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2012-07-30 09:09:27 PM
RIM gave me a Playbook for free when it came out, and while I love my iPad - the Playbook is solid for business use. The HDMI out and remote control features make it pretty damn convenient for presentations, and it's small enough to fit in my suit breast pocket or cargo pocket on my pants for casual days. It's easy to carry around.

That said, I wouldn't pay more than $150 for one. It's a nice tool, but that's all it is. My iPad gets far more "farking around" use, and I can still use it for business if I want. It's just more convenient with the Playbook.
 
2012-07-30 09:54:46 PM
Hopefully it will be an invigorating RIM job.
 
2012-07-30 11:49:04 PM

thisispete: Hopefully it will be an invigorating RIM job.


Eh, RIM's jobs always tend to be short-lived, underwhelming, and leave me with a subtle sense of shame.
 
2012-07-30 11:53:52 PM
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2012-07-31 12:13:21 AM
The tablet will have more inches than sales
 
2012-07-31 12:14:52 AM

MacEnvy: thisispete: Hopefully it will be an invigorating RIM job.

Eh, RIM's jobs always tend to be short-lived, underwhelming, and leave me with a subtle sense of shame.


You do feel a little cleaner though, don't you?
 
2012-07-31 12:15:21 AM
Will this one actually have a built-in email client?
 
2012-07-31 12:33:41 AM

MacEnvy: thisispete: Hopefully it will be an invigorating RIM job.

Eh, RIM's jobs always tend to be short-lived, underwhelming, and leave me with a subtle sense of shame.


Clearly you are a lazy worker.
 
2012-07-31 12:50:32 AM
If Apple really builds a "small" iPad, I'm selling my stock.
 
2012-07-31 01:00:40 AM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: If Apple really builds a "small" iPad, I'm selling my stock.


What if it's just a 7" iPod Touch?
 
2012-07-31 01:15:37 AM
RIM is a company doomed by its own hubris. For years they've told their customers what it is they should want in a smartphone and not listened to what it was the customer wanted. Their only chance to make it is to give up on their own crappy operating system and go android, then license out their BBM.

Gave up on my Blackberry over a year ago and have been much happier with Android.
 
2012-07-31 01:44:35 AM
Once again, I have to YELL at the RIM people to focus on services and let suckers develop the hardware.

I don't move around enough to need anything larger than my iPhone for day-to-day mobility. And my preference in portables is for gaming desktops crammed into laptops.

Hey, I can toss 50 pound boxes all day. An 8 pound laptop is nothing. I don't need no farking 14 ounce tablet for anything but bedtime porn viewing.
 
2012-07-31 01:59:47 AM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: If Apple really builds a "small" iPad, I'm selling my stock.


Translation: If Steve Jobs didn't want it, I don't want it.
 
2012-07-31 04:37:39 AM
My mom's 64GB iPad with Retina display just arrived today.

I'm sure RIM's tablet is going to be just as successful at attracting people who never would have thought of buying a tablet before.
 
2012-07-31 05:43:46 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: My mom's 64GB iPad with Retina display just arrived today.

I'm sure RIM's tablet is going to be just as successful at attracting people who never would have thought of buying a tablet before.


I got one of their playbooks last December and I didn't want a tablet at that time but the price was too good not to get it. You are right, now I want a tablet that hasn't missed the small details. Latest thing that irks me: the video player doesn't remember where you left off in a video.
 
2012-07-31 05:46:08 AM

Karne: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: If Apple really builds a "small" iPad, I'm selling my stock.

Translation: If Steve Jobs didn't want it, I don't want it.


That's primarily why I reject any shirt without a turtle neck.
 
2012-07-31 05:54:57 AM
Blackberry Tablets? They are only about 2 years too late.

Our management and IT are *this* close (holding thumb and forefinger mere millimeters apart) to dumping Blackberries; the only decision is which carrier we are going to go with the switch to (probably) Android. Part of it is also looking at dropping remote office POTS lines in favor of mobile.

