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2012-07-30 10:30:56 PM  

Fifi Le Pew: Please, please, please, baby Jesus; do not let this man become president. Amen.


I mean, voters...they don't like being taxed at a time like this...the economy...no sitting President has been re-elected...he's spending more than he's taking in--

/what were we talking about again?
 
2012-07-30 10:34:43 PM  

keithgabryelski: MeinRS6: And there is no hate or racism in my posts

are your saying you're not a racist or just that your posts are carefully worded enough to avoid racist comments?

here, let me help you:

MeinRS6:
[...] Palestinian [...] are 100% corrupt from top to bottom and there is no justice anywhere to be found in the entire system.

if i've misquoted you or quoted you out of context, please speak up.

You are a racist -- that is fact.

You don't avoid posting racist comments: THAT is a fact.

where were we, now? please carry on


Well, neither Muslims or Palestinians are a race.

It's not that he hates them. It's just that his Bronze age middle eastern war god is so much bigger than their middle age middle eastern moon god, you see.
 
2012-07-30 10:35:35 PM  

keithgabryelski: MeinRS6: And there is no hate or racism in my posts

are your saying you're not a racist or just that your posts are carefully worded enough to avoid racist comments?

here, let me help you:

MeinRS6:
[...] Palestinian [...] are 100% corrupt from top to bottom and there is no justice anywhere to be found in the entire system.

if i've misquoted you or quoted you out of context, please speak up.

You are a racist -- that is fact.

You don't avoid posting racist comments: THAT is a fact.

where were we, now? please carry on


I've never been a racist in my entire life. I've never been accused of being a racist until I started posting on Fark with a bunch of liberal idiots that throw around that accusation more often than they breathe. When they can't form an argument, they cry "Racist!". It's that simple and completely meaningless coming from any Farklib.

Palestinian is not a race, and even if it were I wouldn't be racist against them. I stated several times already that their problems are the result of their poor choices. It has nothing to do with their skin color or any other things that one may use to make a racial identification. Pointing out that the leaders that run the society are corrupt does not make me racist either. It's a simple fact that serious corruption is a fact of life in that society. If that is news to you - then it means that you don't know much. It doesn't mean that I'm racist.
 
2012-07-30 10:37:22 PM  

whidbey: MeinRS6: whidbey: MeinRS6: And there is no hate or racism in my posts.

Liar.

I think everyone knows you are a liar, so I'm not going to worry about you sitting there stewing in your own filth. If you want to quote something I posted and explain how it is racist, then have at it. Otherwise, STFU.

Just stating a fact. Your projection doesn't make it any less. As for your posts, they very much show a hatred for Palestinians and your lockstep support for Israel's racist policies is very much reflected as well.

The honorable thing to do is own up to it.


Like I said - everyone already knows that you are a liar.

Put up or shut up.
 
2012-07-30 10:42:48 PM  

MeinRS6: Like I said - everyone already knows that you are a liar.

Put up or shut up.


Please name a single person who would take your word on something over his. Or even over anyones. And no, your other troll/alt accounts don't count.
 
2012-07-30 10:50:00 PM  

Magorn: It's pretty bad when your own "Chief foreign policy surrogate" has to publicly say "I'm sure the governor meant to say something less stunning stupid than the words that actually came out of his mouth"

"I am sure that Gov. Romney was not talking about difference in cultures, or difference in anybody superior or inferior," said McCain, a chief Romney foreign policy surrogate, today during a news conference after an event here with Sens. Kelly Ayotte (R-NH) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC). "What I'm sure Gov. Romney was talking was that the Israeli economy has grown and prospered in a dramatic fashion. And unfortunately, the Palestinians have not had that same economic development"

Which is fine as far as it goes but then McCain goes off the rails into Republican fantasy land:
"And that goes to the leadership of the Palestinians. Everybody knows that Yasser Arafat was corrupt. And we also know that the Palestinian people have not been blessed with the kind of government that has lower regulations, less taxes, entrepreneurship, which have caused the Israeli economy to be one of the world's most successful.

