If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Buzzfeed)   Worst Korean fencer refuses to accept defeat, defiantly stands on platform for over an hour until security forcibly removes her from the stadium   (buzzfeed.com) divider line 94
    More: Asinine, Korean, tibia, Lists of Olympic medalists, bronze medals  
•       •       •

7391 clicks; posted to Sports » on 30 Jul 2012 at 10:06 PM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



94 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-07-30 06:22:46 PM
Man I feel bad for her, but let's look at the tape:

Right after the woman says "allez":
img72.imageshack.us

Right after the beeping sound (you can see the red light):
img821.imageshack.us

Looks like 1 second to me. Also, I probably paused it as much after the "allez" as after the hearing the beep, so the offset is pretty close (that German woman lift her leg immediately). Now I don't know if they have a human that starts the clock after each round, of it's supposed to be machine-precision, but if the element of human error (the timekeeper) is a part of the sport (i.e. they don't do replays to check the nanoseconds) then there's nothing you can do about it. It may not be totally precise, but since this is a sport without possession, it should affect both fencers equally.
 
2012-07-30 06:46:23 PM
Well, considering it was still being contested, she was right to stand there. Stepping away would mean she conceded the match. And, I think it was her coach walking her out and not security.
 
2012-07-30 06:48:50 PM
So we now have our first actual Olympic controversy...Good. Gets boring to say "NBC sucks" over and over again, even if they earn it every time we say it.
 
2012-07-30 06:52:34 PM

Vodka Zombie: Well, considering it was still being contested, she was right to stand there. Stepping away would mean she conceded the match. And, I think it was her coach walking her out and not security.


Yeah but they took time to review, and made a final ruling. There was nothing she could possibly gain at that point. And it was a couple of Olympics officials that finally took her down and walked her off the stage.

I mean, it's fine not to concede, but if there's no more reviewing or possibility of overturning, she's just wasting everyone's time at that point. She did the right thing by staying put until they reviewed it and made the official call, but I'm not sure that there was anything more to gain afterward. I think the coach filed a petition either way.
 
2012-07-30 06:54:47 PM
She wasn't standing there trying to be defiant, she was just trying to enjoy an extra hour of life before she's shipped to "fencing camp" in the lowest mines of Worst Korea
 
2012-07-30 06:59:43 PM

DeltaPunch: Vodka Zombie: Well, considering it was still being contested, she was right to stand there. Stepping away would mean she conceded the match. And, I think it was her coach walking her out and not security.

Yeah but they took time to review, and made a final ruling. There was nothing she could possibly gain at that point. And it was a couple of Olympics officials that finally took her down and walked her off the stage.

I mean, it's fine not to concede, but if there's no more reviewing or possibility of overturning, she's just wasting everyone's time at that point. She did the right thing by staying put until they reviewed it and made the official call, but I'm not sure that there was anything more to gain afterward. I think the coach filed a petition either way.


True. Just the whole thing. I don't think I'd call her a sore loser, really. That was just a screwy thing, and she's right to be pissed. But, yeah. There's really nothing anyone can do.
 
2012-07-30 07:05:25 PM

DeltaPunch: I mean, it's fine not to concede, but if there's no more reviewing or possibility of overturning, she's just wasting everyone's time at that point. She did the right thing by staying put until they reviewed it and made the official call, but I'm not sure that there was anything more to gain afterward. I think the coach filed a petition either way.


Somebody very close to me used to run a fencing school. The thing that always drove me nuts about the sport is the subjectivity. I think the problem is that the "judging" used to be based on blood/death. Now the whole "who was on the attack?" kind of wiggle room makes for a lot of bonefide complaints. I thought one of our foil fencers had some very good reasons to complain on Saturday and I was proud of her that she handled it so well.

Eh.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-07-30 07:16:21 PM
Karma for the 88 Olympic boxing debacle.
 
2012-07-30 07:18:56 PM

flucto: Somebody very close to me used to run a fencing school. The thing that always drove me nuts about the sport is the subjectivity. I think the problem is that the "judging" used to be based on blood/death. Now the whole "who was on the attack?" kind of wiggle room makes for a lot of bonefide complaints. I thought one of our foil fencers had some very good reasons to complain on Saturday and I was proud of her that she handled it so well.


I'm actually not familiar with the peculiarities of the judging. What kind of wiggle room is involved in the attack?
 
2012-07-30 07:39:22 PM
She had a sword, why didn't she fight off security?
 
2012-07-30 08:02:30 PM

flucto: DeltaPunch: I mean, it's fine not to concede, but if there's no more reviewing or possibility of overturning, she's just wasting everyone's time at that point. She did the right thing by staying put until they reviewed it and made the official call, but I'm not sure that there was anything more to gain afterward. I think the coach filed a petition either way.

