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2012-07-31 01:02:49 AM

stoli n coke: He said at the end of the second that the Joker was going to be in a padded cell for the rest of his life.
He went to the nuthouse. I don't think a trial and sentencing scene was necessary.


Ok that rings a bell but it is, unfortunately, a crappy cop-out. But I understand why they did it.

Mugato: There's not much to say, he's sitting in Arkham Asylum. I don' think Bane let those people out.


That would've been nice if they addressed that directly. However, I can see why they didn't need to since Bane didn't need the crazies out in the streets.
 
2012-07-31 01:03:20 AM

Tiber727: How did Bane know about the secret warehouse under Wayne Enterprises?

If your greatest fear about a prototype nuclear reactor is that it can be turned into a weapon, why make it removable from the container that prevents that from happening? And why build this fancy display that will perfectly count down to when it blows up?

How did that copter manage to outrun missiles anyway?

And lastly, why did Batman decide to forgo the use of pretty much all gadgets to engage the bad guy in a straight-up fistfight?


Because he's the goddamn Batman that's why
 
2012-07-31 01:03:53 AM

TheManofPA: Britney Spear's Speculum: They didn't really address what happened to Joker. And yes, I know they couldn't very well have a flashback to a scene where batman or someone offs The Joker for the obvious reason.

Doing nothing with the Joker was in the end the safest thing. The people who really complain (by that I mean biatch hardcore about it, not you just bring it up) would have really biatched hard if he showed up. They would rail how he was wasted in it or "well now Gotham isn't safe because he's on the loose", no way they would be pleased. Plus you'd add the whole element of people being uncomfortable with there being a replacement. Joker included would just in the end risk taking too much off the table and not really add anything to the story


My solution- Show the Arkham breakout (it had to have happened because Scarecrow was not going to be in Blackgate) but when one of Banes goons reach for a door marked "Identity Unknown:Joker" have another goon grab his arm and say "No, we don't need that much chaos"
 
2012-07-31 01:04:25 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: stoli n coke: He said at the end of the second that the Joker was going to be in a padded cell for the rest of his life.
He went to the nuthouse. I don't think a trial and sentencing scene was necessary.

Ok that rings a bell but it is, unfortunately, a crappy cop-out. But I understand why they did it.

Mugato: There's not much to say, he's sitting in Arkham Asylum. I don' think Bane let those people out.

That would've been nice if they addressed that directly. However, I can see why they didn't need to since Bane didn't need the crazies out in the streets.


Wasn't scarecrow in the asylum? He got out.
 
2012-07-31 01:06:38 AM

mgshamster: Wasn't scarecrow in the asylum? He got out.


He wasn't in the asylum, he was running around the streets with guys in hockey pads dressed up as batman in the dark knight.
 
2012-07-31 01:07:43 AM

mgshamster: Wasn't scarecrow in the asylum? He got out.


He was out in the *last* film...
 
2012-07-31 01:09:46 AM

TheManofPA: Digitalstrange: My explanation for why the Wayne Enterprises board didn't question the legitimacy of the stupid trading by Bruce Wayne even though it happened under suspicious circumstances.

There were 2 catagories of people on the board:

1 People on the take from Daggett/Bane

2 People who knew Bruce as the spoiled trust fund baby who fell asleep in meetings with the Chinese mobster that he wanted to get in bed with until the guy was arrested for being involved with every organized crime group in Gotham and then shuttered an alternative energy project he sunk the entire companys assets into when rumors say it was close to working.

3 people who saw which way the wind was blowing
1) Your normal boardmembers who would do anything to make a profit and get more money for themselves

2) Wayne loyalists- and I think Lucius Fox was pretty much it for category 2

My reading of it (though truly I agree with you)


true enough but my analysis explains why they thought ignoring the logical idea that the trades were fake seemed profitable to them. Category 1 was directly profiting by taking bribes from the competition. Category 2 thought Bruce was bad leadership based on past experience, and category 3 was pretty much your "whatever keeps profits coming" group
 
2012-07-31 01:09:56 AM

BafflerMeal: mgshamster: Wasn't scarecrow in the asylum? He got out.

