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(Salon)   The winds of change are blowing: Democrats to formally include support for gay marriage in the official party platform   (salon.com) divider line 438
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2012-07-30 06:34:08 PM
oops, subby was looking for this: img1.fark.net
 
2012-07-30 08:16:19 PM
Now if only more people would move from "Meh, I don't have a problem with it" to "I would like to see it legalized", they'd be in business.
 
2012-07-30 08:37:34 PM

nekom: Now if only more people would move from "Meh, I don't have a problem with it" to "I would like to see it legalized", they'd be in business.


You're talking about weed now, right?
 
2012-07-30 08:53:38 PM
It makes sense. Polling has finally flipped to the majority for all Americans, and since the Democratic base has been clamoring for it for years, it's an easy decision. There aren't any down-sides.
 
2012-07-30 08:57:02 PM

revrendjim: nekom: Now if only more people would move from "Meh, I don't have a problem with it" to "I would like to see it legalized", they'd be in business.

You're talking about weed now, right?


The same situation sort of applies there, actually.

But as for gay marriage, it seems to me that the number of people who would say "I oppose it!" is WAY down, but the number of people who say "I support it!" hasn't climbed with the drop in the other, but rather the number of people who say "Meh, let them get married, don't let them get married, what do I care?" seems to have swelled their ranks. If people were required by law to give a shiat one way or the other, equal rights for homosexuals would probably already exist in all 50 states.
 
2012-07-30 08:58:41 PM
The Republicans will only go as far as supporting getting blowjobs in rest stop men's rooms in their platform.
 
2012-07-30 09:02:42 PM
Democrats. Bravely taking a stand when it's politically convenient.
 
2012-07-30 09:06:44 PM
Can we please call it "same gender" marriage and not "gay" marriage or even "same sex" marriage? Please? It's about a lifetime commitment to love and partnership, not about a commitment to sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex.
 
2012-07-30 09:09:56 PM

Aarontology: Democrats. Bravely taking a stand when it's politically convenient.


Better late than never.
 
2012-07-30 09:10:01 PM

Kevin72: Can we please call it "same gender" marriage and not "gay" marriage or even "same sex" marriage? Please? It's about a lifetime commitment to love and partnership, not about a commitment to sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex.


Oh brother.
 
2012-07-30 09:10:46 PM

nekom: But as for gay marriage, it seems to me that the number of people who would say "I oppose it!" is WAY down, but the number of people who say "I support it!" hasn't climbed with the drop in the other, but rather the number of people who say "Meh, let them get married, don't let them get married, what do I care?" seems to have swelled their ranks.


The GSS data seems to suggest you're deluding yourself. "Meh" has been a relatively steady percentage since the earliest polling on the question in 1988 -- and declines slghtly.

nekom: If people were required by law to give a shiat one way or the other, equal rights for homosexuals would probably already exist in all 50 states.


Again, data suggests otherwise, presuming the "meh" split proportionately. Most of the US, perhaps; but not the South.

nekom: The same situation sort of applies there, actually.


Possibly similar; but not quite so far along.
 
2012-07-30 09:15:01 PM

Aarontology: Democrats. Bravely taking a stand when it's politically convenient.


Versus the GOP which will continue to be on the wrong side of history until the last republican that can remember when "those gays were kept in their place" is dead.
 
2012-07-30 09:15:45 PM

Aarontology: Democrats. Bravely taking a stand when it's politically convenient.


True. But that's a politician's trait, not just a Democratic one. Also, Democrats deserve at least partial credit for not actively opposing teh homogheys and vilifying them for political gain. That it's no "official" is just an affirmation of what we already knew. A technicality, if you will.
 
2012-07-30 09:16:16 PM

SilentStrider: Aarontology: Democrats. Bravely taking a stand when it's politically convenient.

Better late than never.


Very true.
 
2012-07-30 09:17:06 PM
now official
 
2012-07-30 09:19:11 PM
Fabulous!
 
2012-07-30 09:19:50 PM

Kevin72: Can we please call it "same gender" marriage and not "gay" marriage or even "same sex" marriage? Please? It's about a lifetime commitment to love and partnership, not about a commitment to sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex.


You know how people complain that activists will never be happy no matter what concessions or changes are made, and then use that as reason to not make any changes at all? You're the reason why.
 
2012-07-30 09:20:08 PM

Dinki: Versus the GOP which will continue to be on the wrong side of history until the last republican that can remember when "those gays were kept in their place" is dead.


No, they'll eventually try to take credit for it somehow. Probably by pointing to Romney and Rell being GOP governors of states when it was legalized.

dickfreckle: True. But that's a politician's trait, not just a Democratic one. Also, Democrats deserve at least partial credit for not actively opposing teh homogheys and vilifying them for political gain. That it's no "official" is just an affirmation of what we already knew. A technicality, if you will.


