Your foot? Ha!
 
2012-07-31 03:36:59 PM  
I'm wondering who the tard jurors were who let this guy off the hook the first time.I hope they feel better now, the dead guy's blood is on their hands.
 
2012-07-31 03:38:02 PM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: hoplophobe


Um nope, own several guns, I feel absolutely no need to carry them with me. I use them for hunting, not to prevent Semi's from hitting me.
 
2012-07-31 03:38:13 PM  

Cupajo: Pathman: Hundreds gather to remember, pray and support victims of terrible car crash

Poker Professional Ryan Young Passes Away In Car Accident

Chesapeake man killed in one-car accident

Crossmaglen Rangers GAA star Ciaran McKenna killed in car crash

St. Louis Car Crash Leaves David Gains Deceased

Young child injured in two-car crash

Shooting, car chase ends in multi-car crash on I-5; 3 injured

A sampling of some stories from today.
Enjoy your freedom to travel, car nuts.

So maybe we could start to regulate and govern guns at least as much as we do cars. How about that?


uh - don't we already? I don't remember having to submit to fingerprinting or a background check the last time i bought a car.

Are you buying cars with gun turrets?
 
2012-07-31 03:40:01 PM  
TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: What? No, no there is not any instances of that kind of thing. A background check takes a quick five minute phone call. There is no reason a dealer, who makes his living selling firearms, is going to risk losing his license because he can't be bothered to make the required phone call.

No instances? That's a bold claim. I have personally witnessed cash-4-guns transactions in the parking lot behind a gun show twice in the last year.
 
2012-07-31 03:40:57 PM  

gadian: Dimensio: You have not demonstrated that carrying a firearm daily constitutes an admission of fear.

In that particular example, the guy admits to having a gun every time he answers the door and every time he leaves his house. Because he once had a gun pointed at him in a robbery. Now, he says, he's not afraid because he always has his gun with him. This means that he is afraid every time he doesn't have his gun with him and that he carries the gun to not be afraid. This is his admission of fear.

It also makes him terribly, terribly dangerous. His gun magically protects him and makes him fearful of nothing. An over confident guy with a gun who worries about having another gun pointed at him ever, ever again is likely to assess situations much differently and to see guns as much more prevalent than they are. That guy was holding a gun! No, he was holding a soda bottle, you think it's a gun because you would be holding your gun if you were him. The above poster is dangerous and needs therapy, not a firearm.


Thats an awful lot of assumptions you are making.
 
2012-07-31 03:41:28 PM  

Cupajo: Pull out the title and registration and give it a once-over. The government (the collective "we" I was referring to) regulates your car.
Try selling your car out of your front yard. It's gonna require a trip downtown to the county clerk. Regulation.
Want to actually drive that car on the roads? You'll need insurance for that. Liability, at least. Regulation.

Guns, on the other hand, can be purchased at any gun show in the country without so much as a "you're not a felon, are you?"


yeah - i don't know where you're buying your guns, but you're not buying them legally.
you can't just sell your firearm out in your front yard either.

i have no doubt that people do it - but they're not doing it legally.
i have no problem with government enforcing the law.
 
2012-07-31 03:42:29 PM  
Pathman

Dear Jerk: The right to keep and bear arms implies a limit of two.

yeah - because if this guy had less guns he probably wouldn't have shot this kid

Scalia said the term "arms" implies a size limit. By that same reasoning it implies a possession limit. I'm not saying people won't die, I'm just saying the NRA is nuts.
 
2012-07-31 03:45:24 PM  

doubled99: Driving is a privelege.


Why do people like to repeat this stupid sentence, despite it not being patently false?


I bet you confuse yourself often.
 
2012-07-31 03:50:13 PM  

StoPPeRmobile:

Your foot? Ha!


Go put your sneaker on, and stand behind your door. Ask someone to force it open. Do us the favor of uploading a youtube video of said experiment. Should be good to watch.

Either way, we're getting way off topic with hypothetical situations. All i know is, the one time I had my life put in danger during a robbery, I had plenty of opportunities to draw a weapon and fire it with little risk of return fire. if I am in a situation where I dont have a tactical advantage, obviously I wouldnt try to make a move.
 
