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2012-07-31 09:54:38 AM
Thanks Submitter. I've been wondering when this insane story would show up on Fark. Tried twice myself.

Death penalty is what I suggest for punishment. But they may argue he's just nutty about his Second Amendment rights.
 
2012-07-31 10:05:28 AM
This is the kind of thing I would like to hear about from the NRA.

Its only through good fortune that one of the little kids on his block didn't get gunned down for "trespassing" by riding their bikes on the street. He was tried once for threatening a meter reader with a gun, but got acquitted.

The local cops, the prosecutor who tried him, everyone on the block knows it is only a matter of time before some poor soul who doesn't know better is going to step on his property and pay for it with his life.

Yet, he owns 14 guns, and could buy as many more as he wants, perfectly legally. Hell, according to Scalia, it may abridge his 2nd amendment rights to prohibit him from owning a rocket launcher.

What do, NRA goons?
 
2012-07-31 10:07:01 AM
As Rainey drew within 4 feet, Roop grabbed his 9mm Glock from his pocket and fired once, striking Rainey in the shoulder, he told police. Rainey fell to the ground, screaming, 'You shot me,' in what Roop described as an "antagonistic" manner, according to the report.

I have honest-to-god never heard a person say "YOU SHOT ME!" in anything other than an antagonistic/hostile manner.

This guy needs to be put down. It was only a matter of time before he shot someone. I bet his life's dream has been to shoot someone, then along comes Mr. door-to-door steak-n-lobster salesman, and it's his dream come true.
 
2012-07-31 10:07:04 AM
I suppose this poor guy who has to make a living selling door to door to nutjobs just paid the price of our freedom with his life? Is that it?
 
2012-07-31 10:20:12 AM
More and more of these nutjobs everyday and they always seem to be from Florida.
 
2012-07-31 10:23:34 AM
If you pull a gun on a meter reader you should have your power shut off and your guns taken away.


He was "terrified"? Grow some farking balls.
 
2012-07-31 10:25:31 AM

scottydoesntknow: I have honest-to-god never heard a person say "YOU SHOT ME!" in anything other than an antagonistic/hostile manner.


How many people have you heard saying this?
 
2012-07-31 10:33:36 AM
Yeah, but, come ON! Who *hasn't* wanted to shoot a door-to-door salesman at least once in their lives?
 
2012-07-31 10:35:07 AM

RexTalionis: More and more of these nutjobs everyday and they always seem to be from Florida.


It's the heat. It addles their brains.
 
2012-07-31 10:36:23 AM

wxboy: scottydoesntknow: I have honest-to-god never heard a person say "YOU SHOT ME!" in anything other than an antagonistic/hostile manner.

How many people have you heard saying this?


I've watched quite a few movies

www.wearysloth.com

Mustafa: You shot me!
Mustafa: You shot me right in the arm!
 
2012-07-31 10:41:15 AM

gilgigamesh: Yet, he owns 14 guns, and could buy as many more as he wants, perfectly legally. Hell, according to Scalia, it may abridge his 2nd amendment rights to prohibit him from owning a rocket launcher.


I'm curious as to why you think it could possibly matter how many he owns. He only needed to use one.

I think the more serious issue is that a man that was known to be mentally disturbed - and obviously so - had no problem getting guns.
 
2012-07-31 10:43:32 AM

gilgigamesh: What do, NRA goons?


Well...

gilgigamesh: He was tried once for threatening a meter reader with a gun, but got acquitted.


Fix that. He should have been convicted of a crime for what he did. You can't start stripping away rights from people that were acquitted.
 
2012-07-31 10:45:21 AM

MacEnvy: gilgigamesh: Yet, he owns 14 guns, and could buy as many more as he wants, perfectly legally. Hell, according to Scalia, it may abridge his 2nd amendment rights to prohibit him from owning a rocket launcher.

I'm curious as to why you think it could possibly matter how many he owns. He only needed to use one.

