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2012-07-31 03:25:45 AM  

Sabyen91:

I would load a giant poop in it and call it a poop launcher.


And if someone took a picture of you doing it and described that picture as "Sabyen91 carrying a poop launcher" it would be accurate. If they described it as a grenade launcher when it was loaded with poop, it would be completely inaccurate.
 
2012-07-31 03:25:51 AM  

Nobodyn0se: I can't answer for him, but I would say that calling the weapon that is OBVIOUSLY a tear gas launcher a "grenade launcher" in the article is at least hyperbole, and at worst a lie.


And claiming that an obvious* grenade launcher that fires HE and HEAT in addition to tear gas grenades is not a grenade launcher is a bald-faced lie.

*And clearly identified upthread.
 
2012-07-31 03:26:25 AM  

Nobodyn0se: The headline is very obviously wrong


OH NOES! Someone alert the MODS. The headline is very obviously wrong! Now we see the violence inherent in the system!
 
2012-07-31 03:26:30 AM  
Well, if corporations are people and Blackwater is a corporation allowed to own military weapons, then I should be allowed to buy whatever the hell i want without legal ramifications.
 
2012-07-31 03:26:41 AM  

Nobodyn0se: Sabyen91:

ScreamingHangover does think it is a grenade launcher. Stupid, sure...

Which I just don't get. The fact that it CAN be loaded with something doesn't mean it IS that thing, especially when we have ample evidence that it's NOT that thing in the evidence provided.

As I said earlier, it's like calling Tomahawk cruise missiles "nuclear weapons" just because they CAN be loaded with nuclear warheads.


So if a shotgun is loaded with bean bag rounds instead of shotgun shells it isn't a shotgun anymore? It is now a beanbag launcher?
 
2012-07-31 03:27:08 AM  
i say shoot the americans that want to riot

i mean its messed up that the people are pissed at the cops for shooting a gang banger
that fired at the police
 
2012-07-31 03:27:50 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Nobodyn0se: I can't answer for him, but I would say that calling the weapon that is OBVIOUSLY a tear gas launcher a "grenade launcher" in the article is at least hyperbole, and at worst a lie.

And claiming that an obvious* grenade launcher that fires HE and HEAT in addition to tear gas grenades is not a grenade launcher is a bald-faced lie.

*And clearly identified upthread.


And calling it a grenade launcher when it is OBVIOUSLY loaded with tear gas canisters is also a bald faced lie.
 
2012-07-31 03:28:14 AM  

ZipSplat: ...are you responding to me or just venting? I'm not sure I see how your response is relevant.


I meant that you can't look at our "winning" or lack thereof in Afghanistan as relative to other instances in which poorly equipped natives have or have not been able to fight off a well-armed invading force. Afghanistan is kind of the exception to the rule.

And then I started venting. Sorry about that.
 
2012-07-31 03:28:27 AM  

404 page not found:

I suppose you'll take this personal, but I'll answer your question as soon as submitter outs himself. For all I know, you're the submitter and I'll be goddamned if I get trolled this hard by some piece-of-shiat submitter linking to HuffPo. Go fark yourself.

/or else you're a modmin on a mission
//in that case, good day sir


You did exactly what I said you would do. Thanks for proving me right:

Corvus: Your trying to tell us Obama called this in on the US military? That it isn't the police? Want to bet on that? Or are you going to now change the subject or run away?


When I called you out you ran scared like a baby. Gave me a nice laugh.
 
2012-07-31 03:28:40 AM  

ongbok: Nobodyn0se: Sabyen91:

ScreamingHangover does think it is a grenade launcher. Stupid, sure...

Which I just don't get. The fact that it CAN be loaded with something doesn't mean it IS that thing, especially when we have ample evidence that it's NOT that thing in the evidence provided.

As I said earlier, it's like calling Tomahawk cruise missiles "nuclear weapons" just because they CAN be loaded with nuclear warheads.

So if a shotgun is loaded with bean bag rounds instead of shotgun shells it isn't a shotgun anymore? It is now a beanbag launcher?


You just don't get it, do you?

THE HEADLINE IS VERY OBVIOUSLY WRONG :'(
 
2012-07-31 03:28:49 AM  
I no longer have the slightest respect for police officers. They kill innocent people at night in their own homes. They kill unarmed suspects. They dress up in military camo at protests for the unarmed people they've killed. Fark the police in this country. I have no more respect for a cop that I would for a gang member.
 
