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(Guardian)   Twitter suspends British journalist's account for tweets critical of NBC's Olympic coverage. Of course this has absolutely nothing to do with Twitter's deal with NBC to be the "Official narrator" of the games   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 108
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2012-07-31 11:36:22 AM
So if I post the business e-mail of somebody, I can be banninated for it?

/sounds lame
//dorkus prolly has no life and uses his business e-mail as his personal e-mail
 
2012-07-31 02:43:52 PM

Flint Ironstag: And as for "British law enforcement, never all that constrained by quaint notions of civil liberties in the first place", England had Magna Carta in 1215, centuries before the US was even discovered, and considering the number of cop brutality and thuggishness examples frequently posted on Fark it's pushing it to complain about British cops.


Well, the Magna Carta was great for the 13th century. But there is something to be said for things like the Bill of Rights in theory, if not always in execution. I'm sure there are plenty of people in this thread that will attest to me being a huge big-government fascist toady nanny-stater, etc., but the UK still makes me nervous on that score. Unwritten constitutions aren't worth the paper they're not written on when you come to a difficult spot.

I wouldn't worry about British cops per se, but then American cops are not as bad as sites like Fark make them out to be. "Brutality and thuggishness" happens for two reasons:

1. A cop randomly snaps for reasons having nothing to do with anything and takes advantage of his position to put the beatdown on someone. That's bad, but it's rare, and it's unpreventable, and there are over a million law enforcement officers in the country, so you can always find it happening somewhere.

2. There's a local culture of corruption, racism, or hostility towards the community a given department serves. The good news is that it can be remedied. The bad news is that usually the majority of the community in question has absolutely no interest in doing so. The neutral thing is that there is nothing uniquely American about that. Ask the next person of African or South Asian descent you see in London about that.
 
2012-07-31 03:00:12 PM

Langdon_777: Great post until that last line - field hockey is one of the few real sports I enjoy watching. Its a true sport,


Just kidding. Any sport that puts aggressive, stick-wielding women in short plaid schoolgirl skirts is fine by me.
 
2012-07-31 03:17:03 PM
Flint Ironstag:

By way of illustrating what I mean, check out this story. A douchebag teenager tweets to an Olympian he let down his (deceased) father, and promptly gets arrested for "malicious communication."

My point is, one of two things has to be true here.

(a) This sort of thing is totally normal in the UK, or
(b) For the sake of goddamn synchronized diving, there are kids being hauled down to the station house for being assholes on Twitter. Not threatening assholes, not persistently harassing assholes, just the sort of dickbag every teenage boy is at least 40% of the time. But not for just any reason--only for being assholes towards the Olympics.

If it's (a), then I guess it doesn't farking matter. If it's (b), which I think is much more likely, then the Olympics are farking with British society and law enforcement culture in a way that is profoundly unhealthy and absolutely not worth it.
 
2012-07-31 04:30:11 PM

semiotix: Flint Ironstag:

By way of illustrating what I mean, check out this story. A douchebag teenager tweets to an Olympian he let down his (deceased) father, and promptly gets arrested for "malicious communication."

My point is, one of two things has to be true here.

(a) This sort of thing is totally normal in the UK, or
(b) For the sake of goddamn synchronized diving, there are kids being hauled down to the station house for being assholes on Twitter. Not threatening assholes, not persistently harassing assholes, just the sort of dickbag every teenage boy is at least 40% of the time. But not for just any reason--only for being assholes towards the Olympics.

If it's (a), then I guess it doesn't farking matter. If it's (b), which I think is much more likely, then the Olympics are farking with British society and law enforcement culture in a way that is profoundly unhealthy and absolutely not worth it.




Not threatening? Did you read the bit that said "Later, however, another tweet to Daley read: "i'm going to find you and i'm going to drown you in the pool you cocky twat your a nobody people like you make me sick".

Tweets to other users who criticised his earlier message were spiked with profanity. One read: "i dont give a shiat bruv i'm gonna drown him and i'm gonna shoot you he failed why you suporting him you coont." Another, to a different Twitter user, read: "do you want me to come to your farking house now with a rope and strangle you with it."
"?

That looks pretty threatening to me.

As for the state of things today, British drivers don't have to carry driving licences when they drive, or any ID. Brits don't have to tell a cop their name or address if stopped in the street, unlike many US states. British cops are told formally that the public has the right to video and record them, again unlike many US states. (There are, as you say about US cops, exceptions where individuals act otherwise.)
British cops are not allowed to like to suspects during an interview, unlike the US who can say anything to trick you into confessing. Maybe that's why the US has by far the highest percentage of its citizens in prison, far higher than every other country in the world?

It's swings and roundabouts, but the myth that Americans have freedom and rights while everyone else in the world is oppressed is just that, a myth.
 
2012-07-31 04:35:28 PM
Looks like Twitter backed down. Link
 
2012-07-31 05:23:40 PM

Flint Ironstag: Not threatening? Did you read the bit that said

[a bunch of threats]?

Well, OBVIOUSLY I DIDN'T. JEEZ. Not very classy to call bullshiat on my bullshiat, though. Some people, I swear.

But as for the rest, I'm afraid I can't really grant the premise. Nobody said only Americans have freedom and rights--in America we call that a straw man. Same thing with the percentage of people in prison--that's not a function of authoritarianism, that's a function of economic striation and racist drug laws. (Get it right!)

You're right that there are certainly differences in what US vs. UK cops and prosecutors are allowed to do. For example, the UK has that lovely bit of social engineering known as the ASBO. Commit one crime, no matter how minor, and your local government can and will regulate all your other (legal) "behaviour" to render it "social." I'm sure you know the hilarious results this occasionally has. Now, is it fair to paint the whole country with that brush? Not really. Nor is it right to draw sweeping conclusions from the fact that British cops do not universally heed those "formal" warnings that people are allowed to record them. (But then again, when is your average London cop not being surveilled by a dozen public and private video cameras, just like everyone else around him?)

We're getting a bit far afield, though. My point was that the Olympics make all this much, much worse than it already is, even if you're somehow inclined to think the UK is somehow ahead of the curve as things stand. For precisely that reason, I wouldn't want them in the US, either. At least not in their current incarnation.
 
2012-07-31 09:57:19 PM
Been watching the Olympics since I was a kid and I just have to say, I am so much more impressed with CTV's coverage. CBC did an okay job but they were limited by only having one channel. I am just glad I am finally able to have a choice of most of the events instead of what CBC cherry picked to air.

//post applies to Canadians (and those who can watch our channels)
 
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