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Boudica's War Tampon		2012-07-31 10:27:49 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Fark It: vygramul: That's not a grenade launcher.

M32 MGL

Neat, that thing can take HEAT rounds.

With an effective range of up to 1000 meters. These people travel together and you can't get close. They're either military or Jersey girls.

heap		2012-07-31 10:28:22 AM

RangerTaylor: You win heap, I'm a big pussy I guess.

again, you called the cops to yell at kids on your lawn.

that's on you, not the rest of the world, or me specifically.

xalres		2012-07-31 10:29:37 AM

I'd just like to make a clarification. Anaheim is North Orange County, which is nothing at all like the rich white fenced in planned community enclaves you'll find in South Orange County. I live in a part of Anaheim that would make the South County richers shiat their pants in fear, what with all the unsavory dark and ethnic types walking around.

\just sick of people hearing you live in orange county and immediately linking you with the shiatheads on Real Housewives

RangerTaylor		2012-07-31 10:31:51 AM

heap: RangerTaylor: You win heap, I'm a big pussy I guess.

again, you called the cops to yell at kids on your lawn.

that's on you, not the rest of the world, or me specifically.

OK, like I said, you win, I am the bad person here. You can have the last word though, because I'm sure it's important to you.

Lee Jackson Beauregard		2012-07-31 10:33:00 AM

Gyrfalcon: I'm not sure who's douchier, the cops, or the protestors who decided to exact their anger against the Anaheim PD by demonstrating at Disneyland.

"We're pissed the cops shot a guy in the back, but now we're going to DISNEYLAND!"

Perhaps they just flipped off President George.

youmightberight		2012-07-31 10:34:47 AM

The Homer Tax: RangerTaylor: I think police are a good and vital thing, but the bad ones simply have the potential to be very bad.

Don't worry, I know you called the cops because your wife made you. I'm married with a small child as well, I know how it goes.

That said, the real point is that while the vast majority of cops might be great, it only takes one bad one to ruin or end your life forever. Thank god you didn't answer the door holding a gun like that one guy from last week. Cops treat every encounter with civilians like it could be one that would result in their death, civilians would be wise to treat every encounter with cops the same.

If you don't it just might be. Also sucks when they raid the wrong house. Oops

syberpud		2012-07-31 10:37:00 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Godscrack: There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear

I think it's becoming more clear every day

/the question is how can we stop it?

By not voting for candidates promising to be "tough on crime". Getting involved to stop the militarization of the police. Making sure your local city cops don't waste money on military grade stuff like armored cars and other DHS gear they won't need. Proposing laws to impose liability on "no-knock" raids that target the wrong house.

Lots of stuff to do, or we could just whine on Fark like I'm doing.

The Homer Tax		2012-07-31 10:38:55 AM

RangerTaylor: You can have the last word though, because I'm sure it's important to you.

I'm calling you out on this, because it's a tactic that I use.

Inviting someone else to have the last word is a back-door attempt at getting the last word in because you are trying to shame someone into not responding (therefore you get the last word).

I call shenanigans, everyone grab their brooms.

xalres		2012-07-31 10:39:28 AM

youmightberight: The Homer Tax: RangerTaylor: I think police are a good and vital thing, but the bad ones simply have the potential to be very bad.

Don't worry, I know you called the cops because your wife made you. I'm married with a small child as well, I know how it goes.

That said, the real point is that while the vast majority of cops might be great, it only takes one bad one to ruin or end your life forever. Thank god you didn't answer the door holding a gun like that one guy from last week. Cops treat every encounter with civilians like it could be one that would result in their death, civilians would be wise to treat every encounter with cops the same.

If you don't it just might be. Also sucks when they raid the wrong house. Oops

No no, everything is okay with that case because the cops called "backsies" and "our bad". So everything's cool.

sprawl15		2012-07-31 10:40:15 AM

I love how the video at the bottom says "This video of police shooting rubber bullets into crowd of women and children as well as unleashing a dog that attacked a women holding her baby", when the video is police using paintball markers/beanbag rounds and a dog attacking a man with police trying to pull the dog off.

