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(Uproxx)   Five reasons why the next generation of game consoles will likely fail. This is not a repeat from 1984, 1989, 1994, 2000 or 2006   (uproxx.com) divider line 197
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2012-07-31 03:22:14 PM  
You bring up a good point about the lack of needing so many people to create mobile games, however my counterpoint is:

You still need good writers. Jesus christ, some of these newer mobile games are really impressive until you start reading the plot, or dialogue, or hearing it. It's terrible. Names are terrible, grammar and spelling errors, etc. This is a result of what you said.

I'm looking at you Dead Trigger.

TwistedFark: Consoles are a dying breed.

Tablets and mobile devices like the iPad are going to cannibalize the gaming market for the upcoming decade. Hell if you just take a moment to look aound, this isn't something that's comming, it's already here. Say hello to your $1.99 "app" gaming overlords.

People have to remember that gaming these days is a numbers/margin driven exercise. The reason why consoles are so prolific is because of their low price point - and its created a huge market for games. Now with smart phones and tablet devices being ubquitous in modern life, the potential market of for games has just grown exponentially.

Companies like Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft will hold onto their consoles, but we'll see less games with 100 million dollar production budgets for these devices since the cost/benefit of sinking that much lucre into a title won't be able to compete with the profit margin on mobile gaming apps.

As for PC gaming... we're in a bit of a renassance right now and I think it'll only get better. We're getting to the point that the tools used to create games have gotten so advanced that you don't need 100 people to put together a competitive title anymore. Pretty soon it'll come full circle again and some future hundred million dollar game will be developed by some guy in his moms basement - just like the first one was.

 
2012-07-31 03:23:41 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Russky: Still significantly better than Angry Birds. You've read to many articles that have mistaken ROI for total profit and not been able to separate the two.

No one is arguing that Angry Birds has a great ROI, probably one of the best ever, but that isn't the same as total revenue/profit.

No, it's not. ROI is more important.

I give you the chance to buy 10 bonds, each worth $1, that will return $2 in 30 days. Or, you can buy a bond worth $10, that will return $15 in 30 days. Obviously, the revenue you'll get in 30 days is greater with the $10. Even the profit margin is greater with the $10. But which would you buy?


Your illustrative comparison doesn't really illustrate anything. Here's a more reasonable comparison:

You've saved up $1,000,000 for retirement.

I give you the chance to buy 200 bonds, each costing $1. There's about a 1% chance that one of these bonds will return $1,000.

Or, you can invest $1,000,000 in bonds which return an average 4% rate of return.
 
2012-07-31 03:24:45 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Doublespeak: HeartBurnKid: Russky: Still significantly better than Angry Birds. You've read to many articles that have mistaken ROI for total profit and not been able to separate the two.

No one is arguing that Angry Birds has a great ROI, probably one of the best ever, but that isn't the same as total revenue/profit.

No, it's not. ROI is more important.

I give you the chance to buy 10 bonds, each worth $1, that will return $2 in 30 days. Or, you can buy a bond worth $10, that will return $15 in 30 days. Obviously, the revenue you'll get in 30 days is greater with the $10. Even the profit margin is greater with the $10. But which would you buy?

If i said here you can have $40 million in profit from Angry Birds or 1 Billion from Call of Duty which would you take?

If I can make 100 games like Angry Birds for the price of 1 Call of Duty, I'll take the Angry Birds.


That's the entire argument: you can't make 100 games like Angry Birds because there's been exactly one like it ever.
 
2012-07-31 03:35:09 PM  

meanmutton: That's the entire argument: you can't make 100 games like Angry Birds because there's been exactly one like it ever.


Crush the Castle?

/alternatively, Angry Birds Rio?
 
2012-07-31 03:43:15 PM  

stuhayes2010: PS2 games were $50
PS3 games are $60
I will not shell out $70 for PS4 games. Plus, the PS3 (and I imagine XBOX 360) has had a real lackluster game library. It has not justified its $400 initial investment.