2012-07-31 03:51:45 PM  

Dear Jerk: Scalia said the term "arms" implies a size limit. By that same reasoning it implies a possession limit. I'm not saying people won't die, I'm just saying the NRA is nuts.


i don't see how the size of the arms implies a possession limit...

for the sake of conversation, if i were a fed looking to try and restrict people from hoarding weapons i would probably take a page out of the drug war's book and try and spin it in such a way that someone buying that many firearms is probably not doing it "for personal use" - in other words he's arming people who should be arming themselves...
 
2012-07-31 03:53:30 PM  

Cupajo: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: What? No, no there is not any instances of that kind of thing. A background check takes a quick five minute phone call. There is no reason a dealer, who makes his living selling firearms, is going to risk losing his license because he can't be bothered to make the required phone call.

No instances? That's a bold claim. I have personally witnessed cash-4-guns transactions in the parking lot behind a gun show a crime taking place twice in the last year.

 
2012-07-31 03:54:02 PM  

Pathman: Cupajo: Pull out the title and registration and give it a once-over. The government (the collective "we" I was referring to) regulates your car.
Try selling your car out of your front yard. It's gonna require a trip downtown to the county clerk. Regulation.
Want to actually drive that car on the roads? You'll need insurance for that. Liability, at least. Regulation.

Guns, on the other hand, can be purchased at any gun show in the country without so much as a "you're not a felon, are you?"

yeah - i don't know where you're buying your guns, but you're not buying them legally.
you can't just sell your firearm out in your front yard either.

i have no doubt that people do it - but they're not doing it legally.
i have no problem with government enforcing the law.


You are entirely wrong. Citizens can legally sell weapons to other citizens without any form of background check. Only dealers are required to do this. If you saw a private sale happen at a gun show, it was two private citizens making the transaction, and not a dealer.
 
2012-07-31 03:57:33 PM  

Cupajo: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: What? No, no there is not any instances of that kind of thing. A background check takes a quick five minute phone call. There is no reason a dealer, who makes his living selling firearms, is going to risk losing his license because he can't be bothered to make the required phone call.

No instances? That's a bold claim. I have personally witnessed cash-4-guns transactions in the parking lot behind a gun show twice in the last year.


Did you call the authorities?
 
2012-07-31 04:00:59 PM  

Dimensio:
Both devices are strapped around my waist. I have, thus far, never required use of either device. The comparison, while not perfect, does seem appropriate.


No, it doesn't. One belt is made to carry a device that is designed to kill a person. The other is made to save a person's life in case the vehicle crashes.

What is it with these morans that try ato equate the people killed in automobile accidents with the number of people killed by other people with guns? One set of data is accidental (as in "not on purpose") and the other is "on purpose" (as in "I'm going to kill you... for effect"). The two have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
"Maybe we should outlaw cars then DURRRR!" WTF?
 
2012-07-31 04:01:06 PM  

gadian: Dimensio: You have not demonstrated that carrying a firearm daily constitutes an admission of fear.

In that particular example, the guy admits to having a gun every time he answers the door and every time he leaves his house. Because he once had a gun pointed at him in a robbery. Now, he says, he's not afraid because he always has his gun with him. This means that he is afraid every time he doesn't have his gun with him and that he carries the gun to not be afraid. This is his admission of fear.

It also makes him terribly, terribly dangerous. His gun magically protects him and makes him fearful of nothing. An over confident guy with a gun who worries about having another gun pointed at him ever, ever again is likely to assess situations much differently and to see guns as much more prevalent than they are. That guy was holding a gun! No, he was holding a soda bottle, you think it's a gun because you would be holding your gun if you were him. The above poster is dangerous and needs therapy, not a firearm.


A sample size of one is insufficient to demonstrate a universally applicable motive.
 
2012-07-31 04:04:59 PM  

Alonjar: Pathman: Cupajo: Pull out the title and registration and give it a once-over. The government (the collective "we" I was referring to) regulates your car.
Try selling your car out of your front yard. It's gonna require a trip downtown to the county clerk. Regulation.
Want to actually drive that car on the roads? You'll need insurance for that. Liability, at least. Regulation.