2012-07-31 03:29:15 AM  

Nobodyn0se: ScreamingHangover:

Actually, it is a grenade launcher. It can launch tear gas grenades, but that doesn't stop the fact it's a grenade launcher.

Actually, it's a tear gas launcher. It can launch grenades, but that doesn't stop the fact that it's a tear gas launcher.

Also, nobody in their right mind believes that thing is loaded with grenades. They're the police, not the 82nd airborne.


I believe quite correctly that it is loaded with only tear gas grenades, and that the officer only has tear gas grenades.
However, it's still a grenade launcher. I haven't fired that particular model, but I have fired the M203 and M79 single shot models (I just dated myself). There are a plethora of various rounds that can be used: tear gas, high explosive, fragmentation, phosphorous, white smoke, event buckshot.
 
2012-07-31 03:29:18 AM  

ongbok: Nobodyn0se: Sabyen91:

ScreamingHangover does think it is a grenade launcher. Stupid, sure...

Which I just don't get. The fact that it CAN be loaded with something doesn't mean it IS that thing, especially when we have ample evidence that it's NOT that thing in the evidence provided.

As I said earlier, it's like calling Tomahawk cruise missiles "nuclear weapons" just because they CAN be loaded with nuclear warheads.

So if a shotgun is loaded with bean bag rounds instead of shotgun shells it isn't a shotgun anymore? It is now a beanbag launcher?


For the duration that it's loaded with bean bag rounds, yes. Calling it a shotgun without clearly identifying that it is loaded with bean bag rounds would violate the standards of journalistic integrity.
 
2012-07-31 03:29:27 AM  
You guys are freaking out.
 
2012-07-31 03:29:58 AM  

Need_MindBleach: I no longer have the slightest respect for police officers. They kill innocent people at night in their own homes. They kill unarmed suspects. They dress up in military camo at protests for the unarmed people they've killed. Fark the police in this country. I have no more respect for a cop that I would for a gang member.


you must be african american or latino
 
2012-07-31 03:30:20 AM  

404 page not found: Nobodyn0se: The headline is very obviously wrong

OH NOES! Someone alert the MODS. The headline is very obviously wrong! Now we see the violence inherent in the system!


OMG SOMEONE'S PICKING ON THE SUBMITTER ALERT THE MODS!!! WAHHH!

Submitter is wrong. Or are you saying it is the military? or are you being a pussy still like you have been the entire thread?
 
2012-07-31 03:30:25 AM  

ongbok: Nobodyn0se: Sabyen91:

ScreamingHangover does think it is a grenade launcher. Stupid, sure...

Which I just don't get. The fact that it CAN be loaded with something doesn't mean it IS that thing, especially when we have ample evidence that it's NOT that thing in the evidence provided.

As I said earlier, it's like calling Tomahawk cruise missiles "nuclear weapons" just because they CAN be loaded with nuclear warheads.

So if a shotgun is loaded with bean bag rounds instead of shotgun shells it isn't a shotgun anymore? It is now a beanbag launcher?


Don't sweat it: It the same "logic" that declares,"When you load a 40mm grenade launcher with tear gas grenades, it's not a grenade launcher."
 
2012-07-31 03:30:49 AM  
Also, it's a grenade launcher. But who the fark cares? That's just its name. Here it is being implemented to launch tear gas. I highly doubt that anyone there has any HE or multi-purpose rounds on them, so why does it farking matter that the weapon being used to launch tear gas can also be used to launch grenades? It's just conforming to a standard for cannister-shaped projectile launching.
 
2012-07-31 03:31:09 AM  

ScreamingHangover:

I believe quite correctly that it is loaded with only tear gas grenades, and that the officer only has tear gas grenades.
However, it's still a grenade launcher.


But don't you see how calling it a "grenade launcher" when it is obviously being used in the context in question as a tear gas launcher is misleading to the less informed people consuming this particular piece of media?
 
2012-07-31 03:31:59 AM  

404 page not found: Nobodyn0se: The headline is very obviously wrong

OH NOES! Someone alert the MODS. The headline is very obviously wrong! Now we see the violence inherent in the system!


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404 page not found: L:EAVE SUBMITTER ALONE!!!!! *SNIFF*
 
2012-07-31 03:32:00 AM  

Corvus: When I called you out you ran scared like a baby. Gave me a nice laugh.