You do realize PS3's play Blu Rays, right?

Well worth the money.
 
2012-07-31 03:55:54 PM  
I think consoles aren't going to go anywhere both figurative and literally.

It took Sony and Microsoft until very recently to start making money on this generation of machines; that's including the cost per title/update they take from publishers. This generation is now 7 years old. So people expecting the XB720 or PS4 to deliver something akin to a modern, high end, gaming PC in terms of graphics are probably in for a shock. Both companies are well aware that Nintendo released something with around the PS2's capabilities, sold it with a profit per machine and pretty much raked it in; their new machine seems equal to a 360 and will again be sold at a profit.

I foresee the XB720 delivering pretty much the same graphics quality as the 360, just at native 1080P. The cost to go again with fresh silicon for everything as was done previously... just isn't something either company want on the balance books any more. It's not like the studios really want super duper improvements either, costs are so high in making a AAA title that a single one not selling well can end a studio. And really, do gamers want the 720/PS4 around for 15 - 20 years simply because that's how long it'll take Sony/MS to make the development costs back?

But as to the consoles themselves, no... they aren't going anywhere any time soon and their demise has been shouted about since the Atari 2600.
 
2012-07-31 04:02:47 PM  

meanmutton: HeartBurnKid: Doublespeak: HeartBurnKid: Russky: Still significantly better than Angry Birds. You've read to many articles that have mistaken ROI for total profit and not been able to separate the two.

No one is arguing that Angry Birds has a great ROI, probably one of the best ever, but that isn't the same as total revenue/profit.

No, it's not. ROI is more important.

I give you the chance to buy 10 bonds, each worth $1, that will return $2 in 30 days. Or, you can buy a bond worth $10, that will return $15 in 30 days. Obviously, the revenue you'll get in 30 days is greater with the $10. Even the profit margin is greater with the $10. But which would you buy?

If i said here you can have $40 million in profit from Angry Birds or 1 Billion from Call of Duty which would you take?

If I can make 100 games like Angry Birds for the price of 1 Call of Duty, I'll take the Angry Birds.

That's the entire argument: you can't make 100 games like Angry Birds because there's been exactly one like it ever.


Nor can you guarantee that your 1 game will be like Call of Duty. But having 100 games amortizes that risk a bit.
 
2012-07-31 04:05:19 PM  

frepnog: TwistedFark: HeartBurnKid: Russky: Still significantly better than Angry Birds. You've read to many articles that have mistaken ROI for total profit and not been able to separate the two.

No one is arguing that Angry Birds has a great ROI, probably one of the best ever, but that isn't the same as total revenue/profit.

No, it's not. ROI is more important.

I give you the chance to buy 10 bonds, each worth $1, that will return $2 in 30 days. Or, you can buy a bond worth $10, that will return $15 in 30 days. Obviously, the revenue you'll get in 30 days is greater with the $10. Even the profit margin is greater with the $10. But which would you buy?

Don't forget about market cap too.

COD can sell 25 million units and make X number of dollars.

But that's all it can ever sell. The market cap on it is the number of people that own compatable devices. The market cap on people who own smart phones or touch pads is somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 times larger than that?

Console ownership has reached saturation. At this point, everyone who is going to own a console owns one already. Publishers are going to be fighting for the same scraps from the table, so they won't be able to just spend more money on a single product for a big pay day, they'll have to diversify - then they'll run into their next problem, all they've been able to sell for the last decade is one rythm game and a bunch of FPS's with cover mechanics. Whooo boy. Good luck growing that.

this is not only not true, but since there are next gen consoles on the horizon, simply foolish to state out loud.


And how many people who buy those next gen consoles are going to be first-time console buyers, as opposed to upgraders?
 
2012-07-31 04:14:19 PM  
I think the gaming industry is doing pretty well these days. The $60 price tag can come down when a game isnt doing as well, and for the most part those companies are still round, and doing pretty damn well for themselves.

