The issue really isn't the fact that the owner said anti-gay remarks, more that the company actively donates to hate groups such as the AFA. That is the problem.

potterydove: According to hate groups like the ACLU, being pro-family is being anti-gay.

WTF?

How is telling loving couples they can't marry because it offends people of another religion being "pro-family"

Two loving men or women who want to wed, are allowed to by their faith, and are told they can't because people who follow another religion say it violates their religious traditions and concept of what a "family" is, is being "pro-family"?

That's typical Conservative doubletalk bullshiat. It's like when they want to prohibit an abortion because the procedure would be needed to save the life of the mother, so instead of aborting the fetus and saving the mother, both would die. . .because that's "pro life".

Guess what. Banning marriage equality is not a universal religious constant. The Anglican Church will do it (not all Priests and Bishops will, but you can have a gay marriage in an Anglican Church if the local diocese permits it, and there are a number that will). The Old Catholic Churches of Utrecht (a series of European Catholic churches that split with Rome in the 1800's) will marry gay couples (and ordain women priests).

Quakers, Lutheran Church of Sweden, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, Church of Denmark, Church of Norway, Unitarian Universalists, Mennonite Church of the Netherlands.

Basically, most Churches other than Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Mormons, JW's and US Protestants approve of it. Or is this a "no true Scotsman" issue and all those other religions don't count?

That's without getting into non-Christian faiths that will conduct same-sex unions, like neo-Pagan faiths

Trying to ban legal recognition of same-sex marriages on religious grounds is a blatant First Amendment Establishment Clause issue, because it is giving the religious doctrine of some faiths preferential treatment in establishing the law of the land.

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Man, whatever.

The guy is a bible-banging dickhole, but it's a privately held company. He's entitled to his shiatty opinion and he can do what he wants with his business. I'm not going to stop eating spicy chicken sandwiches and waffle fries with lemonade because I don't agree with his politics.

Translation - I'm not going to inconvenience myself by standing up for my principles.

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Man, whatever.

The guy is a bible-banging dickhole, but it's a privately held company. He's entitled to his shiatty opinion and he can do what he wants with his business. I'm not going to stop eating spicy chicken sandwiches and waffle fries with lemonade because I don't agree with his politics.

I don't care that the CEO has a shiatty opinion. He can say he eagerly awaits the Fourth Reich if he wants to.

I do care that he's been giving the company's money to hate groups like AFA, Exodus International and FoF.

That is what this kerfuffle is about. I won't support those groups directly or indirectly, so I won't give Chik-Fil-A the revenue money with which to do that.

Lesson: Business and politics don't mix. Business and religion don't mix. No matter what side you pick, people will hate you, just say nothing. I have been in sales for years. My clients don't know my political or religious views. I have clients that are pro-gay marriage and anti-gay marriage. Some are die hard republicans, others are die hard democrats. I want their money so I nod, agree and accept their monthly payments.

Jodeo: natazha: "the biblical definition of the family unit,"

So, where are my concubines?

The bible is chock full of sinners. Don't confuse their breaking of God's plan with permission to go and do likewise. It was Adam and Eve, not Abraham and Sarah and Hagar and his Concubines.

God hates divorce, too. Just sayin'.

Solomon Had 700 wives, 300 concubines, and was Holy and beloved of Yahweh enough to build the First Temple.

The only problem was that many of his wives were followers of their own deities of their peoples, not Yahweh, and they convinced their husband to build temples to their Gods, making the God of the Israelites angry since he was having to coexist with other deities and not pretend to be the only God.

So, basically, polygamy is allowed, but only if you are marrying wives of the same faith.

"the biblical definition of the family unit,"

So, where are my concubines?

jvl: I for one am outraged that the owner of a crappy food restaurant espouses the same opinion on gay marriage that Barak Obama did four years ago.

/ Protip: Obama didn't mean it. It was politically convenient like ethanol subsidies.

Obama made some money by selling his books to people. Did he go around giving the money from the book sales to groups whose purpose is to prolong apartheid against gays? Did he do so while proudly proclaiming it?

Every time I see someone defending their anti-gay stance as "we support the biblical definition of marriage", I cringe.

Do they think none of us have read the Bible?

hubmacfan: Can someone explain why people are so shocked that a company that is run by very open-about-it Christians made some anti-gay remarks.

They probably should have kept their mouth shut, but it's not like you couldn't guess their position anyway.

There's a woman in my office that "can't" eat Chinese because of all the MSG, but she shoves Chick-Fil-A in her gullet on the regular. People can't be bothered to know jack about the products they like.

