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2012-07-31 11:20:45 AM  
This was Nolan's take on The Dark Knight Returns, with a touch of Knightfall mixed in. The ending alluded to Robin taking over at Wayne Manor, with an army of orphans (whether he uses them for Batscapades or not is uncertain). We have the faked death, the retaking of Gotham. It's all there.
 
2012-07-31 11:28:43 AM  

mgshamster: Well, remember, Bane wanted the people of Gotham to feel like they had a chance of surviving. It would make sense to include the police in that. His whole plan involved making people build up their hope, and then at the last second, destroy them while he watches that look of determination turn into horror.


Thank you.. It wasn't like he had a whole speech on that matter, or anything.
 
2012-07-31 11:29:06 AM  

Nayman: The movie is an utter failure. Having Bane be the big bad guy and then only later discovering that he is just the lapdog of some evil woman completely ruins his character. Nothing he does is actually part of his plan. That means he's not a genius, only hired muscle. He's also apparently 50 years old if he was that much older than talia when they escaped.


Bane is the acting head of the League of Shadows. Talia might be giving orders behind the scenes, but given that she's a mole in Gotham society, she can't be on the ground giving direction. Talia and Bane must have been trained by Ra's either immediately before Bruce, or between the destruction of the League and the death of Ra's. If they were trained after the destruction of the League and Bane was in his late teens when Ra's liberated the prison, then Bane is probably at least 5 years younger than Bruce.

Why does talia stay in character right up until the end when Batman shows up as a surprise? Once they were sure Batman was never coming back wouldn't Talia have told the world who she really was? It's almost like she was just going to hide until the bomb exploded.

Bane tells Bruce that the city won't be completely destroyed unless they are given hope up until the last minute. Gotham isn't just "Manhattan" and the surrounding boroughs have to have their wills broken by the months of status quo and hope followed by destruction.

Manhattan has a population of 8 million and has 35,000 uniformed police officers. Gotham has a population of 12 million and apparently 3000 police officers. Poor civic planning.

The 3000 trapped officers was not 100% of the police force, but it did seem to be most of the heavily armed officers. Traffic cops and meter maids aren't going to be able to stand up to Bane.

Not only does Batman managed to get the bomb over the Bay far too quickly, I am also curious about how he seems to escape the blast radius in under one minute. Does he engage his new we fixed autopilot and then hit the supersonic ejector seat which blasts him away 6 miles in under one minute?

I explain this above. It would take about 2.5 minutes to reach safe distance to go from the Holland Tunnel to a point 6 miles into the outer bay. Bruce could eject over the inner bay and be safe.

Why the fark is there a countdown timer on the fusion core?>

Countdown to instability, not necessarily detonation.

Isn't making Wayne manner into an orphanage a risky proposition? What if a child finds the Batcave? I would hate to see an eight-year-old get a hold of all those bat-weapons.

Only if a kid gets into that particular room, and hits that particular sequence of notes on the piano. I'm dubious that this would happen accidentally. Plus, Robin could probably seal the door from the other side.

Why does Bruce Wayne go off and live with a serial criminal who we have seen murder several people and steal many things and betray many many more people? I know it's Anne Hathaway, but seriously?

She wanted to start clean and demonstrated that by saving him.

Why if Alfred is so concerned about Bruce being killed, does he leave making Bruce more vulnerable and likely to be killed?

It's the only thing Alfred can do to try to convince him to give up being Batman.

Why, if Batman ceased being Batman eight years ago is Bruce so badly injured? It seems like he only ever had two major fights in his life. First he dealt with the scarecrow then he dealt with the Joker. Hardly enough to completely ruin a man's body. At least in this comic book world. That kind of damage would be accumulated from a lifetime of doing this sort of thing. Not doing it for two years and then giving it up.

I don't think that he only had 2 major fights. He fought for multiple years between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. I don't recall it being stated in TDK how much time had passed, but it seemed to me it took more than 2 years. Also, after Batman kills Harvey, he is seen limping away, which is where he damaged his knee.