What will kill it is fans who play the violin for the game companies over why we can;t expect more in a next generation. What will kill it is charging too much for each game when a lot of people are having trouble as it is making ends meet. Sell at an affordable price and sell more, is better than being a greedy son of a biatch. We don't need fan/cosumer's shooting themselves (and us too) in the foot. Dont worry about Activisons bottom line...how about worrying about yours first.
 
2012-07-31 04:15:17 PM  
kab

"Consoles are expensive single use devices with a built-in time to be junked. The future consumer is just not going to accept that"

I'm assuming that quote is FTA? Pretty stupid line for the author to throw in, when the average life of a cell phone is ~1 year.
 
2012-07-31 04:20:05 PM  
I wouldn't look to PC gaming to save everything. As much as I buy titles off steam I've pirated more. My last 3 computers have paid for themselves if you count the cost of software I've gotten for free. I buy quite a bit now as well since I started making more money, but anything over 30 dollars is still going to get pirated.
 
2012-07-31 04:25:11 PM  
With the ability to plug in a PS3 controller into the Nexus 7, I'd like to see what kinda games can be designed for it. No worthless touch screen controls.
 
2012-07-31 04:58:23 PM  
Because PC gaming is far superior to nooby console noobs.

insertsnarkyusername:

Fark you, you're the reason we have to deal with draconian DRM.
 
2012-07-31 05:02:24 PM  

Rockstone: insertsnarkyusername:

Fark you, you're the reason we have to deal with draconian DRM.


The funny thing is that his mere existence is proof positive that draconian DRM is useless.
 
2012-07-31 05:03:15 PM  
I am someone who will soon be amongst the ranks of the Glorious PC master gaming race.

4.bp.blogspot.com

I've got a PS3 that I love but the graphics are nowhere near what the PC versions are, not to mention the sweet, sweet mods.

I have been trying to find decent games for the PS3 for a while now. I buy the new OMGLOOKATME titles and am just not that impressed with the games available. I have basically been replaying RDR, GTA V, Just Cause 2, FO3, and FONV for almost four years now.

And yes, I have already ordered GTA V, FO3, and FONV for my new gaming PC.

The lack of RDR for PC makes me a little stabby.
 
2012-07-31 05:24:05 PM  

Ed Finnerty: I am someone who will soon be amongst the ranks of the Glorious PC master gaming race.

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I've got a PS3 that I love but the graphics are nowhere near what the PC versions are, not to mention the sweet, sweet mods.

I have been trying to find decent games for the PS3 for a while now. I buy the new OMGLOOKATME titles and am just not that impressed with the games available. I have basically been replaying RDR, GTA V, Just Cause 2, FO3, and FONV for almost four years now.

And yes, I have already ordered GTA V, FO3, and FONV for my new gaming PC.

The lack of RDR for PC makes me a little stabby.


I think it comes down to having both if you want the best gaming experience. I'll take Total War and Civ 5 on the PC, but if I only had a PC I would have missed RDR which is one of my favorite games.
 
2012-07-31 06:10:24 PM  
static.fimfiction.net


Ten thousand years old. Improves hand-eye coordination and motor skills like crazy. Doesn't require electricity.

And the best part? No goddamned DRM to install.


/my lawn is immaculate. Either get off it or help me mow.
 
2012-07-31 06:39:46 PM  
This is why I'm becoming a retro-gamer. I still like the single-player experience and I'm not interested in the always-on internet DRM, or any DRM for that matter past the install.

Over the past 4 years, the system I've bought the most games for is the Game Boy Advance. It's the reason I got a DSlite, so I could play those games. I grew up on the SNES, so it's a nice throwback to those days. It was an underrated system and I'm having a lot of fun. The DS is pretty good, too, and Super Scribblenauts is a must-have.

