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2012-07-31 02:57:10 PM  
demaL-demaL-yeH: So what should I call the grenade launchers, then, you Orwellian fark, "post-hole diggers"?
/Tautology 101: We've now conclusively established that grenades are grenades, that grenade launchers are grenade launchers, and that bullets are bullets.
//Next lesson we examine whether fraud is fraud and theft is theft within the contexts of Wall Street and phone solicitation.

skullkrusher:right, and saying that the police fired their grenade launchers at the crowd... that would be technically correct and that's the best kind of correct, after all. It is the reader's fault for assuming that meant they fired fragmentation grenades rather than tear gas canisters. The reader is also discouraged from paying attention to the other references to "military gear" as that might give the wrong impression of the nature of those grenade launchers and the author certainly wasn't trying to be overly dramatic.

That's the ticket: A reasonable reader will assume that cops are firing fragmentation, HE, incendiary, and HEAT grenades at people gathered near Disneyland.

You're one of a few here trying to obfuscate and indulge in sophism to "give the wrong impression of the nature of those grenade launchers", not me.
The purpose of a grenade launcher is to launch grenades. That's its "nature."
 
2012-07-31 02:58:28 PM  

Need_MindBleach: I no longer have the slightest respect for police officers. They kill innocent people at night in their own homes. They kill unarmed suspects. They dress up in military camo at protests for the unarmed people they've killed. Fark the police in this country. I have no more respect for a cop that I would for a gang member.


That's because the police are a gang.
/I don't see no riot here, take off the riot gear
 
2012-07-31 02:59:44 PM  

ontariolightning: you must be african american or latino


You must be a racist who's never to been to any significant protest or been around cops for any period of time.
 
2012-07-31 03:08:29 PM  

skullkrusher: the author certainly wasn't trying to be overly dramatic.


Overly dramatic: Shooting a man because he ran from you, then making sure to finish the job, then...oh I've said it before.
 
2012-07-31 03:08:58 PM  

Corvus: s2s2s2: Corvus: Just because you were wronged doesn't make it ok to be violent and harm others.

Just because some brown guy runs when approached by police doesn't make it ok for them to shoot him in the back, then again, then rubber bullet a crowd of women and children, try to buy up the evidence, then posture that they will catch the wrongdoers, when they are the wrongdoers.

NO ONE SAID IT IS. HOLY shiat GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!


Where were we saying that is ok?!?!? WE NEVER DID!

NO ONE WAS SAYING THE POLICE SHOOTING WAS OK.

NO ONE WAS SAYING THE POLICE SHOOTING WAS OK.

NO ONE WAS SAYING THE POLICE SHOOTING WAS OK.

NO ONE WAS SAYING THE POLICE SHOOTING WAS OK.

NO ONE WAS SAYING THE POLICE SHOOTING WAS OK.


How many times does this need to be explained to you until you stop pretending that's what people are saying.


Dude, calm the fark down already.
 
2012-07-31 03:09:25 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: That's the ticket: A reasonable reader will assume that cops are firing fragmentation, HE, incendiary, and HEAT grenades at people gathered near Disneyland.

You're one of a few here trying to obfuscate and indulge in sophism to "give the wrong impression of the nature of those grenade launchers", not me.
The purpose of a grenade launcher is to launch grenades. That's its "nature."


are we're sure they're cops? The diarist is quite confused. He called them "military police" when he initially posted. Then he wonders if they are private mercenaries hired by GloboTron Industries at the behest of Lex Luthor. Whatever the case, they look like they're on patrol in Iraq. Oh, look, here's one of these military police or mercenaries in their camo gear looking like they're on patrol in Iraq with a tear gas grenade launcher.

Yeah, he was being on the up and up.
 
2012-07-31 03:11:46 PM  

skullkrusher: are we're sure they're cops? The diarist is quite confused. He called them "military police" when he initially posted. Then he wonders if they are private mercenaries hired by GloboTron Industries at the behest of Lex Luthor.


You clearly have no idea what Jimmy Carter is doing to the soil.
 
2012-07-31 03:19:34 PM  

ongbok: This is how the Chicago police have been handling OWS, and how they handled the UN meetings that were here a while ago, and you didn't see all of that craziness that you saw in other places where the police felt the need to intimidate and hurt peaceful protestors.