Then again, looking at some of this sucky blogger's other posts, he appears to be a conspiracy nutball:

Here's a RESEARCH TOOL FOR YOU TO USE. You will find a lot of information about Dan Quayle and Cerebrus, a huge private equity firm that owns A LOT of Military Industrial Complex entities. You can use it to track people and companies:

4+ Favorite Research Tools Other Than The Google - Enjoy!

This is dismaying. I spent hours breaking down this Directive for you, stripping out and presenting those parts that pertain to Civil Unrest.

True story, a black helicopter flew directly over my house which is common here and, when I saved and previewed this draft, everything in the Extended (Optional) section disappeared and all the information in the Introduction had been copy/pasted in its place. I DID NOT DO ANYTHING to cause this to happen.

RanDomino		2012-07-31 10:40:53 AM

I don't know what's going on in this thread, so here's a cop on fire
www.washingtonpost.com

xalres		2012-07-31 10:42:31 AM

RanDomino: I don't know what's going on in this thread, so here's a cop on fire
[www.washingtonpost.com image 606x432]

"Dammit Jerry, put the farking Boone's Farms down and help me!"

qorkfiend		2012-07-31 10:42:58 AM

sprawl15: I love how the video at the bottom says "This video of police shooting rubber bullets into crowd of women and children as well as unleashing a dog that attacked a women holding her baby", when the video is police using paintball markers/beanbag rounds and a dog attacking a man with police trying to pull the dog off.

Then again, looking at some of this sucky blogger's other posts, he appears to be a conspiracy nutball:
Here's a RESEARCH TOOL FOR YOU TO USE. You will find a lot of information about Dan Quayle and Cerebrus, a huge private equity firm that owns A LOT of Military Industrial Complex entities. You can use it to track people and companies:

4+ Favorite Research Tools Other Than The Google - Enjoy!

This is dismaying. I spent hours breaking down this Directive for you, stripping out and presenting those parts that pertain to Civil Unrest.

True story, a black helicopter flew directly over my house which is common here and, when I saved and previewed this draft, everything in the Extended (Optional) section disappeared and all the information in the Introduction had been copy/pasted in its place. I DID NOT DO ANYTHING to cause this to happen.

He sounds like a well-adjusted and decidedly not paranoid individual.

heap		2012-07-31 10:43:33 AM

RangerTaylor: heap: RangerTaylor: You win heap, I'm a big pussy I guess.

again, you called the cops to yell at kids on your lawn.

that's on you, not the rest of the world, or me specifically.

OK, like I said, you win, I am the bad person here. You can have the last word though, because I'm sure it's important to you.

ya know, when somebody says you're uptight, you don't have to bend over backwards to be the very stereotype of uptight.

it's not in the bylaws, or anything.

RangerTaylor		2012-07-31 10:43:51 AM

The Homer Tax: RangerTaylor: You can have the last word though, because I'm sure it's important to you.

I'm calling you out on this, because it's a tactic that I use.

Inviting someone else to have the last word is a back-door attempt at getting the last word in because you are trying to shame someone into not responding (therefore you get the last word).

I call shenanigans, everyone grab their brooms.

Damn you. Figured me out perfectly. How am I supposed to use cheap debate tricks if you're going to call me on it!

/I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids!

LasersHurt		2012-07-31 10:44:05 AM

RanDomino: I don't know what's going on in this thread, so here's a cop on fire
[www.washingtonpost.com image 606x432]

That stuff is always where I part ways with any protest group. FFS, you just lit a man on fire. Every point you're trying to make is invalid now.

sprawl15		2012-07-31 10:46:35 AM

qorkfiend: He sounds like a well-adjusted and decidedly not paranoid individual.

LOOK AT THESE ANAHEIM PIGTHUGS OUTSIDE DISNEYLAND:

img507.imageshack.us

THOSE ARE THE MOST MILITARY AK-47S I HAVE SEEN SINCE DAN QUAYLE

Maud Dib		2012-07-31 10:48:59 AM

Epoch_Zero		2012-07-31 10:50:33 AM

LasersHurt: RanDomino: I don't know what's going on in this thread, so here's a cop on fire
[www.washingtonpost.com image 606x432]

That stuff is always where I part ways with any protest group. FFS, you just lit a man on fire. Every point you're trying to make is invalid now.