I do have a Wii and PS2, and I still play both and will continue to play them until I run out of games, and thanks to Amazon that won't happen for a while.

If I want PC games, I'll simply pop over to gog.com and either pick up and old classic I missed out on or even something newer. I'm a huge fan of the Humble Bundle and still haven't played through everything I got with the latest one. And the great thing is that every game I want to play will work on my reasonably-priced laptop from Wal-Mart. Even if I can't crank it up to 11, it gets the job done. One day I might upgrade the RAM, but that's probably all I'll need to do.

So I might be missing out on the newest games, but I'll just console myself with my stacks of great retro and indie games.
 
2012-07-31 06:55:14 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Rockstone: insertsnarkyusername:

Fark you, you're the reason we have to deal with draconian DRM.

The funny thing is that his mere existence is proof positive that draconian DRM is useless.


Actually, the titles that have really severe DRM I tend to pirate out of sheer principle. On the other hand, I also drop a lot of money at GOG which is DRM free. Here's the thing, when I buy a game I'm not actually paying for a game. I'm paying for a good download speed, a bug free copy, support and online storage of the titles I'm not currently playing. I can already find whatever I want for free, I'm paying for the stuff I don't get through pirating.
 
2012-07-31 09:05:47 PM  
I still don't understand why consoles have yet to FULLY adopt the use of a mouse + keyboard as a peripheral option for ALL games.
 
2012-07-31 09:08:51 PM  
Most console gamers don't care if they can use keyboard/mouse.

Hence why they don't add support.
 
2012-07-31 11:27:20 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: I still don't understand why consoles have yet to FULLY adopt the use of a mouse + keyboard as a peripheral option for ALL games.


The same reason I have a USB gamepad for my computer.
 
2012-07-31 11:34:54 PM  

soporific: the money is in the banana stand: I still don't understand why consoles have yet to FULLY adopt the use of a mouse + keyboard as a peripheral option for ALL games.

The same reason I have a USB gamepad for my computer.


I'm curious, what games do you use it for? I've played many different consoles and it may be that I grew up as a pc gamer but nothing seems as intuitive or flexible as a key board and a mouse to me.
 
2012-08-01 12:34:02 AM  

insertsnarkyusername: soporific: the money is in the banana stand: I still don't understand why consoles have yet to FULLY adopt the use of a mouse + keyboard as a peripheral option for ALL games.

The same reason I have a USB gamepad for my computer.

I'm curious, what games do you use it for? I've played many different consoles and it may be that I grew up as a pc gamer but nothing seems as intuitive or flexible as a key board and a mouse to me.


GTA, for example. In general, joypads are better for third person games. But nothing comes close to mouse+KB for first person ones.
 
2012-08-01 12:53:32 AM  

rocky_howard: insertsnarkyusername: soporific: the money is in the banana stand: I still don't understand why consoles have yet to FULLY adopt the use of a mouse + keyboard as a peripheral option for ALL games.

The same reason I have a USB gamepad for my computer.

I'm curious, what games do you use it for? I've played many different consoles and it may be that I grew up as a pc gamer but nothing seems as intuitive or flexible as a key board and a mouse to me.

GTA, for example. In general, joypads are better for third person games. But nothing comes close to mouse+KB for first person ones.


I've been looking for a controller so I can emulate ps2 and N64 games. The keyboard just doesn't work for them and mouse support is spotty at best. What do you use?
 
2012-08-01 02:02:10 AM  

Lanadapter: Most console gamers don't care if they can use keyboard/mouse.

Hence why they don't add support.


The Xbox was built off windows and has a USB port. They deliberately REMOVED keyboard and mouse support - because those playing with a keyboard and mouse utterly destroy those playing with a shatty arse gamepad. They want there players to be on a level playing field

They spent money REMOVING support for a peripheral.
 
2012-08-01 05:42:06 AM  
Consoles are expensive single use devices with a built-in time to be junked.