Why did driving over the bridge kill talia immediately but leave 60-year-old already injured recently hospitalized Commissioner Gordon alive?

Probably more to do with the multiple artillery shots into the cabin than the 15 foot drop, but yeah, Gordon should have been more banged up.

Why did Batman blowup the top of that skyscraper simply to clear it when he's in a vertical takeoff and landing vehicle? Most citizens of gotham we're still holed up in their homes at the time of him leaving, therefore he may have killed hundreds of people simply because he had to stop and kiss Catwoman before taking off. What a jerk.

He needed to gain linear velocity, not altitude. Taking the time to go around the building would put the whole city at risk. Perhaps the buildings around that area aren't residential, and it doesn't seem likely that too many businesses would be in operation.
 
2012-07-31 11:30:10 AM  
Farking italic tags x 2...
 
2012-07-31 11:30:21 AM  
My biggest gripes with the movie are the magic healing leg (he has no ligaments remaining in his knee according to the doctor), the time warp stock exchange, and scarecrow being the judge, the good guys knowing the exact second the bomb will go off (did Fox just start a stopwatch when the scientist activated it? Cause there's absolutely no reason Talia would give them accurate information regarding the bomb, hence her sabotaging the truck marking, which frankly, Gordon should have had done already with 5 months of free time), and bruce getting from the pit to gotham
 
2012-07-31 11:32:51 AM  
Oh, and the bat seemingly surviving a nuclear blast, which means that the whole autopilot nonsense was unnecessary. And the fact that Bane knew where the secret super awesome batstash was, but couldn't find the Bat covered by a tarp in 5 months.
 
2012-07-31 11:34:02 AM  

Slaxl: Why do people take things so seriously? I mean, a film is ruined because of a timer on a countdown core? Some things are obviously put in for our, the viewers, benefit. That's just a fact of cinema. Deal the fark with it. Jeez.

I thought it was a great film but I still left the cinema with things to raise against it, but I won't let a few minor quibbles get in the way of my enjoyment. The article and this thread serve as a testament to the fact that most of you weren't paying attention to the film and then complained about bits you missed. The whole throwing the rope down into the prison bit is a prime example. It was farking obviously clear in the film he dropped the rope back in, if you missed it you weren't paying attention. A guy I watched the film with asked how Batman got over a broken back in a couple of days... Not paying attention can ruin a film.

A few gripes I had with the film were the fact that I think firstly a little more effort could have been used to distinguish Gotham from New York City, Batman could have done less driving and flying with crappy batmobiles, batbikes and batcopters, and more fighting. Probably unpopular but I think there hasn't been a decent batmobile since the Adam We 60s batman. It was a cool looking vehicle to get him to a fight. That's all it needs to be.

Also the film was very light, when Gotham should be a very dark place. I don't know if this was a deliberate directional choice to illustrate something about the lifting of crime from the city, but I like the dark Gotham.

Perhaps I should disclaim that I never read the comic books, I've seen a few, my brother likes them, but I think they're crap. I also never really like superhero films until Batman Begins. I'm sure I'm looking at these films, and Batman himself, in a completely different way than the die hard fans from comic book era, but ultimately I think some let themselves fall into hating the film for too trivial reasons.

It's not like some guy in a cave and some cable fashioned a suit that superheated the cable with plasma or something from a small nuclear device which allowed him to jump onto an F1 track and cut some cars in half.


My impression of the look of Gotham was that Nolan had a 'fark it, it's New York' attitude this time around. He shows the WTC and the Empire State Building. The stock exchange is on Wall Street. All the street signs are NY. Hell, they pan past Sack's 5th Avenue.

I think he did it to make the visual connection to 9/11 and the whole Bane/ occupy wall street connection stronger.

IMHO that Gotham=New York thing made the movie. I think Nolan nailed the 2012 anxieties. The move had tons of flaws, but it strikes me that it's going to become one of those incredibly ambitious films that only grows in stature with time.