No, the difference is really that the Israelis for the last twenty years have systematically undertaken to destroy Palestine economically and wipe out its middle class completely. Every time they stage "retailiatory" raids they seem to always hit civilian factories at the same time, either "accidentially" or by design.

It's almost as if they WANT Palestine to be utterly economically dependant on Israel, while ensuring the majority of its people stay in grinding poverty rather than standing on thier own two feet. But that's crazy since those conditions are a breeding ground for radicialism and the only reason Israel would do THAT is if the current government there needed a looming threat from the Palestinians to maintain thier own grip on power....but that's just crazy talk right?


Oh for a minute there I thought you were talking about Wall Street
 
2012-07-30 10:50:24 PM  

MeinRS6: whidbey: MeinRS6: whidbey: MeinRS6: And there is no hate or racism in my posts.

Liar.

I think everyone knows you are a liar, so I'm not going to worry about you sitting there stewing in your own filth. If you want to quote something I posted and explain how it is racist, then have at it. Otherwise, STFU.

Just stating a fact. Your projection doesn't make it any less. As for your posts, they very much show a hatred for Palestinians and your lockstep support for Israel's racist policies is very much reflected as well.

The honorable thing to do is own up to it.

Like I said - everyone already knows that you are a liar.

Put up or shut up.


Again projecting onto me doesn't clear you of anything.

You hate the Palestinians. And you support Israel's racist policies.

I don't see how continuing to deny the corrections made to your comments serves anything. Your response is uncalled for.
 
2012-07-30 10:51:10 PM  
If only the Palestinians weren't so lazy they'd dig more tunnels to egypt so they can trade outside of their ghetto with more efficiency.
 
2012-07-30 10:54:08 PM  

MeinRS6: Do you think that a bunch of Dutch that were on that same land would have made peace and turned it into something by now?


The Dutch made peace with their Spanish overlords when the Spanish gave up, not when the Dutch gave up.
 
2012-07-30 11:03:25 PM  

MeinRS6: keithgabryelski: MeinRS6: And there is no hate or racism in my posts

are your saying you're not a racist or just that your posts are carefully worded enough to avoid racist comments?

here, let me help you:

MeinRS6:
[...] Palestinian [...] are 100% corrupt from top to bottom and there is no justice anywhere to be found in the entire system.

if i've misquoted you or quoted you out of context, please speak up.

You are a racist -- that is fact.

You don't avoid posting racist comments: THAT is a fact.

where were we, now? please carry on

I've never been a racist in my entire life. I've never been accused of being a racist until I started posting on Fark with a bunch of liberal idiots that throw around that accusation more often than they breathe. When they can't form an argument, they cry "Racist!". It's that simple and completely meaningless coming from any Farklib.


well, it's time you got used to it. Racist might not be the correct word, bigot certainly is. and you are merely mincing words to avoid the racist comment. I have to say, i don't generally track individuals on this site, i try to let some stuff pass because i think this site lets people "let loose" sometimes and reset for some sane conversation, later -- but you have been disingenuous in this single thread -- and that can't go unnoticed.

"100% corrupt from top to bottom" -- those are you words re-evaluate your position -- if no one has called you a bigot until you got to fark, then it is time for you to seek out friends that will give you honest feedback.

you also used these words "The poison of islam".


Palestinian is not a race, and even if it were I wouldn't be racist against them. I stated several times already that their problems are the result of their poor choices. It has nothing to do with their skin color or any other things that one may use to make a racial identification. Pointing out that the leaders that run the society are corrupt does not make me racist either. It's a simple fact that serious corruption is a fact of life in that society. If that is news to you - then it means that you don't know much. It doesn't mean that I'm racist.


here, again, you're now mincing words and re-categorizing your target.

AND you are basically trying to say "i'm not prejudicial because what I'm saying is truth".

but, correct, i was mistaken by calling you a racist.
 
2012-07-30 11:05:58 PM  

whidbey: MeinRS6: whidbey: MeinRS6: whidbey: MeinRS6: And there is no hate or racism in my posts.

Liar.

I think everyone knows you are a liar, so I'm not going to worry about you sitting there stewing in your own filth. If you want to quote something I posted and explain how it is racist, then have at it. Otherwise, STFU.