Somebody very close to me used to run a fencing school. The thing that always drove me nuts about the sport is the subjectivity. I think the problem is that the "judging" used to be based on blood/death. Now the whole "who was on the attack?" kind of wiggle room makes for a lot of bonefide complaints. I thought one of our foil fencers had some very good reasons to complain on Saturday and I was proud of her that she handled it so well.

Eh.


How close were you?
You would know then that they were using Épée not foil or saber. Épée does not have the "right of way" which you were probably referring to when you mentioned "on attack".
You had it right in the same sentence when you talked about foil.

Link
 
2012-07-30 08:46:51 PM
www.usabasketball.com

Do not approve
 
2012-07-30 09:03:07 PM
www.wulflund.com
I say the re-fight the match using real swords...that is something I would tune in for.
 
2012-07-30 09:12:34 PM
Talk to the 1972 USA Men's Basketball Team about a lost second and/or screwy timekeeping. And karma for the crapfest that was Seoul '88.
 
2012-07-30 10:15:49 PM
I'd like an animated gif of the German woman walking away. It's a good "haters gonna hate" walk.
 
2012-07-30 10:17:22 PM
Korean Karma. Ya'll must've forgot...

www.fighthubtv.com
 
2012-07-30 10:21:08 PM
Fencing might want to update their rules.

"But it then emerged that in order to lodge an official protest, a sum of money had to be deposited with the judging commission and once the cash had been found, the arguments continued inside the arena."

I can accept that in some regular fencing league, but this is the Olympics with the IOC involved, there shouldn't need to be an ATM in the arena in case coaches want to appeal.
 
2012-07-30 10:25:18 PM
Poor lady.

Spend your entire life dedicated to an event you get to compete in once every four years and you get screwed over for one second.
 
2012-07-30 10:26:21 PM

bulldg4life: Poor lady.

Spend your entire life dedicated to an event you get to compete in once every four years and you get screwed over for one second.


I think the whole thing was bullshiat. The German should have conceded the point. The Korean deserved that medal.
 
2012-07-30 10:27:31 PM
yabbadabbadouche.files.wordpress.com
buddhapia.com

/ tradition
 
das
2012-07-30 10:31:00 PM

ArkAngel: [www.usabasketball.com image 389x206]

Do not approve


Those silver medals are still in a vault somewhere, unclaimed.
 
2012-07-30 10:31:07 PM

scottydoesntknow: She wasn't standing there trying to be defiant, she was just trying to enjoy an extra hour of life before she's shipped to "fencing camp" in the lowest mines of Worst Korea


By "mines," I'm assuming you mean "PC bangs."

/South Korea is Worst Korea!
 
2012-07-30 10:31:36 PM
Well, I hope the German sabres her victory.
 
2012-07-30 10:34:39 PM

mc_madness: Korean Karma. Ya'll must've forgot...

[www.fighthubtv.com image 339x400]


Came for this. Leaving satisfied.
 
2012-07-30 10:37:37 PM
She got hosed
 
2012-07-30 10:38:38 PM

4NSpy: I can accept that in some regular fencing league, but this is the Olympics with the IOC involved, there shouldn't need to be an ATM in the arena in case coaches want to appeal.


I dunno, it seems like ATMs should be necessary specifically because those entities are involved. Unless you're indicating that they should have direct deposit at this point, which would make sense.
 
2012-07-30 10:38:39 PM
Dogberry: She had a sword, why didn't she fight off security?

Win.
 
2012-07-30 10:42:26 PM
It would have been awesome had she started fighting off security with her pointy thing.
 
2012-07-30 10:43:11 PM
Pretty clear the clock wasn't started.
 
2012-07-30 10:49:13 PM
She has a point...
 
2012-07-30 10:49:52 PM
Feel kinda bad for her, but I think she lost.


Gotta love and hate the Germany frauechen's (as it was described above) hater's gonna hate, victory dance.*Shakes hands politely, spontaneously combusts into a chicken dance of victory*
 
2012-07-30 10:50:20 PM

teto85: Basketball


rats, I came here to say this
 
2012-07-30 10:50:47 PM
Well, I can certainly understand why she's piste off.
 
2012-07-30 10:55:51 PM
id thrust and slash her with my erect penis.

parry!
riposte!
jizz!

/ bleh
 
2012-07-30 10:58:46 PM
There's no crying in fencing!
 
2012-07-30 11:02:20 PM

das: ArkAngel: [www.usabasketball.com image 389x206]

Do not approve

Those silver medals are still in a vault somewhere, unclaimed.


In 92 or 96 didn't the IOC try to get a special ceremony together during the Olympics to award them their silver medals and the team unanimously told them to go fark themselves.
 