/Why in the hell Bane's henchmen listen to Catwoman's orders in one of the later scene's I'll never know.
 
2012-07-31 11:39:15 AM  

Mentalpatient87: mgshamster: Well, remember, Bane wanted the people of Gotham to feel like they had a chance of surviving. It would make sense to include the police in that. His whole plan involved making people build up their hope, and then at the last second, destroy them while he watches that look of determination turn into horror.

Thank you.. It wasn't like he had a whole speech on that matter, or anything.


So how does having the whole police department trapped underground (and let's not go into the logistics of sending the entire police department into the sewers at the exact moment they needed to be there) while criminals execute citizens exactly inspire hope that they have a chance of surviving?
 
2012-07-31 11:42:09 AM  

hammer85: Oh, and the bat seemingly surviving a nuclear blast, which means that the whole autopilot nonsense was unnecessary. And the fact that Bane knew where the secret super awesome batstash was, but couldn't find the Bat covered by a tarp in 5 months.


It was a good thing Wayne fixed that autopilot six months ago though, because that would've been really inconvienent.
 
2012-07-31 11:43:09 AM  

SpoilerAlert: Funbags: Was there any particular reason the prisoners in the pit couldn't just haul a couple long planks of wood to bridge the gap of that ledge?

I was told in another thread yesterday it was because there were no Home Depots down there.


I see. So in other words, there was no reason.
 
2012-07-31 11:48:17 AM  
My theory is that Dr. House is the Batman:
(warning, House S8 & TDKR spoilers ahead, doesn't hurt to warn people)

- Wayne lives like a recluse for 8 years and House lasted 8 seasons
- They both need a cane (different leg, though)
- Same ending, fake death and clues left for their friends to find out
- final countdown: Wilson has 5 months to live and the bomb is set to blow up after the same amount of time
- both are succeeded to by a younger guy, John Blake/Robert Chase. You might also want to check out who John Chase was and his relation with terms such as 'Colorado' and 'Massacre' while Robert Blake was also the name of a Lovecraft character in 'The haunter of the dark' (ok, that one's far fetched)
- both are considered weak for relying to much on artificial strenght (technology/vicodin)
- both get out of jail earlier than they were supposed to

Call me whacky but goddammit the endings were so similar I half expected Bruce and Alfred to leave Florence on motorbikes with 'Enjoy Yourself' playing, credits.
That would had been awesome.
 
2012-07-31 11:54:18 AM  

SpoilerAlert: Mentalpatient87: mgshamster: Well, remember, Bane wanted the people of Gotham to feel like they had a chance of surviving. It would make sense to include the police in that. His whole plan involved making people build up their hope, and then at the last second, destroy them while he watches that look of determination turn into horror.

Thank you.. It wasn't like he had a whole speech on that matter, or anything.

So how does having the whole police department trapped underground (and let's not go into the logistics of sending the entire police department into the sewers at the exact moment they needed to be there) while criminals execute citizens exactly inspire hope that they have a chance of surviving?


I didn't say it was a good plan, just that it was his plan.
 
2012-07-31 11:57:58 AM  

hammer85: Oh, and the bat seemingly surviving a nuclear blast, which means that the whole autopilot nonsense was unnecessary. And the fact that Bane knew where the secret super awesome batstash was, but couldn't find the Bat covered by a tarp in 5 months.


There wasn't just one Bat, apparently.

Bane didn't know about the Bat, thus wasn't looking for it.
 
2012-07-31 11:58:37 AM  

Funbags: SpoilerAlert: Funbags: Was there any particular reason the prisoners in the pit couldn't just haul a couple long planks of wood to bridge the gap of that ledge?

I was told in another thread yesterday it was because there were no Home Depots down there.

I see. So in other words, there was no reason.


Does it really have to be spelled out? There were not available materials to make a bridge in the hole.

A better question would be why not just keep climbing the wall straight up from that first ledge? Do the hand/footholds that carried you halfway up just stop at the Leap of Faith?
 