When we had some budget issues, they shut off BB for all but things that were deemed mission-critical. At the same time, they are supporting BYOD, be it Blackberry, Android or iPhone. (If they want me to be able to respond instantly to e-mail, they better supply the device and the service, but that's just me).

So we can consolidate some devices, dump the BES, give users more flexibility and capability, and save money. They just want to single-source the voice side, so there is the usual tug-of-war over coverage for some folks. We may have to buy some network extenders for some of the remote locations.
 
2012-07-31 06:21:13 AM
smaller iPad = ipod touch. A fool and his money...
 
2012-07-31 06:31:36 AM

abhorrent1: smaller iPad = ipod touch. A fool and his money...


Regular iPad = large iPod touch.
 
2012-07-31 07:32:04 AM
No one in my company (a major telecom) is replacing their BBerrys with BBerrys; they are all getting smartphones.
 
2012-07-31 07:58:20 AM

Unobtanium: When we had some budget issues, they shut off BB for all but things that were deemed mission-critical. At the same time, they are supporting BYOD, be it Blackberry, Android or iPhone. (If they want me to be able to respond instantly to e-mail, they better supply the device and the service, but that's just me).


Yeah, I don't get this about BYOD. Sure, there are companies that would reimburse you $10 and a car wash coupon for using your own device. But there are actually people who would say to a company, "PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE LET ME USE MY iPHONE/ANDROID/WHATEVER, I WILL PAY FOR IT MYSELF."

As an IT admin, people have come to me, asking if they can use their own device. At that point I usually try to assess whether they actually need the device (laptop/phone...) to do work. If they do, I have no problems getting the company to pay for it. If there is no need, then, again, problem solved.
 
2012-07-31 08:44:37 AM

finnished: Yeah, I don't get this about BYOD. Sure, there are companies that would reimburse you $10 and a car wash coupon for using your own device. But there are actually people who would say to a company, "PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE LET ME USE MY iPHONE/ANDROID/WHATEVER, I WILL PAY FOR IT MYSELF."


That person has likely already paid for their personal phone and doesn't want to get stuck carrying around multiple phones.
 
2012-07-31 08:47:38 AM
I saw a lot of people from RIM at Grand Central the other day doing some kind of exhibition to promote their tablet.

I remember thinkign I hope those people were paid up front in cash, as I have doubts that their paychecks will clear..
 
2012-07-31 08:48:14 AM

finnished: Yeah, I don't get this about BYOD. Sure, there are companies that would reimburse you $10 and a car wash coupon for using your own device. But there are actually people who would say to a company, "PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE LET ME USE MY iPHONE/ANDROID/WHATEVER, I WILL PAY FOR IT MYSELF."


I have around 8 co-workers who use their own device without being re-imbursed by the company. We paid for the Good license, but they pay airtime and the data plan.
 
2012-07-31 09:06:20 AM

BizarreMan: finnished: Yeah, I don't get this about BYOD. Sure, there are companies that would reimburse you $10 and a car wash coupon for using your own device. But there are actually people who would say to a company, "PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE LET ME USE MY iPHONE/ANDROID/WHATEVER, I WILL PAY FOR IT MYSELF."

I have around 8 co-workers who use their own device without being re-imbursed by the company. We paid for the Good license, but they pay airtime and the data plan.


I don't think there is anything wrong with employees paying for their own device/plan as long as they aren't expected to return calls/reply to emails after work hours.
 
2012-07-31 09:16:34 AM
Wow... RIM has to be the worst run company of all time.. they never cease to amaze
 
2012-07-31 09:23:38 AM

Carth: BizarreMan: finnished: Yeah, I don't get this about BYOD. Sure, there are companies that would reimburse you $10 and a car wash coupon for using your own device. But there are actually people who would say to a company, "PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE LET ME USE MY iPHONE/ANDROID/WHATEVER, I WILL PAY FOR IT MYSELF."

I have around 8 co-workers who use their own device without being re-imbursed by the company. We paid for the Good license, but they pay airtime and the data plan.