Yes, this is me running away from your very retarded position. And by that I mean you have no position. You want me to defend a HEADLINE? On FARK? Laughable, man. Laughable.

The headline is very obviously wrong :'(
 
2012-07-31 03:32:13 AM  

ZipSplat: I highly doubt that anyone there has any HE or multi-purpose rounds on them, so why does it farking matter that the weapon being used to launch tear gas can also be used to launch grenades? It's just conforming to a standard for cannister-shaped projectile launching.


THIS.
 
2012-07-31 03:32:30 AM  

Nobodyn0se: demaL-demaL-yeH: Nobodyn0se: I can't answer for him, but I would say that calling the weapon that is OBVIOUSLY a tear gas launcher a "grenade launcher" in the article is at least hyperbole, and at worst a lie.

And claiming that an obvious* grenade launcher that fires HE and HEAT in addition to tear gas grenades is not a grenade launcher is a bald-faced lie.

*And clearly identified upthread.

And calling it a grenade launcher when it is OBVIOUSLY loaded with tear gas canisters is also a bald faced lie.


I guess the manufacturer lied when naming it since they named it a MGL, Multiple Grenade Launcher.
 
2012-07-31 03:32:58 AM  
forget about grenade/tear gas launchers, the new bad in town is the dead fetus launcher!
coming through republican camapign office windows near you
/not really though
 
2012-07-31 03:33:19 AM  

Nobodyn0se: ScreamingHangover:

I believe quite correctly that it is loaded with only tear gas grenades, and that the officer only has tear gas grenades.
However, it's still a grenade launcher.

But don't you see how calling it a "grenade launcher" when it is obviously being used in the context in question as a tear gas launcher is misleading to the less informed people consuming this particular piece of media?


It's a farking grenade launcher, used for whatever the fark they want to put in there.
 
2012-07-31 03:33:21 AM  

404 page not found: Corvus: When I called you out you ran scared like a baby. Gave me a nice laugh.

Yes, this is me running away from your very retarded position. And by that I mean you have no position. You want me to defend a HEADLINE? On FARK? Laughable, man. Laughable.

The headline is very obviously wrong :'(


Ok, so we're all agreed that the headline is incorrect to use the term "military" when it should have said "police"?

We can all move on now and discuss the ACTUAL issues involved in the article instead of bickering about semantics?

Ok then. Let's go.
 
2012-07-31 03:33:36 AM  

Corvus: 404 page not found: Nobodyn0se: The headline is very obviously wrong

OH NOES! Someone alert the MODS. The headline is very obviously wrong! Now we see the violence inherent in the system!

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404 page not found: L:EAVE SUBMITTER ALONE!!!!! *SNIFF*


I didn't bring up submitter. You did. Remember that, gramps?
 
2012-07-31 03:33:51 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: ongbok: Nobodyn0se: Sabyen91:

ScreamingHangover does think it is a grenade launcher. Stupid, sure...

Which I just don't get. The fact that it CAN be loaded with something doesn't mean it IS that thing, especially when we have ample evidence that it's NOT that thing in the evidence provided.

As I said earlier, it's like calling Tomahawk cruise missiles "nuclear weapons" just because they CAN be loaded with nuclear warheads.

So if a shotgun is loaded with bean bag rounds instead of shotgun shells it isn't a shotgun anymore? It is now a beanbag launcher?

Don't sweat it: It the same "logic" that declares,"When you load a 40mm grenade launcher with tear gas grenades, it's not a grenade launcher."


Yeah it's semantics. I doubt they had anything other than tear gas "grenades" but I think submitter was being misleading.
 
2012-07-31 03:35:00 AM  

404 page not found: I didn't bring up submitter. You did. Remember that, gramps?


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2012-07-31 03:35:58 AM  

ongbok:

I guess the manufacturer lied when naming it since they named it a MGL, Multiple Grenade Launcher.


dudemanbro:

It's a farking grenade launcher, used for whatever the fark they want to put in there.


And in THIS CASE, in THIS CONTEXT, it is being used as a tear gas launcher, and should be clearly identified as being used as such, in order to be as accurate as possible and retain a semblance of journalistic integrity.
 
2012-07-31 03:35:59 AM  

Corvus: Yeah it's semantics. I doubt they had anything other than tear gas "grenades" but I think submitter was being misleading.


I don't. It's a grenade launcher. At a protest against cops killing unarmed civilians. In Anaheim.
 
