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(Guardian)   Twitter suspends British journalist's account for tweets critical of NBC's Olympic coverage. Of course this has absolutely nothing to do with Twitter's deal with NBC to be the "Official narrator" of the games   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 39
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2012-07-30 10:42:23 PM
5 votes:
My dog could shiat better coverage than NBC is currently serving up.

Also, I notice that ESPN are keen to talk up the flaws of NBC's efforts. Maybe they should have bid more when the offers were being solicited.
2012-07-31 12:28:06 AM
4 votes:
Just off the top of my head:

You're not allowed to advertise your nonofficial product during the games if there's an official version of it.

You're not allowed to use any credit card besides the official credit card at the games.

You're not allowed to bring a nonofficial product anywhere near the games. Drop that Pepsi, citizen.

You're not allowed to use the words "London" or "2012" in advertisements whilst in London in the year 2012 if you're not an official sponsor.

God forbid you should use the word "Olympic" or even something sort of similar, no matter what the purpose. (Google "ravelympics" for the terrible threat posed by knitters to amateur athletics.)

British law enforcement, never all that constrained by quaint notions of civil liberties in the first place, have been granted powers that the Stasi would be jealous of, for the purpose of ensuring that no one "disrupts" the games--including, explicitly, the "disruption" caused by nonofficial mention of the games.

It's essential to the integrity of the London Games that McDonald's be the only french fry vendor in town for the duration of the games. (If you failed to foresee that one day your restaurant would be within a certain distance of the Olympic village, well, tough beans, old boy.)

And now, you're not allowed to criticize the coverage of the official cover-er of the games on the official ...whatever Twitter is of the games.

I don't even pay that much attention and I know about these things. That's not even getting into the sorta-debatable stuff like whether it's necessary to have SAMs mounted on the rooftops of private residences, etc.

I know it's not exactly an original sentiment, but maybe it's time to go back to the farking drawing board on this Olympics shiat? I mean, it's fun seeing field hockey on TV like it was a real sport every four years, but it's not worth all this crap.
2012-07-30 09:01:18 PM
4 votes:
Or it could have something to do with posting someone's email addy
2012-07-31 12:54:19 AM
3 votes:
the email address posted was corporate email. firstname.lastname at nbc.com, or whatever. No worse than posting Dumb-Ass-Monkey at ultrafark.com

not worth an account suspension.
2012-07-31 12:52:32 AM
3 votes:
I have a better idea: After watching a couple days of Olympics, let's suspend ALL the sportscasters. The inane comments and dumber interviews make watching fun sports into a torment of lower Hell.

"So how does it feel to have won the gold medal?"
"Meh, it's okay. I'd rather be skinned alive by tigers, but this will do."
2012-07-30 11:54:42 PM
3 votes:

Insane_Cellist: Or it could have something to do with posting someone's email addy


Yes, if you're too stupid to read the article: It's public information, which is not against the rules. The email is just the excuse to allow them to take it down.

Why is it that so many Farkers are only skeptical when they might be able to prove subby wrong?
2012-07-30 10:58:10 PM
3 votes:

picturescrazy: flamingboard: Insane_Cellist: Or it could have something to do with posting someone's email addy

Their email addresses were fi­rs­tna­me­*l­a­stname­[nospam-﹫-backwards]ss­erdd­a­li­am­e­*com. Not really that private.

And I can't post your name and address here on Fark if I knew it, even though that's public information too. It's a rule that makes sense. I directed quite a bit of anger towards NBC too, but I'm not upset about this at all.


Twitter's TOS does not ban you from posting things like email addresses that are already in the public domain, whic this one was. Their TOS is not the same as Fark's.
2012-07-31 07:39:52 AM
2 votes:
The Olympics are like Disney World. Completely fabricated and synthetic, controlled by a megacorp, and if you say bad things about it, you find yourself surrounded by goons and lawyers.