I think the more serious issue is that a man that was known to be mentally disturbed - and obviously so - had no problem getting guns.


Why was he allowed to have them after pulling one on a meter reader? Isn't that what those checks on people are for? He obviously was a bit unhinged.
Salesman should have noticed no trespassing signs but didn't deserve to die; water hose maybe.
 
2012-07-31 10:51:41 AM
rot in prison, scumbag.
 
2012-07-31 10:58:52 AM
Roop told detectives Rainey should have respected his three "No Trespassing" signs

There's a new neighbor on my street who has posted "PRIVATE PROPERTY" signs in his front yard. I don't get it.
 
2012-07-31 11:00:25 AM
It's good to know that the Stand Your Ground law is only being applied in completely reasonable circumstances, and is in no way encouraging people to shoot other people because they feel like they are backed by the law.
 
2012-07-31 11:00:52 AM
Waiting for the gun boosters to show up. This oughta be good.

/popcorn
 
2012-07-31 11:01:40 AM

Rapmaster2000: Roop told detectives Rainey should have respected his three "No Trespassing" signs

There's a new neighbor on my street who has posted "PRIVATE PROPERTY" signs in his front yard. I don't get it.


Do you live in Florida? Best respect the hell out of those signs, son.
 
2012-07-31 11:03:08 AM

Moosecakes: It's good to know that the Stand Your Ground law is only being applied in completely reasonable circumstances, and is in no way encouraging people to shoot other people because they feel like they are backed by the law.


You don't think a "Shoot First" mentality is beneficial for society at large?
 
2012-07-31 11:03:32 AM
B-b-but Obama is gonna take all your guns !!!!1!!
 
2012-07-31 11:03:49 AM

darwinpolice: Rapmaster2000: Roop told detectives Rainey should have respected his three "No Trespassing" signs

There's a new neighbor on my street who has posted "PRIVATE PROPERTY" signs in his front yard. I don't get it.

Do you live in Florida? Best respect the hell out of those signs, son.


Doesn't matter. A homeowner with a "No Trespassing" sign is not automatically promoted to judge, jury, and executioner.
 
2012-07-31 11:04:04 AM
And here is the other side of the argument for gun ownership.

For what it's worth, though... This guy must really be nutty. Anyone that big and burly shouldn't need to carry protection.
 
2012-07-31 11:04:23 AM
Why is it that these shooters believe that other people's lives are meaningless but their's are sacred?
I have no problem if the nutjobs pop themselves, as long as no one else is endangered.
 
2012-07-31 11:04:33 AM
This is a messed up story, but I am sure that there will be pleanty of people to spin this into a reasonable incident, if not make the shooter out to be a hero. I assume the salesman was black, that is why the guy felt unsafe...
 
2012-07-31 11:04:47 AM
If only the victim had been carrying a loaded assault rifle, this would never have happened.
 
2012-07-31 11:05:16 AM
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2012-07-31 11:05:31 AM
Wow.

How pathetic of a life do you have to lead to be so in fear that you shoot someone for simply walking towards you??

Good god, what is wrong with people today?
 
2012-07-31 11:05:37 AM
telling police he was "in fear."

So that's it then, case closed. This is an innocent responsible legal gun owner that was standing his ground.
 
2012-07-31 11:05:39 AM

James!: If you pull a gun on a meter reader you should have your power shut off and your guns taken away.


He was "terrified"? Grow some farking balls.


I have seen meter readers, with a "uniform" of a blue tshirt with a small company logo, jump my back fence and just wander around the yard. No notification of them being there, just jump the fence and walk around. Not saying what he did was correct, but I can understand why a homeowner might investigate if they saw that.
 
2012-07-31 11:06:41 AM
Typical paranoid gun nut.
 
2012-07-31 11:06:57 AM

gilgigamesh: This is the kind of thing I would like to hear about from the NRA.