2012-07-31 11:59:15 AM  

SpoilerAlert: hammer85: Oh, and the bat seemingly surviving a nuclear blast, which means that the whole autopilot nonsense was unnecessary. And the fact that Bane knew where the secret super awesome batstash was, but couldn't find the Bat covered by a tarp in 5 months.

It was a good thing Wayne fixed that autopilot six months ago though, because that would've been really inconvienent.


I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say. If the plane can survive a nuke, or was able to fly away from the blast in time, then the autopilot was unnecessary and Bruce would have survived the explosion.

/the autopilot was fixed 6 months ago
//he made it
///yea, and it's pretty impressive that this thing looks like new after being in the epicenter of a 6 mile nuclear blast, with the exposed fan and alien ship from HL2 look and everything
 
2012-07-31 12:05:49 PM  

hammer85: SpoilerAlert: hammer85: Oh, and the bat seemingly surviving a nuclear blast, which means that the whole autopilot nonsense was unnecessary. And the fact that Bane knew where the secret super awesome batstash was, but couldn't find the Bat covered by a tarp in 5 months.

It was a good thing Wayne fixed that autopilot six months ago though, because that would've been really inconvienent.

I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say. If the plane can survive a nuke, or was able to fly away from the blast in time, then the autopilot was unnecessary and Bruce would have survived the explosion.

/the autopilot was fixed 6 months ago
//he made it
///yea, and it's pretty impressive that this thing looks like new after being in the epicenter of a 6 mile nuclear blast, with the exposed fan and alien ship from HL2 look and everything


Are y'all talking about the Bat at the end of the movie with Lucius and the scientists talking about the fixed auto-pilot? That was a different Bat (different color and everything). Bruce fixed the glitch and implemented in all of the Bats, 6 months before the explosion.
 
2012-07-31 12:13:41 PM  
But if there was more than one bat, why didn't bane use them? He had access to all of the hidden Bat gear from the armory raid where the Bats would have been stored.
 
2012-07-31 12:14:27 PM  

hammer85: My biggest gripes with the movie are the magic healing leg (he has no ligaments remaining in his knee according to the doctor), the time warp stock exchange, and scarecrow being the judge, the good guys knowing the exact second the bomb will go off (did Fox just start a stopwatch when the scientist activated it? Cause there's absolutely no reason Talia would give them accurate information regarding the bomb, hence her sabotaging the truck marking, which frankly, Gordon should have had done already with 5 months of free time), and bruce getting from the pit to gotham


You don't remember the hydraulic leg brace he got? Also I loved Scarecrow as judge. Different strokes. As far as Bruce getting from the pit to Gotham....he abandoned his fortune and traveled the world once before. He also has performed missions overseas and is a globe-trotter in his civilian identity. It wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't have a few safehouses or secret bank accounts scattered about the globe. Hell he probably had a certain rock he could go to when he got out of the pit that had a briefcase with a suit and passport in it. He's the goddamn Batman after all.
/Death.......by exile.
 
2012-07-31 12:18:50 PM  
The leg brace disappears halfway through the movie (it's completely missing when he bones talia and he walks around the house like nothing happened).

I'm fine with Bruce getting to Gotham, it's the speed at which he does it that I find to be the issue. He spent years traveling the world, yet manages to get from the "ancient world" to civilization with armed guards at every entrence in a matter of hours.
 
2012-07-31 12:24:02 PM  

hammer85: The leg brace disappears halfway through the movie (it's completely missing when he bones talia and he walks around the house like nothing happened).

I'm fine with Bruce getting to Gotham, it's the speed at which he does it that I find to be the issue. He spent years traveling the world, yet manages to get from the "ancient world" to civilization with armed guards at every entrence in a matter of hours.


I assumed he incorporated the brace into the Batman suit. That's when he'd really need it. I'm not sure of how long it took him to actually get back. I'd assume it would have to be a week or less rather than hours. Maybe the pit time wasn't in real time with what was happening in Gotham (a bit in the past) so it could show his recovery process to the viewer.
 