Second.

palelizard		2012-07-31 10:54:20 AM

RangerTaylor: Damn you. Figured me out perfectly. How am I supposed to use cheap debate tricks if you're going to call me on it!

/I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids!

Well, you could call the police on them.

Epoch_Zero		2012-07-31 10:56:33 AM

sprawl15: qorkfiend: He sounds like a well-adjusted and decidedly not paranoid individual.

LOOK AT THESE ANAHEIM PIGTHUGS OUTSIDE DISNEYLAND:

[img507.imageshack.us image 500x264]

THOSE ARE THE MOST MILITARY AK-47S I HAVE SEEN SINCE DAN QUAYLE

Look at these guys I saw outside of a protest in City 17.

gamerlimit.com

I threw an empty can at him and he beat me several times.

RangerTaylor		2012-07-31 10:57:27 AM

Sigh, OK, ya got me. This thread has apparently turned me into the oldest, crotchetiest 30-year old liberal there is. I don't really know how it happened.

mrshowrules		2012-07-31 11:01:35 AM

Relatively Obscure: Isn't that a tear gas launcher thingamajigger?

It is either/both. Depends what you load it with. In this case it is a riot gun likely loaded with flashbangs or tear gas.

Headso		2012-07-31 11:02:55 AM

RangerTaylor: Sigh, OK, ya got me. This thread has apparently turned me into the oldest, crotchetiest 30-year old liberal there is. I don't really know how it happened.

I only read part of the posts but if you live in an area where crime is occurring and you hear people on your property at 4am it doesn't seem unreasonable to call the cops.

friday13		2012-07-31 11:04:03 AM

Corvus: 404 page not found: Corvus: 404 page not found: Is that the "military" or not? Or are you going to keep dodging this?

I don't fnckin know and neither do you! And no, I'm not the fncking subtard!

Umm the article says they are police:

It's Happened: Paramilitary Police vs Civilians in Anaheim

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 492x500]

Notice the word "police"?

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 500x445]

Notice the word "swat"?

Hmm why would I assume they are police... except for the article stating it 3 times?

But you and subby want to jump to the conclusion it's martial law. I think that is bit of hyperbole.

Please provide a citation that I concluded it is martial laaaaOOOOOOHHHHH You dick! You got me. Bravo, sir. Bravo.

Headline:

Just some pictures of the military in full camo and carrying grenade launchers in the war torn area known as Anaheim

Do you believe this statement or not? Or do you agree the submitter is lying and using hyperbole or are you saying it is the military not the police??

Lighten up, Francis.

Boudica's War Tampon		2012-07-31 11:06:28 AM

Fark It: vygramul: That's not a grenade launcher.

M32 MGL

Two "product improved" variants were introduced in 2004 by Milkor USA. The first is the Mk 1S, which replaces the aluminum frame of the Mk 1 with a stronger stainless steel body, a conventional trigger unit, and Picatinny rail support at the top, sides and bottom of the forend. The second variant is the MGL-140 or Mk 1L, with the same features as the Mk 1S, but with a 140 mm (5.5 in) long cylinder to fit special-purpose grenades such as tear gas canisters and less-lethal impact rounds that are too long to fit in the other models shorter cylinder. The MGL-140/Mk 1L also features a sliding buttstock.

The little farkers have the best toys on the block.

palelizard		2012-07-31 11:08:26 AM

Headso: RangerTaylor: Sigh, OK, ya got me. This thread has apparently turned me into the oldest, crotchetiest 30-year old liberal there is. I don't really know how it happened.

I only read part of the posts but if you live in an area where crime is occurring and you hear people on your property at 4am it doesn't seem unreasonable to call the cops.

It really isn't unreasonable, but that should not stand in the way of a good taunting.

sirgrim		2012-07-31 11:09:13 AM

I watch CNN/MSNBC almost constantly for work and a side gig. I haven't seen this mentioned ONCE. That's more concerning than anything else about it.