He was out in the *last* film...


And he choreographed the escape in the first one. Wouldn't make much sense to lock him up somewhere that he already knew how to get out of.
 
2012-07-31 01:11:12 AM
Why didn't Batman lower the goddamn rope once he got to the top of the pit? He could have helped the people who helped him.
And don't say, "those prisoners deserved to be in there." How do you know that? Bane farking put them in there. Do you think he's a good arbiter of right and wrong?
 
2012-07-31 01:13:03 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: mgshamster: Wasn't scarecrow in the asylum? He got out.

He wasn't in the asylum, he was running around the streets with guys in hockey pads dressed up as batman in the dark knight.


Ah yes. I forgot about that.
 
2012-07-31 01:15:20 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: mgshamster: Wasn't scarecrow in the asylum? He got out.

He wasn't in the asylum, he was running around the streets with guys in hockey pads dressed up as batman in the dark knight.


except Batman left him trussed up at the end of that scene for pickup to go back to Arkham. He was back in custody
 
2012-07-31 01:15:34 AM

GreenAdder: Why didn't Batman lower the goddamn rope once he got to the top of the pit? He could have helped the people who helped him.
And don't say, "those prisoners deserved to be in there." How do you know that? Bane farking put them in there. Do you think he's a good arbiter of right and wrong?


He did lower the ropes that were tethered to the top of the pit. Remember, he didn't use one to climb out. He was helping the other prisoners get out.

Jesus, was everyone checking their Facebook status during this farking movie?
 
2012-07-31 01:16:25 AM

susansto-helit: None of these were complaints I had about the film. Bane's monologuing and afterthought death aside, he really didn't seem to be a good fit for the Nolan universe. Nolan's Batman universe is very real, and Bane was a bit too larger than life. Hardy did just fine, but the character is almost too operatic for the Nolan universe. And why the hell did Batman keep challenging him to fisticuffs? When they started physically fighting the second time, my first thought was "Did he not kick your ass thoroughly enough last time, Batman? You know all that awesome technology you have just on your Batsuit? Try using some of it."

Selina Kyle was pretty much wasted here too. I like Anne Hathaway, but the character was quite blah. I don't blame her so much for that. She wasn't written very well.

My last quibble was that they brought back the League of Shadows at all. Ra's al Ghul was fun, but there was no need to bring him and his legacy back. The Batman universe has an incredibly rich stock of bad guys to choose from. Why visit old territory? I won't get into my own personal wish list for bad guys I'd have liked to see Nolan take on, but the League of Shadows has always been a bit of a bore to me.

That said, it was a fun movie and the actors did the best they could with what they were given. Like everyone, I knew exactly where they were going with Blake, and Joseph Gordon-Levitt did a good job taking a character that no one was anxious to see and making him far more likable than most people expected.


I liked the inclusion of talia and the league of shadows. I felt like it helped bring the trilogy full circle and it was a nice non-supernatural way to give Ra's his trademark "immortality"
 
2012-07-31 01:16:58 AM

Tiber727: How did Bane know about the secret warehouse under Wayne Enterprises?


Talia al'Ghul, who is the one in charge of the League of Shadows, has been involved with Wayne enterprises for some time, iirc at least partially as a board member even before the events of the movie. Getting some building schematics and going "hey, there's unallocated space there" then finding out what's in said space isn't rocket science when you're not only on the board of the company, but also have an army of ninjas and spies.

If your greatest fear about a prototype nuclear reactor is that it can be turned into a weapon, why make it removable from the container that prevents that from happening? And why build this fancy display that will perfectly count down to when it blows up?

The very existence of the device is pure pseudoscience and that's being charitable, so if you accept its existence at all it doesn't really make sense to ponder its design specs. The safety system (to flood the room when irregularities like the core removal occur) was disabled by Talia.