Guns, on the other hand, can be purchased at any gun show in the country without so much as a "you're not a felon, are you?"

yeah - i don't know where you're buying your guns, but you're not buying them legally.
you can't just sell your firearm out in your front yard either.

i have no doubt that people do it - but they're not doing it legally.
i have no problem with government enforcing the law.

You are entirely wrong. Citizens can legally sell weapons to other citizens without any form of background check. Only dealers are required to do this. If you saw a private sale happen at a gun show, it was two private citizens making the transaction, and not a dealer.


I thought you could only sell a long gun in to someone in your state of residence only?
 
2012-07-31 04:09:39 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Cupajo: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: What? No, no there is not any instances of that kind of thing. A background check takes a quick five minute phone call. There is no reason a dealer, who makes his living selling firearms, is going to risk losing his license because he can't be bothered to make the required phone call.

No instances? That's a bold claim. I have personally witnessed cash-4-guns transactions in the parking lot behind a gun show twice in the last year.

Did you call the authorities?


I did the first time. I was informed that it was "probably just a transaction between two gun-show attendees" even though I told the officer on the phone that the seller was in the process of carting 10 or 12 plastic cases from the convention center to his truck at the time. Seems strange that someone would go to browse at a gun show with a dozen cases of firearms in tow.
 
2012-07-31 04:10:41 PM  

xanadian: RexTalionis: More and more of these nutjobs everyday and they always seem to be from Florida.

It's the heat. It addles their brains.


Would explain the needed Arizona tag..although, why no Nevada tag? You wanna see a place that bakes peoples brains inside their skulls...I personally have lost at least 6 IQ points that I couldn't afford to lose just from living there three years.
 
2012-07-31 04:11:06 PM  

rewind2846: Dimensio:
Both devices are strapped around my waist. I have, thus far, never required use of either device. The comparison, while not perfect, does seem appropriate.

No, it doesn't. One belt is made to carry a device that is designed to kill a person. The other is made to save a person's life in case the vehicle crashes.

What is it with these morans that try ato equate the people killed in automobile accidents with the number of people killed by other people with guns? One set of data is accidental (as in "not on purpose") and the other is "on purpose" (as in "I'm going to kill you... for effect"). The two have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
"Maybe we should outlaw cars then DURRRR!" WTF?


ZWell, driving is only a privilege.
 
2012-07-31 04:11:23 PM  

Cupajo: No instances? That's a bold claim. I have personally witnessed cash-4-guns transactions in the parking lot behind a gun show twice in the last year.


A purchase between two private individuals is perfectly legal. If the seller was a licensed dealer, however, they're required to do the background check. For your anecdote to hold any water whatsoever, here's what you'll need to demonstrate:

1 - that one of the parties was an actual licensed dealer.
2 - that no background check was actually made (remember, they could've called earlier and documented everything and just received payment then).
3 - was no receipt actually issued? Did you confirm this?

And, if you saw a felony being committed, why wouldn't you actually call someone to put a stop to it? That'd make the newswires rather quickly if you could demonstrate that dealers were breaking the law, especially since many idiots happily believe the "gun show loophole" nonsense.
 
2012-07-31 04:12:55 PM  

Cupajo: I did the first time. I was informed that it was "probably just a transaction between two gun-show attendees" even though I told the officer on the phone that the seller was in the process of carting 10 or 12 plastic cases from the convention center to his truck at the time. Seems strange that someone would go to browse at a gun show with a dozen cases of firearms in tow.


Oooookay.
 
2012-07-31 04:13:56 PM  
We don't have a gun law problem..we have mental health law problem. There once was a time when a nutjob like this would've been visited by the guys in white suits with butterfly nets and hauled off to the loony bin before he could do any damage. Today, it is virtually impossible to have someone forcibly committed unless they state they are going to kill people (and mean it). Thank you O'Connor v. Donaldson.
 
2012-07-31 04:15:26 PM  

Pathman:

I thought you could only sell a long gun in to someone in your state of residence only?


The laws vary from state to state, but in the ones Ive lived its any weapon. You may be required to both be a resident of the same state, im not sure, Ive never had to deal with out of state residents (and wouldnt, due to the increased risk of them being criminals).
 
2012-07-31 04:22:25 PM  

Alonjar: Pathman:

I thought you could only sell a long gun in to someone in your state of residence only?