OmniView		2012-07-31 11:11:23 AM

A good gun law would prevent this sort of thing. If people don't have guns Rambo wouldn't have to show up.

imontheinternet		2012-07-31 11:11:27 AM

RangerTaylor: Sigh, OK, ya got me. This thread has apparently turned me into the oldest, crotchetiest 30-year old liberal there is. I don't really know how it happened.

I took a shot at you earlier, but to be fair, I woke up at ~3am one morning to the sound of voices outside my bedroom window. I went tearing outside in my drawers, screaming and waving a shotgun around, so your response was probably better than mine.

I, too, am a crotchety, old 30something liberal.

illegal.tender		2012-07-31 11:14:38 AM

sirgrim: I watch CNN/MSNBC almost constantly for work and a side gig. I haven't seen this mentioned ONCE. That's more concerning than anything else about it.

The corporate media willfully covering up domestic insurrection?

Ya don't say.

HotIgneous Intruder		2012-07-31 11:15:12 AM

It's time we disarmed the cops.

sprawl15		2012-07-31 11:16:04 AM

OmniView: A good gun law would prevent this sort of thing. If people don't have guns Rambo wouldn't have to show up.

Rambo stole his guns.

burndtdan		2012-07-31 11:18:26 AM

RobotSpider: When did we start drawing distinction between camo and military camo? Camo is just camo. Yes, the military uses it, but they also wear pants. Should we refer to every pair of dockers as "military pants"? Hunters also wear it. Does that make hunters "private contractors"? If they had warn black jumpsuits, they'd have been called "paramilitary outfits". If they'd warn uniforms, it would have been called "military uniforms".

I think the distinction here is that this particular type of camo is what is actively being used by our military in Iraq and Afghanistan. That along with the fact that the officers (or whatever) in question don't seem to be in a desert combat situation, so they are clearly not using it to blend into the background. They are using it to strike a particular image.

sprawl15		2012-07-31 11:19:43 AM

burndtdan: I think the distinction here is that this particular type of camo is what is actively being used by our military in Iraq and Afghanistan.

What camo coloring scheme would be appropriate for Disneyland?

Giltric		2012-07-31 11:21:36 AM

burndtdan: RobotSpider: When did we start drawing distinction between camo and military camo? Camo is just camo. Yes, the military uses it, but they also wear pants. Should we refer to every pair of dockers as "military pants"? Hunters also wear it. Does that make hunters "private contractors"? If they had warn black jumpsuits, they'd have been called "paramilitary outfits". If they'd warn uniforms, it would have been called "military uniforms".

I think the distinction here is that this particular type of camo is what is actively being used by our military in Iraq and Afghanistan. That along with the fact that the officers (or whatever) in question don't seem to be in a desert combat situation, so they are clearly not using it to blend into the background. They are using it to strike a particular image.

Thats Multi-Cam. Not desert camo.

/nuance

kapaso		2012-07-31 11:23:06 AM

Corvus: libranoelrose: Corvus: 404 page not found: dookdookdook: Dokushin: You're right -- police officers are clearly the most trustworthy element of society and should be entrusted with exclusive rights to firearms due to that high standard.

Hardly. But the solution is to de-militarize the police, not fill your basement full of ammo.

The police have a combined budget in the billions. Your average redneck militia loon has a budget of whatever a Jiffy Lube mechanic makes. It's an arms race you just aren't going to win.

I'm not so sure about that. According to Alex Jones, James Holmes spent $20,000 on an AR-15, a Remington 870, and two 40 caliber Glocks. That's just one guy. And that adds up, let me tell you.

So now you think it was the police? but wait, I thought it was the military like you have been defending retardsubmitter.

Amazing how that works.

[i.imgur.com image 573x860]

Yeah you would think the words "POLICE " on their jacket would be a give away but 404 page not found must have problem reading long words like that.