Just stating a fact. Your projection doesn't make it any less. As for your posts, they very much show a hatred for Palestinians and your lockstep support for Israel's racist policies is very much reflected as well.

The honorable thing to do is own up to it.

Like I said - everyone already knows that you are a liar.

Put up or shut up.

Again projecting onto me doesn't clear you of anything.

You hate the Palestinians. And you support Israel's racist policies.


More lying from you. I don't hate the Palestinians. That's a fact. Deal with it and stop making up lies.

And I support Israel's right to exist as a nation, and that is something that Hamas and other Palestinian terror organizations and many Palestinians have said they want to put an end to. So I disagree with those Palestinians on that point, but that doesn't mean I sit around hating all Palestinians or that I'm racist. So stop lying. You have once again failed to provide any evidence of your lies. Maybe you should try some new lies and see if you can support those. Allah knows that you aren't going to start telling the truth now.

Do you think Hamas and what they teach children is racist or are you good with all of that?
 
2012-07-30 11:08:19 PM  

Magorn: It's almost as if they WANT Palestine to be utterly economically dependant on Israel, while ensuring the majority of its people stay in grinding poverty rather than standing on thier own two feet. But that's crazy since those conditions are a breeding ground for radicialism and the only reason Israel would do THAT is if the current government there needed a looming threat from the Palestinians to maintain thier own grip on power....but that's just crazy talk right?


I'll continue in your aluminum-foil hat vein, to wit:

Americans always vote for the more likeable guy. None of the R-tards are/were likeable. Therefore, Romney cannot deliver anything while presidentin'; he must deliver it while campaigning.

America is withdrawing from its latest one-night-stand with Ares and the American people clearly have no liver for another one yet. But what if war came to them? What if Ares hopped into bed with another nation and America had no choice but to take up with Athena? The military-industrial complex (in collusion with... the dairy cartel!) doesn't care whether you're on the offensive or the defensive.

Here, have your hat back.
 
2012-07-30 11:14:08 PM  

MeinRS6: whidbey: MeinRS6: whidbey: MeinRS6: whidbey: MeinRS6: And there is no hate or racism in my posts.

Liar.

I think everyone knows you are a liar, so I'm not going to worry about you sitting there stewing in your own filth. If you want to quote something I posted and explain how it is racist, then have at it. Otherwise, STFU.

Just stating a fact. Your projection doesn't make it any less. As for your posts, they very much show a hatred for Palestinians and your lockstep support for Israel's racist policies is very much reflected as well.

The honorable thing to do is own up to it.

Like I said - everyone already knows that you are a liar.

Put up or shut up.

Again projecting onto me doesn't clear you of anything.

You hate the Palestinians. And you support Israel's racist policies.

More lying from you. I don't hate the Palestinians. That's a fact. Deal with it and stop making up lies.

And I support Israel's right to exist as a nation, and that is something that Hamas and other Palestinian terror organizations and many Palestinians have said they want to put an end to. So I disagree with those Palestinians on that point, but that doesn't mean I sit around hating all Palestinians or that I'm racist. So stop lying. You have once again failed to provide any evidence of your lies. Maybe you should try some new lies and see if you can support those. Allah knows that you aren't going to start telling the truth now.


You're a broken record. Or in this case, projector.

Do you think Hamas and what they teach children is racist or are you good with all of that?

Coming from you, I don't know what to think. I would be inclined to believe that you're only presenting one side of the story, and that's from the Israeli side.

At any rate, your posts speak for themselves. You claim to say you don't hate the Palestinians but the tone in your posts is completely hateful. It's not "lying" to point it out.

And yes, bigoted, too. It's really quite painful watching you deny both.
 
2012-07-30 11:27:03 PM  

keithgabryelski: but, correct, i was mistaken by calling you a racist


Well, you got that part right anyway. Good for you. We'll count that as progress.