How did that copter manage to outrun missiles anyway?

Well, they're Bat-missiles, i.e. miniature kamikaze drones with some solid AI. Assumably you have to make them slow enough for the AI's guidance process, targeting algorithm, and image processing to keep them on target. Batman's obsessively concerned with minimizing non-criminal casualties, using unguided missiles would mean hitting buildings and using heat-guided missiles, which would also be fairly fast, would be a bad idea in a city (i.e. giant concrete pad covered in large heat sources) for similar reasons.

And lastly, why did Batman decide to forgo the use of pretty much all gadgets to engage the bad guy in a straight-up fistfight?

Nolan's Bruce Wayne is technically inept and a farking moron. The character's been pretty consistent from the start, did you miss the first two movies where he couldn't do even the most basic detective work and had to come begging to Fox to rig his cowl to turn, or had to crash his personal car into a police vehicle to resolve a mole when paying the guy off was trivial? Or the part where his girlfriend died because he waited politely for a terrorist to give him clues instead of going out with a basic mass spectrometer and finding both captives in half the time? Maybe you remember him stupidly leaping onto a train that runs on a monorail, i.e. it has an external power source that can be easily cut off remotely by someone with, say, a car that shoots missiles and a way to figure out where the physical power connections are?

Batman's abject stupidity is the major driving force of the action in the Nolan movies.
 
2012-07-31 01:18:08 AM

Digitalstrange: Britney Spear's Speculum: mgshamster: Wasn't scarecrow in the asylum? He got out.

He wasn't in the asylum, he was running around the streets with guys in hockey pads dressed up as batman in the dark knight.

except Batman left him trussed up at the end of that scene for pickup to go back to Arkham. He was back in custody


Except (part 2) he was out again as one of the 'guards' on the boat full of inmates which means he was probably working with the Joker as an inside man. I'm surprised how few people notice this when the camera lingers on him...
 
2012-07-31 01:19:25 AM
Those goons of Bane's didn't spill the beans about Bruce? Sure, they were loyal to him and Talia during the big showdown. But now that they're leaderless and rudderless, they're not going to talk?

And isn't Gordon just trading one lie for another? Did he not learn his lesson after upholding his eight-year lie about Dent?
 
2012-07-31 01:21:00 AM

GreenAdder: Why didn't Batman lower the goddamn rope once he got to the top of the pit? He could have helped the people who helped him.
And don't say, "those prisoners deserved to be in there." How do you know that? Bane farking put them in there. Do you think he's a good arbiter of right and wrong?


he didn't wear the rope the final time. That was the point. If you wore the rope you had a safety net.

Now just like the "how did he get back to Gotham with no resources?" questioners I will accept a rebuttal of "He's the goddamn Batman, he could've found a way to make it happen if he wanted" response to that. He could've found something to drop down to them
 
2012-07-31 01:21:22 AM

Jim_Callahan: Tiber727: How did Bane know about the secret warehouse under Wayne Enterprises?

Talia al'Ghul, who is the one in charge of the League of Shadows, has been involved with Wayne enterprises for some time, iirc at least partially as a board member even before the events of the movie. Getting some building schematics and going "hey, there's unallocated space there" then finding out what's in said space isn't rocket science when you're not only on the board of the company, but also have an army of ninjas and spies.

If your greatest fear about a prototype nuclear reactor is that it can be turned into a weapon, why make it removable from the container that prevents that from happening? And why build this fancy display that will perfectly count down to when it blows up?

The very existence of the device is pure pseudoscience and that's being charitable, so if you accept its existence at all it doesn't really make sense to ponder its design specs. The safety system (to flood the room when irregularities like the core removal occur) was disabled by Talia.

How did that copter manage to outrun missiles anyway?