2012-07-31 03:36:36 AM  

ZipSplat: The Second Amendment is intended - to the chagrin of a lot of people willing to read it like a gay-hating, foreskin-loving religionist might read the Old Testament - to make the people a viable opponent against invasion and internal oppression.


There are a lot of people in the world who rationalize a lot of horrible crap just by pointing to some ancient document that they say gives them the right to do it.

Ever notice how pretty much no other developed country in the world lets the writings of people who never knew the joys of indoor plumbing paralyze their government's ability to solve important problems?

What's going to happen in the next 240 years?

Better question: What's going to happen in the next 240 years that your average NRA member with a handgun and a couple hunting rifles is going to make a dent in?

The Second Amendment is not yours to give away in 2012 just because Republicans are distasteful.

So I'm not allowed to unilaterally rewrite the constitution to fit my views? Well crap.

I can still biatch about it though, right?

People with appropriate small arms and training can act as a pretty viable deterrent to an aggressive military or police action, and you can really fark them up as well if they decide to not be deterred.

So about how many people are there right now in - let's say - Anaheim who have the proper training and a big enough pile of guns to do anything useful? A few dozen maybe? Yeah, the police are really shaking.
 
2012-07-31 03:37:05 AM  

Nobodyn0se: ScreamingHangover:

I believe quite correctly that it is loaded with only tear gas grenades, and that the officer only has tear gas grenades.
However, it's still a grenade launcher.

But don't you see how calling it a "grenade launcher" when it is obviously being used in the context in question as a tear gas launcher is misleading to the less informed people consuming this particular piece of media?


So are you saying we should selectively edit the truth so that our lessers can digest it "correctly"?
 
2012-07-31 03:37:07 AM  

Nobodyn0se: And in THIS CASE, in THIS CONTEXT, it is being used as a tear gas launcher, and should be clearly identified as being used as such, in order to be as accurate as possible and retain a semblance of journalistic integrity.


But doesn't it launch tear gas grenades?
 
2012-07-31 03:37:55 AM  

Nobodyn0se: And in THIS CASE, in THIS CONTEXT, it is being used as a tear gas launcher, and should be clearly identified as being used as such, in order to be as accurate as possible and retain a semblance of journalistic integrity.


NOPE, it's a grenade launcher, being used for another purpose. Disturbing and intimidating, no matter how you frame it.
 
2012-07-31 03:37:58 AM  

Corvus: Submitter is wrong. Or are you saying it is the military? or are you being a pussy still like you have been the entire thread?


Egad! Someone on the internet called me a pussy!
 
2012-07-31 03:37:58 AM  

vygramul: That's not a grenade launcher.


How come no-one has developed a feces cannon for crowd control? Nothing would disburse a mob quicker than high velocity pooh. You could have a liquid pooh cannon mounted on APCs as well as hendheld stank pellet rifles with a specially designed turd munition that holds its shape during firing and trajectory but upon implact turns back to liquid.

/just throwin' it out there, workshoppin, you know.
 
2012-07-31 03:38:20 AM  
Get me my... Beanie Baby launcher

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2012-07-31 03:38:36 AM  

dudemanbro: Corvus: Yeah it's semantics. I doubt they had anything other than tear gas "grenades" but I think submitter was being misleading.

I don't. It's a grenade launcher. At a protest against cops killing unarmed civilians. In Anaheim.


So calling the "police" "the military" and making it sounds like they were armed with grenades is not misleading?
 
2012-07-31 03:39:01 AM  

Corvus: demaL-demaL-yeH: ongbok: Nobodyn0se: Sabyen91:

ScreamingHangover does think it is a grenade launcher. Stupid, sure...

Which I just don't get. The fact that it CAN be loaded with something doesn't mean it IS that thing, especially when we have ample evidence that it's NOT that thing in the evidence provided.

As I said earlier, it's like calling Tomahawk cruise missiles "nuclear weapons" just because they CAN be loaded with nuclear warheads.

So if a shotgun is loaded with bean bag rounds instead of shotgun shells it isn't a shotgun anymore? It is now a beanbag launcher?

Don't sweat it: It the same "logic" that declares,"When you load a 40mm grenade launcher with tear gas grenades, it's not a grenade launcher."

Yeah it's semantics. I doubt they had anything other than tear gas "grenades" but I think submitter was being misleading.