Are you talking about NATO?
Because if so, you're lying out your ass.
The cops were everywhere, stole my friend's ID, had male cops grope two female protesters I was with, they attacked peaceful (and lawful) protesters multiple times, and I saw a handful (still alot for one weekend's space of time) of clashes first-hand that started on the cop's side.
And the local media was lie after lie the whole damn time I was there. CPD aren't as tough as Oakland or Portland PD, and they aren't as professional (using the bullhorn to shout "dirty hippies", etc.) but they are just another gang and I'd probably prefer dealing with Anaheim over them again, unless I'm allowed one free punch to each and every member of the CPD in the balls and coont respectively the next time I'm in the city.
 
2012-07-31 03:20:56 PM  
You picayune pedants are still going on about teargas canisters are precisely equivalent to frag grenades!?
 
2012-07-31 03:22:03 PM  

Corvus: It wasn't peaceful.


Of course not, they were responding in self-defense to an aggressive occupying gang.
 
2012-07-31 03:24:59 PM  

m2313: Corvus: It wasn't peaceful.

Of course not, they were responding in self-defense to an aggressive occupying gang.


...the Japanese? That's racist.
 
2012-07-31 03:35:40 PM  

Staffist: I thought that this was settled the other day. Come on people, it's an AK-47.


Looks more like a glock to me.
 
2012-07-31 03:35:40 PM  

Sabyen91: You actually think Dems protect bankers and Republicans are the awesome people that want to prosecute them. You are a moron.


Actually both of them protect bankers.
 
2012-07-31 03:39:42 PM  

PonceAlyosha: I'm sorry, but people of Anaheim, it's time for the option of last resort. You have to go full Gandhi.


More like Panthers.

randomjsa: And as soon as they go home and stop rioting, there will be peace.


No. The peace was repeatedly broken by a violent gang called the APD. The protesters response so far has been mild, as not a single member of this gang has yet had the same force applied to them as they did to innocent victims.
 
2012-07-31 03:41:21 PM  

Kittypie070: You picayune pedants are still going on about teargas canisters are precisely equivalent to frag grenades!?


I think the discussion was about what type of delivery device was in the photo, because what is important is being technically accurate when discussing the tools of violent oppression.
 
2012-07-31 03:48:24 PM  

gearsprocket: Imagine if the minorities in Anaheim didn't try to start a riot. Those big bad scary people with tear gas launchers would not be there...

I feel so sorry for the violent minorities!

Just kidding.


Imagine if the police didn't start the riot by terrorizing the community and killing civilians.
 
2012-07-31 03:59:05 PM  

LasersHurt: That stuff is always where I part ways with any protest group. FFS, you just lit a man on fire. Every point you're trying to make is invalid now.


Cops-on-fire pics are usually from Greece.
In Greece, the cops openly help a violent Neo-Nazi Party kill or assault immigrants, they enforce the dictatorship of the troika and the bankers, and they lock people out from what is theirs.
I assure you every single cop on fire in that picture deserved it.
 
2012-07-31 04:07:11 PM  

m2313: LasersHurt: That stuff is always where I part ways with any protest group. FFS, you just lit a man on fire. Every point you're trying to make is invalid now.

Cops-on-fire pics are usually from Greece.
In Greece, the cops openly help a violent Neo-Nazi Party kill or assault immigrants, they enforce the dictatorship of the troika and the bankers, and they lock people out from what is theirs.
I assure you every single cop on fire in that picture deserved it.


I disagree. I don't think people deserve to be set on fire.
 
2012-07-31 04:10:58 PM  

sprawl15: Instead of breaking the windows, they should have politely asked for a job application.


i2.kym-cdn.com
Think the station should have been targeted instead of Starbucks and that doing so was idiotic but come on dude, what farking economy are you living under?
 
2012-07-31 04:12:15 PM  
s2s2s2 2012-07-31 03:41:21 PM
(re-farky'd as: 7241439 damn pigs vs. poors smoked my sarc meter :D)

Kittypie070: You picayune pedants are still going on about teargas canisters are precisely equivalent to frag grenades!?

I think the discussion was about what type of delivery device was in the photo, because what is important is being technically accurate when discussing the tools of violent oppression.


Well, yeah, of course. It's imperative to be accurate.

But did y'all really need to drag it out for so long?

And why is my sarc meter ticking? ;3
 
2012-07-31 04:13:51 PM  

LasersHurt: I disagree. I don't think people deserve to be set on fire.


The protesters in Greece don't exactly have common access to guns, unless you're insisting the protesters stick to throwing back tear gas canisters and playing fisticuffs.
 