Well, they're Bat-missiles, i.e. miniature kamikaze drones with some solid AI. Assumably you have to make them slow enough for the AI's guidance process, targeting algorithm, and image processing to keep them on target. Batman's obsessively concerned with minimizing non-criminal casualties, using unguided missiles would mean hitting buildings and using heat-guided missiles, which would also be fairly fast, would be a bad idea in a city (i.e. giant concrete pad covered in large heat sources) for similar reasons.

And lastly, why did Batman decide to forgo the use of pretty much all gadgets to engage the bad guy in a straight-up fistfight?

Nolan's Bruce Wayne is technically inept and a farking moron. The character's been pretty consistent from the start, did you miss the first two movies where he couldn't do even the most basic detective work and had to come begging to Fox to rig his cowl to turn, or had to crash his personal car into a police vehicle to resolve a mole when paying the guy off was trivial? Or the part where his girlfriend died because he waited politely for a terrorist to give him clues instead of going out with a basic mass spectrometer and finding both captives in half the time? Maybe you remember him stupidly leaping onto a train that runs on a monorail, i.e. it has an external power source that can be easily cut off remotely by someone with, say, a car that shoots missiles and a way to figure out where the physical power connections are?

Batman's abject stupidity is the major driving force of the action in the Nolan movies.


How would a mass spec help?
 
2012-07-31 01:21:28 AM

GreenAdder: Those goons of Bane's didn't spill the beans about Bruce? Sure, they were loyal to him and Talia during the big showdown. But now that they're leaderless and rudderless, they're not going to talk?

And isn't Gordon just trading one lie for another? Did he not learn his lesson after upholding his eight-year lie about Dent?


My biggest quibble was the story was basically driven that the lie of Dent's death was what broke Wayne and Gordon. In the real world environment Nolan created, I think they'd both be ok with that lie.
 
2012-07-31 01:23:01 AM

Digitalstrange: GreenAdder: Why didn't Batman lower the goddamn rope once he got to the top of the pit? He could have helped the people who helped him.
And don't say, "those prisoners deserved to be in there." How do you know that? Bane farking put them in there. Do you think he's a good arbiter of right and wrong?

he didn't wear the rope the final time. That was the point. If you wore the rope you had a safety net.


Except for the *giant* pile of coiled rope right by the edge at the top as he climbed out that he chose not to lower back in...
 
2012-07-31 01:23:23 AM

stoli n coke: Bonanza Jellybean: My issue: If you were gonna blow up Gotham anyway, why not trigger it as soon as you see the flaming bat emblem? Why wait until Batman is already within arm's-length of farking up your plans? Obviously, it was written this way to build up to the (ooh, ah) Talia reveal (an utter cop-out), but come on.

The main thing would be that it wasn't Bane's decision to make.

That's something a lot of people are having a hard time getting. Bane was never the villain in this. He was Talia's henchman. Granted, a lieutenant, but still a henchman. Everything he did was the means to accomplishing her plan, which was to avenge her father and finish his work.

Plus, since she was masquerading as just another one of the captives, odds are she didn't see the signal, so she wouldn't know to push the button.


No, but she did see Bruce before that when Bruce and Kyle freed Fox from Bane's henchmen, before Bruce suited up as the Bat again to save Gordon. Miranda obviously knew who Bruce was and should have at least accelerated the plan if not detonated the bomb right then. But we need the drama, and a horrible speech about a patient knife.
 
2012-07-31 01:27:17 AM

BafflerMeal: Digitalstrange: GreenAdder: Why didn't Batman lower the goddamn rope once he got to the top of the pit? He could have helped the people who helped him.
And don't say, "those prisoners deserved to be in there." How do you know that? Bane farking put them in there. Do you think he's a good arbiter of right and wrong?

he didn't wear the rope the final time. That was the point. If you wore the rope you had a safety net.

Except for the *giant* pile of coiled rope right by the edge at the top as he climbed out that he chose not to lower back in...


Yeah....except that he did throw that giant pile of coiled rope back down into the pit.
 