Urban Outfitters sells Obama shirts to suburban hipsters and is run by Rick Santorum's buddy, and Forever 21 sells skankwear and they're run by Jesus freaks. I doubt the people who shop at both have a clue where their money goes.

I used to avoid Domino's Pizza. Not for all the abortion stuff, but because Domino's Pizza tastes like Domino's Pizza.

Can someone explain why people are so shocked that a company that is run by very open-about-it Christians made some anti-gay remarks.

They probably should have kept their mouth shut, but it's not like you couldn't guess their position anyway.

DjangoStonereaver: partially because the individual restaurants are owned by
local franchisees who may not have such a bigoted stance on things.

Given that they interview franchisees individually and they have to promise to run in a biblical manner, yeah, chances are good they do have the same bigoted stance.

jjorsett: If going after corporate Thoughtcrime is the 'in' thing these days, I suggest the right-wingers start with Ben & Jerry's for saying, "We stand with you" to Occupy Wall Street.


Welcome to being on The Wrong Side of, well, just about everything.
Enjoy!

Silverstaff: Jodeo: natazha: "the biblical definition of the family unit,"

So, where are my concubines?

The bible is chock full of sinners. Don't confuse their breaking of God's plan with permission to go and do likewise. It was Adam and Eve, not Abraham and Sarah and Hagar and his Concubines.

God hates divorce, too. Just sayin'.

Solomon Had 700 wives, 300 concubines, and was Holy and beloved of Yahweh enough to build the First Temple.

The only problem was that many of his wives were followers of their own deities of their peoples, not Yahweh, and they convinced their husband to build temples to their Gods, making the God of the Israelites angry since he was having to coexist with other deities and not pretend to be the only God.

So, basically, polygamy is allowed, but only if you are marrying wives of the same faith.

I'll see your King Solomon and raise you King David. In II Samuel Chapter 12, the Prophet Nathan comes to rebuke David after the Bathsheeba / Uriah the Hittite incident. In verse 8, Nathan is speaking the direct words of the LORD [YHWH] God of Abraham, Isaaac, and Jacob, to David:

"And I [the LORD God] gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things."

God point-blank says that He personally gave David the multiple wives of former King Saul!

David's sin was taking the wife of another man whom God had not given him, and ordering the murder-by-abandonment-in-battle of her rightful husband to accomplish it.

(Note: Bathsheeba was Solomon's mother. Had David not committed this sin, neither Solomon nor any other of the post-David Kings of United Israel or Judah would ever have existed, and neither would [at least according to Matthew] the line leading to Joseph the Carpenter, [allegedly step-]father of Jesus of Nazareth! But I digress....)

SphericalTime: Actually, I'm kinda surprised by this. I thought the Berenstain authors were pretty right wing.

FTA: "Stan Berenstain died in 2005, while Jan Berenstain died in February of this year."

They might've been, but apparently whomever is putting out the statements for the family may not be.

beta_plus: Even if hitler owned chick-fil-a, I'd still buy their breakfast burrito.

And you'd still be an asshole.

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: He's entitled to his shiatty opinion and he can do what he wants with his business.

He absolutely is entitled to do whatever he wants (though I'm not sure what being a private company has to do with that). Just like everyone who doesn't want this dude to have any more money to spend on his political causes can refuse to do business with him.

beta_plus:
/marriage isn't a right - it's a contract
//free speech and association are rights
///don't believe you for a minute that you won't use gay marriage to force privately owned and operated Churches you don't like to marry homosexuals

Even if your first point I quote above was true, being denied marriage denies a large number of other rights.

Furthermore, your 3rd point I quote is complete and utter BS. I am a Christian, married to a Jew. This is completely legal (now, anyways) in America. However, any number of private institutions (Churches and Synagogues, Priests and Rabbis) had no problem telling us they wouldn't be performing the ceremony, thank you very much.

If religious objection is a suitable reason for denying marriage, then all interfaith marriages should be annulled then is it?

/My words have more weight in this argument - see, I have the title of Reverend in my name!

Trackball: Considering that vote after vote the people of this country do not support gay marriage I would think that in the long run CFA will come out better on this. People will circle the wagons (while in the drive through) and the gay agenda really won't be able to call anything going on right now a victory.

When you have the liberal idiot mayor of NY telling the fascist mayors of Chicago, Boston and San Francisco that they have crossed the line....that should tell you something.

I agree with you on that point, In a similar vein, when the Berenstein family is trying to distance themselves from you due to your stated beliefs and donations, maybe that too should tell you something.

Trackball: e gay agenda really won't be able to call anything going on right now a victory.