And I'm not mincing words at all as you claim. There are serious problems in Palestinian society that other societies have made much better decisions on. It's not bigotry to say that either. Just like it's not bigotry to talk about the corruption that keeps so many Palestinians in grinding poverty despite all of the money given to various groups there. A lot of that money is going to Switzerland and other places. Arafat did not die a poor man. Neither will the current hoods in charge of Gaza or the West Bank. They aren't corrupt because they are Palestinian either. They are corrupt because of the choices that they are making every single day.

Big changes need to take place in order to turn that society around and have one based on justice for all of the people there. In order to do that so non-corrupt institutions must be established and develop a track record of justice.
 
2012-07-30 11:28:20 PM  

whidbey: And yes, bigoted, too. It's really quite painful watching you


You are a liar that cannot back up his lies. STFU.
 
2012-07-30 11:38:17 PM  

MeinRS6: keithgabryelski: but, correct, i was mistaken by calling you a racist

Well, you got that part right anyway. Good for you. We'll count that as progress.

And I'm not mincing words at all as you claim. There are serious problems in Palestinian society that other societies have made much better decisions on. It's not bigotry to say that either. Just like it's not bigotry to talk about the corruption that keeps so many Palestinians in grinding poverty despite all of the money given to various groups there. A lot of that money is going to Switzerland and other places. Arafat did not die a poor man. Neither will the current hoods in charge of Gaza or the West Bank. They aren't corrupt because they are Palestinian either. They are corrupt because of the choices that they are making every single day.

Big changes need to take place in order to turn that society around and have one based on justice for all of the people there. In order to do that so non-corrupt institutions must be established and develop a track record of justice.


Israel needs to help too.

Kicking Palestinians out of their homes just so they can bulldoze them and build yet another settlement, isn't doing anyone any favors as well.

We need to get rid of this black/white mindset we have of this conflict and let's actually view it like rational human beings.
 
2012-07-30 11:38:51 PM  

MeinRS6: keithgabryelski: but, correct, i was mistaken by calling you a racist

Well, you got that part right anyway. Good for you. We'll count that as progress.

And I'm not mincing words at all as you claim. [...]


FOCUS.

these are the bigoted words that are under discussion:

"[Palestinians are] 100% corrupt from top to bottom" and "The poison of islam [...]".
 
2012-07-30 11:45:28 PM  

Mrtraveler01: We need to get rid of this black/white mindset we have of this conflict and let's actually view it like rational human beings.


For that to happen, all of the Palestinian leadership has to reject all previous calls for the destruction of Israel and fully accept its right to exist as a state. They've got to do it loud, in public, and in Arabic. And they've got to do it over and over again until all the people get it. Do you realize that right now that the Palestinians do not even recognize Israel as a state? Ending that denial of reality would be a fine place to start.

If the Palestinians keep calling for the destruction of Israel, preaching racism, firing rockets, and engaging in suicide attacks, then they are going no where.
 
2012-07-30 11:47:54 PM  

MeinRS6: Mrtraveler01: We need to get rid of this black/white mindset we have of this conflict and let's actually view it like rational human beings.

For that to happen, all of the Palestinian leadership has to reject all previous calls for the destruction of Israel and fully accept its right to exist as a state. They've got to do it loud, in public, and in Arabic. And they've got to do it over and over again until all the people get it. Do you realize that right now that the Palestinians do not even recognize Israel as a state? Ending that denial of reality would be a fine place to start.

If the Palestinians keep calling for the destruction of Israel, preaching racism, firing rockets, and engaging in suicide attacks, then they are going no where.


And that justifies Israel building settlements where Palestinaian houses used to be how?

I understand Israel's right to exist. I'm just not blind to the dickish tatics that have happened on the Israeli side of the conflict.
 
2012-07-30 11:50:09 PM  

EvilEgg: cretinbob: [lans-soapbox.com image 600x369]

Shouldn't we update that idiom to "It's like the pot calling the kettle silvery grey?" All of my pots and my kettle are stainless steel now. I have cast iron fry pan, but no pot.


That idiom was never true, I have a copper kettle over hundred years old that my great-great-grandfather made.
 
2012-07-30 11:51:05 PM  

keithgabryelski: MeinRS6: keithgabryelski: but, correct, i was mistaken by calling you a racist

Well, you got that part right anyway. Good for you. We'll count that as progress.

