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I told that teacher lady the only numbers I need to know are U, S and A.
You misspelled meth
LAUGHTER OL if you cannot understand the simple algebra then you do not deserve to get to second base at all. That clasps are on the front of those silly.

Thoguh: Kimothy: Most people aren't using algebra in their everyday lives.

Hamburger meat is \$2.99 a pound, how much is three pounds?

\$4.71
They're, not their. Damn.
John P. Smith III, an educational psychologist at Michigan State University who has studied math education, has found that "mathematical reasoning in workplaces differs markedly from the algorithms taught in school."

No shiat. That's because you aren't supposed to learn the algorithms; you're supposed to learn how abstraction and reasoning lead to the algorithms. We don't need any more people in the workforce who are experts in applying the quadratic formula, but that simply isn't the point. Mathematical reasoning in workplaces takes the form of abstraction and identification of relationships between abstractions. These are the skills you are supposed to begin to develop in high school "algebra" and geometry. And if you can't, you should be a barrista or some kind of clerk. You have no business making decisions. Or you could be a political science professor, who's work depends heavily on numbers he doesn't understand. You could do that, too.

The problem here is that a square root of a positive number is both the positive and the negative value. So woman = +/- problem.

She's exists as either the problem or the solution, and you don't know which until you check.

That's probably a more profound truth than the original post.

\Once diagrammed Romeo and Juliet in terms of Lorenz Strange Attractors.
\\They were always doomed.

Graffito: Kimothy: Their definitely not using trig or calculus, unless they pursued careers that use those things.

My brother cannot understand the different between growth at a slower rate and shrinking. This impacts his ability to understand all manner of social and economic issues. Even if you don't solve trig and calculus problems everyday, mastering those concepts allows you to better understand the world around you.

Most farkers don't understand the difference either. Thus the Politics tab.
If I didn't know algebra, I wouldn't know how to buy enough hot dogs and buns so they would equal up.

wingedkat:
1. Math majors shouldn't teach math.

I found some of your homework.

I hope that mathematics departments can also create courses in the history and philosophy of their discipline, as well as its applications in early cultures. Why not mathematics in art and music - even poetry

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there is no need to teach ANY of these useless topics. history? worthless. science? useless. philosophy is for morons. literature, writing, reading? only librarians would need these useless skillz.

school should require only recess, lunch, sex, internet stuff and how to get cheat codes for video games.

/LOLOLOLOL I love when morons think that the topics that they hate are worthless

Kimothy: Most people aren't using algebra in their everyday lives.

Hamburger meat is \$2.99 a pound, how much is three pounds?

Oh shiat! You just used algebra!

meow said the dog: LAUGHTER OL if you cannot understand the simple algebra then you do not deserve to get to second base at all. That clasps are on the front of those silly.

Why would algae wear a bra? They have no boobies.

Agent Smiths Laugh: "x + spoon = & pickle" doesn't mean anything because you know, procedurally, that those symbols together don't mean anything and don't fit a rule-set.

spoon=&pickle+x, on the other hand...

DarwiOdrade: Math helps you function in the real world.

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Alll the math a Poli Sci grad needs.

Thoguh: Kimothy: Most people aren't using algebra in their everyday lives.

Hamburger meat is \$2.99 a pound, how much is three pounds?

48 oz.

Gyrfalcon: buckler: I find those to be creative (and accurate, in a sense) answers to math questions that might be given by liberal arts majors. I wonder if there are similar answers to English problems submitted by math majors.

Math doesn't have "creative" answers, dear. Math is. You can be as "creative" as you want, but 2+2 must ALWAYS equal 4. And in an equation where 2 + x = 4, solve for x, the answer better not be, "Well, if you consider that 2 is a relative number, depending on whether you're talking about two people having sex and one of their partners is in the closet spying on them, it could really be three, so my answer is three."

The ability to think "outside the box" doesn't count in hard science.

"Hey guys, what if light can be thought of as a wave?"
"Haha, good one Huygens, everyone knows it's a particle. Now get back to work."

Voiceofreason01: Senator Bob is trying to decide on how to vote on an upcoming healthcare bill. The bill would require everyone's insurance to cover basic preventative care. This bill will not result in any additional healthcare being used but will cause a shift where 1/4 of the time someone uses healthcare they will use Ordinary Health Care(OHC) instead of Emergency Health Car(EHC), 1 EHC is three times more expensive than 1 OHC. Which would save more money, voting "yes" or "no"?

Answer: Whichever lobby group gave Sen. Bob more money.