It's sad that you live in a world where Equal Protection Under the Law is an "Agenda."

You are a bad person.

mesmer242: See, I do have a problem with that then. The SPLC researches before labeling, and I trust them far more than a bunch of outraged people on the internet. "Hate group" is a very heavy term that should be used carefully or we will all suffer.

They give money to groups that actively fight and organize against equal rights for homosexual unions. What would be your preferred word to describe that?

Because I think when you look at someone and say "I disapprove of who you are and how you live so much that I will actively fight to deny you equal protections under the law as protected by the Constitution. I want to literally create a second, lower class of citizen than I who is entitled to fewer protections under the law, and I want to make you a part of that group..."

To me "hatred" is a very accurate way to describe a statement like that, what description would you use?

KingVJ: YES, if actually reading what the man said is Bigotry, then I'm a bigot. BUT I won't twist someone's word & add stuff that wasn't there to make the news media.

How is his "pro-family" stance harmed by gay marriage? If you can give me a viable reason for this, I might let you off the hook, but otherwise, both you and he are bigots for excluding gay couples from your definition of family.

WTP 2: I DON'T CARE

if to get food (or anything) we had to agree with everyone in a company there would be mighty slim pickings in the country let alone the world.Or does anyone think that by purchasing said items you are voting for their beliefs?

Chick-fil-a routinely donates profits to the American Family Association, a known hate group. So yes, purchasing from them would violate my beliefs.

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Man, whatever.

The guy is a bible-banging dickhole, but it's a privately held company. He's entitled to his shiatty opinion and he can do what he wants with his business.

Of course he can. And we are free to boycott his restaurants if we want. Isn't it great to live in a country where everyone is free to express themselves?

WHY IS A FAST FOOD JOINT CARING WHERE I PUT MY PENIS

SHUT UP AND MAKE MY DAMN FOOD

RESTAURANTS DON'T ALTER MY SEXUAL URGES NOR ASSURE AFTERLIFE PLEASANTRIES

potterydove: According to hate groups like the ACLU, being pro-family is being anti-gay.

Wow. Are you truly so desperate to avoid seeing opinions that differ from yours that you have to falsely label the ACLU? I hope this is just "trolling".

KingVJ: potterydove: KingVJ: hubmacfan: Can someone explain why people are so shocked that a company that is run by very open-about-it Christians made some anti-gay remarks.

They probably should have kept their mouth shut, but it's not like you couldn't guess their position anyway.

Well he didn't make 'anti-gay' remarks.

http://www.brnow.org/News/July-2012/% E2%80%98Guilty-as-charged,%E2%80 % 99-Dan-Cathy-says-of-Chick-fil-A

rta.

He supports family

According to hate groups like the ACLU, being pro-family is being anti-gay.

Between You, Me, & everyone who can read this. Someone is misguided. (WRONG).

That's the 2nd time the ACLU has come up today & it is upsetting me.

Oh look, the Bigotry Brigade showed up.

Kuroshin: downpaymentblues: Kuroshin: downpaymentblues: Every time I see someone defending their anti-gay stance as "we support the biblical definition of marriage", I cringe.

Do they think none of us have read the Bible?

They haven't, so they assume we haven't either.

I'd just like to see them called on it one time. The Bible is chock full of some really disgusting views on "marriage".

Politics Tab. Happens all the time.

No. I meant on TV, when Huckabee or some other person uses the "biblical definition of marriage" as an excuse to deny equal rights, I'd really like to see just one interviewer read off Deuteronomy 22, or 2nd Samuel 12, or Exodus 21. I could go on and on. The Bible is disgusting in the treatment of women. Women and young girls are nothing more than cattle to be traded into "marriage" or raped into "marriage" or taken in "marriage" as the spoils of slaughtering all the men in a village.

I'll stop now. It really upsets me that I spent so much of my life subservient and unquestioning.

CraicBaby: syberpud: Yeah the Chick-fil-a guy is an idiot for alienating customers, but until it can be proven that the do discriminate against GLBT customers or employees, it's just his opinion and protected (i.e. from government repercussions) speech. Hell, it wasn't that far removed from the administration's pre-evolution stand on gay marriage.

I dunno if this is true, but a Facebook friend said she applied at CFA back in the day and they asked her about her sexual orientation. They also apparently ask you if you attend church and what church you go to.

Depending on the state, asking those two last question are illegal, I believe.

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy
2012-07-31 01:43:22 PM
Man, whatever.

The guy is a bible-banging dickhole, but it's a privately held company. He's entitled to his shiatty opinion and he can do what he wants with his business. I'm not going to stop eating spicy chicken sandwiches and waffle fries with lemonade because I don't agree with his politics.