By 2032, I imagine the Olympics will have morphed into a reality show, The Earth's Got Talent, except we won't put up with that, so in the U.S. it will be called USA's Got Talent The Rest of the World Can Suck It USA! USA!.
2012-07-30 11:50:35 PM
2 votes:

I sound fat: Insane_Cellist: Or it could have something to do with posting someone's email addy

Publicly listed email addresses are considered by twitter to be private information?

come on now.


Yeah, to me this just screams NBC butthurt.

/subby
//#28
///yay, me
2012-07-30 11:44:55 PM
2 votes:

Insane_Cellist: Or it could have something to do with posting someone's email addy


Publicly listed email addresses are considered by twitter to be private information?

come on now.
2012-07-30 11:32:28 PM
2 votes:

Gyrfalcon: flamingboard: Insane_Cellist: Or it could have something to do with posting someone's email addy

Their email addresses were firstname[* image 7x13]lastname[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]sserddaliame[* image 7x13]com. Not really that private.

Still not an excuse for posting them, you know.


According to Twitter's terms of service it was a damn good excuse.

Unless of course that was the first time the email had ever been published on the internet, which I doubt.
2012-07-30 10:53:35 PM
2 votes:
What are these Olympics you speak of ? If a "sport" requires a panel of judges it is fundamentally flawed.
2012-07-30 10:44:43 PM
2 votes:

flamingboard: Insane_Cellist: Or it could have something to do with posting someone's email addy

Their email addresses were first­n­a­me*l­a­stn­a­me[nospam-﹫-backwards]ss­er­d­daliam­e­*c­o­m. Not really that private.


And I can't post your name and address here on Fark if I knew it, even though that's public information too. It's a rule that makes sense. I directed quite a bit of anger towards NBC too, but I'm not upset about this at all.
2012-07-30 10:39:38 PM
2 votes:
I think Twitter would have had to suspend a great many accounts this weekend if they were really censoring criticisms.
2012-07-30 10:35:19 PM
2 votes:

Insane_Cellist: Or it could have something to do with posting someone's email addy


Their email addresses were fir­stn­ame*last­na­me[nospam-﹫-backwards]sser­dda­li­a­m­e*co­m. Not really that private.
2012-07-31 05:23:40 PM
1 votes:

Flint Ironstag: Not threatening? Did you read the bit that said

[a bunch of threats]?

Well, OBVIOUSLY I DIDN'T. JEEZ. Not very classy to call bullshiat on my bullshiat, though. Some people, I swear.

But as for the rest, I'm afraid I can't really grant the premise. Nobody said only Americans have freedom and rights--in America we call that a straw man. Same thing with the percentage of people in prison--that's not a function of authoritarianism, that's a function of economic striation and racist drug laws. (Get it right!)

You're right that there are certainly differences in what US vs. UK cops and prosecutors are allowed to do. For example, the UK has that lovely bit of social engineering known as the ASBO. Commit one crime, no matter how minor, and your local government can and will regulate all your other (legal) "behaviour" to render it "social." I'm sure you know the hilarious results this occasionally has. Now, is it fair to paint the whole country with that brush? Not really. Nor is it right to draw sweeping conclusions from the fact that British cops do not universally heed those "formal" warnings that people are allowed to record them. (But then again, when is your average London cop not being surveilled by a dozen public and private video cameras, just like everyone else around him?)

We're getting a bit far afield, though. My point was that the Olympics make all this much, much worse than it already is, even if you're somehow inclined to think the UK is somehow ahead of the curve as things stand. For precisely that reason, I wouldn't want them in the US, either. At least not in their current incarnation.
2012-07-31 04:30:11 PM
1 votes:

semiotix: Flint Ironstag:

By way of illustrating what I mean, check out this story. A douchebag teenager tweets to an Olympian he let down his (deceased) father, and promptly gets arrested for "malicious communication."

My point is, one of two things has to be true here.

(a) This sort of thing is totally normal in the UK, or
(b) For the sake of goddamn synchronized diving, there are kids being hauled down to the station house for being assholes on Twitter. Not threatening assholes, not persistently harassing assholes, just the sort of dickbag every teenage boy is at least 40% of the time. But not for just any reason--only for being assholes towards the Olympics.