The laws vary from state to state, but in the ones Ive lived its any weapon. You may be required to both be a resident of the same state, im not sure, Ive never had to deal with out of state residents (and wouldnt, due to the increased risk of them being criminals).


interesting. i only own long guns - one i bought locally from a FFL dealer (that required a background check) and another from out of state which required transfer to a FFL dealer here and then another background check.
 
2012-07-31 04:46:49 PM  

czei: "Roop said he was still in fear and thought Rainey was reaching for something, so he shot Rainey once more in the back of the head, "for effect," the report said."

That is chilling. Can you imagine shooting someone in the back of the head "for effect"?


The moron corrupted a military term. "Fire for effect," is the command given at the weapons range during qualification to let soldiers know to start firing at the popup targets. This twatwaffle took it as, "shoot to kill, " an unarmed innocent man.
 
2012-07-31 05:07:15 PM  

ArmyWarVet: czei: "Roop said he was still in fear and thought Rainey was reaching for something, so he shot Rainey once more in the back of the head, "for effect," the report said."

That is chilling. Can you imagine shooting someone in the back of the head "for effect"?

The moron corrupted a military term. "Fire for effect," is the command given at the weapons range during qualification to let soldiers know to start firing at the popup targets. This twatwaffle took it as, "shoot to kill, " an unarmed innocent man.


Or that the artillery is now on target and it's time for the real killing to begin.
 
2012-07-31 05:16:45 PM  
This guy sounds a lot like your average Fark gun nut. I can hear them now: "If this guy doesn't have the freedom to shoot people who step foot on his property, then we might as well be living in Nazi Germany."
 
2012-07-31 05:18:03 PM  
This happened near here and the News-Press has had several stories about this. There is no doubt that this is murder plain and simple.
 
2012-07-31 05:30:19 PM  

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: This guy sounds a lot like your average Fark gun nut. I can hear them now: "If this guy doesn't have the freedom to shoot people who step foot on his property, then we might as well be living in Nazi Germany."


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2012-07-31 05:32:50 PM  

6655321: Why is it that these shooters believe that other people's lives are meaningless but their's are sacred?



Republicans?
 
2012-07-31 05:42:56 PM  

Captain_Ballbeard: 6655321: Why is it that these shooters believe that other people's lives are meaningless but their's are sacred?


Republicans?


-1 for poor attempt at trolling.

/extreme narcissism would be my answer to the question.
 
2012-07-31 05:51:07 PM  

6655321: Why is it that these shooters believe that other people's lives are meaningless but their's are sacred?
I have no problem if the nutjobs pop themselves, as long as no one else is endangered.


www.theringlord.org
 
2012-07-31 06:10:13 PM  

Click Click D'oh: gilgigamesh: What do, NRA goons?

What, you honestly think the NRA condones executing unarmed and wounded people laying on the ground?

Really?

Is that all you guys can do these days, yell NRA BAD NRA BAD NRA BAAAA! BAAAA!


Mentally unstable people execute the unarmed and wounded. The NRA attempts to block all legislation which would stop mentally unstable people from getting guns, such as mandatory background checks, even for private party/gun show sales.

If the NRA doesn't condone the behavior, it at best considers the victim collateral damage in the NRA's campaign for unfettered access to firearms.
 
2012-07-31 07:17:06 PM  
Why the hell do we have guns???

I own two guns, but I never EVER carry them. Even when I've found myself in sticky situations, I've never wished I had a gun. Why? So someone, possibly me, could have ended up dead?

If someone pulls a gun on me, I won't try to shoot first, I'll just give them what they want. My life is worth way more than that.
 
2012-07-31 07:36:12 PM  

ghare: jbuist: gilgigamesh: What do, NRA goons?

Well...

gilgigamesh: He was tried once for threatening a meter reader with a gun, but got acquitted.

Fix that. He should have been convicted of a crime for what he did. You can't start stripping away rights from people that were acquitted.

Yeah. About that. You wouldn't have been arrested if you weren't guilty. That's why arrest records show on background checks. And anything like acquittal shows up waaaaayyyyy in the back.


I think you just found a way to solve the debt crisis. For all these years, we've been wasting tax dollars on judges, courts, and entitlements for jurors. It's going to be smooooove sailing now!
 