2012-07-30 11:02:33 PM

DeltaPunch: Looks like 1 second to me. Also, I probably paused it as much after the "allez" as after the hearing the beep, so the offset is pretty close (that German woman lift her leg immediately). Now I don't know if they have a human that starts the clock after each round, of it's supposed to be machine-precision, but if the element of human error (the timekeeper) is a part of the sport (i.e. they don't do replays to check the nanoseconds) then there's nothing you can do about it. It may not be totally precise, but since this is a sport without possession, it should affect both fencers equally.


The starting of the clock is done by a person (usually the ref, or Director in fencing, or at this level by an additional person) but once the clock starts the rest of the mechanism is automated. When the time hit's 0 it locks out either weapon from potentially registering a touch, so if it had been over a second (which it probably was) the german wouldn't have gotten a point.

/used to fence, coach and ref
 
2012-07-30 11:03:12 PM

DeltaPunch: flucto: Somebody very close to me used to run a fencing school. The thing that always drove me nuts about the sport is the subjectivity. I think the problem is that the "judging" used to be based on blood/death. Now the whole "who was on the attack?" kind of wiggle room makes for a lot of bonefide complaints. I thought one of our foil fencers had some very good reasons to complain on Saturday and I was proud of her that she handled it so well.

I'm actually not familiar with the peculiarities of the judging. What kind of wiggle room is involved in the attack?


I am no expert, but from what I picked up:

The attacker gets initiative, so even if they strike second they win the point.

Imagine I put my sword out. You charge straight at me hit me, but in doing so you run into my sword. In real life you just killed yourself. In fencing I get the point because you just did something that no one would do in real life. The rule is there to keep people from just charging in flailing in an attempt to get points.
 
2012-07-30 11:04:03 PM
According to Best Korea, this is payback for every single farking second since 1953.
 
2012-07-30 11:28:47 PM

Swingliner: DeltaPunch: Looks like 1 second to me. Also, I probably paused it as much after the "allez" as after the hearing the beep, so the offset is pretty close (that German woman lift her leg immediately). Now I don't know if they have a human that starts the clock after each round, of it's supposed to be machine-precision, but if the element of human error (the timekeeper) is a part of the sport (i.e. they don't do replays to check the nanoseconds) then there's nothing you can do about it. It may not be totally precise, but since this is a sport without possession, it should affect both fencers equally.

The starting of the clock is done by a person (usually the ref, or Director in fencing, or at this level by an additional person) but once the clock starts the rest of the mechanism is automated. When the time hit's 0 it locks out either weapon from potentially registering a touch, so if it had been over a second (which it probably was) the german wouldn't have gotten a point.

/used to fence, coach and ref


I think I figured out what happened. The clock only displayed in seconds, though the clock itself could probably keep track of tenths and hundredths. After the third double touch the South Korean coach starts to complain about the clock. There's probably somewhere between .5 and 0 seconds left at that point but the clock reads :01. If you watch, while time is stopped, the timekeeper moves the clock down to :00. That's when the crowd starts to cheer, thinking the match is over. The judge asks for the time left at that point and is told there's one second left. The time is then reset to one second, meaning that anywhere from half a second to just less than one second is put back on the clock (since they can't reset the clock to .5 or .2 or whatever it was actually at). She got screwed because the IOC doesn't use clocks that can read to a tenth or a hundredth of a second even in a sport where a single action can comprise less than half a second (as the two double touches showed).
 
2012-07-30 11:32:44 PM
The judges really Britta'd that one.
 
2012-07-30 11:34:24 PM
playingrickymorton.files.wordpress.com

Shin screwed Shin.

/feels bad for her.
 
2012-07-30 11:37:54 PM

4NSpy: Fencing might want to update their rules.

"But it then emerged that in order to lodge an official protest, a sum of money had to be deposited with the judging commission and once the cash had been found, the arguments continued inside the arena."

I can accept that in some regular fencing league, but this is the Olympics with the IOC involved, there shouldn't need to be an ATM in the arena in case coaches want to appeal.


As I understand it, this does not apply solely to fencing; each Olympic sport has the appeal+fee policy. I imagine it helps keep the whiners and divas from filing frivolous appeals.
 
2012-07-30 11:45:19 PM

rugman11: Swingliner: DeltaPunch: Looks like 1 second to me. Also, I probably paused it as much after the "allez" as after the hearing the beep, so the offset is pretty close (that German woman lift her leg immediately). Now I don't know if they have a human that starts the clock after each round, of it's supposed to be machine-precision, but if the element of human error (the timekeeper) is a part of the sport (i.e. they don't do replays to check the nanoseconds) then there's nothing you can do about it. It may not be totally precise, but since this is a sport without possession, it should affect both fencers equally.