No it isn't semantics. What that guy is carrying is called a MGL, Multiple Grenade Launcher, subby called it a grenade launcher. I don't care what you are putting in it, it is still a grenade launcher. Just like a shotgun that is loaded with beanbag rounds is still a shotgun, not a beanbag launcher as somebody argued it was. If an F-14 is completely stripped of all guns and armament and used to deliver presents to poor kids on Christmas is it still an F-14? Yes it is.
 
2012-07-31 03:39:10 AM  

dudemanbro: Nobodyn0se: ScreamingHangover:

I believe quite correctly that it is loaded with only tear gas grenades, and that the officer only has tear gas grenades.
However, it's still a grenade launcher.

But don't you see how calling it a "grenade launcher" when it is obviously being used in the context in question as a tear gas launcher is misleading to the less informed people consuming this particular piece of media?

It's a farking grenade launcher, used for whatever the fark they want to put in there.


It does seem like a failed attempt to rabble-rouse. "OMG, TEH POLICE HAVE GRENADE LAUNCHERS!" To someone who is familiar with weapons ...it seems like it implies that the police are launching grenades. Maybe to some people the phrase "grenade launcher" is insignificant because they don't really care about the difference between a name and a use.

Like, if they just said "the police are firing bullets into the crowd!" and neglected to mention that they're referring to rubber bullets. The distinction is pretty important.
 
2012-07-31 03:39:10 AM  

ScreamingHangover:

So are you saying we should selectively edit the truth so that our lessers can digest it "correctly"?


No, I'm saying we should give as much information as possible so people can digest it accurately.

How about we compromise and call it "a grenade launcher that is loaded with tear gas grenades."

It makes you happy because it says "grenade launcher" and it makes me happy because it is very clear that it is not being used to launch "grenades." Everyone wins. Deal?
 
2012-07-31 03:39:14 AM  

Tickle Mittens: dookdookdook: The Gentleman Caller: See, however looney and insane the 2nd amendment crowd is, this is why I can't fully support harsh gun laws. I see stuff like this and I think "occupation".

Meh. Whatever guns you buy, the police are always going to have better and more expensive ones. Taking potshots at advancing swarms of police is just going to end up killing any chance you have of *not* spending the rest of your life in a military detention facility.

"Wolverines!"

 
2012-07-31 03:39:35 AM  

dudemanbro: Nobodyn0se: And in THIS CASE, in THIS CONTEXT, it is being used as a tear gas launcher, and should be clearly identified as being used as such, in order to be as accurate as possible and retain a semblance of journalistic integrity.

NOPE, it's a grenade launcher, being used for another purpose. Disturbing and intimidating, no matter how you frame it.


You don't think police should be able to use tear gas?
 
2012-07-31 03:39:52 AM  

doctor wu: vygramul: That's not a grenade launcher.

How come no-one has developed a feces cannon for crowd control? Nothing would disburse a mob quicker than high velocity pooh. You could have a liquid pooh cannon mounted on APCs as well as hendheld stank pellet rifles with a specially designed turd munition that holds its shape during firing and trajectory but upon implact turns back to liquid.

/just throwin' it out there, workshoppin, you know.


Actually against the Geneva convention: biological agent (I'm serious: you're not the first to ask).
 
2012-07-31 03:41:31 AM  

ScreamingHangover:

Actually against the Geneva convention: biological agent (I'm serious: you're not the first to ask).


I don't believe the Geneva conventions applies to policing one's own citizens.

Could be wrong though.
 
2012-07-31 03:42:06 AM  
It is a grenade launcher shooting tear gas grenades. How is this becoming an argument?!
 
2012-07-31 03:42:37 AM  

SumoJeb: It is a grenade launcher shooting tear gas grenades. How is this becoming an argument?!


I don't know :(
 
2012-07-31 03:42:55 AM  

dookdookdook: dookdookdook: There are a lot of people in the world who rationalize a lot of horrible crap just by pointing to some ancient document that they say gives them the right to do it.

Ever notice how pretty much no other developed country in the world lets the writings of people who never knew the joys of indoor plumbing paralyze their government's ability to solve important problems?


So you're just scapegoating guns as "the thing" in the way of government solving problems. What problems are guns in the way of solving?
 
2012-07-31 03:43:22 AM  

Corvus: So calling the "police" "the military" and making it sounds like they were armed with grenades is not misleading?


Fine line between police and military nowadays, one that ordinary people on the ground do not often recognize. Especially when they're being violently subdued and shot for rightly protesting the murder of unarmed American civilians by people calling themselves authorities.
 
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