DeltaPunch: oops, subby was looking for this: [img1.fark.net image 54x11]

Mine had the hero tag...

Hurr durr they're just saying that to get re-elected. Both parties. The Same. Derp derp derp derp derp.

whidbey: Hurr durr they're just saying that to get re-elected. Both parties. The Same. Derp derp derp derp derp.

THIS...
If there was real support there would be legislation submitted already

The Jami Turman Fan Club: skullkrusher: The Biden trial balloon delivered more info than Voyager

Yeah, that was well done.

I wouldn't call the Democrats spineless. I'd call them...opportunists. Invertebrate opportunists. They know the right thing to do, but they'll only do it if they won't lose votes. Still better than doing the wrong thing.

well, if you think about it BO was neutral to negative on gay rights when he was running for Pres and he signed the repeal of DADT into law as well as other legislation covering the domestic partners of federal employees so running as an out of the closet gay rights supporter is not really necessary to achieve positive change. The Dems don't see a downside to it now so they might as well run with it in the open

Spaz-master: whidbey: Hurr durr they're just saying that to get re-elected. Both parties. The Same. Derp derp derp derp derp.

THIS...
If there was real support there would be legislation submitted already

Pretty sure you're unaware of what you're actually "THIS"-ing here.

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: So, my choices between the two major parties are either A) a spineless group that adopts what should be a non issue for the sake of political points but happens to be on the right side of history OR B) a spineless group that adopts what should be a non issue for the sake of political points but happens to be on the wrong side of history.

To be fair, they are spineless for a reason, because their jobs depend their stances being not too far out of line with what the voters want. It's similar to why there almost no (publicly) atheist politicians.

And the Republicans lose another made-up issue to biatch and whine about. I'm sure we'll hear more of their insanity whenever we go to get our oil changed and the like.

Weaver95: I just don't see how 'gay marriage' is a conservative issue. it's not costing us any money, it's not hurting anyone, it's definitely not the job of government to get involved in anyone's lifestyle choices...it's just NOT a conservative issue.

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Businesses seem to think it's costing them money. You'd think the Republicans would have noticed by now.

skullkrusher: StopLurkListen: Ambivalence: Weaver95: I just don't see how 'gay marriage' is a conservative issue. it's not costing us any money, it's not hurting anyone, it's definitely not the job of government to get involved in anyone's lifestyle choices...it's just NOT a conservative issue.

If conservatives were consistant you'd be correct. However they are not so you have these wacky ideas like being against gay marriage and outlawing abortion or contraception and legislating women's uteri (is that the plural for uterus? Uteruses doesn't sound right).

It's "uteruses."

The "ii" Latin pluralization is only for latin words. For example, "viruses" is OK too.

"uterus" is a Latin word. Either "uteri" or "uteruses" are acceptable

Nah, English has lots of borrowed words. Once they're appropriated they conform to contemporary grammar.

Lots of people will use the plural "i" because they were once told it's the thing to do but it's unnecessary, like double spacing after a period.

Weaver95: I just don't see how 'gay marriage' is a conservative issue. it's not costing us any money, it's not hurting anyone, it's definitely not the job of government to get involved in anyone's lifestyle choices...it's just NOT a conservative issue.

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them." -- Some RINO

What goes on in your bedroom has been a Conservative issue for decades.

StopLurkListen: Nah, English has lots of borrowed words. Once they're appropriated they conform to contemporary grammar.

dunno what to tell you. Both are acceptable.

StopLurkListen: Lots of people will use the plural "i" because they were once told it's the thing to do but it's unnecessary, like double spacing after a period.

you can pry the second space after a period from my cold, dead hands

StopLurkListen:
Lots of people will use the plural "i" because they were once told it's the thing to do but it's unnecessary, like double spacing after a period.

Double spacing after a period is actually wrong though unless you are using a monospaced font. In the case of uteruses vs. uteri, either one works. What doesn't work is assuming every word ending with us automatically becomes i whether it came from latin or not. The plural of Jesus isn't Jesi and the plural of virus isn't viri.