2012-07-31 12:25:50 PM  

hammer85: The leg brace disappears halfway through the movie (it's completely missing when he bones talia and he walks around the house like nothing happened).

I'm fine with Bruce getting to Gotham, it's the speed at which he does it that I find to be the issue. He spent years traveling the world, yet manages to get from the "ancient world" to civilization with armed guards at every entrence in a matter of hours.


Huh. I just assumed it was a few days later. Did I miss something?
 
2012-07-31 12:29:27 PM  

mgshamster: hammer85: The leg brace disappears halfway through the movie (it's completely missing when he bones talia and he walks around the house like nothing happened).

I'm fine with Bruce getting to Gotham, it's the speed at which he does it that I find to be the issue. He spent years traveling the world, yet manages to get from the "ancient world" to civilization with armed guards at every entrence in a matter of hours.

Huh. I just assumed it was a few days later. Did I miss something?


Yea I could've sworn I remember hearing one of the good guys in Gotham saying it had like 2 weeks (maybe a month) until detonation, then it cuts to Bruce and him finally escaping. They didn't teleport Batman all the way to Gotham, he arrived with less than a day left.
 
2012-07-31 12:30:22 PM  

hammer85: The leg brace disappears halfway through the movie (it's completely missing when he bones talia and he walks around the house like nothing happened).

I'm fine with Bruce getting to Gotham, it's the speed at which he does it that I find to be the issue. He spent years traveling the world, yet manages to get from the "ancient world" to civilization with armed guards at every entrence in a matter of hours.


The timescale of all those scenes are a bit funky. I assumed it was weeks in between each seen we saw in the prison. The score just made it seem as though it was rushing along. Wasn't that whole time period like 3 months? Could it have been a whole week in between him escaping and landing in Gotham?
 
2012-07-31 12:31:45 PM  

slayer199: scottydoesntknow: How Does Bruce Wayne Get Back to Gotham With No Resources?

He's the f***ing Batman. Seriously, if any fictional character could pull this one off, it's the f***ing Batman. Stop whining.

Ok, this one made me laugh.

My girlfriend and I discussed this at length (as well as some of the others). The dude lived off the grid for 7 years in his youth. If anything, Bruce Wayne is resourceful. He was broke...but he really wasn't broke. He was also very rich. What do the very rich like to do with their money? Put it in offshore accounts. It's more than likely that he had stashed millions in offshore accounts only known to him (which also explains the ending in more ways than one).

As for boning Miranda Tate...hell yes he would have. I don't know how anyone could say he wouldn't have. He was broke, alone, and isolated....he probably would have boned someone a lot less hot and rich if they were available.

As for the stock exchange business. That would eventually be overturned but by the time order was restored to Gotham, Bruce Wayne was dead.


THIS!

Quite possibly the most logical explanation to date of the events in the movie, and the same conclusions I came to almost immediately.
 
2012-07-31 12:31:47 PM  

Mentalpatient87: Funbags: SpoilerAlert: Funbags: Was there any particular reason the prisoners in the pit couldn't just haul a couple long planks of wood to bridge the gap of that ledge?

I was told in another thread yesterday it was because there were no Home Depots down there.

I see. So in other words, there was no reason.

Does it really have to be spelled out? There were not available materials to make a bridge in the hole.

A better question would be why not just keep climbing the wall straight up from that first ledge? Do the hand/footholds that carried you halfway up just stop at the Leap of Faith?


From what I recall of the various shots of that ledge, I think that, yes, there were no handhold near the upper part of the pit. The walls looked much smoother up there.

And no materials? Assuming there was literally NOTHING ELSE DOWN THERE that wasn't shown on camera, at the very least, they had beds, and massive lengths of rope. How clever do you have to be to lash together some bedframes and at least make that ~15' jump something more manageable?
 
2012-07-31 12:36:03 PM  
FTA: "Batman Totally Heals Too Quickly For a Real World Back Injury"

I forget how long it actually was in the movie? 5 months or so? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Anyways, a nurse in my hospital experienced a horrific back injury(it was broken) while skiing two winters ago a few days after Christmas. She was back working like normal by early July.
 