The police are doing everything they can to look and act like the military. The police obviously want to be perceived as a military force. Of course when a police force starts militerizing for all intents and purposes they are military. Do you think they will react differently because their paycheck isn't from the army?
They look like soldiers, they act like soldiers that's all that matters.

erveek		2012-07-31 11:23:26 AM

vygramul: Fark It: vygramul: That's not a grenade launcher.

M32 MGL

Aaaaaand there it is.

It launches grenades. It's clearly a pea shooter.

mekki		2012-07-31 11:23:59 AM

A Dark Evil Omen: Solidarity with our comrades in Anaheim. Hope everyone gets home safe and in one piece.

/FTP

Fark the so called "protesters." Only a small percentage of them are there to protest the shooting. The rest are looters and anarchists, vultures looking for an oppurtunity to steal and/or destroy everything under the disguise of "protesting."

When you start terrorizing the locals, like this actual innocent group who hid under a bar at Starbucks, to get away from "protesters" who had smashed the windows and were looting the place, you lose any sympathy I had for your cause because you don't give a flip about your cause. So, why should I?

endthelie.com

You know the reason why they are protesting at Disneyland isn't because of the shooting. It's to get a chance to destroy Disneyland.

illegal.tender		2012-07-31 11:27:38 AM

mekki: A Dark Evil Omen: Solidarity with our comrades in Anaheim. Hope everyone gets home safe and in one piece.

/FTP

Fark the so called "protesters." Only a small percentage of them are there to protest the shooting. The rest are looters and anarchists, vultures looking for an oppurtunity to steal and/or destroy everything under the disguise of "protesting."

When you start terrorizing the locals, like this actual innocent group who hid under a bar at Starbucks, to get away from "protesters" who had smashed the windows and were looting the place, you lose any sympathy I had for your cause because you don't give a flip about your cause. So, why should I?

[endthelie.com image 640x408]

You know the reason why they are protesting at Disneyland isn't because of the shooting. It's to get a chance to destroy Disneyland.

Yeah, it wouldn't have anything to do with years and years of the police killing and beating and wrongfully imprisoning the people. It wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that the poor are barely feeding themselves while the CEOs make $15mil/yr at a 15% taxable rate. It wouldn't have anything to do with any legitimate issue, any injustice which demands retribution from free men. No. It's just them wanting free shiat and lashing out at Disneyland.

fark you. fark. You.

newton		2012-07-31 11:32:07 AM

Giltric: Remember the outrage when the actual military showed up at that house in Waco?

Video of tank spitting fire into the compound, Courtesy of Bill Hicks. He made me watch it, He tagged it onto one of his VHS tapes back in the day.

Giltric		2012-07-31 11:32:24 AM

sprawl15: burndtdan: I think the distinction here is that this particular type of camo is what is actively being used by our military in Iraq and Afghanistan.

What camo coloring scheme would be appropriate for Disneyland?

Probably something in an overland snow pattern to hide amongst the white people.

sprawl15		2012-07-31 11:35:03 AM

illegal.tender: Yeah, it wouldn't have anything to do with years and years of the police killing and beating and wrongfully imprisoning the people.

...are the police secretly HQ'd at Disneyland? Is there a nearby mountain with a bushy mustache and aviators from whence the SWAT teams operate?

Giltric: Probably something in an overland snow pattern to hide amongst the white people.

In that case, the desert camo is appropriate considering the volume of Asian tourists.

mekki		2012-07-31 11:36:48 AM

illegal.tender: mekki: A Dark Evil Omen: Solidarity with our comrades in Anaheim. Hope everyone gets home safe and in one piece.

/FTP

Fark the so called "protesters." Only a small percentage of them are there to protest the shooting. The rest are looters and anarchists, vultures looking for an oppurtunity to steal and/or destroy everything under the disguise of "protesting."

When you start terrorizing the locals, like this actual innocent group who hid under a bar at Starbucks, to get away from "protesters" who had smashed the windows and were looting the place, you lose any sympathy I had for your cause because you don't give a flip about your cause. So, why should I?

[endthelie.com image 640x408]

You know the reason why they are protesting at Disneyland isn't because of the shooting. It's to get a chance to destroy Disneyland.