Its only through good fortune that one of the little kids on his block didn't get gunned down for "trespassing" by riding their bikes on the street. He was tried once for threatening a meter reader with a gun, but got acquitted.

The local cops, the prosecutor who tried him, everyone on the block knows it is only a matter of time before some poor soul who doesn't know better is going to step on his property and pay for it with his life.

Yet, he owns 14 guns, and could buy as many more as he wants, perfectly legally. Hell, according to Scalia, it may abridge his 2nd amendment rights to prohibit him from owning a rocket launcher.

What do, NRA goons?


Not an NRA goon, but I'd reply.... he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. If he illegally owned these guns, would you yell that gun control obviously doesn't work? No, you wouldn't.

And I don't think he should have guns, but making them illegal likely would not have stopped this person. Declaring them illegal won't eliminate them. It's like saying if we ban drugs people will stop using them....
 
2012-07-31 11:07:26 AM

darwinpolice: Rapmaster2000: Roop told detectives Rainey should have respected his three "No Trespassing" signs

There's a new neighbor on my street who has posted "PRIVATE PROPERTY" signs in his front yard. I don't get it.

Do you live in Florida? Best respect the hell out of those signs, son.


IANAL, but it's my understanding that without a physical gate on the driveway itself, NO TRESSPASSING signs are not meant to include the driveway or any walkway to the front door. Precedent may be different in Florida, but there is a reasonable expectation that one can walk to a stranger's front door and not be assumed to be tresspassing.
 
2012-07-31 11:07:29 AM
Too bad dude wasn't a better shot. Door spammers are scumbags and bad things should happen to them.

What gives them the right to disturb me to try to sell me useless shiat? fark then.

There needs to be a national do-not door-spam list, with a private right of action against anyone who tries to market to you from your doorstep.
 
2012-07-31 11:07:40 AM

silverjets: Wow.

How pathetic of a life do you have to lead to be so in fear that you shoot someone for simply walking towards you??

Good god, what is wrong with people today?


They're told they are heroes protecting America for feeling this way.
 
2012-07-31 11:07:46 AM
I'm fairly certain this guy is well known on a fishing forum I frequent from time to time. Most of it is fine, but a certain corner of it is like Stormfront on bath salts. If this guy is who I think he is, shooting a trespasser dead has been his much talked about fantasy for a long time.

Sad thing is, there are thousands more like this asshole.
 
2012-07-31 11:07:52 AM
I'll bet this guy's got a fine frisbee collection on his roof.
 
2012-07-31 11:08:00 AM
Hey, anybody know how Florida does process service? Do firms and individuals contract out for it, or does it all get farmed out to sheriff's departments?
 
2012-07-31 11:08:49 AM
Perillo said the children, between the ages of 4 and 8, would ride their bikes up and down the street.

"He kept saying if they step foot on my property, they're trespassing," she said.

Each time, officers came and talked to the man and told him the kids were allowed to play in the street, she said.



Not entirely sure why he remained free the first couple times, after telling police he would shoot children.

At least bail was denied.

Wouldn't that be fun for the judge to tell him 'Just think about your home, unguarded. Maybe there are police, or thieves, going through your things. Walking all over your yard. Maybe they left all the doors wide open. Right now. Who knows what's going on there now?'
 
2012-07-31 11:09:01 AM

muldoon: James!: If you pull a gun on a meter reader you should have your power shut off and your guns taken away.


He was "terrified"? Grow some farking balls.

I have seen meter readers, with a "uniform" of a blue tshirt with a small company logo, jump my back fence and just wander around the yard. No notification of them being there, just jump the fence and walk around. Not saying what he did was correct, but I can understand why a homeowner might investigate if they saw that.


Yes. Investigate. Not "shoot on sight".
 
2012-07-31 11:09:15 AM

AbbeySomeone: Why was he allowed to have them after pulling one on a meter reader? Isn't that what those checks on people are for? He obviously was a bit unhinged.
Salesman should have noticed no trespassing signs but didn't deserve to die; water hose maybe.