A PS3 won't just play games, it'll also let you play browse the web, play LoveFilm, BBC iPlayer, play Blu-Rays, YouTube and so forth. You pay £190, plug it in and it works. It's cheap, simple and does the computing that many people want in their living room.

I think the next challenge for consoles is that they just won't offer enough to enough people out there to upgrade.
 
2012-08-01 07:18:27 AM  

Khellendros: "The Blair Witch Project" wasn't the model for movies going forward, but it did open a new sub-market that does well on its own. It's not going to get rid of future "Avatar" and "The Dark Knight" level productions.


But `the blair witch project` was crap and you only found that out AFTER you paid your money and were looking at the screen, by which time it was too late, they came. This is the problem stated. There will still be all the good titles coming out but they will be drowned in a sea of crap...
 
2012-08-01 11:09:32 AM  

dready zim: There will still be all the good titles coming out but they will be drowned in a sea of crap...


Yeah, if your only way to find out what's available is checking the top 25 of a proprietary app store. For the rest of the intelligent world, they can read consumer reviews, watch youtube videos, visit the Steam store, talk to knowledgeable friends, check Amazon reviews, visit other aggregate consumer review sites, and so on.
 
2012-08-01 11:50:56 AM  

insertsnarkyusername: I've been looking for a controller so I can emulate ps2 and N64 games. The keyboard just doesn't work for them and mouse support is spotty at best. What do you use?


I use this lovely little baby:

http://www.amazon.com/High-Speed-Dual-Ps2-Controller-Converter/dp/B00 0 F6BGXY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1343836171&sr=8-1&keywords=ps2+joypad+to +usb

It lets you connect 2 PS2 joypads through USB. I've had it for at least 8 years and not a single problem ever.

Alternatively, Windows Vista/7 natively support the XBOX360 joypads.
 
2012-08-01 11:52:57 AM  
Now with linky goodness

I don't know why Fark does this shiat that separates URL with random spaces.... It's annoying.
 
2012-08-01 11:54:30 AM  
Jeez... it doesn't work either...

Here you go in two versions:

Linky version

Direct version: http://amzn.to/NJgCbH
 
2012-08-01 12:21:34 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: soporific: the money is in the banana stand: I still don't understand why consoles have yet to FULLY adopt the use of a mouse + keyboard as a peripheral option for ALL games.

The same reason I have a USB gamepad for my computer.

I'm curious, what games do you use it for? I've played many different consoles and it may be that I grew up as a pc gamer but nothing seems as intuitive or flexible as a key board and a mouse to me.


Platformers and action titles. If it's a console port on PC, then I'll use the controller. Using the arrow keys for an action platformer is just awkward for me.

However, a FPS or RPG will mean mouse and keyboard. I also use mouse and keyboard for MMO games.

Every game is different and it depends on what type of controller feels more natural.
 
2012-08-01 12:47:44 PM  

soporific: insertsnarkyusername: soporific: the money is in the banana stand: I still don't understand why consoles have yet to FULLY adopt the use of a mouse + keyboard as a peripheral option for ALL games.

The same reason I have a USB gamepad for my computer.

I'm curious, what games do you use it for? I've played many different consoles and it may be that I grew up as a pc gamer but nothing seems as intuitive or flexible as a key board and a mouse to me.

Platformers and action titles. If it's a console port on PC, then I'll use the controller. Using the arrow keys for an action platformer is just awkward for me.

However, a FPS or RPG will mean mouse and keyboard. I also use mouse and keyboard for MMO games.

Every game is different and it depends on what type of controller feels more natural.


upload.wikimedia.org
This needed two joysticks, one for aiming and one for strafing. Goddamn those were two damn fine games (Descent 3 sucked and was the Crysis of its day, crushing anything but the highest end systems into dust).
 