And I'm not mincing words at all as you claim. [...]

FOCUS.

these are the bigoted words that are under discussion:

"[Palestinians are] 100% corrupt from top to bottom" and "The poison of islam [...]".


In the Weeners I was talking about the gov't and institutions, not each individual. However, the institutions are made up of individuals, so for real change to take place, people have to start actively rejecting and combating corruption. That is not the current state of affairs there.

The second comment about islam is about the suppression of human rights and many other highly damaging things that political islam does to a society. If you are not aware of any of those things, then I suggest that you do some research and I would highly recommend that you travel to the region. There are a lot of things that you can't learn in a book - and there are a lot of things that books get wrong. If you want to try to convince me or anyone else that islam being in control of your gov't is a good idea and will lead to the best society - then good luck.
 
2012-07-30 11:54:36 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I understand Israel's right to exist.


Then you are a million miles ahead of most Palestinians. You could probably work out a peace agreement with Israel.

Of course, you haven't been brought up as a Palestinian in their culture though. That's what this conversation is about. It's not about how you and I view the situation. We could hammer out a deal in a weekend. They can't., because of their simple refusal to acknowledge even the right for a Jew to be anywhere near them.
 
2012-07-30 11:55:28 PM  

MeinRS6: The second comment about islam is about the suppression of human rights and many other highly damaging things that political islam does to a society.


Political Christianity does the same thing.

/See: Middle Ages
 
2012-07-30 11:58:03 PM  

Mrtraveler01: MeinRS6: The second comment about islam is about the suppression of human rights and many other highly damaging things that political islam does to a society.

Political Christianity does the same thing.

/See: Middle Ages


I guess it's good that we aren't in the middle ages anymore then.

Too bad some cultures never even made it that far.
 
2012-07-31 12:01:22 AM  

MeinRS6: Of course, you haven't been brought up as a Palestinian in their culture though. That's what this conversation is about. It's not about how you and I view the situation. We could hammer out a deal in a weekend. They can't., because of their simple refusal to acknowledge even the right for a Jew to be anywhere near them.


I don't think it's as simplistic as you make it sound. You also need to consider the fact that Israel is seen as the "outsider" to them.

You also need to take in the fact that Israel walls off Palestinians in virtual prisons, shoots Palestianians in the streets for throwing rocks at big massive tanks, and essentially cuts off their supplies and access to the world outside of the West Bank and Gaza.

When facing all of that and then seeing a group like Hamas provide schools, hospitials, and etc, people will look past the wiping Israel off of the map rhetoric side of Hamas and still support them because of all the social services they provide to the Palestinians.

Not saying that I agree with their political views of course, but I can understand it.

What I also understand is that as long as we have this black/white and us vs. them mentality when looking at the Israel/Palestine conflict here in the West, this conflict will not end anytime in the immediate future.
 
2012-07-31 12:04:06 AM  

BritneysSpeculum: MeinRS6: McCain is so pathetic.

When faced with reality - deny it. Then call Lindsey Graham and order him to find some microphone and parrot whatever your rotting corpse just said.



Romney is backing away from the statement too in case you missed that little flip flop.



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If the media wants you to look good when flip-flopping, they call it "backing away from".

If the media wants you to look bad when flip-flopping, the call it "flip-flopping".

Romney has been getting plenty of the "backing away from" treatment from the MSM where in 2004 John Kerry was getting the "flip flopper" treatment.
 
2012-07-31 12:04:33 AM  

MeinRS6: Mrtraveler01: MeinRS6: The second comment about islam is about the suppression of human rights and many other highly damaging things that political islam does to a society.

Political Christianity does the same thing.

/See: Middle Ages

I guess it's good that we aren't in the middle ages anymore then.

Too bad some cultures never even made it that far.


Islam is also a much younger religion than Christianity.

But the Middle Ages-style Christianity is still alive in some parts of the world

Link

But it's much easier to blame Muslims for everything isn't it?
 
2012-07-31 12:05:15 AM  

MeinRS6: whidbey: And yes, bigoted, too. It's really quite painful watching you

You are a liar that cannot back up his lies. STFU.