2012-07-31 07:47:43 PM  
The people in this thread that believe a "no trespassing" sign on your lawn makes any difference to the legal situation are the same people that believe an undercover cop has to tell you the truth if you ask him.
 
2012-07-31 07:54:46 PM  

rockmeamadeus: The NRA attempts to block all legislation which would stop mentally unstable people from getting guns...


That's a flat out lie.

The NRA helped create the current prohibited persons list, which includes prohibitions against persons who have been committed for mental health reasons, and has previously backed legislation designed to force states to report people committed for mental health reasons to the NCIC.

Any other lies?
 
2012-07-31 07:58:49 PM  

hinten: The people in this thread that believe a "no trespassing" sign on your lawn makes any difference to the legal situation are the same people that believe an undercover cop has to tell you the truth if you ask him.


But some want to put the Ten Commandments in courthouses. Lieing is a sin. Christian nation.
 
2012-07-31 08:12:40 PM  

brianbankerus: Why the hell do we have guns???

I own two guns, but I never EVER carry them. Even when I've found myself in sticky situations, I've never wished I had a gun. Why? So someone, possibly me, could have ended up dead?

If someone pulls a gun on me, I won't try to shoot first, I'll just give them what they want. My life is worth way more than that.


See, thats the problem. You are failing to take into consideration just how little your life is worth to the criminal. Some of them will kill you just because you were a witness to their crime.
 
2012-07-31 08:40:50 PM  

Alonjar:

The real problem is that most of the population is in complete and utter denial that there are bad people out there who are fully willing to kill/hurt you for little to no reason. Hell, just the other day a local store got robbed, and the cashier was shot dead for no reason. The guy got the money, and shot them on the way out.
.


Have you considered moving? Your neighborhood sounds like a shiathole.

Fact is, now you have the gun and I do not. The question of whether _I_ should be afraid of _you_ is nontrivial. See, if you have a gun, and I do not, but you think I do, the situation just got extremely dangerous - for me.

So what are my options here? Should I be defending myself from the possibility that you might think I'm armed and will do me harm? How thin are the eggshells upon which I have to walk to avoid appearing threatening? Might I say or do something which, to me, is entirely nonthreatening that you interpret as a threat?

So should I go out and buy a gun to protect myself from you? Do I have to live my life seeing the world the same way that you do - that the world is full of hair-triggers and the only effective response is to own a hair-trigger of my own? I don't really want to live my life in a fortress.

From your post, I can tell that you seem to have your head on straight, at least. But, given an intense situation, I don't know that. Almost everyone I know has managed to make it to their forties without being shot at, except for the handful that are in law enforcement or have been in the service. I'm not fool enough to leave my car or apartment unlocked, I stay out of dark alleys, and I rarely go anywhere alone after dark, so I'm not a complete idiot, but with the precautions I've taken - plus ownership of a single firearm - I consider my defenses adequate. If the alternative is to turn my life into a fortress...I'd rather not.
 
2012-07-31 08:45:17 PM  
It's even more astonishing that he threatened to kill a meter reader and a jury acquitted him! Is everyone in Florida an inbred moron? I guess the census taker was lucky this nutcase was at the Glenn Beck rally when he rang nut-boy's doorbell.
 
2012-07-31 08:50:04 PM  
Although I'm not a fan of door-to-door salesman, I wouldn't shoot one.

/religious zealots selling Jesus...
 
2012-07-31 10:22:53 PM  
Stand your ground? He didn't stalk him through the neighborhood. He didn't ignore 911 telling him to back off.

He's got a better case than Trayvon's murderer.

/and you wonder why other states don't get their own tag.
 
2012-07-31 11:16:12 PM  
A couple of my friends were jogging through a neighborhood and came upon a wheelbarrow and landscaping supplies blocking the sidewalk. They there was no van or truck parked there so it most likely belonged to the homeowner. Their choices were to run into the busy street or a few feet onto the lawn. They chose B and the homeowner decided the most logical course of action was to release his dogs on them. There are a lot of crazy people out there who are too paranoid and worried about their property to be part of society.
 
2012-08-01 12:33:45 AM  

MadMattressMack: To me some of this is the DA's fault for not being able to prosecute and get this guy rehabilitated when he pulled a gun on a meter reader. That's a red flag of this guy's mental stability and they could've done something about it then.