This text is now purple: The problem here is that a square root of a positive number is both the positive and the negative value. So woman = +/- problem.

No. Commute that to

problem = (+/-) woman

Woman, can't live with em, can't live without em
Everything that exists in the universe is, basically, a giant math problem.

But why learn even the basics of the language of all creation when you could just pound out a degree in political science and get paid to expand stupid questions in the New York Times into a thousand word screed against basic competency, right?

Lord Dimwit: LordOfThePings: Lord Dimwit: My high school honors (!) geometry teacher told me that pi is an irrational number because we can't measure it because we can't draw a perfect circle. If we could draw a perfect circle, the exact value of pi would be known.

Duuuuude! Your teacher ever share the bong?

And just to be clear, I mean that she thought that pi was irrational because every time we measure a circle, our measurements are slightly off. She thought there was a finite decimal expansion of pi, we just hadn't discovered it yet.

I stopped paying attention in class after that.

It's really just a matter of notation. Pi = 10 (base pi)
Don't worry scrote. Lots of retards are livin' really kick ass lives. My first wife was 'tarded. She's a pilot now.

fark it.
the Chinese have won.
If critical thinking is a goal of algebra education then we'd probably do better by replacing it with formal and informal logic. It might cut down on the series of fallacies I read on Fark, or what are commonly called arguments by morans.
You can't get rid of algebra. You need it to count to potato.

slayer199: As much as I hated algebra (and still do), I wouldn't want to abandon teaching it. Geometry is useful, statistics can be useful. However, forcing pre-calc and college algebra on college students that will never need either is a waste.

Forcing the Red Badge of Courage and the Great Gatsby on students is a waste also. Have you ever need to know anything about those books?
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GF named my left testicle thundercles: i think the best way to compete with the chinese is to produce more polysci majors. oh wait, i just realized that there is not a single thing that the modern consumer wants, that a polysci major can produce.

Other than excuses, you mean.
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More math... more more more math...
Talking to a friend's kid once, he said he really wanted to get into video games and doing computer graphics when he grows up, because "he likes games and graphics, and he sucks at math and science." I just kinda blinked at him. The look on his face when I told him "you need to know a lot of math to do that kinda stuff, a lot a lot of math" was priceless...
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Quex: Algebra? Yes. Daily life.

Calculus? Yes. Any career in the sciences or with numbers.

Trigonometry? Well... actually, I can see where this should be a specialty class. I mean, it's not so much that it's HARD, it just doesn't have much application unless you're going into drafting or astronomy.

Trigonometry is a necessary prerequisite for calculus. How can you integrate 1/sqrt(1-x^2) if you don't know any trigonometry?

Trig is also hugely relevant to complex arithmetic, and signal processing. JPEG images are based on the discrete cosine transform, which like the Fourier transform decomposes a signal into a set of trigonometric functions.

/So that means you actually fap to trigonometry.
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If you can't do algebra, you can't do math. Now shut up and finish making my latté. I have to get back to the lab and go invent your next smartphone.
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hitlersbrain: Skirl Hutsenreiter: hitlersbrain: Even well-endowed schools have otherwise talented students who are impeded by algebra, to say nothing of calculus and trigonometry.

If you're well endowed you can fall back on being a porn star, but for everyone else, you would best be served to learn math.

Seriously though, math is one of those fields infested with smug assholes. Math is not that hard but a lot of these assholes want you to think it is. Like it cousin, science, math needs to be overhauled and made easier for normal people to learn and understand. A good start would be to toss all the latin shiat and clean up those stupid goddamn squiggles in the formulas. These areas of knowledge are too important to be left to a bunch of people who only do it because they are too emotionally stunted to do anything else but sit around and try to decipher that crap.

I know, we can just go back to describing everything with words rather than symbols, because that wasn't clunky at all.

How many people read short hand? If they did would they be smarter? How many people would be illiterate if shorthand was the only way to read or write?

It's the computer age, ditch the farking chalk and arcane symbols so people with a life can understand WTF you are doing.