This is a real shame. On a purely bidness level, CFA is the very benchmark for how to run a fast food joint. The stores are clean, the food is good, the employees are polite and service is good. No one ever says 'You're Welcome' or 'No prob'. Always, 'It's My Pleasure'. For some reason I love that small flourish.
And you're right. The guy is entitled to his opinion. But what these right wingers never seem to learn is that when you go public with your opinion, there are consequences.
And boycotts are the domain of right wingers. Just ask the Dixie Chicks if right wingers like to boycott.
As for me, My money will not be used to fund hate organizations like Focus on The Family or any group that attacks abortion doctors.
Not if I know about it first, at least. This dickwad has a right to his opinion. And so do I.

And I will miss those tasty, tasty CFA sammiches. I can't wait for Cathy to backpedal and walk his stupid statement back so I can stop eating grease bombs for lunch. Although at this point it will take more than just walking his statement back. It will probably take something along the lines of a public BJ or something.

How I feel listening to this idiotic debate (radio, print, tv, whatever):

Rapmaster2000: hubmacfan: Can someone explain why people are so shocked that a company that is run by very open-about-it Christians made some anti-gay remarks.

They probably should have kept their mouth shut, but it's not like you couldn't guess their position anyway.

There's a woman in my office that "can't" eat Chinese because of all the MSG, but she shoves Chick-Fil-A in her gullet on the regular. People can't be bothered to know jack about the products they like.

Urban Outfitters sells Obama shirts to suburban hipsters and is run by Rick Santorum's buddy, and Forever 21 sells skankwear and they're run by Jesus freaks. I doubt the people who shop at both have a clue where their money goes.

I used to avoid Domino's Pizza. Not for all the abortion stuff, but because Domino's Pizza tastes like Domino's Pizza.


This is why I avoid chick fil a

Jodeo: natazha: "the biblical definition of the family unit,"

So, where are my concubines?

The bible is chock full of sinners. Don't confuse their breaking of God's plan with permission to go and do likewise. It was Adam and Eve, not Abraham and Sarah and Hagar and his Concubines.

God hates divorce, too. Just sayin'.

Don't forget Cain and Abel and their sister-wives. Or were they doing Eve too? Must have been some interesting Thanksgiving dinners around their place.

So. . . no real controversy then.

The people who created Berenstain bears are gone (sadly) and can't speak for themselves on this issue.

jjorsett: If going after corporate Thoughtcrime is the 'in' thing these days, I suggest the right-wingers start with Ben & Jerry's for saying, "We stand with you" to Occupy Wall Street.

And just when did Evil become so goddamned whiny?

Kuroshin: You are giving them money with which they will pay lobbying groups to work within our government to continue oppression and persecution of people who were born gay.

So yes, in a very real and literal sense, you are voting for their beliefs.

Quoted for Truth.

And this is why Citizen's United ruling was such a complete disaster. Business is no longer done "at arm's length" by "rational actors", politics becomes a very real influence in the transaction. I'm not just talking about the boycotters either, there's a reaction among the reactionaries to go out of their way to eat at Chik-Fil-A to "stand up for Christian rights".

I wonder how this is going to impact the upcoming College Football Season? The Disney Co. Must be spitting nails at this point. The anchor sponsor for college football on ESPN, this ought to be good.

Anyone want to bet we won't be seeing any " eat more chick'n ads"

FTA: "The Berenstain family does not at this time have control over whether the program proceeds or not. We hope those concerned about this issue will direct their comments toward HarperCollins and Chick-fil-A,"

/translation We're here to make money, don't picket us - it's them!

The funny thing is Barack Obama had the exact same stand on gay marriage as Chick-Fil-A when he was running in Illinois. So maybe this Cathy guy should just say he's "evolved" from his marriage stance and all of this will go away.

Oblig for a Berenstain Bear thread...



I would like to see this horror story in person, but then I'd be afraid my kid would want me to read it to him. Amazon has a few pages to see, but not the referenced part.

/Props to Penny Arcade

Rapmaster2000: I used to avoid Domino's Pizza. Not for all the abortion stuff, but because Domino's Pizza tastes like Domino's Pizza.

You sound like you have good taste in pizza.

natazha: "the biblical definition of the family unit,"

So, where are my concubines?

The bible is chock full of sinners. Don't confuse their breaking of God's plan with permission to go and do likewise. It was Adam and Eve, not Abraham and Sarah and Hagar and his Concubines.

God hates divorce, too. Just sayin'.

I look forward to the day when even the VeggieTale people won't have anything to do with those assholes.