2012-07-31 04:14:34 PM  

m2313: what farking economy are you living under?


fartbongo's nomerican't economy
 
2012-07-31 04:24:32 PM  

m2313: LasersHurt: I disagree. I don't think people deserve to be set on fire.

The protesters in Greece don't exactly have common access to guns, unless you're insisting the protesters stick to throwing back tear gas canisters and playing fisticuffs.


I feel like you're missing the point. The government farking up does not give you the right to kill everyone associated with that government indiscriminately, be it via flame or gun.
 
2012-07-31 04:46:31 PM  
Hey we can all agree that a tear gas grenade does not = a fragmentation grenade.

We can all agree that they are both launched from a grenade launcher (device to launch grenades).

As for why we keep giving military toys and training to people I wouldn't trust with anything more lethal than a cork gun I'm not sure.

If qualification rates on grenade launchers are as effective as their regular training I'm not supprised they shoot inocent bystanders.
 
2012-07-31 04:48:23 PM  

m2313: LasersHurt: I disagree. I don't think people deserve to be set on fire.

The protesters in Greece don't exactly have common access to guns, unless you're insisting the protesters stick to throwing back tear gas canisters and playing fisticuffs.


You're not saying that citizens have the right to bear arms? Because that's racist!
 
2012-07-31 04:50:27 PM  
demaL-demaL-yeH: That's the ticket: A reasonable reader will assume that cops are firing fragmentation, HE, incendiary, and HEAT grenades at people gathered near Disneyland.

You're one of a few here trying to obfuscate and indulge in sophism to "give the wrong impression of the nature of those grenade launchers", not me.
The purpose of a grenade launcher is to launch grenades. That's its "nature."

skullkrusher: we're sure they're cops? The diarist is quite confused. He called them "military police" when he initially posted. Then he wonders if they are private mercenaries hired by GloboTron Industries at the behest of Lex Luthor. Whatever the case, they look like they're on patrol in Iraq. Oh, look, here's one of these military police or mercenaries in their camo gear looking like they're on patrol in Iraq with a tear gas grenade launcher.

Yeah, he was being on the up and up.


*Checks headline of TFA*
It's Happened: Paramilitary Police vs Civilians in Anaheim

Shiny badge is sort of visible on the body-by-doughnut cop carrying the grenade launcher in first photo.
The Anaheim PD patch is visible on sleeve of the multicam uniform in second photo.
Sure, i mean, of course there's absolutely no way the multicam uniforms and gear those cops had would confuse anybody.*
*Not intended to be a factual statement. Applies only to s-k's "reality".

/Cops should dress and act like farking cops, and not like Rambo-wannabes.
 
2012-07-31 05:18:12 PM  

LasersHurt: government indiscriminately, be it via flame or gun.


And what makes you think it's indiscriminately?
They're targeting a force that specifically acts as an armed gang to enforce a handpicked banker government and to terrorize immigrants.
Not only that, I'm pretty sure that happened on the site of a clash where police already acted offensively, as opposed to "here's a cop eating a donut, get him".
 
2012-07-31 05:22:40 PM  

m2313: LasersHurt: government indiscriminately, be it via flame or gun.

And what makes you think it's indiscriminately?
They're targeting a force that specifically acts as an armed gang to enforce a handpicked banker government and to terrorize immigrants.
Not only that, I'm pretty sure that happened on the site of a clash where police already acted offensively, as opposed to "here's a cop eating a donut, get him".


Listen. Not every cop there is "act[ing] as an armed gang to enforce a handpicked banker government and to terrorize immigrants". Some of them are just young people who needed employment. This does NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO KILL THEM.

There are almost NO circumstances in which murdering innocent people is the right way to handle things. Yes, innocent people - simply being a cop does not mean you are evil. These guys don't wake up going "I sure would love to suppress the innocent!" They wake up and go "I hope I survive the day so I can come home to my family."

Stop being a farking idiot, and stop thinking it's okay to kill people. It's not, you psychopath. This isn't a farking video game where everyone in the other uniform is faceless evil, to be picked off at will. They're humans with families and real lives.
 
2012-07-31 05:25:55 PM  

dittybopper: dittybopper: JTF-6 was pissed off enough about it that became a "lesson learned" in their command publication US Army War College publication, "PARAMETERS":

And here is the link, btw: Legal Aspects of Domestic Employment of the Army by Thomas R. Lujan, from Parameters, Autumn 1997, pp. 82-97.


Why am I always surprised every time I learn that I have been misinformed by the media and our government? I thought the military stayed out of that debacle.
 