A jury found him not guilty of committing any crime in the meter reader incident, and thus it could not be used to deny him a firearm.

The guy deserves the death penalty, end of story.

With that said, I imagine the Blue Ribbon Steak and Seafood company will be encouraging their employees to heed no trespassing signs in the future.

/Wonder if the victim looked shady or if the shooter was just plain batshiat crazy
 
2012-07-31 11:09:32 AM
"Roop said he was still in fear and thought Rainey was reaching for something, so he shot Rainey once more in the back of the head, "for effect," the report said."

That is chilling. Can you imagine shooting someone in the back of the head "for effect"?
 
2012-07-31 11:09:42 AM
I dont know....

Those Kirby Vacuum salesmen are the most annoying assholes on earth. This may be justified.
 
2012-07-31 11:09:44 AM

gilgigamesh: Yet, he owns 14 guns, and could buy as many more as he wants, perfectly legally. Hell, according to Scalia, it may abridge his 2nd amendment rights to prohibit him from owning a rocket launcher.

What do, NRA goons?


"The liberal sites done told me something and I will believe it no matter what!"

Scalia said no such thing. In fact, he said precisely the opposite and stated that the government could place some limits and regulations on guns.

And why do people run around screaming "Well what now NRA!?"

I'm not even a member but I'm not so stupid and uninformed that I can't figure it out.

They will absolutely support prosecuting this guy. if the facts of the case are as indicated in the article.

By the way do you know how Stand Your Ground laws get passed?

Because people who were legitimately protecting themselves or others from criminals were being prosecuted by abusive police officers and other people in the justice system with an agenda.
 
2012-07-31 11:09:54 AM

muldoon: James!: If you pull a gun on a meter reader you should have your power shut off and your guns taken away.


He was "terrified"? Grow some farking balls.

I have seen meter readers, with a "uniform" of a blue tshirt with a small company logo, jump my back fence and just wander around the yard. No notification of them being there, just jump the fence and walk around. Not saying what he did was correct, but I can understand why a homeowner might investigate if they saw that.


Another reason why it's a good idea to go to wireless meters.

Of course, I imagine the people who are paranoid of meter readers are likely the ones who accuse wireless meters of being a UN plot to monitor our power consumption for the purposes of socialism and global domination.
 
2012-07-31 11:09:56 AM
The right to keep and bear arms implies a limit of two.
 
2012-07-31 11:10:25 AM
He's gonna be in fear for the safety of his anus after this.

/the mentally disturbed should not be allowed access to guns
//gun ownership should be a privilege, not a right
 
2012-07-31 11:10:45 AM
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2012-07-31 11:11:29 AM
A door to door lobster salesman once sent his army of trained attack lobsters after my family. This is a perfectly reasonable response.
 
2012-07-31 11:11:49 AM

qorkfiend: muldoon: James!: If you pull a gun on a meter reader you should have your power shut off and your guns taken away.


He was "terrified"? Grow some farking balls.

I have seen meter readers, with a "uniform" of a blue tshirt with a small company logo, jump my back fence and just wander around the yard. No notification of them being there, just jump the fence and walk around. Not saying what he did was correct, but I can understand why a homeowner might investigate if they saw that.

Yes. Investigate. Not "shoot on sight".


The meter reader thing was years ago and he was acquitted by a jury for it. Now it is being used to indicate he was a time bomb.

No, shoot on site is never the correct answer, I am not defending his use of force on the salesman, I am saying a previous event that he was acquitted for shouldn't be used as evidence that he was a quack. Use the current event to make him a quack.
 
2012-07-31 11:11:57 AM
So gun-grabbers, explain to me how this situation couldn't have been avoided by the salesman also carrying? Dude was a fool for not packing heat. You never know when some lunatic's gonna stand his ground in the most lethal manner possible.

An armed society is a polite society.
 
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