This is like saying that musicians should stop using musical notation in scores, but rather teach parts entirely by copying performances by ear just because you never learned to read music. I guarantee, if you'd ever tried reading pre-symbol mathematical treatises, you'd thank the heavens they came up with a better way.
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ontariolightning: Canada is high on the list.. our culture is different but in a few ways similar to the US's

I do not mean "drastically different" from the United States' in terms of culture or approach but with each other. As far as I know, and forgive me as I have never lived in Canada nor visited for long, tuition rates are lower (for public universities), teacher prestige is higher (pay, benefits, standards, etc.,), and material resources (funding per school across districts) for schools is more even, which speaks to me of a commitment to education and seems an expectation of Canadians I know to have access to and continue through education (by this I mean at least finish secondary school). We share similarities, but where we diverge is the significant part with commitment in the system and culture, which to me is the reason for this working well for Canada.
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buckler: caramba421: The solution should be to start shaming people that are innumerate. People that don't understand maths should be paraded through the streets with "RETARD" painted on their backs. Since most women respond negatively to reduced social status, the innumerate will no longer be able to get laid. The problem will solve itself after a couple of generations.

What an incredibly short-sighted and uninformed thing to say.

I thought it was very insightful and informed.
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The day after midterms were handed back in a stat class, one of the nursing students demanded to have a word or two with the instructor.

"I don't understand how you expect me to learn this stuff. I'm going to be a nurse! What have statistics ever done for the nursing profession?"

The professor though for a second and replied, "Young lady, statistics save lives."

The student did no believe this. "How so?"

"Simple. They prevent idiots from becoming nurses."

/The joke is even sadder if you replace "stat" with "algebra"
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Math is necessary.

How else are the kids suppose to know how much 40 grams of weed is.
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slayer199: umad: I had to take college bound English before I went to college to major in Engineering. You can take a little bit of math, cupcake. It won't kill you.

Been there done that. You know how much algebra I use? None. The point I was making is that there are more useful math classes than college algebra and pre-calc. Language skills > math skills in the real world because if you can't communicate, how will anyone know about your wonderful engineering skills.

We can tell you use no math is life by your posts in the politics threads regarding the economy.

It's great we have a population with strong opinions and a belief that they understand macroeconomics and that these people also admit that middle school math has them scratching their heads.
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Indubitably: And an apostrophe error too?

;)

Pfft, so says the guy who starts a sentence fragment with a conjunction!

FizixJunkee: buckler: ProfessorOhki: The ability to think "outside the box" doesn't count in hard science.

Not true in theoretical physics.

\getting a PhD in theoretical condensed matter physics

Oh please, you guys can't even determine what's IN the box without collapsing the waveform.
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Certification programs for veterinary technicians require algebra, although none of the graduates I've met have ever used it in diagnosing or treating their patients.

Let m be the mass of the dachshund you're treating.
Let reff be the volume of medicine per kilogram of dachshund required to effectively treat its ailment.
Let rmdk be the volume of medicine per kilogram of dachshund that would cause the patient's brain to explode.

Guess what basic, every-moron-should-know-it skill the vet can use to solve this problem? Hint: It isn't "oh, this much looks about right".
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ElLoco: That sounds a lot like the last time I tried to calculate the precise value of infinity using a scratch pad, a tape measure and the end off of a serial cable.. and three days later discovered that there were two tabs stuck together, apparently.

I used a copper mobius strip plugged into an electrified tinfoil brain wave neutralizer. The results were surprising, for both me and the cat.
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umad: Because People in power are Stupid: buckler: I find those to be creative (and accurate, in a sense) answers to math questions that might be given by liberal arts majors. I wonder if there are similar answers to English problems submitted by math majors.

There is no right answer because most of those classes are graded subjectively. Math is graded objectively. Which is what most people who hate math are actually hating. The lack of political sway that their "feel good" best intentions can muster -don't matter when solving a math problem.

My friend, I think you hit the nail on the head.

Nah, let's be honest, it is because Algebra was invented by - well you know -- the terrorists!
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OgreMagi: buzzcut73: I -really- hated being shown something, understanding it, and being told I needed to do it 50 more times every night.

I hate that, too. I got in trouble in middle school because I wasn't doing the homework. I wasn't doing the homework because I didn't like to waste my time on something I had already mastered. My dad had a discussion with them. They switched me to a more advance curriculum, except they didn't have anyone who could teach us the work and there was only three of us, so they couldn't justify hiring another math teacher.

/not Asian

Now, write it out a hundred times.
And if it's not done by sunrise... I'll cut your balls off.
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Sticky Hands: saintstryfe: So please, don't step. We've been here, we ain't going no where. As long as there is data, as long as it has to be sorted, portioned and doled out, as long as there's students who need to know facts, and business reports to be written, while there's paper that needs to be preserved and digital files that need to be kept, we are going no where. We're Librarians.