2012-08-01 02:01:59 PM  

Trocadero:
This needed two joysticks, one for aiming and one for strafing. Goddamn those were two damn fine games (Descent 3 sucked and was the Crysis of its day, crushing anything but the highest end systems into dust).


I had good times playing Descent on a single joystick with the pitch, yaw and roll on the stick itself, and strafing 8 directions with the POV hat on top.

Man, that takes me back.
 
2012-08-01 04:28:21 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: rocky_howard: insertsnarkyusername: soporific: the money is in the banana stand: I still don't understand why consoles have yet to FULLY adopt the use of a mouse + keyboard as a peripheral option for ALL games.

The same reason I have a USB gamepad for my computer.

I'm curious, what games do you use it for? I've played many different consoles and it may be that I grew up as a pc gamer but nothing seems as intuitive or flexible as a key board and a mouse to me.

GTA, for example. In general, joypads are better for third person games. But nothing comes close to mouse+KB for first person ones.

I've been looking for a controller so I can emulate ps2 and N64 games. The keyboard just doesn't work for them and mouse support is spotty at best. What do you use?


If you're looking to play N64 (or Genesis or Saturn) games, the best pad to use, IMHO, is the Saitek Rumble Force. One look will tell you why:

images.amazon.com

Unfortunately, it's discontinued, but you can still find them on Amazon or eBay. It's also DirectInput, so you'll need a wrapper (like X360CE) to use it for XInput games.
 
2012-08-01 04:46:51 PM  
Thanks for all the recommendations guys. I'll keep them in mind.
 
2012-08-02 10:21:25 AM  

HeartBurnKid: insertsnarkyusername: rocky_howard: insertsnarkyusername: soporific: the money is in the banana stand: I still don't understand why consoles have yet to FULLY adopt the use of a mouse + keyboard as a peripheral option for ALL games.

The same reason I have a USB gamepad for my computer.

I'm curious, what games do you use it for? I've played many different consoles and it may be that I grew up as a pc gamer but nothing seems as intuitive or flexible as a key board and a mouse to me.

GTA, for example. In general, joypads are better for third person games. But nothing comes close to mouse+KB for first person ones.

I've been looking for a controller so I can emulate ps2 and N64 games. The keyboard just doesn't work for them and mouse support is spotty at best. What do you use?

If you're looking to play N64 (or Genesis or Saturn) games, the best pad to use, IMHO, is the Saitek Rumble Force. One look will tell you why:

[images.amazon.com image 500x500]

Unfortunately, it's discontinued, but you can still find them on Amazon or eBay. It's also DirectInput, so you'll need a wrapper (like X360CE) to use it for XInput games.


it is just a shiatty PS2 dual shock knock off. you would be better served by buying the PS2 USB controller adapter, or simply splicing a USB cable to an old XBOX controller S.
 
2012-08-02 10:24:05 AM  

frepnog: it is just a shiatty PS2 dual shock knock off.


Did I miss the PS2 Dual Shock with six face buttons?
 
2012-08-02 12:06:26 PM  

HeartBurnKid: frepnog: it is just a shiatty PS2 dual shock knock off.

Did I miss the PS2 Dual Shock with six face buttons?


Sticking two more buttons on the face doesnt make it any less a dual shock knockoff.
 
2012-08-02 12:29:05 PM  

frepnog: HeartBurnKid: frepnog: it is just a shiatty PS2 dual shock knock off.

Did I miss the PS2 Dual Shock with six face buttons?

Sticking two more buttons on the face doesnt make it any less a dual shock knockoff.


And stickign two...er...sticks doesn't make the PS controller any less of a SNES joypad knockoff.
 
2012-08-02 12:31:19 PM  

frepnog: HeartBurnKid: frepnog: it is just a shiatty PS2 dual shock knock off.

Did I miss the PS2 Dual Shock with six face buttons?

Sticking two more buttons on the face doesnt make it any less a dual shock knockoff.


It does make it massively better for playing N64 (or Genesis or Saturn) games, however. Which was my point.
 