Jury nullification sucks when it sets the wackos free, huh?
 
2012-08-01 02:04:23 AM  
So the crazy guy with the guns gets locked up, and we have one less door to door salesman to deal with?

Looks like a win/win situation to me.


Fissile: It's even more astonishing that he threatened to kill a meter reader and a jury acquitted him! Is everyone in Florida an inbred moron?


I love how so many people in this thread assume that since he was charged, he was obviously guilty and that by reading a brief blurb about it in a news article, they know more about the case than the jury who heard all the facts and returned a "not guilty" verdict.
 
2012-08-01 02:29:08 AM  

DoctorRock:
Are you retarded?


Did someone type that for you? Or do your parents know you're using their computer without their permission?
Tell them to stop wasting their time and put you to bed.
You sound tired.
 
2012-08-01 10:26:30 AM  
So.

A few of you f*ckwits are pro-murder now.

Nice to know.
 
2012-08-01 11:18:12 AM  

Kittypie070: So.

A few of you f*ckwits are pro-murder now.

Nice to know.


Hey, nobody is talking about abortion here.
 
2012-08-01 12:14:35 PM  

louiedog: A couple of my friends were jogging through a neighborhood and came upon a wheelbarrow and landscaping supplies blocking the sidewalk. They there was no van or truck parked there so it most likely belonged to the homeowner. Their choices were to run into the busy street or a few feet onto the lawn. They chose B and the homeowner decided the most logical course of action was to release his dogs on them. There are a lot of crazy people out there who are too paranoid and worried about their property to be part of society.


and??? what happened?
 
2012-08-01 12:56:22 PM  

JuggleGeek: I love how so many people in this thread assume that since he was charged, he was obviously guilty and that by reading a brief blurb about it in a news article, they know more about the case than the jury who heard all the facts and returned a "not guilty" verdict.


This guy gunned down a lobster salesman and then as he lay bleeding, stood over him and shot him in the back of the head because he complained about being shot in a hostile way. It's not a big reach to assume he really was guilty of pointing a gun at a meter maid.

Sure - innocent until proven guilty, but i think horses before i think zebras when i hear hoofbeats...

Maybe he didn't do it, but if we were putting money on it guess where my bet's going?
 
2012-08-01 06:52:36 PM  

JuggleGeek: So the crazy guy with the guns gets locked up, and we have one less door to door salesman to deal with?

Looks like a win/win situation to me.


Fissile: It's even more astonishing that he threatened to kill a meter reader and a jury acquitted him! Is everyone in Florida an inbred moron?

I love how so many people in this thread assume that since he was charged, he was obviously guilty and that by reading a brief blurb about it in a news article, they know more about the case than the jury who heard all the facts and returned a "not guilty" verdict.


============

You are quite clearly deranged. You think it's OK to murder a guy for trying to earn a living because it annoys you. You believe you have a God given right to kill anyone on your property because they are on your property. I honestly hope the cops or FBI or some other law enforcement agents are reading this and pay you a visit.
 
2012-08-02 01:05:37 AM  

Fissile: You think it's OK to murder a guy for trying to earn a living because it annoys you.


No, I don't think that at all. That's just BS you made up. Much like your assumption that he was clearly guilty of assaulting the meter maid, despite the jury who thought otherwise.
 
2012-08-02 01:09:46 AM  

DoctorRock:
who do you think is committing the most gun violence in this country? ill give you a hint :its not the gun hoarding racist white teabagger boogyman from your previous post.


The "gun hoarding racist white teabagger boogeyman" from my previous post is the one most likely to SHOOT SOMEONE IN THE BACK OF THEIR F*CKING HEAD in the middle of the street "for effect" because they rang his f*cking doorbell due to his overwhelming paranoia, gun fetishism and insanity... which was the point of my post that went right over the point on your head.

In my time on earth I have never been afraid of some wanna-be "gangsta", and I've grown up in and lived in neighborhoods that would make Johnny and Janie Suburb sh*t their underoos even to drive through. It's motherf*ckers like the one in this story I'd be concerned with and afraid of.

One more time - It's almost always the crazy white guy that does sh*t like this.
 
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