Kevin72: Can we please call it "same gender" marriage and not "gay" marriage or even "same sex" marriage? Please? It's about a lifetime commitment to love and partnership, not about a commitment to sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex.

I finished your post in Mick Jagger's voice singing Shattered. Good song.

DeltaPunch: oops, subby was looking for this: [img1.fark.net image 54x11]

Yeah, no. Making a change to the platform at some real cost to their bottom line (voting base) would be being heroic, making a change to the platform to keep it in line with the typical stance of the majority of Americans, especially those on the left end of the political spectrum, is just not being ridiculously incompetent at politics.

If all you have to do to be a hero is not suck so much at something that you injure yourself doing it, I earned like 400 medals just today.

The Republican platform has the exact opposite - they oppose same-sex marriage completely.

If you vote for a Republican candidate for tax reasons, that's fine, but understand that you are now officially saying that you value slightly lower tax rates more than your fellow American's freedom from discrimination. It's your right to feel that way, but own up to it.

Aarontology: Democrats. Bravely taking a stand when it's politically convenient.

Yup. I support the Dems but this should have been done long ago, especially considering the lip service they paid(no pun intended). I'm sure they know that, perhaps they were saving it, the blind hatred from the other side made possible only so much of "the right thing to do" at one time.

revrendjim: nekom: Now if only more people would move from "Meh, I don't have a problem with it" to "I would like to see it legalized", they'd be in business.

You're talking about weed now, right?

We're talking about a lot of things

meat0918: revrendjim: nekom: Now if only more people would move from "Meh, I don't have a problem with it" to "I would like to see it legalized", they'd be in business.

You're talking about weed now, right?

We're talking about a lot of things

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Better they do the right thing as a political move than the wrong. Which is what the GOP is doing, the wrong thing for politics. Anyone crying about it being political shouldn't follow politics. It's kinda what they do.

Weaver95: maybe if we scrub the jesus out of the GOP they'll be ok again.

Changing hooks isn't going to stop them from landing fish.

Aarontology: Democrats. Bravely taking a stand when it's politically convenient.

What do you expect out of a moderate/right party?

Weaver95: I just don't see how 'gay marriage' is a conservative issue. it's not costing us any money, it's not hurting anyone, it's definitely not the job of government to get involved in anyone's lifestyle choices...it's just NOT a conservative issue.

You're right, its not a conservative issue. It's a Republican issue. Well since the Republicans married the evangelicals, it's more like the republican wife's issue.

/Wait... is she a dude?

Hey LGBT community! The dems are just pandering for your vote, it's an election year. The anti-gay stance we resume in december.

Weaver95: maybe if we scrub the jesus out of the GOP they'll be ok again.

You know better. Reagan and the rest GOP got in bed with the fundie evangelical nutbags, and there's no going back now. Any "moderate" republican left now is just being willfully ignorant to think otherwise.

Bossk'sSegway: Hey LGBT community! The dems are just pandering for your vote, it's an election year. The anti-gay stance we resume in december.

So they should vote Republican, the party who doesn't even pretend to care about them, and, in fact, actively demonizes them?

Expedience, exshmedience. The Democrats take a giant step in the direction of defending the basic rights of citizens. Any true patriot ought to applaud this.

Lord Dimwit: If you vote for a Republican candidate for tax reasons, that's fine, but understand that you are now officially saying that you value slightly lower tax rates more than your fellow American's freedom from discrimination. It's your right to feel that way, but own up to it.

So-called "moderate" republicans are nothing but spineless pussies. They're too wimpy to stand up to the fundie nutbags that control the GOP, but will vote straight ticket republican regardless.

Bossk'sSegway: Hey LGBT community! The dems are just pandering for your vote, it's an election year. The anti-gay stance we resume in december.

This is honestly the dumbest thing I have ever seen on Fark. So, good job?