2012-07-31 12:44:53 PM  
Wow. What a horrible, butthurt article.
 
2012-07-31 12:45:07 PM  

scottydoesntknow: rtaylor92: My only two real "wtf" moments were Gordon surviving in the back of that truck when it crashed and in the second fight, Bane punching through concrete pillars during their second fight. I can pretty much overlook everything else but those two things, for whatever reason, really bothered me.

Hey I was wondering how Gordon survived all that radiation exposure.

I chalked Bane's punching power up to a combination of pain and adrenaline. He just had his mask punctured/broken by Batman, so the pain he was experiencing would be immeasurable. Add in the adrenaline from the pain and the massive fight, and it's not entirely unbelievable he could knock some plaster off a pillar. It wasn't like he punched straight through them.


I didn't mind the breaking of the concrete so much as him being unharmed. You can be all jacked up on adrenaline and I can pretend that it gave him the strength to break concrete but it should have totally destroyed both of his hands and wrists. When he did it, I thought for a split second that it was going to be what turned the fight, Bane was going to look down at his now mangled hands and be pretty much defenseless.

and I hadn't really thought about the radiation angle but it makes sense. I just thought that with the driver and passenger both being killed, surely the guy bouncing around in the back of a metal box would at least be severely concussed and unconscious.
 
2012-07-31 12:50:17 PM  

rtaylor92: scottydoesntknow: rtaylor92: My only two real "wtf" moments were Gordon surviving in the back of that truck when it crashed and in the second fight, Bane punching through concrete pillars during their second fight. I can pretty much overlook everything else but those two things, for whatever reason, really bothered me.

Hey I was wondering how Gordon survived all that radiation exposure.

I chalked Bane's punching power up to a combination of pain and adrenaline. He just had his mask punctured/broken by Batman, so the pain he was experiencing would be immeasurable. Add in the adrenaline from the pain and the massive fight, and it's not entirely unbelievable he could knock some plaster off a pillar. It wasn't like he punched straight through them.

I didn't mind the breaking of the concrete so much as him being unharmed. You can be all jacked up on adrenaline and I can pretend that it gave him the strength to break concrete but it should have totally destroyed both of his hands and wrists. When he did it, I thought for a split second that it was going to be what turned the fight, Bane was going to look down at his now mangled hands and be pretty much defenseless.

and I hadn't really thought about the radiation angle but it makes sense. I just thought that with the driver and passenger both being killed, surely the guy bouncing around in the back of a metal box would at least be severely concussed and unconscious.


Eh. Gotham's an old decaying city. With all the corruption going on, it wouldn't surprise me if corrupt contractors pulled some shenanigans and used sub-par materials and paying off inspectors to get those supports to code.
 
2012-07-31 01:03:53 PM  
I, too, had serious issues with this movie.

1. Gotham City. This place doesn't exist and never has. It's a lie.

2. Commissioner Gordon, Bruce Wayne, and Alfred: These men look suspiciously like Gary Oldman, Christian Bale, and Micahel Kane. I don't think we actually were watching Batman at all, but some guy pretending to be him.

3. Bane's mask. I've been around many a hospital in my day and never have I seen a device that looks remotely similar to that.

4. How many hours are in a day? I swear, that movie claimed months had passed from the moment I sat down to the moment I left, but my watch said only about 2 hours had elapsed.

So yeah, big f*cking fail for that one.
 
2012-07-31 01:10:59 PM  

rtaylor92: I didn't mind the breaking of the concrete so much as him being unharmed. You can be all jacked up on adrenaline and I can pretend that it gave him the strength to break concrete but it should have totally destroyed both of his hands and wrists. When he did it, I thought for a split second that it was going to be what turned the fight, Bane was going to look down at his now mangled hands and be pretty much defenseless.