2012-07-31 06:07:39 PM  
DJ Kittypie here with more peculiarly thread-appropriate insanity for your somewhat dubious listening enjoyment:

SR-71 Blackbird Tribute featuring "Preliator" by Globus.

Take it awaaaaaaaaaaaaay, Kelly Johnson.
 
2012-07-31 06:19:13 PM  
There's a little bit of troll-derp in this thread. I'll have no part of it.
 
2012-07-31 06:37:05 PM  

Kittypie070: [kitten crawls up into Ancient Fishy's lap and cries]

/bad vibes


*Pets her head*
 
2012-07-31 06:39:50 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: And? You think they have grenades loaded in that thing, or crowd-control rounds like rubber pellets or bean bags or tear gas canisters?

*pats Lando Lincoln on head*
Yes. You finally get it!


So you think that they actually have grenades loaded in that thing.

I see.

Huh.

Well. You are not a crazy person at all.
 
2012-07-31 06:58:48 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Agreed. Rioting and protesting are not synonymous.


Disrupting civil order and creating lawlessness is rioting. If you're disturbing the peace and the police order you to disperse, you disperse or stop disturbing the peace. Stop playing "I'm not touching you" with the cops. They don't like that.

Again, this all comes down to protestors not being bothered enough to learn how to effectively deal with things they claim to be so passionate about.

Put it to you this way, would you be fine with any group in America pulling these tactics? How about if the WBC wasn't a 15-20 person family but instead a 2,000 strong church and they decided to air their grievances by shutting down a city with mass protests on a daily basis?
 
2012-07-31 07:16:40 PM  

Mrbogey: How about if the WBC wasn't a 15-20 person family but instead a 2,000 strong church and they decided to air their grievances by shutting down a city with mass protests on a daily basis?


The Supreme Court ruled 8-1 in favor of WBC (Snyder v Phelps). Well, they actually ruled in favor of free speech. Why should it matter if they are 15-20 people or 2,000?

Put it to you this way, why do you hate free speech?
 
2012-07-31 07:39:06 PM  

Lando Lincoln:
So you think that they actually have grenades loaded in that thing.
I see.
Huh.
Well. You are not a crazy person at all.


You listed several types of grenades that the cop could have loaded - tear gas grenade, pepper-ball grenade, "baton" grenade. There are others .

It's a sure bet that cop isn't walking around with an unloaded grenade launcher.

Wait. Are you one of those idiots claiming that grenades aren't grenades?

/Let me laugh even harder.
 
2012-07-31 07:46:54 PM  
sprawl15
Rioting is, as a rule, idiotic, because it's just unfocused violence. If they really wanted to protest the police's actions, they should have gone and broken windows at the police station.

I support this product and/or service


Corvus
NO ONE WAS SAYING THE POLICE SHOOTING WAS OK.

So what are you doing about it?

Federal authorities to review Anaheim police shootings, mayor says

Well thank goodness.


m2313
The cops were everywhere, stole my friend's ID, had male cops grope two female protesters I was with, they attacked peaceful (and lawful) protesters multiple times, and I saw a handful (still alot for one weekend's space of time) of clashes first-hand that started on the cop's side.
And the local media was lie after lie the whole damn time I was there. CPD aren't as tough as Oakland or Portland PD, and they aren't as professional (using the bullhorn to shout "dirty hippies", etc.) but they are just another gang and I'd probably prefer dealing with Anaheim over them again, unless I'm allowed one free punch to each and every member of the CPD in the balls and coont respectively the next time I'm in the city.


I hear Saturday went pretty well- all-day march breaking like seven kettles.


LasersHurt
I disagree. I don't think people deserve to be set on fire.

I don't give a fark who 'deserves' what! Morality is bullshiat. What matters is what's going to stop the cops from killing again.

I feel like you're missing the point. The government farking up does not give you the right to kill everyone associated with that government indiscriminately, be it via flame or gun.

Remember to relax when you're getting farked in the ass, it goes in much easier!
 
2012-07-31 07:59:37 PM  
LasersHurt
Some of them are just young people who needed employment.

Mercenaries are the worst kind of scum.

simply being a cop does not mean you are evil

If you are part of an organization whose real function is to kill, steal, oppress, kidnap, and torture, then you have an obligation to leave that organization. Otherwise I have no sympathy when people believe you agree with the methods and results of that organization.

Stop being a farking idiot, and stop thinking it's okay to kill people. It's not, you psychopath. This isn't a farking video game where everyone in the other uniform is faceless evil, to be picked off at will. They're humans with families and real lives.