Yeah, it wouldn't have anything to do with years and years of the police killing and beating and wrongfully imprisoning the people. It wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that the poor are barely feeding themselves while the CEOs make $15mil/yr at a 15% taxable rate. It wouldn't have anything to do with any legitimate issue, any injustice which demands retribution from free men. No. It's just them wanting free shiat and lashing out at Disneyland.

fark you. fark. You.

And we should let people get to do whatever they want because of that? Destroy local businesses. Terrorize and beat up citizens. Set everything ablaze? Because why? An eye for an eye?

If you think that's how the world should work, you're nuts.

BeesNuts		2012-07-31 11:38:05 AM

ozarkmatt: 404 page not found: It's never too late to go back and finish, Matthew.

Oh, I finished. Then discovered the computer and graphic design and kinda pretty much checked out of the rest of the whole PC thing.

I have dipped my toe into the Politics tab pool in the past, but I guess I don't know how it works here to actually join in.

Again, sorry everybody. I was hoping for some sort of explanation, but I guess by the responses I got the explaining I'm gonna get. That is cool. Obviously, I hit a raw nerve.

Carry on.

"another young man of color has been gunned down." is intentionally reminiscent of the 60s and 70s, which KOS fancies us reliving these days. I see a lot of what they see, and come to a lot of the same conclusions, only tempered with an air of pragmatic apathy. That phrase was specifically chosen to get the reader to recall the times when racial tensions led to serious, continuous, nationwide violence.

Take a look around KOS and you'll see the revolutionary trappings all over the place. It's like the black panthers, code pink, the brady campaign and "The Gay Agenda" all met one day back in the mid 2000's and realized how much they had in common.

A little extreme. Sure. A little inflammatory. yep. Mostly accurate? A discerning reader will learn plenty from the site.

sprawl15		2012-07-31 11:39:11 AM

mekki: And we should let people get to do whatever they want because of that? Destroy local businesses. Terrorize and beat up citizens. Set everything ablaze? Because why? An eye for an eye?

Were I pissed off at the police, I would imagine I would try to break windows at a police station instead of a Starbucks. Starbucks doesn't even serve donuts, I don't get the farking point.

heap		2012-07-31 11:40:53 AM

imontheinternet: I took a shot at you earlier, but to be fair, I woke up at ~3am one morning to the sound of voices outside my bedroom window. I went tearing outside in my drawers, screaming and waving a shotgun around, so your response was probably better than mine.

I, too, am a crotchety, old 30something liberal.

what's important is that you do it in your underwear.

4am altercations on your lawn are one of the few acceptable social interactions you can have in your grunders, and it happens right at your doorstep.

these aren't problems, people. they're opportunities.

bigbadideasinaction		2012-07-31 11:42:26 AM

The Gentleman Caller: See, however looney and insane the 2nd amendment crowd is, this is why I can't fully support harsh gun laws. I see stuff like this and I think "occupation".

You're forgetting a key part to just about every despotic rule isn't killing off the armed civilians, it's using a good chunk of them as your unofficial muscle.

The Tea Party/Militia bunch won't be rounded up and put into camps, they'll be convinced by the despot that they need to go shoot all those evil Liberals before they put on their UN uniforms and take over the country.

In other words, the gun nuts won't be the resistance, they'll be the Basiji.

Headso		2012-07-31 11:47:28 AM

I think people romanticizing civil unrest and violence shouldn't be but the people acting like civil unrest and violence doesn't move an agenda and change policy mixed with a bit of "I never!" are being more naive than the romanticizers.

A Dark Evil Omen		2012-07-31 11:50:03 AM

mekki: And we should let people get to do whatever they want because of that? Destroy local businesses. Terrorize and beat up citizens. Set everything ablaze? Because why? An eye for an eye?

If you think that's how the world should work, you're nuts.

Because that is totally what's happening and not a giant tale spun up to get exactly the kind of pants-shiatting response you're giving.

I guess whatever fantasies you need to tell yourself to justify continued militarization of the state. Pretty sweet gig if you can get it, I guess: Murder some people, assault others and parlay the results into even bigger budgets and people even more willing to suck up to you.

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