I don't think there is anything wrong with employees paying for their own device/plan as long as they aren't expected to return calls/reply to emails after work hours.


That's basically how it is where I work. A lot of guys have iPhones or Android devices and ask to get setup with email on them. We have no policies forbidding it, so I always help them out. We sell beans, so it's not like there is any super secret data flying around via email, so it just makes sense for the guys who work with our growers in the fields to have access to their email while they are out and about.

We also have a firewall solution which has a VPN client for iPhone. I have it installed for a couple of our managers and such, and they love it. They can get on our sharepoint server, and connect to our ERP right from their iDevices, from anywhere. It really does make them much more productive when travelling. I usually ask a lot of questions about how they are going to use their device and why they want to have access to email, etc. If they are going to be using it pretty heavily to help the company, I will go to the CFO on their behalf and ask that we start reimbursing their cell plan for them. If they just want to have access so they can say they have access, I just set it up for them and let them go on their way.
 
2012-07-31 10:16:07 AM

Joe_diGriz: Will this one actually have a built-in email client?


Perhaps a calender, even?
 
2012-07-31 10:25:48 AM
Do you still have to stand on your head and jump if you want to connect it to your email server?
 
2012-07-31 10:43:11 AM

Carth: I don't think there is anything wrong with employees paying for their own device/plan as long as they aren't expected to return calls/reply to emails after work hours.


Do you also think you shouldn't be expected to show up to the office if the company doesn't pay for your car and gas?
 
2012-07-31 11:17:29 AM

lilplatinum: Carth: I don't think there is anything wrong with employees paying for their own device/plan as long as they aren't expected to return calls/reply to emails after work hours.

Do you also think you shouldn't be expected to show up to the office if the company doesn't pay for your car and gas?


I don't. But if they want me to have a cell phone for work related calls, you better believe they're paying for it. Other wise I'll get back to whoever in the morning when I'm back in the office. If it's that important that they be able to contact me outside of regular business hours, Buy me a phone.

I'm not paying money out of my pocket so someone can call me at all hours with idiotic requests that could have waited until morning.
 
2012-07-31 11:38:37 AM

abhorrent1: I don't. But if they want me to have a cell phone for work related calls, you better believe they're paying for it. Other wise I'll get back to whoever in the morning when I'm back in the office. If it's that important that they be able to contact me outside of regular business hours, Buy me a phone.

I'm not paying money out of my pocket so someone can call me at all hours with idiotic requests that could have waited until morning.


Almost every company will give you a phone if your expected to be on call. Most bring your on phones are people who have better phones already and don't want to carry two phones around all the time. My old job they wanted me to have a blackberry and I said fark that, just give me email on my android.

And for a lot of non IT monkeys, phones are a blessing - but for a phone I'd be stuck in the office for obscene hours.
 
2012-07-31 12:55:02 PM

lilplatinum:
Almost every company will give you a phone if your expected to be on call. Most bring your on phones are people who have better phones already and don't want to carry two phones around all the time. My old job they wanted me to have a blackberry and I said fark that, just give me email on my android.

And for a lot of non IT monkeys, phones are a blessing - but for a phone I'd be stuck in the office for obscene hours.


Agreed. I have a work provided phone.I actually work from home quite a bit so I'm not opposed to getting calls late for that reason. I guess my point was, if you want me to be flexible, provide and pay for the tools I need and be flexible as well. You want me in the office every day on a rigid schedule, fine. But then don't expect me to answer the phone after I leave.

Provide me a phone and let me come and go as I please, I'll take calls and work pretty much whenever.
Not sure what any of this has to do with apple selling the same product over and over but whatever.
 
2012-07-31 05:31:57 PM
Ghastly:
RIM is a company doomed by its own hubris. For years they've told their customers what it is they should want in a smartphone and not listened to what it was the customer wanted.

Citation needed. I work at RIM, and while I don't represent the company, this isn't at all in line with anything I've ever seen or heard with regard to customers.