And we aren't? The police have to be stopped. Can you point to an example of any bullshiat liberal protest or political circus antics that have a chance of success? The fact that the entire political and media establishment in the region is running a full-force campaign to get people to quiet down and go home should be taken as a sign that this is the only thing they really fear.
 
2012-07-31 08:05:05 PM  

RanDomino: LasersHurt
Some of them are just young people who needed employment.

Mercenaries are the worst kind of scum.

simply being a cop does not mean you are evil

If you are part of an organization whose real function is to kill, steal, oppress, kidnap, and torture, then you have an obligation to leave that organization. Otherwise I have no sympathy when people believe you agree with the methods and results of that organization.

Stop being a farking idiot, and stop thinking it's okay to kill people. It's not, you psychopath. This isn't a farking video game where everyone in the other uniform is faceless evil, to be picked off at will. They're humans with families and real lives.

And we aren't? The police have to be stopped. Can you point to an example of any bullshiat liberal protest or political circus antics that have a chance of success? The fact that the entire political and media establishment in the region is running a full-force campaign to get people to quiet down and go home should be taken as a sign that this is the only thing they really fear.


Yeah, but you happen to be missing the real point here, bro. The headline is very obviously wrong. ATTENTION MUST BE PAID. MISLEADING HEADLINES ON FARK ARE KILLING AMERCIA!

Right, Corvus?
 
2012-07-31 08:24:22 PM  
Isn't California supposed to be all peace and love and shiat?

/Liberals confuse me.
 
2012-07-31 09:16:25 PM  

Phony_Soldier: Isn't California supposed to be all peace and love and shiat?

/Liberals confuse me.


Your profile says San Jose. Troll harder.
 
2012-07-31 09:48:12 PM  

Phony_Soldier: Isn't California supposed to be all peace and love and shiat?

/Liberals confuse me.


I'll bite, for the sake of the audience. No, California is not a liberal paradise. San Francisco is extremely liberal. Everywhere the other major cities are moderate. NorCal is libertarian. Virtually anywhere more than 50 miles inland may as well be Kansas. Orange County (in which Anaheim is located) is extremely conservative, Christian, and they have a lot of money.

From the wiki:
It is known for its affluence and political conservatism - a 2005 academic study listed three Orange County cities as being among America's 25 "most conservative," making it one of two counties in the country containing more than one such city (Maricopa County, Arizona also has three cities on the list).

My mom is one of those conservative Christians from the southern midwest who thinks that California is entirely reflective of what she hears in church about San Francisco. She told me I need to move back to the midwest because God's wrath is causing earthquakes. The irony of tornadoes seemed to be lost on her.
 
2012-07-31 10:03:04 PM  

404 page not found: The Supreme Court ruled 8-1 in favor of WBC (Snyder v Phelps). Well, they actually ruled in favor of free speech. Why should it matter if they are 15-20 people or 2,000?



It doesn't. But WBC doesn't block walkways and disturb the peace.

That's the whole point. Would you be okay with WBC causing civil disobedience?
 
2012-07-31 10:12:58 PM  

Corvus: s2s2s2: Corvus: Just because you were wronged doesn't make it ok to be violent and harm others.

Just because some brown guy runs when approached by police doesn't make it ok for them to shoot him in the back, then again, then rubber bullet a crowd of women and children, try to buy up the evidence, then posture that they will catch the wrongdoers, when they are the wrongdoers.

NO ONE SAID IT IS. HOLY shiat GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!


Where were we saying that is ok?!?!? WE NEVER DID!

NO ONE WAS SAYING THE POLICE SHOOTING WAS OK.

NO ONE WAS SAYING THE POLICE SHOOTING WAS OK.

NO ONE WAS SAYING THE POLICE SHOOTING WAS OK.

NO ONE WAS SAYING THE POLICE SHOOTING WAS OK.

NO ONE WAS SAYING THE POLICE SHOOTING WAS OK.


How many times does this need to be explained to you until you stop pretending that's what people are saying.


Look, I'm sorry that it's inexpedient to say what you believe. No need to get all pissy about it.
 
2012-07-31 10:55:09 PM  

Mrbogey: 404 page not found: The Supreme Court ruled 8-1 in favor of WBC (Snyder v Phelps). Well, they actually ruled in favor of free speech. Why should it matter if they are 15-20 people or 2,000?


It doesn't. But WBC doesn't block walkways and disturb the peace.

That's the whole point. Would you be okay with WBC causing civil disobedience?