I can't be the only one who imagined you standing up in front of a waving flag for this last part, hand on heart, staring off into the distance.... the music building as your fellows appear behind you.

You shoulda seen my first draft (yes, I draft my Fark posts, at least when I think they're important).

I was invoking the ancient librarians of Egypt and Rome, the monks of the middle ages... but I thought it was too much. Pull that back for the response, if needed.

This is entirely from being in a family of a professional wrestler.
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I will just leave this here:

The Feeling Of Power by Isaac Asimov

\Dude was right in sooooo many ways.
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wingedkat: Wait. How exactly do you propose to teach statistics without algebra?

I don't understand how you could teach stats without algebra, so here's a picture of a book that teaches The Calculus without limits:

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i think the best way to compete with the chinese is to produce more polysci majors. oh wait, i just realized that there is not a single thing that the modern consumer wants, that a polysci major can produce.
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But don't you guys get it! Algebra is hard! If we stops teaching the hard math then no one has to worry about learning anymore of that hard math stuff anymore and the problem goes away *poof* problem solved OKAY GUYS.
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i regret not being proficient with numbers. it has cost me greatly in life, in both dollars and hobbies like music.

/a million Brazilian dollars
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Gyrfalcon: Yeah, I'd be all for teaching basic statistics in high school, if only you didn't need to understand what "N" means.

Duh... neutral. It's right next to the R.
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How much does your IP attorney use calculus, or does s/he just charge you \$800/hour and call it good?
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FloydA: bighairyguy: FloydA: Thoguh: Kimothy: Most people aren't using algebra in their everyday lives.

Hamburger meat is \$2.99 a pound, how much is three pounds?

\$4.71

BZZZZT! Incorrect! The correct answer in the liberal agenda education system is: MEAT IS MURDER!!!

Shows what you know. The answer "Meat is Murder" goes with the question "What was the second album by English alt/rock band The Smiths?" It's not even a math question!

If meat = murder, then murder = delicious.
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The solution should be to start shaming people that are innumerate. People that don't understand maths should be paraded through the streets with "RETARD" painted on their backs. Since most women respond negatively to reduced social status, the innumerate will no longer be able to get laid. The problem will solve itself after a couple of generations.
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nacho cheese sauce: FTFA: "But it's not easy to see why potential poets and philosophers face a lofty mathematics bar."

disagree completely. math is prerequisite to coherent philosophical reasoning.

Next you'll tell me that Achilles could catch a tortoise if he gave it a head start.
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wingedkat: Because People in power are Stupid: wingedkat:
1. Math majors shouldn't teach math.

I found some of your homework.

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hmm.... uh huh... yeah, turns out I don't see what you did there.

It would make more sense if you had not made it *my* homework.

hmm... uh huh... yeah, turns out that I don't care about who you are.

You said something fundamentally stupid, so I objectified you as someone who would put a fundamentally stupid answer on a math test... possibly because you are 'living the dream' of having people who don't understand math teach it to you.

But this objection that it doesn't really apply to you is moot because (as earlier stated) I don't really care about you or want to know that you are an AP Political Science major *.

* Or something

Here's some more

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slayer199: As much as I hated algebra (and still do), I wouldn't want to abandon teaching it. Geometry is useful, statistics can be useful. However, forcing pre-calc and college algebra on college students that will never need either is a waste.

I use the computer for all my math and language translation needs.

"As far as what he hates algebra (and still do), I would not give up teaching. Engineering is a useful statistics can be useful. However, before forcing Calculate College Faculty and students of algebra than ever in need of either a waste."

Run it thru a few languages and it comes out just perfect. Sea ?
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Gotta give it to the NYT, they know how to troll the interpopulace. First the "Should we do journalism?" article. Then the "Journalism is hard" article. Now this.
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umad: slayer199: EvilEgg: Forcing the Red Badge of Courage and the Great Gatsby on students is a waste also. Have you ever need to know anything about those books?

Nope. But reading/writing skills > math in the real world (unless you actually have a job that requires and uses arithmetic).

I never said there shouldn't be a math class requirement in college. I said pre-calc and college alegbra were a waste of time for most people (especially pre-calc). There are plenty of math classes that would be more useful (statistics, financial economics) and would still allow for students to receive a well-rounded education.

I had to take college bound English before I went to college to major in Engineering. You can take a little bit of math, cupcake. It won't kill you.

Tell that to number nine. There's a reason seven is scared of him.
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Interesting problem I saw on Youtube the other day.