True.
 
2012-07-30 09:22:49 PM
Mark Matthews is feeling left out by the close minded biggots.
 
2012-07-30 09:29:16 PM

Kevin72: Can we please call it "same gender" marriage and not "gay" marriage or even "same sex" marriage? Please? It's about a lifetime commitment to love and partnership, not about a commitment to sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex.


This just in: no.

Really, THAT'S the detail you want to focus on?
 
2012-07-30 09:35:39 PM

Kevin72: Can we please call it "same gender" marriage and not "gay" marriage or even "same sex" marriage? Please? It's about a lifetime commitment to love and partnership, not about a commitment to sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex and sex.


How about if we just call it marriage? If we must specify for the purposes of a political platform, we can say "marriage equality."
 
2012-07-30 09:37:54 PM
I just don't see how 'gay marriage' is a conservative issue. it's not costing us any money, it's not hurting anyone, it's definitely not the job of government to get involved in anyone's lifestyle choices...it's just NOT a conservative issue.
 
2012-07-30 09:39:02 PM

Weaver95: I just don't see how 'gay marriage' is a conservative issue. it's not costing us any money, it's not hurting anyone, it's definitely not the job of government to get involved in anyone's lifestyle choices...it's just NOT a conservative issue.


But Jesus
 
2012-07-30 09:39:34 PM

Weaver95: I just don't see how 'gay marriage' is a conservative issue. it's not costing us any money, it's not hurting anyone, it's definitely not the job of government to get involved in anyone's lifestyle choices...it's just NOT a conservative issue.


It is when "conservative" no longer actually has any connection with actual conservative political philosophy.
 
2012-07-30 09:39:34 PM

SilentStrider: Aarontology: Democrats. Bravely taking a stand when it's politically convenient.

Better late than never.


Better to be a leader for what's right than join in after others have done all the work to make it popular.
 
2012-07-30 09:44:52 PM

Weaver95: I just don't see how 'gay marriage' is a conservative issue. it's not costing us any money, it's not hurting anyone, it's definitely not the job of government to get involved in anyone's lifestyle choices...it's just NOT a conservative issue.


If conservatives were consistant you'd be correct. However they are not so you have these wacky ideas like being against gay marriage and outlawing abortion or contraception and legislating women's uteri (is that the plural for uterus? Uteruses doesn't sound right).
 
2012-07-30 09:45:17 PM

Di Atribe: Weaver95: I just don't see how 'gay marriage' is a conservative issue. it's not costing us any money, it's not hurting anyone, it's definitely not the job of government to get involved in anyone's lifestyle choices...it's just NOT a conservative issue.

But Jesus


And chicken sandwiches.
 
2012-07-30 09:45:44 PM

Di Atribe: Weaver95: I just don't see how 'gay marriage' is a conservative issue. it's not costing us any money, it's not hurting anyone, it's definitely not the job of government to get involved in anyone's lifestyle choices...it's just NOT a conservative issue.

But Jesus


maybe if we scrub the jesus out of the GOP they'll be ok again.
 
2012-07-30 09:47:39 PM

Weaver95: it's definitely not the job of government to get involved in anyone's lifestyle choices...it's just NOT a conservative issue.


But Republicans aren't Libertarians. Those are two different political parties. Does one have to be the latter to be the former?
 
2012-07-30 09:52:22 PM

Weaver95: Di Atribe: Weaver95: I just don't see how 'gay marriage' is a conservative issue. it's not costing us any money, it's not hurting anyone, it's definitely not the job of government to get involved in anyone's lifestyle choices...it's just NOT a conservative issue.

But Jesus

maybe if we scrub the jesus out of the GOP they'll be ok again.


It's nice to dream, isn't it?
 
2012-07-30 09:56:50 PM

Aarontology: Democrats. Bravely taking a stand when it's politically convenient.


Both Sides Are Bad So Vote Stein/Honkala?
 
2012-07-30 10:00:25 PM

Ambivalence: If conservatives were consistant you'd be correct. However they are not so you have these wacky ideas like being against gay marriage and outlawing abortion or contraception and legislating women's uteri (is that the plural for uterus? Uteruses doesn't sound right).


Since most women only have one, it seems unlikely to have to pluralize it, but here we are. Anyway, I think you're absolutely correct in that conservatives seem to always need an enemy. Some days it's the homogays, some days it's the dirty Mooslims, some days it's the satanic atheist. They need that wedge issue du jour to proclaim that if you are with us on issue A, you must be with us on issues B, C, & D and if you waver one bit, you are the enemy. It's like none of them have read 1984.