Again, calling me a liar doesn't make me one, nor does it lessen the criticism leveled against you in this thread.

The honorable thing to do is back down, and accept it.
 
2012-07-31 12:09:26 AM  

What Rmoney cares about:

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/i would do terrible, disgusting, unforgivable, indescribable things to her -- in that outfit
//sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-07-31 12:10:35 AM  

whidbey: MeinRS6: whidbey: And yes, bigoted, too. It's really quite painful watching you

You are a liar that cannot back up his lies. STFU.

Again, calling me a liar doesn't make me one


That's true. You lying is what makes you one.
 
2012-07-31 12:14:08 AM  

MeinRS6: whidbey: MeinRS6: whidbey: And yes, bigoted, too. It's really quite painful watching you

You are a liar that cannot back up his lies. STFU.

Again, calling me a liar doesn't make me one

That's true. You lying is what makes you one.


OK, dude, fine. I think we've had enough of a go around with that one.
This is supposed to be a discussion about Romney's bigoted remarks about how Israel is culturally superior to Palestine and that McCain is both flustered and covering for him.

Still, it's interesting that you continue to deflect rather than address the concerns about the anti-Palestinian comments you've been making here.
 
2012-07-31 12:14:11 AM  

Mrtraveler01: MeinRS6: Mrtraveler01: MeinRS6: The second comment about islam is about the suppression of human rights and many other highly damaging things that political islam does to a society.

Political Christianity does the same thing.

/See: Middle Ages

I guess it's good that we aren't in the middle ages anymore then.

Too bad some cultures never even made it that far.

Islam is also a much younger religion than Christianity.

But the Middle Ages-style Christianity is still alive in some parts of the world

Link

But it's much easier to blame Muslims for everything isn't it?


WTF are you talking about?

Are you under the impression that islam does not have a major impact on what goes on in the Palestinian territories? I'm not arguing that Christianity, Hinduism, or Scientology are perfect. I'm talking about what matters in this particular situation - and political islam IS NOT HELPING.

Would you like to try to change the subject some more? We could discuss other religions that I don't think are perfect - or maybe wait for a thread about that.
 
2012-07-31 12:16:08 AM  

whidbey: MeinRS6: whidbey: MeinRS6: whidbey: And yes, bigoted, too. It's really quite painful watching you

You are a liar that cannot back up his lies. STFU.

Again, calling me a liar doesn't make me one

That's true. You lying is what makes you one.

OK, dude, fine. I think we've had enough of a go around with that one.
This is supposed to be a discussion about Romney's bigoted remarks about how Israel is culturally superior to Palestine and that McCain is both flustered and covering for him.

Still, it's interesting that you continue to deflect rather than address the concerns about the anti-Palestinian comments you've been making here.


You are too stupid to discuss anything with - and you are also a liar. And a racist and a bigot. So we can end our discussion there if you like.
 
2012-07-31 12:18:56 AM  

MeinRS6: Islam is also a much younger religion than Christianity.


No shiat, and christianity is younger than Judaism. point? Jews oppressed, people formed a new religion, called it Christianity. Then Christianity oppressed ("Crusades"). Oppressed... formed a new religion, called it Muslim.

/♫ connect the dots, la la la, connect the dots, la la la ♫
 
2012-07-31 12:21:45 AM  
don't pay attention to how stupid Romney is, just elect him to be your leader
 
2012-07-31 12:22:45 AM  
You guys, a senior Palastinian official straight-up called him a racist. Let's not bicker over semantics here.
 
2012-07-31 12:23:17 AM  
Obvious tag out of the country starting international incidents?
 
2012-07-31 12:32:15 AM  

vernonFL: It IS true that Arafat was corrupt.

But Arafat died years ago and there has been (relative) peace in both Gaza and the West Bank for the last few years, especially in the West Bank.

The truth is that Israel is an aparteid state and people in the West Bank are seen as second class citizens at beast, sub-humans at worst.


Well put.

Note that Israel certainly has a nuke program uninspected by the IAEA and more than likely helped apartied S Africa w that too.