2012-07-31 01:28:52 AM

Imperious Rex!: BafflerMeal: Digitalstrange: GreenAdder: Why didn't Batman lower the goddamn rope once he got to the top of the pit? He could have helped the people who helped him.
And don't say, "those prisoners deserved to be in there." How do you know that? Bane farking put them in there. Do you think he's a good arbiter of right and wrong?

he didn't wear the rope the final time. That was the point. If you wore the rope you had a safety net.

Except for the *giant* pile of coiled rope right by the edge at the top as he climbed out that he chose not to lower back in...

Yeah....except that he did throw that giant pile of coiled rope back down into the pit.


Hrm. I'm a pretty observant viewer and I missed that then. I was even thinking to myself at the time, "Wait? He's not going to throw that rope back?". Hrm. Will have to pay closer attention in a second viewing.
 
2012-07-31 01:29:12 AM

BafflerMeal: Digitalstrange: GreenAdder: Why didn't Batman lower the goddamn rope once he got to the top of the pit? He could have helped the people who helped him.
And don't say, "those prisoners deserved to be in there." How do you know that? Bane farking put them in there. Do you think he's a good arbiter of right and wrong?

he didn't wear the rope the final time. That was the point. If you wore the rope you had a safety net.

Except for the *giant* pile of coiled rope right by the edge at the top as he climbed out that he chose not to lower back in...


Exactly. Thank you for this. But apparently I was "checking my Facebook status" during that scene that clearly shows him not lowering a rope to help any of the prisoners.
 
2012-07-31 01:30:11 AM

BafflerMeal: Except (part 2) he was out again as one of the 'guards' on the boat full of inmates which means he was probably working with the Joker as an inside man. I'm surprised how few people notice this when the camera lingers on him...


This guy? Link

Not him...
 
2012-07-31 01:30:38 AM

Digitalstrange: GreenAdder: Why didn't Batman lower the goddamn rope once he got to the top of the pit? He could have helped the people who helped him.
And don't say, "those prisoners deserved to be in there." How do you know that? Bane farking put them in there. Do you think he's a good arbiter of right and wrong?

he didn't wear the rope the final time. That was the point. If you wore the rope you had a safety net.

Now just like the "how did he get back to Gotham with no resources?" questioners I will accept a rebuttal of "He's the goddamn Batman, he could've found a way to make it happen if he wanted" response to that. He could've found something to drop down to them


Something like the rope that he clearly did drop down to them in that scene?
 
2012-07-31 01:31:08 AM

BafflerMeal: Imperious Rex!: BafflerMeal: Digitalstrange: GreenAdder: Why didn't Batman lower the goddamn rope once he got to the top of the pit? He could have helped the people who helped him.
And don't say, "those prisoners deserved to be in there." How do you know that? Bane farking put them in there. Do you think he's a good arbiter of right and wrong?

he didn't wear the rope the final time. That was the point. If you wore the rope you had a safety net.

Except for the *giant* pile of coiled rope right by the edge at the top as he climbed out that he chose not to lower back in...

Yeah....except that he did throw that giant pile of coiled rope back down into the pit.

Hrm. I'm a pretty observant viewer and I missed that then. I was even thinking to myself at the time, "Wait? He's not going to throw that rope back?". Hrm. Will have to pay closer attention in a second viewing.


I guess it could be easy to miss, it's not like they made a big deal out of it. He just kinda pushes it over the edge back into the pit.
 
2012-07-31 01:31:14 AM

farkityfarker: They forgot "Why would anyone go see a movie about a man who dresses up in a silly bat costume to fight crime?"


You're boring. Your go-to comment isn't witty or effective, so stop going to it.
 
2012-07-31 01:32:20 AM

dai the flu: BafflerMeal: Except (part 2) he was out again as one of the 'guards' on the boat full of inmates which means he was probably working with the Joker as an inside man. I'm surprised how few people notice this when the camera lingers on him...

This guy? Link

Not him...


Good catch. Thanks for the correction. It must have been the supple pouty lips...
 