You're also talking about a man who uses his forehead like it's a steel bowling ball and doesn't shed a drop of blood. Bane's only weakness had to be his mask, it couldn't be his hands or anything else. He was stronger, faster, and smarter than Batman. But when Batman started targetting that mask, Bane knew he was in trouble.
 
2012-07-31 01:11:27 PM  
The script really obviously needed another once-over with a pen, white-out, and maybe a flamethrower.

At least it gave us the cops-versus-thugs fight scene, which provided Razzie-level unintentional comedy. I liked that part.
 
2012-07-31 01:12:48 PM  

ODDwhun: So in a trilogy that is supposed to be "realistic" we're supposed to accept this just cuz? I willing to believe more advance tech, but not more advanced healing, especially when it comes at the end of a rope.


I think people too often confuse "realistic" with "tone." They're a darker set of films in the superhero universe, but they're certainly not realistic by any means.
 
2012-07-31 01:14:41 PM  

fallingcow: At least it gave us the cops-versus-thugs fight scene, which provided Razzie-level unintentional comedy. I liked that part.


Yeah, it was like Braveheart without the weapons.
 
2012-07-31 01:20:46 PM  

thecpt: hammer85: The leg brace disappears halfway through the movie (it's completely missing when he bones talia and he walks around the house like nothing happened).

I'm fine with Bruce getting to Gotham, it's the speed at which he does it that I find to be the issue. He spent years traveling the world, yet manages to get from the "ancient world" to civilization with armed guards at every entrence in a matter of hours.

The timescale of all those scenes are a bit funky. I assumed it was weeks in between each seen we saw in the prison. The score just made it seem as though it was rushing along. Wasn't that whole time period like 3 months? Could it have been a whole week in between him escaping and landing in Gotham?


I'm willing to yield that. I don't remember every bit of the movie, and I thought prior to the escape scene they mentioned being around a day or two remaining (hence the "we need to mark these damn trucks now and tell the police we're busting them out soon" scenes with blake/gordon. Batman arrives with something around 11-12 hours remaining (I think he says 11 in his scene with Catwoman), hence the confusion in just the speed to get there from a remote part of the world (not just having the means to do it). Factor in the setting the giant fire batsignal and it seemed like he became the flash momentarily. It's possible there was more time remaining, but that would require a second viewing when my wife returns from Colombia to make sure.
 
2012-07-31 01:30:39 PM  

BafflerMeal: My biggest quibble was the story was basically driven that the lie of Dent's death was what broke Wayne and Gordon. In the real world environment Nolan created, I think they'd both be ok with that lie.


I thought the whole reasoning behind using Dent's death to pass some unconstitutional legislation that magically worked was kind of flimsy. The entire premise of batman's disappearance is built around that so the films starts off on shaky ground.

/still enjoyed it.
 
2012-07-31 01:56:02 PM  

Madbassist1: farkityfarker: They forgot "Why would anyone go see a movie about a man who dresses up in a silly bat costume to fight crime?"

Why would anyone post in a thread about a movie they disdain?

/the answers are similar, I'd wager.


Some people like to be the bane of our existence.
 
2012-07-31 02:07:49 PM  

Madbassist1: farkityfarker: They forgot "Why would anyone go see a movie about a man who dresses up in a silly bat costume to fight crime?"

Why would anyone post in a thread about a movie they disdain?

/the answers are similar, I'd wager.


Some men just want to watch the world burn.
 
2012-07-31 03:03:36 PM  

Funbags: Was there any particular reason the prisoners in the pit couldn't just haul a couple long planks of wood to bridge the gap of that ledge?


Damn. lol
 
2012-07-31 04:08:08 PM  

Slaxl: There is one huge problem with this film that I'm not sure anyone has addressed. The ending was set up nicely (or scarily) for a future film based on Robin, the boy wonder... I really hope they don't.


Nightwing, not Robin and fark you I want to see it.
 
2012-07-31 05:05:54 PM  

SpoilerAlert: Bane kept sending down food and shaving kits down to the police force that he was going to blow up anyway because he's a nice guy and who cares it's about a movie where a dude dresses up as a bat.