Their only chance to make it is to give up on their own crappy operating system and go android, then license out their BBM

What is wrong with the unreleased operating system (aside from the fact it is unreleased)?
 
2012-07-31 06:14:42 PM

lilplatinum: Do you also think you shouldn't be expected to show up to the office if the company doesn't pay for your car and gas?


I fail to see what one has to do with the other. If I'm not on call it's not the company's business how I get there as long as I get there on time. It can be car, bus, walking, or magic carpet ride, it doesn't matter. Unless you are on call you shouldn't have to give your cell number to your employer, because they WILL use it. Look at it this way if you didn't have a phone would you be required to get one as a condition of employment?
 
2012-07-31 10:33:29 PM

daveinsurgent: Ghastly:
RIM is a company doomed by its own hubris. For years they've told their customers what it is they should want in a smartphone and not listened to what it was the customer wanted.

Citation needed. I work at RIM, and while I don't represent the company, this isn't at all in line with anything I've ever seen or heard with regard to customers.


It's not true. I've worked WITH RIM as an enterprise customer manager for the past 8 years. If anything, they over-committed to provide for their customers. Most of the security features included in the BBOS are there because the US government asked for it, and RIM provided it. That allowed them to take their eye off the ball for the consumer market. In terms of customers, RIM bent over backwards to their own detriment.

Yeah, they farked up, but accusing RIM of not listening to their customers is a bogus complaint. They listened too much. Bad management? Sure. Bad direction? Sure. But ignoring customers? Nope.
 
2012-08-01 03:12:45 PM

mjbok: I fail to see what one has to do with the other. If I'm not on call it's not the company's business how I get there as long as I get there on time. It can be car, bus, walking, or magic carpet ride, it doesn't matter. Unless you are on call you shouldn't have to give your cell number to your employer, because they WILL use it. Look at it this way if you didn't have a phone would you be required to get one as a condition of employment?


Well I am the boss so no, I would not be required.

But the alternative would be staying at the office for 13 hours every day, so I would much rather come and go as I please and use my own phone were those the choices..
 
2012-08-01 09:52:24 PM

Lsherm: daveinsurgent: Ghastly:
RIM is a company doomed by its own hubris. For years they've told their customers what it is they should want in a smartphone and not listened to what it was the customer wanted.

Citation needed. I work at RIM, and while I don't represent the company, this isn't at all in line with anything I've ever seen or heard with regard to customers.

It's not true. I've worked WITH RIM as an enterprise customer manager for the past 8 years. If anything, they over-committed to provide for their customers. Most of the security features included in the BBOS are there because the US government asked for it, and RIM provided it. That allowed them to take their eye off the ball for the consumer market. In terms of customers, RIM bent over backwards to their own detriment.

Yeah, they farked up, but accusing RIM of not listening to their customers is a bogus complaint. They listened too much. Bad management? Sure. Bad direction? Sure. But ignoring customers? Nope.


Back when I owned a blackberry a number of musicians who were blackberry owners were asking why we couldn't find decent music apps on the blackberry and we were basically told "we r serious company, this is serious phone. You want toys go buy apple". There were a lot of things I liked about my blackberry but the fact that they seemed to believe the only legitimate use for a phone was e-mail and BBM and everything else was beneath them as a company made me switch. If you look on their forums there are probably a lot of the argument posts still there between the people wanting more than just e-mail and the people wanting to pretend they're Gordon Gekko just because they own a blackberry. They were a stuffy company with a narrow vision of what a smartphone should and could be and frankly if they go tits up it will be their own damned fault.
 
2012-08-02 10:45:55 PM

Ghastly: Lsherm: daveinsurgent: Ghastly:
They were a stuffy company with a narrow vision of what a smartphone should and could be and frankly if they go tits up it will be their own damned fault.


So, once again, I have never, ever, not once, not even in jest, heard any of my coworkers ever at all make any indication that they a) knew what was best for the customers and b) thought the devices were only appropriate for business.
 
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