The starting of the clock is done by a person (usually the ref, or Director in fencing, or at this level by an additional person) but once the clock starts the rest of the mechanism is automated. When the time hit's 0 it locks out either weapon from potentially registering a touch, so if it had been over a second (which it probably was) the german wouldn't have gotten a point.

/used to fence, coach and ref

I think I figured out what happened. The clock only displayed in seconds, though the clock itself could probably keep track of tenths and hundredths. After the third double touch the South Korean coach starts to complain about the clock. There's probably somewhere between .5 and 0 seconds left at that point but the clock reads :01. If you watch, while time is stopped, the timekeeper moves the clock down to :00. That's when the crowd starts to cheer, thinking the match is over. The judge asks for the time left at that point and is told there's one second left. The time is then reset to one second, meaning that anywhere from half a second to just less than one second is put back on the clock (since they can't reset the clock to .5 or .2 or whatever it was actually at). She got screwed because the IOC doesn't use clocks that can read to a tenth or a hundredth of a second even in a sport where a single action can comprise less than half a second (as t ...


Even though it's the the olympics it's an issue w/ the sport and machines used. You'll notice every ref there is FIE (Federation International D'Escrime, aka The International Fencing Federation) rated and 100% of the equipment will be FIE standard.

She probably had a legit reason to complain. Fortunately for her, fencing isn't a sport where you "age badly." I'd guess that since she fences Epee she may have a longer competition life.
 
2012-07-30 11:51:19 PM

tudorgurl: bulldg4life: Poor lady.

Spend your entire life dedicated to an event you get to compete in once every four years and you get screwed over for one second.

I think the whole thing was bullshiat. The German should have conceded the point. The Korean deserved that medal.


This match wasnt for a medal, but it is kind of karma biting them in the ass the way they blatantly screwed over roy jones.
 
2012-07-30 11:53:07 PM

rugman11: I think I figured out what happened. The clock only displayed in seconds, though the clock itself could probably keep track of tenths and hundredths. After the third double touch the South Korean coach starts to complain about the clock. There's probably somewhere between .5 and 0 seconds left at that point but the clock reads :01. If you watch, while time is stopped, the timekeeper moves the clock down to :00. That's when the crowd starts to cheer, thinking the match is over. The judge asks for the time left at that point and is told there's one second left. The time is then reset to one second, meaning that anywhere from half a second to just less than one second is put back on the clock (since they can't reset the clock to .5 or .2 or whatever it was actually at). She got screwed because the IOC doesn't use clocks that can read to a tenth or a hundredth of a second even in a sport where a single action can comprise less than half a second (as the two double touches showed).


Basically she got screwed like most football players do by not playing until you hear the whistle, she has no one to blame but herself for stopping after she thought a second was up.
 
2012-07-30 11:54:03 PM
Dammit I meant not stopping until you hear the whistle, too much makers tonight.
 
2012-07-30 11:57:00 PM
Memo to Blacks/Browns/Yellows: don't come down to the wire against Whites. That is all.
 
2012-07-30 11:58:46 PM

rugman11: I think I figured out what happened. The clock only displayed in seconds, though the clock itself could probably keep track of tenths and hundredths. After the third double touch the South Korean coach starts to complain about the clock. There's probably somewhere between .5 and 0 seconds left at that point but the clock reads :01. If you watch, while time is stopped, the timekeeper moves the clock down to :00. That's when the crowd starts to cheer, thinking the match is over. The judge asks for the time left at that point and is told there's one second left. The time is then reset to one second, meaning that anywhere from half a second to just less than one second is put back on the clock (since they can't reset the clock to .5 or .2 or whatever it was actually at). She got screwed because the IOC doesn't use clocks that can read to a tenth or a hundredth of a second even in a sport where a single action can comprise less than half a second (as the two double touches showed).


Ya, I was wondering if in reality there was 1.5 seconds on the clock, but we only saw 1 because it doesn't display tenths of a second. So actually they had 1.5 seconds left on the clock.

Just so everyone knows. I posted those screencaps above and the purpose was to look at the time passed on the video player, not the clock displayed by the Olympics. It went from :04 to :05, so no MORE than a second passed in real time, which again supports the fact that the true amount of time left may have been 1.5 seconds or some such thing.
 
2012-07-30 11:59:42 PM

RogermcAllen: Imagine I put my sword out. You charge straight at me hit me, but in doing so you run into my sword. In real life you just killed yourself. In fencing I get the point because you just did something that no one would do in real life. The rule is there to keep people from just charging in flailing in an attempt to get points.


Ah OK... thanks for the explain.
 
Displayed 50 of 94 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report