Bane was using an uncomfortable truth as a tactic: Hope is a drug.
He couldn't have held Gotham if millions of people decided to go full tilt zombie mode on him. They'd plow through his blockade like a human wave and trample his army to death.
He let them keep thinking that there was an easy way out, and that hope kept them docile.

Ultimately, the League of Shadows was burning Gotham to make a bigger example to the world. So I would say his few generous actions were also like a last meal to the condemned.

/They also seem to be obsessed with not just wrecking the place, but in the way its wrecked.
/Self consuming violence, specifically.
/They could have explored reason for that further.
 
2012-07-31 05:09:16 PM  

Nayman: Isn't making Wayne manner into an orphanage a risky proposition? What if a child finds the Batcave? I would hate to see an eight-year-old get a hold of all those bat-weapons.


Blake becomes Batman; one of the kids becomes Robin after dicking around on piano and hitting that sequence of notes.
 
2012-07-31 06:16:53 PM  
The scientist specifically said it was a neutron bomb, so there wouldn't be much radiation to worry about in Gotham. Neutron bomb=much less radiation.
 
2012-07-31 06:32:05 PM  
what did he do with the batpod when he flew off in the batwing ...

did it fit in the back,... did he leave it,,,,,did alfred come back for it ...

woulda been great if Foley was like "Why didn't somebody tell me that he had one of those... things?"

and then shot Tracey Walter
 
2012-07-31 09:29:52 PM  

Hebalo: This was Nolan's take on The Dark Knight Returns, with a touch of Knightfall mixed in.


Also, No Man's Land. I loved the little Bat gang signs Catwoman and the police were putting up everywhere.

TeamEd: Hell, they pan past Sack's 5th Avenue.


Heh, I hadn't realized that was a NYC thing. I figured they just showed it off because it had been in Pittsburgh for sixty years.
 
2012-07-31 10:24:04 PM  
Two words:

BELAY ON!
 
2012-08-01 12:16:14 AM  
They show Wayne damaging the brick wall with his Batsuit leg brace but it never occurs to him to use his Bionic Superkick against Bane.

What the hell was the deal with Bane channeling Sybock on Daggert and then never referencing it again?

I get Bane, Talia, and obviously Blake figuring it out but by the end of the film every named character was either dead, knew Wayne's secret, or both.
 
2012-08-01 03:26:09 AM  
Many of the plot holes existed because they had to exist. This was a Generic Summer Action Flick.

We need to show Batman overcoming adversity and growing as a character. So, uh, have him learn to walk again, and then a bang hot chick! That'll do!

A big fight scene between cops and thugs would be cool. We should do it at the climax, while the hero and villain duke it out mano-a-mano! So uh, put the all the cops underground or something until the end.

And we need lots of twists... A couple "surprise" comebacks from characters thought to have left. Have the hot chick he boned turn out to be his enemy, no one will ever see that coming! Oh, oh, I know! Let's pretend to kill Batman, so that the audience will cheer with we reveal that he isn't dead three minutes later!

And we need a cool flying thing! And missiles!

AN ATOM BOMB WITH THE TICKING CLOCK!

Oh, and give that guy who played Scarecrow another bit part.


It just seemed so damned generic compared to the first two. In those, Batman first overcame fear, and then he overcame chaos. Here, he overcame "bad-guys with a big bomb." Groundbreaking stuff.

I guess they wanted to end the trilogy with "cool kersplody summer flick that will sell toys."
 
2012-08-01 06:34:27 AM  

sendtodave: I guess they wanted to end the trilogy with "cool kersplody summer flick that will sell toys."


Seemed more like Nolan wanted to make a moving comic book. He succeeded. The "cool kersplody summer flick that will sell toys" was made in 1989.
 
2012-08-01 11:15:55 AM  

sendtodave: It just seemed so damned generic compared to the first two. In those, Batman first overcame fear, and then he overcame chaos. Here, he overcame "bad-guys with a big bomb."


Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb.
 
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