2012-07-31 01:33:14 AM

GreenAdder: Why didn't Batman lower the goddamn rope once he got to the top of the pit? He could have helped the people who helped him.
And don't say, "those prisoners deserved to be in there." How do you know that? Bane farking put them in there. Do you think he's a good arbiter of right and wrong?


Actually, Batman being a complete asshole to anyone he even suspects is a criminal is pretty spot-on for his comics personality for at least the last couple of decades. He's been a lot less "gadzooks, the riddler is caught in his own trap. Quick, Robin, bring me the bat-wire-cutters before he loses his head!" and a lot more "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you *shoves shoplifter off building*" since the movie from the late '80s came out.

What bothered me was why the prisoners hadn't escaped long ago. They had plenty of extra rope and metal things, while using the one rope hanging down to string a basic network isn't necessarily easy, it's not Sherpa-level mountaineering either.

Also, for reference, if you're ever in the bat-situation Bale found himself in there, either rig a rope ascender (something a super-ninja should find trivial) or just grab the damned thing and use the rope to climb. For instance, that unjumpable jump of doom? Pull yourself up with the rope (which is hanging from basically directly above at the time, giving you a good arc without it pulling sideways) about two feet and just walk over to the other ledge. It may take a couple swings back and forth, but you'll get there. You know why people doing actual climbing don't do things like this? Because it's so easy it's considered cheating. Anyone with half-decent upper-body strength and no debilitating fear of heights can do it. I can do it, and I'm a damned office worker (ok, technically it's a laboratory, but I have a desk and I write shiat all day).
 
2012-07-31 01:33:25 AM

Imperious Rex!: BafflerMeal: Digitalstrange: GreenAdder: Why didn't Batman lower the goddamn rope once he got to the top of the pit? He could have helped the people who helped him.
And don't say, "those prisoners deserved to be in there." How do you know that? Bane farking put them in there. Do you think he's a good arbiter of right and wrong?

he didn't wear the rope the final time. That was the point. If you wore the rope you had a safety net.

Except for the *giant* pile of coiled rope right by the edge at the top as he climbed out that he chose not to lower back in...

Yeah....except that he did throw that giant pile of coiled rope back down into the pit.


cdn.overclock.net
 
2012-07-31 01:33:59 AM

BafflerMeal: GreenAdder: Those goons of Bane's didn't spill the beans about Bruce? Sure, they were loyal to him and Talia during the big showdown. But now that they're leaderless and rudderless, they're not going to talk?

And isn't Gordon just trading one lie for another? Did he not learn his lesson after upholding his eight-year lie about Dent?

My biggest quibble was the story was basically driven that the lie of Dent's death was what broke Wayne and Gordon. In the real world environment Nolan created, I think they'd both be ok with that lie.


Rachel's death is what broke Bruce, not the Dent lie. (Which IS very unBatmanlike I admit) but the very upright Gordon character built in this version being haunted by basing his entire run as police commisioner on a lie would bother him alot.
 
2012-07-31 01:35:33 AM

BafflerMeal: dai the flu: BafflerMeal: Except (part 2) he was out again as one of the 'guards' on the boat full of inmates which means he was probably working with the Joker as an inside man. I'm surprised how few people notice this when the camera lingers on him...

This guy? Link

Not him...

Good catch. Thanks for the correction. It must have been the supple pouty lips...


I watched it five times to be sure, similarly shaped face me thinks.
 
2012-07-31 01:36:48 AM
Riddle me this: Why did a bunch of completely clean-shaven cops come out of that hole after three months of captivity? Was Blake considerate enough to lower razors and shaving cream along with those messages?
 
2012-07-31 01:38:44 AM

GreenAdder: Riddle me this: Why did a bunch of completely clean-shaven cops come out of that hole after three months of captivity? Was Blake considerate enough to lower razors and shaving cream along with those messages?


Damn straight. That's why he's Robin.
 