3.bp.blogspot.com
Some men just want to watch the world burn?

 
2012-08-01 12:10:34 AM  

404 page not found: Mrbogey: 404 page not found: The Supreme Court ruled 8-1 in favor of WBC (Snyder v Phelps). Well, they actually ruled in favor of free speech. Why should it matter if they are 15-20 people or 2,000?


It doesn't. But WBC doesn't block walkways and disturb the peace.

That's the whole point. Would you be okay with WBC causing civil disobedience?

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 271x326]
Some men just want to watch the world burn?


Is your argument really that the US gov't is essentially broken and there is no civil recourse to fixing it? Because if you're going to compare the British occupation of India to the American legal system, you've got a tough case to prove.
 
2012-08-01 12:20:45 AM  

Mrbogey: Is your argument really that the US gov't is essentially broken and there is no civil recourse to fixing it?


no
 
2012-08-01 12:45:55 AM  

xalres: I'd just like to make a clarification. Anaheim is North Orange County, which is nothing at all like the rich white fenced in planned community enclaves you'll find in South Orange County. I live in a part of Anaheim that would make the South County richers shiat their pants in fear, what with all the unsavory dark and ethnic types walking around.

\just sick of people hearing you live in orange county and immediately linking you with the shiatheads on Real Housewives



That's the point, man. The police are paid by the super rich white people to keep you all in line.
 
2012-08-01 02:49:38 PM  

RobotSpider: When did we start drawing distinction between camo and military camo? Camo is just camo. Yes, the military uses it, but they also wear pants. Should we refer to every pair of dockers as "military pants"? Hunters also wear it. Does that make hunters "private contractors"? If they had warn black jumpsuits, they'd have been called "paramilitary outfits". If they'd warn uniforms, it would have been called "military uniforms".


"Worn".
 
2012-08-02 05:27:13 AM  
My .02

Disclosure: I'm a cop in a medium sized town. We have one (very old) single shot gas launcher somewhere in the back of the arms room. I've never seen it come out. We've had protests in town but never one that promised violence or vandalism. We have a SWAT team (volunteers who work a regular position till they're needed) They get surplussed army BDUs which, being former military I think look a little silly and out of place, but they do the job and they're free so what the hell.

Like most departments prior to the North Hollywood shootout and a few other high profile events with armored, rifle wielding nutjobs we had shotguns and pistols with a few long guns kept back at the station. Since we're expected to protect the unarmed populace from such as these the department started buying ARs. Like most smaller departments we're on a budget and can't afford to issue a rifle to every officer. We have "shared" rifles with sights zeroed to a compromise. A few of us (me included) wanted a bit more confidence in where our bullets were going and purchased our own rifles so we could have a gun zeroed to us. As it is I know most of the bangers in my town have (or have access to) guns that my vest won't stop (I bought a bigger trauma plate out of pocket as some extra insurance) Though if one really wanted to get me a scoped hunting rifle and a little patience waiting for me to come to work would do the trick. We confiscate surplussed AKs and SKSs all the time,usually stolen (get a safe for your guns BTW).

Redneck jokes aside I've encountered dozens of folks with personal arsenals that dwarf what we have, some of them it seems that's all the spend their money on. The cops are, historically, the ones playing catch-up in this arms race; revolvers to autos, lever action Winchesters to ARs and Mini-14s (you laugh but at least one large agency in my area carried both till the early 80s)

Within the department there are old timers who think we should always have a tie and wear an eight-point hat (but who can also remember a time when firehoses and dogs were routine for crowd control and a sap to the head was perfectly reasonable for someone getting "mouthy") and younger officers who prefer a ballcap and open collar. Most officers prefer the boots over the shoes for the ankle support as, over the years, the duty load went from a pistol and cuffs to 20 or so pounds of vest, gun, cuffs, taser, baton, etc.

Just from my own experience, which is far from all encompassing, the folks in my town want me to show up promptly when they call for help, listen to their problem and do my best to help (be it a burglary or an a**hole neighbor), and treat them with common courtesy. As long as I'm doing that they don't seem to care what my uniform looks like, though frankly you'll never catch me on patrol in camo of any pattern. I've no "quota" for tickets, no disdain for any particular ethnicity, no plan for subjugating the masses, I wasn't a bully in school nor was I particularity bullied. I encounter a**holes who share my profession but with much less frequency than in the jobs I worked prior. If I get to get some folks their stuff back, catch some folks who hurt people, and receive an even number of "thank you officers" to "f*ck you pigs" I'm content.
 
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