If you are traveling at 80mph, how long would it take to travel 80 miles? Take into consideration all factors such as rotation speed of the tires and the average running velocity of a human being.
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mr lawson: Voiceofreason01: conceptual level how to solve that problem

a: apply brakes

or

b: JUMP!

At what point will brake application result in insufficient reduction of momentum to avoid collision requiring you to calculate the proper trajectory and starting velocity in which to disembark the train with statistically the least likely result being farked up beyond all recognition?
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Babwa Wawa: I went into that article thinking you could get rid of algebra if you replaced it with something more relevant like statistics.

The nation would be much better off if everyone had a basic understanding of stats.

Especially certain people in certain global temp trend threads.

/15 years!
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Brian Erst writes: "Just make the coming generation of fembots user-programmable in a way that requires good math and logic skills. You will very quickly have a generation of mathematical and programming geniuses."

via-Instapundit
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EngineerBoy: The problem, in my opinion, is not with Algrebra, but with math education in this country, starting from grade school on. In college I had many classes in common with Education majors, and with virtual unanimity they complained about how hard it was to pass basic college math courses, and that what they taught wasn't necessary in life. Several of then went on to become math teachers, because that's what was hiring.

These people had no facility for or appreciation of mathematics, and simply acted as parrots for textbook course plans designed to have the fewest kids fail the standardized tests. Any time a kid had a conceptual problem, they simply could not help because they did not understand the theory, either. And any time a kid showed a facility for mathematics and a desire to learn more, they had nothing to give, thus potentially stifling a future mathematician.

In my opinion the solution is to make teaching a respectably paid vocation, such that it will attract people who could easily get work in the business sector, but might choose to become teachers if it didn't mean settling for a life of extraordinarily limited earning potential.

My high school honors (!) geometry teacher told me that pi is an irrational number because we can't measure it because we can't draw a perfect circle. If we could draw a perfect circle, the exact value of pi would be known.
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buckler: buckler: namatad: why do tards complain about things that they dont like, but think that others should take topics that they think are important.

...or do I have a hook in my mouth at this point?

LOL
no .... my complaint is that these people want to change the things that they hate, but think their stuff is perfect.
Literature classes exist to employ literature students. why are the rest of us punished to employ them??
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II'd have to say:
Dear author of "article," yes it is you stupid son of a biatch. Maybe if you worked one day in your life in a real job you'd know this.
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Thoguh: Kimothy: Most people aren't using algebra in their everyday lives.

Hamburger meat is \$2.99 a pound, how much is three pounds?

Oh shiat! You just used algebra!

the real answer is, shop somewhere else, where you get a discount the more you buy
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Problem with american schools? Lack of 2 parents and or lack of involvement.
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The NYT being dumb? Stop the presses!(literally)
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Thoguh: Kimothy: Most people aren't using algebra in their everyday lives.

Hamburger meat is \$2.99 a pound, how much is three pounds?

Oh shiat! You just used algebra!

This is an algebraic word problem:

Meat is \$2.99/lb. Last week it was 15% less, and you could afford 3 pounds. How much money did you have last week.

And that's elementary algebra - I don't think anyone here is arguing that you don't need that level of education. Certainly the author didn't argue that. The question is whether people need to actually master abstract algebra in order to graduate HS.

I personally think the requirement is a bit weird - sure you want people heading off to university to have no less than trig, and you'll probably want calc once you get there.

But if someone just wants to go to nursing school or whatever, a mastery of basic stats is far more useful than a mastery of abstract algebra
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The guy who wrote that is a Political Science professor.

Who's subject matter is useless?

And there is no "Science" in political science, the only reason it gets the word "science" in the subject is because of politics.
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Thoguh: Kimothy: Most people aren't using algebra in their everyday lives.

Hamburger meat is \$2.99 a pound, how much is three pounds?

Oh shiat! You just used algebra!

That's applied arithmetic (multiplication).
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I think it's more a problem of not knowing how to teach math, or teaching it in a way that's supposed to help students pass the four or five standardized tests a year rather than really understanding mathematical concepts. Reduce the emphasis on testing and emphasize actual knowledge, application, and critical thinking and you'll see students improve.

That said, I don't think I use much math beyond the stuff you learn in elementary school, except maybe some geometry now and then, and I think that's probably a pretty typical thing. Most people aren't using algebra in their everyday lives. Their definitely not using trig or calculus, unless they pursued careers that use those things. The problem is, the author's argument can be applied to lots of subjects. People don't need history everyday, either, but that doesn't mean those subjects aren't valuable.

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