Weaver95: maybe if we scrub the jesus out of the GOP they'll be ok again.


There's no maybe about it
 
2012-07-30 10:02:22 PM
Democrats: We are all people who deserve equal rights.

Republicans: Critical thinking BAD!!
 
2012-07-30 10:16:59 PM
So, my choices between the two major parties are either A) a spineless group that adopts what should be a non issue for the sake of political points but happens to be on the right side of history OR B) a spineless group that adopts what should be a non issue for the sake of political points but happens to be on the wrong side of history.

Given that the first group doesn't staple teabags to their hats, I'd say my decision is pretty much locked in.
 
2012-07-30 10:23:20 PM
The Biden trial balloon delivered more info than Voyager
 
2012-07-30 10:27:35 PM
Great. Now I have a farking Scorpions song in my head.
 
2012-07-30 10:27:47 PM
Smoke the blue dogs out.
 
2012-07-30 10:27:55 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: So, my choices between the two major parties are either A) a spineless group that adopts what should be a non issue for the sake of political points but happens to be on the right side of history OR B) a spineless group that adopts what should be a non issue for the sake of political points but happens to be on the wrong side of history.

Given that the first group doesn't staple teabags to their hats, I'd say my decision is pretty much locked in.


Don't vote you can't change the system.
 
2012-07-30 10:28:57 PM
www.bilerico.com

/pro-gay
//straight, myself
///pardon me, that's pro-HUMAN
 
2012-07-30 10:30:24 PM

Ambivalence: Weaver95: I just don't see how 'gay marriage' is a conservative issue. it's not costing us any money, it's not hurting anyone, it's definitely not the job of government to get involved in anyone's lifestyle choices...it's just NOT a conservative issue.

If conservatives were consistant you'd be correct. However they are not so you have these wacky ideas like being against gay marriage and outlawing abortion or contraception and legislating women's uteri (is that the plural for uterus? Uteruses doesn't sound right).


It's "uteruses."

The "ii" Latin pluralization is only for latin words. For example, "viruses" is OK too.
 
2012-07-30 10:32:08 PM
Pretty sad to be Republican.
 
2012-07-30 10:32:54 PM

Ambivalence: If conservatives were consistant you'd be correct. However they are not so you have these wacky ideas like being against gay marriage and outlawing abortion or contraception and legislating women's uteri (is that the plural for uterus? Uteruses doesn't sound right).


You'd think a conservative would be pro-environment and anti-reckless breeding.
 
2012-07-30 10:33:03 PM
Now is it "Oh we are definitely gonna help you" or is it more of "We may help you maybe but we'll probably push you to the side and forget about you?"
 
2012-07-30 10:33:36 PM
Americans: world leaders in progressive thinking....Oh wait, about that.
 
2012-07-30 10:33:53 PM

StopLurkListen: Ambivalence: Weaver95: I just don't see how 'gay marriage' is a conservative issue. it's not costing us any money, it's not hurting anyone, it's definitely not the job of government to get involved in anyone's lifestyle choices...it's just NOT a conservative issue.

If conservatives were consistant you'd be correct. However they are not so you have these wacky ideas like being against gay marriage and outlawing abortion or contraception and legislating women's uteri (is that the plural for uterus? Uteruses doesn't sound right).

It's "uteruses."

The "ii" Latin pluralization is only for latin words. For example, "viruses" is OK too.


"uterus" is a Latin word. Either "uteri" or "uteruses" are acceptable
 
2012-07-30 10:34:48 PM
Thereby guaranteeing they lose NC, and eliminating any chance they had of holding control of the Senate or taking over the House.
 
2012-07-30 10:35:07 PM

WizardofToast: Now is it "Oh we are definitely gonna help you" or is it more of "We may help you maybe but we'll probably push you to the side and forget about you?"


Inorite? How IS that Equal Rights Amendment, anyway?
 
2012-07-30 10:35:11 PM

skullkrusher: "uterus" is a Latin word. Either "uteri" or "uteruses" are is acceptable


less Latin, more English
 
2012-07-30 10:36:16 PM

Di Atribe: Weaver95: maybe if we scrub the jesus out of the GOP they'll be ok again.

There's no maybe about it


You honestly believe that Jesus is the only problem with the Republican party? Is fellation of the wealthy still okay?
 
2012-07-30 10:37:23 PM

skullkrusher: The Biden trial balloon delivered more info than Voyager


Yeah, that was well done.

I wouldn't call the Democrats spineless. I'd call them...opportunists. Invertebrate opportunists. They know the right thing to do, but they'll only do it if they won't lose votes. Still better than doing the wrong thing.
 
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