2012-07-31 01:38:59 AM

GreenAdder: BafflerMeal: Digitalstrange: GreenAdder: Why didn't Batman lower the goddamn rope once he got to the top of the pit? He could have helped the people who helped him.
And don't say, "those prisoners deserved to be in there." How do you know that? Bane farking put them in there. Do you think he's a good arbiter of right and wrong?

he didn't wear the rope the final time. That was the point. If you wore the rope you had a safety net.

Except for the *giant* pile of coiled rope right by the edge at the top as he climbed out that he chose not to lower back in...

Exactly. Thank you for this. But apparently I was "checking my Facebook status" during that scene that clearly shows him not lowering a rope to help any of the prisoners.


Umm no, he threw it in. I remember thinking WTF is he doing? All those criminals are going to climb out. Later somebody told me Bane/The League probably imprisoned most of them unjustly.
 
2012-07-31 01:39:50 AM

GreenAdder: Riddle me this: Why did a bunch of completely clean-shaven cops come out of that hole after three months of captivity? Was Blake considerate enough to lower razors and shaving cream along with those messages?


Same reason Bruce didn't lose any muscle mass after being immobile for at least a month and why the hair on his head didn't seem to get any longer at the end of his incarceration than it was when he was thrown in....because of those damned stylists and trainers, always ruining movies with their need to make sure people look as good as they can at all times.
 
2012-07-31 01:40:27 AM

mgshamster: how would a mass-spec help?


Well, I'm assuming a bat-mass-spec (i.e. an unfeasibly good one with the computing power to do matching analysis unfeasibly rapidly on its own). Take residue for the explosives he made off the Joker, who never farking bathes apparently anyhow, stick the spectrum in there, joyride around in the super-car for a bit with the collector hanging out the window, possibly tied to the collar of a well-entertained bat-dog of some kind.

With instrumental specificity on the order demonstrated by reassembling a shattered bullet and reconstructing a fingerprint from smeared hand-oils that should have been sheared off by deformation and impact, I'd put the over/under on finding the primer explosives necessary to ignite all the barrels of concentrated hollywood bullshiat in the warehouses at about five minutes.
 
2012-07-31 01:40:28 AM
"Yeah, so you accept that there's a guy in a costume beating everyone up but one of the citizens on the street pooping an anti-fusion reactor is soooo crazy, huh?" That's what that article sounds like. Yes, certain shiat breaks your immersion. If I'm watching the scene in Fight Club where they're hitting golf balls off the roof, and one of the golf balls morphs into a dragon and takes Ed Norton to Hell to fight demons, I'm going to wonder what the fark is going on.
 
2012-07-31 01:42:23 AM
My girlfriends biggest issue with TDKR was a two parter:

First, about the likelyhood of the helicopter travelling at least 3 miles out into the ocean carrying the aforementioned "bomb" in the short period of time (I didnt have time to get my stopwatch out to time it) before it exploded, leading me to...

Secondly, no one commented at all about what massive damage that bomb has done to the Atlantic, or the fallout that is likely to rain back on New Yo- I mean Gotham.
 
2012-07-31 01:42:32 AM

GreenAdder: Riddle me this: Why did a bunch of completely clean-shaven cops come out of that hole after three months of captivity? Was Blake considerate enough to lower razors and shaving cream along with those messages?


Well, he was giving them food and drums of water. Given the risk of disease from being underground for months, it's not inconceivable that soap and a few toiletries would be included in the supply drops. He may have been a little sympathetic for people imprisoned underground because of his own circumstances.

A bigger question is, how was Bane clean shaven during his time in the pit?
 
2012-07-31 01:43:24 AM
Just wanted to duck in and say I saw the movie about 2 hours ago, and he clearly chucked the coil of rope down for the prisoners.

That said, I refuse to believe that Gordon didn't already know Bruce was Batman and had to basically have that info handed to him at the end.
 