If it's (a), then I guess it doesn't farking matter. If it's (b), which I think is much more likely, then the Olympics are farking with British society and law enforcement culture in a way that is profoundly unhealthy and absolutely not worth it.




Not threatening? Did you read the bit that said "Later, however, another tweet to Daley read: "i'm going to find you and i'm going to drown you in the pool you cocky twat your a nobody people like you make me sick".

Tweets to other users who criticised his earlier message were spiked with profanity. One read: "i dont give a shiat bruv i'm gonna drown him and i'm gonna shoot you he failed why you suporting him you coont." Another, to a different Twitter user, read: "do you want me to come to your farking house now with a rope and strangle you with it."
"?

That looks pretty threatening to me.

As for the state of things today, British drivers don't have to carry driving licences when they drive, or any ID. Brits don't have to tell a cop their name or address if stopped in the street, unlike many US states. British cops are told formally that the public has the right to video and record them, again unlike many US states. (There are, as you say about US cops, exceptions where individuals act otherwise.)
British cops are not allowed to like to suspects during an interview, unlike the US who can say anything to trick you into confessing. Maybe that's why the US has by far the highest percentage of its citizens in prison, far higher than every other country in the world?

It's swings and roundabouts, but the myth that Americans have freedom and rights while everyone else in the world is oppressed is just that, a myth.
2012-07-31 03:00:12 PM
1 votes:

Langdon_777: Great post until that last line - field hockey is one of the few real sports I enjoy watching. Its a true sport,


Just kidding. Any sport that puts aggressive, stick-wielding women in short plaid schoolgirl skirts is fine by me.
2012-07-31 02:43:52 PM
1 votes:

Flint Ironstag: And as for "British law enforcement, never all that constrained by quaint notions of civil liberties in the first place", England had Magna Carta in 1215, centuries before the US was even discovered, and considering the number of cop brutality and thuggishness examples frequently posted on Fark it's pushing it to complain about British cops.


Well, the Magna Carta was great for the 13th century. But there is something to be said for things like the Bill of Rights in theory, if not always in execution. I'm sure there are plenty of people in this thread that will attest to me being a huge big-government fascist toady nanny-stater, etc., but the UK still makes me nervous on that score. Unwritten constitutions aren't worth the paper they're not written on when you come to a difficult spot.

I wouldn't worry about British cops per se, but then American cops are not as bad as sites like Fark make them out to be. "Brutality and thuggishness" happens for two reasons:

1. A cop randomly snaps for reasons having nothing to do with anything and takes advantage of his position to put the beatdown on someone. That's bad, but it's rare, and it's unpreventable, and there are over a million law enforcement officers in the country, so you can always find it happening somewhere.

2. There's a local culture of corruption, racism, or hostility towards the community a given department serves. The good news is that it can be remedied. The bad news is that usually the majority of the community in question has absolutely no interest in doing so. The neutral thing is that there is nothing uniquely American about that. Ask the next person of African or South Asian descent you see in London about that.
2012-07-31 09:51:58 AM
1 votes:
The way this kind of thing usually works:

1) Restrict some sort of freedom during the event
2) "Investigate" and "Review" the situation until the event ends
3) Say "ooops, our bad" AFTER the event is over

Works for arbitrary arrests too!
2012-07-31 08:37:52 AM
1 votes:

davidphogan: RogermcAllen: Thanks for the info. It seems like a pretty hard sell that any corporate firstname*lastname[nospam-﹫-backwards]ynapmoc*com address is actually private.

Go ahead and call some fortunate 500 companies and ask the operator for a VP's email. Go ahead, see how public they are.


Or you can just use google.
2012-07-31 08:37:38 AM
1 votes:
Also, if corporations are people, and the poor victimized dude is part of the NBC corporation, he's just a segment of the corporation and doesn't have full rights as a person.
2012-07-31 07:59:05 AM
1 votes:

Flint Ironstag: And as for "British law enforcement, never all that constrained by quaint notions of civil liberties in the first place", England had Magna Carta in 1215, centuries before the US was even discovered.