2012-08-02 01:27:26 PM  

HeartBurnKid: frepnog: HeartBurnKid: frepnog: it is just a shiatty PS2 dual shock knock off.

Did I miss the PS2 Dual Shock with six face buttons?

Sticking two more buttons on the face doesnt make it any less a dual shock knockoff.

It does make it massively better for playing N64 (or Genesis or Saturn) games, however. Which was my point.


Or Capcom arcade games in Emulators
 
2012-08-02 01:32:22 PM  

HeartBurnKid: frepnog: HeartBurnKid: frepnog: it is just a shiatty PS2 dual shock knock off.

Did I miss the PS2 Dual Shock with six face buttons?

Sticking two more buttons on the face doesnt make it any less a dual shock knockoff.

It does make it massively better for playing N64 (or Genesis or Saturn) games, however. Which was my point.


i don't see how you can say "massively" better. yes, the genny (well, the genny fight pad had 6 buttons, the standard had 3) and the saturn had 6 face buttons. which really helps in fighting games... a genre that largely sucks on pc, emulated or not. pretty much most other saturn and genny games used the "A" button, perhaps the "B" and little else. For N64 games, well, it was pretty much the same story. Which would explain why the "A" and "B" button on the controller were huge and the little bitty "C" buttons were hardly used by anything that wasn't Super Mario 64.

I have played games on all three consoles since they were originally launched. 6 face buttons really just weren't needed unless you played alot of 6 button fighting games. why do you think most modern controllers have 4 general face buttons??

So yeah, I see what you are saying as far as emulating the feel of the original consoles. but MASSIVELY better? not in any appreciable way, and sucks in some ways, especially since the thing is a PS2 dual shock knock off with the same incredibly shiatty, still-uncomfortable stick placement.
 
2012-08-02 01:34:20 PM  

rocky_howard: frepnog: HeartBurnKid: frepnog: it is just a shiatty PS2 dual shock knock off.

Did I miss the PS2 Dual Shock with six face buttons?

Sticking two more buttons on the face doesnt make it any less a dual shock knockoff.

And stickign two...er...sticks doesn't make the PS controller any less of a SNES joypad knockoff.


the original PS controller was obviously an evolution of the SNES pad. no one can argue otherwise.
 
2012-08-02 01:53:55 PM  

frepnog: So yeah, I see what you are saying as far as emulating the feel of the original consoles. but MASSIVELY better? not in any appreciable way, and sucks in some ways, especially since the thing is a PS2 dual shock knock off with the same incredibly shiatty, still-uncomfortable stick placement.


Wait... so your major complaint is that it shares the PS2's stick placement... and one of your counter-recommendations is to use a PS2 controller with a USB adapter? Somehow, I don't think you've thought your cunning plan all the way through.

Besides which, if your primary concern is retrogaming, it's doubtful that stick placement is going to be high on your list of priorities. And if it is, just get a wired 360 pad.
 
2012-08-02 02:34:39 PM  

HeartBurnKid: frepnog: So yeah, I see what you are saying as far as emulating the feel of the original consoles. but MASSIVELY better? not in any appreciable way, and sucks in some ways, especially since the thing is a PS2 dual shock knock off with the same incredibly shiatty, still-uncomfortable stick placement.

Wait... so your major complaint is that it shares the PS2's stick placement... and one of your counter-recommendations is to use a PS2 controller with a USB adapter? Somehow, I don't think you've thought your cunning plan all the way through.

Besides which, if your primary concern is retrogaming, it's doubtful that stick placement is going to be high on your list of priorities. And if it is, just get a wired 360 pad.


yes the dual shock stick placement sucks.

and what I said was this - "you would be better served by buying the PS2 USB controller adapter, or simply splicing a USB cable to an old XBOX controller S."

better served because chances are great that you already OWN a PS2 pad. Not that it is in any way superior.
 
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