Johnny Swank: Lord Dimwit: If you vote for a Republican candidate for tax reasons, that's fine, but understand that you are now officially saying that you value slightly lower tax rates more than your fellow American's freedom from discrimination. It's your right to feel that way, but own up to it.

So-called "moderate" republicans are nothing but spineless pussies. They're too wimpy to stand up to the fundie nutbags that control the GOP, but will vote straight ticket republican regardless.

I had a guy here on Fark tell me that LGBT voters should still vote Republican because, even though the Republican Party is controlled by the religious bigots, the current of individualism still flows strong through the Party, meaning their other rights will be better respected, whereas the Democratic Party only does what's right for "the hive". I provided numerous examples where the Republican Party has been far worse on civil rights (and not just for the LGBT community), but somehow that didn't sway him.

My father-in-law makes the same sort of argument pretty regularly. He says he votes Republican because "they just let you be, they don't meddle." I always respond with "unless you're gay, an atheist, a liberal, a Muslim, a foreigner, a Hispanic-looking American, or a woman."

Weaver95: I just don't see how 'gay marriage' is a conservative issue. it's not costing us any money, it's not hurting anyone, it's definitely not the job of government to get involved in anyone's lifestyle choices...it's just NOT a conservative issue.

"job creators" don't like it cause it means that many more people getting on insurance rolls as family members.

Kevin72: Can we please call it "same gender" marriage and not "gay" marriage or even "same sex" marriage? Please? It's about a lifetime commitment to love and partnership, not about a commitment to sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex.

I can safely say that, after getting married, I'm well aware that it's not about sex. At all. Ever.

Johnny Swank: Lord Dimwit: If you vote for a Republican candidate for tax reasons, that's fine, but understand that you are now officially saying that you value slightly lower tax rates more than your fellow American's freedom from discrimination. It's your right to feel that way, but own up to it.

So-called "moderate" republicans are nothing but spineless pussies. They're too wimpy to stand up to the fundie nutbags that control the GOP, but will vote straight ticket republican regardless.

So called "moderate" Democrats are nothing but spineless pussies. They're too wimpy to stand up to the fundie nutbags that control the GOP, but will tell you that they want to.

So called "US politicians" are nothing but spineless pussies. They're too wimpy to stand up to their corporate backers, but will vote however they are told to regardless.

tudorgurl: DeltaPunch: oops, subby was looking for this: [img1.fark.net image 54x11]

Mine had the hero tag...

lol, subby here, I was correcting myself, before it was green. :)

I'm seriously thinking Democrats took one look at the photo of Palin in the Chik-fil-A and said "f*ck yaaaa, let's run with this!!!!"

ZombieApocalypseKitten: The Democrats are trying to make sure that Gary Johnson isn't the only pro-marriage candidate. I don't think they would have taken a stand on it otherwise since there would not be a need to.

Gary Johnson

I like most of what Gary Johnson stands for, but from my understanding his view on same-same marriage is that the states should have their own marriage laws which, unfortunately, like abortion, does more damage in practice than a complete ban

ox45tallboy: rudemix: Better they do the right thing as a political move than the wrong. Which is what the GOP is doing, the wrong thing for politics. Anyone crying about it being political shouldn't follow politics. It's kinda what they do.

But in a representative form of government like we have, isn't it their job to represent their constituents? Many have law degrees, and understand the impartiality necessary to act as a Defense Attorney for a child rapist. You're not saying that what the child rapist did was okay, you're making sure that he gets a fair trial. Just like the Republican representatives don't all necessary feel that marriage inequality is wrong, but they are ensuring that those that do (their constituents) are receiving a fair voice in government.

Maybe, but their constituents are bad and they should feel bad. Seriously, though, while bigots deserve to be heard in the democratic process just like everyone else, nobody forces you to be a Congresscritter. If you run for Congress on the Republican platform, you are saying that slightly lower taxes and unreasonable demands for birth certificates are more important than equality before the law. It's your right to feel that way, but own up to it.