Yeah, great for the barons and dukes and lords, not particularly helpful for the serfs, or the Jews for that matter.
2012-07-31 01:24:50 AM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: I have a better idea: After watching a couple days of Olympics, let's suspend ALL the sportscasters. The inane comments and dumber interviews make watching fun sports into a torment of lower Hell.

"So how does it feel to have won the gold medal?"
"Meh, it's okay. I'd rather be skinned alive by tigers, but this will do."


hmmm. 1 minute 10 seconds. Great minds ...

throw the commentators into a pit
cover pit
let sit for 2 weeks
come back and see who is alive
throw in some pit vipers
enjoy the screams
2012-07-31 01:03:35 AM
1 votes:

davidphogan: RogermcAllen: Thanks for the info. It seems like a pretty hard sell that any corporate firstname*lastname[nospam-﹫-backwards]ynapmoc*com address is actually private.

Go ahead and call some fortunate 500 companies and ask the operator for a VP's email. Go ahead, see how public they are.


Step 1 - Open the internet
Step 2 - Search for "annual+report+company"
Step 3 - Flip to the section where the list the CEO, CFO, CIO, execs, board members, etc.
Step 4 - Open the internet again
Step 5 - Search for "contact+company"
Step 5 - Note what the company uses for the @company.com portion of the email
Step 6 - Send an email to firstn­am­e­*l­a­st­name[nospam-﹫-backwards]y­n­apm­oc*com, use the names of the excecs

99% of the time it really is that easy.
2012-07-31 12:48:15 AM
1 votes:

Litig8r: I'm still puzzled by all the NBC biatching. Just set up a VPN to a server


wat?


sincerely,
folks like me who are not techies


your argument is the same as folks who say just buy all the premium channels. there's an economic divide, and there's a technological divide at work here. NBC, here in the States, is supposed to bridge that divide between the haves and have nots, and the specialists and the general pop. Instead, they insult viewers intelligence, which is not at all the same thing as bridging a divide.

making folks cough up money in a bad recession ain't the answer.

neither is assuming that folks have the tech skills to do what you suggest without a lot of instruction.

not downing you, just asking to remember...................... not everyone is a techie.
2012-07-31 12:36:55 AM
1 votes:
I don't have cable or a digital tuner so I'm not allowed to watch the Olympics this year. Our UK proxy was too laggy and I'm too lazy and cheap and don't care enough to try any harder than that to get coverage. NBC could have had my internet ad revenue but they decided they care more about hanging on to the ever dwindling cable market. Well fark you NBC. I'm skipping the Olympics this year.
2012-07-31 12:08:56 AM
1 votes:

picturescrazy: flamingboard: Insane_Cellist: Or it could have something to do with posting someone's email addy

Their email addresses were firstname[* image 7x13]lastname[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]sserddaliame[* image 7x13]com. Not really that private.

And I can't post your name and address here on Fark if I knew it, even though that's public information too. It's a rule that makes sense. I directed quite a bit of anger towards NBC too, but I'm not upset about this at all.


picturescrazy: flamingboard: Insane_Cellist: Or it could have something to do with posting someone's email addy

Their email addresses were firstname[* image 7x13]lastname[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]sserddaliame[* image 7x13]com. Not really that private.

And I can't post your name and address here on Fark if I knew it, even though that's public information too. It's a rule that makes sense. I directed quite a bit of anger towards NBC too, but I'm not upset about this at all.


It would be the equivalent of saying your address was pict­u­r­es­cr­az­y­[nospam-﹫-backwards]k­rafa­rt­lu*co­m. Ultrafark email addresses are essentially given out on the site.q
2012-07-31 12:01:37 AM
1 votes:

Mad_Radhu: I couldn't find a video of the Nightly News, but here's an article that describes it:

Anchor Brian Williams, on NBC's Nightly News from London, tonight didn't give away any Sunday Olympic results - as he did Saturday - by instead telling viewers to turn away if they didn't want to see results.

"Now veteran viewers may remember how we do spoiler alerts. If you don't want to see the results, turn away, we won't say anything.," Williams began his Olympic segment. "And then we'll tell you when it's OK to turn back."