I just hold out hope that the Israelis who realize this ain't right and quite frankly not in their best interest anyway will prevail. Things like the most recent Gaza War just breed new radicals ...
 
2012-07-31 12:33:20 AM  

MeinRS6: For that to happen, all of the Palestinian Native American leadership has to reject all previous calls for the destruction of Israelthe United States and fully accept its right to exist as a state.


Funny how it makes sense when you change some words around.
 
2012-07-31 12:39:27 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: vernonFL: It IS true that Arafat was corrupt.

But Arafat died years ago and there has been (relative) peace in both Gaza and the West Bank for the last few years, especially in the West Bank.

The truth is that Israel is an aparteid state and people in the West Bank are seen as second class citizens at beast, sub-humans at worst.

Well put.

Note that Israel certainly has a nuke program uninspected by the IAEA and more than likely helped apartied S Africa w that too.

I just hold out hope that the Israelis who realize this ain't right and quite frankly not in their best interest anyway will prevail. Things like the most recent Gaza War just breed new radicals ...


Forgot to add: not just Muslims either. I watched coverage of that in a ME Christian coffeshop where the owner and clientele generally had fled Iraq or other countries bc of persecution... they were all still aghast.

/SE Michigander
//remember it well watching that on their screens in the first few days where it didn't even merit a headline atop nytimes.com... Guardian, BBC, but...
 
2012-07-31 12:55:22 AM  
So picking a fight with the Palestinians will get you right with the Jews in the U.S.?

Riiiiiiiight
 
2012-07-31 01:06:52 AM  
McCain seems to be running out of ways to clean up after Romney. What's the over/under on his going off the reservation and telling Romney to go f himself?
 
2012-07-31 01:19:13 AM  

themindiswatching: MeinRS6: For that to happen, all of the Palestinian Native American leadership has to reject all previous calls for the destruction of Israelthe United States and fully accept its right to exist as a state.

Funny how it makes sense when you change some words around.


No, what's funny is how dumb people sound when they do what you did there.

The situations are so completely different that your post only merits a small chuckle.
 
2012-07-31 03:31:19 AM  
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2012-07-31 06:15:24 AM  
It's so nice to see you guys lay in the corner, shake and pee all over yourselves because you know no matter what, Romney is the better man. Heh I hope you get it taken care of before you lay down because your mommy won't like it if you pee in bed.
 
2012-07-31 06:25:15 AM  

WaffleStomper: It's so nice to see you guys lay in the corner, shake and pee all over yourselves because you know no matter what, Romney is the better man. Heh I hope you get it taken care of before you lay down because your mommy won't like it if you pee in bed.


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2012-07-31 06:26:59 AM  

WaffleStomper: It's so nice to see you guys lay in the corner, shake and pee all over yourselves because you know no matter what, Romney is the better man. Heh I hope you get it taken care of before you lay down because your mommy won't like it if you pee in bed.


Heh. Plano. shiat. I owe your shiat-hole town a royalty for my shiat-hole fan-fic! Eat it, biatch!
 
2012-07-31 06:45:20 AM  
The GOP criticized president Obama saying he went around the world apologizing for the U.S. I guess they prefer sending a buffoon around the world and then having surrogates apologize for his gaffes in the U.S.
 
2012-07-31 06:51:00 AM  

WaffleStomper: It's so nice to see you guys lay in the corner, shake and pee all over yourselves because you know no matter what, Romney is the better man. Heh I hope you get it taken care of before you lay down because your mommy won't like it if you pee in bed.


Your mommy loves it when I pee in bed.
 
2012-07-31 06:55:05 AM  
Oh Bullshiat...

Romney has always pushed the same Prosperity Gospel crap.

He thinks wealthy people are inherently superior to the poor and that the only reason people are poor is due to their own moral failings.

That aside, what Romney said demonstrates a remarkable ignorance about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Lets forcibly take away all of Mitt's money and land, severely restrict his ability to move around, drop him in the middle of a ghetto somewhere, and see how well he does.

A borderline racist comment and completely ignorant and self-righteous.

This clown is obviously not ready for the big leagues.
 
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