2012-07-31 01:43:46 AM
and please, climbers enlighten me. Farking Tom Cruise did his own stunts on a cliff face for MI3 that went upside down. This was a straight cylinder that looked to have plenty of crags for handholds. Why the leap? Why not just keep climbing a perfectly level wall with plenty of texture for handholds? particularly for ninjas like Bruce Wayne, Talia Al Gul, and Bane
 
2012-07-31 01:44:15 AM

stoli n coke: A bigger question is, how was Bane clean shaven during his time in the pit?


I think the movie would have been more believable if Bane had a hairy back.
 
2012-07-31 01:45:35 AM

Jim_Callahan: mgshamster: how would a mass-spec help?

Well, I'm assuming a bat-mass-spec (i.e. an unfeasibly good one with the computing power to do matching analysis unfeasibly rapidly on its own). Take residue for the explosives he made off the Joker, who never farking bathes apparently anyhow, stick the spectrum in there, joyride around in the super-car for a bit with the collector hanging out the window, possibly tied to the collar of a well-entertained bat-dog of some kind.

With instrumental specificity on the order demonstrated by reassembling a shattered bullet and reconstructing a fingerprint from smeared hand-oils that should have been sheared off by deformation and impact, I'd put the over/under on finding the primer explosives necessary to ignite all the barrels of concentrated hollywood bullshiat in the warehouses at about five minutes.


Fair enough. Also, if you take into account how quickly the poison was identified and an antidote was made in part 1, a ms that fast would make sense.

/like bruce would know how to use or read one.
 
2012-07-31 01:46:33 AM

SilentBobCDN: My girlfriends biggest issue with TDKR was a two parter:

First, about the likelyhood of the helicopter travelling at least 3 miles out into the ocean carrying the aforementioned "bomb" in the short period of time (I didnt have time to get my stopwatch out to time it) before it exploded, leading me to...

Secondly, no one commented at all about what massive damage that bomb has done to the Atlantic, or the fallout that is likely to rain back on New Yo- I mean Gotham.

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Mmmmm. Tasty.
 
2012-07-31 01:48:33 AM

BafflerMeal: Except for the *giant* pile of coiled rope right by the edge at the top as he climbed out that he chose not to lower back in...


You must have seen the "not helping" cut. The version I saw, he CLEARLY knocked a massive coil of rope down into the pit.
 
2012-07-31 01:49:31 AM

stoli n coke: GreenAdder: Riddle me this: Why did a bunch of completely clean-shaven cops come out of that hole after three months of captivity? Was Blake considerate enough to lower razors and shaving cream along with those messages?

Well, he was giving them food and drums of water. Given the risk of disease from being underground for months, it's not inconceivable that soap and a few toiletries would be included in the supply drops. He may have been a little sympathetic for people imprisoned underground because of his own circumstances.

A bigger question is, how was Bane clean shaven during his time in the pit?


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Alopecia?
 
2012-07-31 01:53:57 AM
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Rob says: "I think the movie would have been better with more pouches on everyone. Like in the comics. We just get Bruce Wayne out of the way, have someone else play Batman, and..."
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"See how much cooler that would have made the movie? We just need to make it a little more realistic so it works in a movie setting."
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"Yeah! Now that's a Batman worth my $8.50. Imagine that guy beating up Bane instead of Christian Bale. That would have made the movie at least one hundred times more awesome. If I'm lying, I'm drawing feet."
 
2012-07-31 01:56:31 AM

mgshamster: Fair enough. Also, if you take into account how quickly the poison was identified and an antidote was made in part 1, a ms that fast would make sense.

/like bruce would know how to use or read one.


Like I said, I'm just pointing out that Nolan's Batman is an idiot, I don't actually have a problem with this as I kind of regard them as pure action movies rather than detective movies. I might be more upset about the intelligence part of the comic book version of the character not showing up, but there are two recent actual Sherlock Holmes movies out that actually get the mix of physical and intellectual badassery and sheer crazy pretty much spot-on perfect, so I'm not that worried about a derivative character keeping consistent with the source. If the movies are going to have Batman be less Holmes and more McClane, that's cool, I can dig it.
 
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