That is some seriously hilarious shiat.

I wish he'd actually just go ahead and tell people to just change the damn channel.
2012-07-30 11:45:34 PM
1 votes:

picturescrazy: And I can't post your name and address here on Fark if I knew it, even though that's public information too. It's a rule that makes sense. I directed quite a bit of anger towards NBC too, but I'm not upset about this at all.


It was a corporate email address. I see no problem if the tweet was along the lines of "If you don't like the service, complain to the guy in charge of it at [email addy]"
2012-07-30 11:42:50 PM
1 votes:
Twitter fail when they did not manage to explain to me why I need to use it, to mirror my ego and random shiat,

NBC fail when they paid million of USD to have to US person say they don't know who Lee is,, im guessing they never left the home state like 85% of other us passport holders.

The Olympics fail when they allow for Nazi and Franco dictator to run the org. for years and never had the
stomach to accept internal corruption and that freaking 16 girls don't swim faster then a man, but don't have the ball do say it...

I fail at spelling, no doping will help that ...
2012-07-30 11:05:50 PM
1 votes:
I wonder if any broadcaster could get away with tape-delaying the Super Bowl. Somehow it's OK for the Olympics, I guess... Screw NBC.
2012-07-30 10:56:59 PM
1 votes:
After three days of being Super Smug with my little .uk proxy, spare netbook and the BBC all day live, The US networks just seem a little strange and sad. Can't say I really miss it much. It really is overproduced.
2012-07-30 10:56:50 PM
1 votes:

danmarce: Insane_Cellist: Or it could have something to do with posting someone's email addy

More on this, from Private information posted on Twitter


Posting another person's private and confidential information is a violation of the Twitter Rules.

Some examples of private and confidential information are:

credit card information
social security or other national identity numbers
addresses or locations that are considered and treated as private
non-public, personal phone numbers
non-public, personal email addresses


Keep in mind that although you may consider certain information to be private, not all postings of such information may be a violation of this policy. If information was previously posted or displayed elsewhere on the Internet prior to being put on Twitter, it is not a violation of this policy.


More info:

http://mashable.com/2012/07/30/twitter-journalist-suspended/


Thanks for the info. It seems like a pretty hard sell that any corporate first­na­m­e*l­astn­a­me­[nospam-﹫-backwards]yna­pmoc­*com address is actually private.
2012-07-30 10:49:26 PM
1 votes:

T-Servo: I think Twitter would have had to suspend a great many accounts this weekend if they were really censoring criticisms.


If I had a Twitter, they'd have definitely had to suspend mine. I am completely underwhelmed by their coverage this year. Although I can watch online, I have had buffering issues, and I'd really rather watch in my home theater. The tape delay is even more annoying for me because a lot of my friends are on the East Coast. So not only do I have to avoid standard websites where I'd see results, I also have to avoid Facebook. It's difficult not to have the results spoiled.

Don't even get me started on their horrible "coverage" of the opening ceremony. What a disaster.
2012-07-30 10:49:10 PM
1 votes:
I'm still puzzled by all the NBC biatching. Just set up a VPN to a server in the UK or Canada and watch full coverage, live and archived, on BBC or CATV. If enough people ignore NBC maybe they'll get the message and clean up their act. If you biatch and still watch them they won't care because you're not costing them revenue.
2012-07-30 10:45:26 PM
1 votes:
Twitter is the straw that broke the "I don't give a fu(k anymore" camel's back
2012-07-30 10:45:12 PM
1 votes:

r1niceboy: My dog could shiat better coverage than NBC is currently serving up.

Also, I notice that ESPN are keen to talk up the flaws of NBC's efforts. Maybe they should have bid more when the offers were being solicited.


Not everyone has ESPN. Anyone can get NBC over the air.
2012-07-30 10:37:02 PM
1 votes:
The email in question was not exactly private, but now that NBC's flack has pointed it out you can get 49,000+ hits for it on Google ... and climbing. Can you say "Striesand Effect" NBC? Sure you can!
 
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