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2012-07-30 02:23:02 PM
Thanks a Bunch for that article, subby...
 
2012-07-30 02:39:49 PM
his family apparently also owned Nate Griffin before he was sold to the Pewterschmidts

images.wikia.com
 
2012-07-30 02:45:04 PM
FTFA: "That's part of the attraction and mystery of Barack Obama."

Oh, for fu.....really? He's just a dude. He chose to be a lying, scheming politician with the rest of them. It'll be okay, Bill. I'm sure you'll be invited to the next dinner. Stop the fawning, dude, seriously. Everyone has "diverse roots".
 
2012-07-30 02:54:17 PM
done in two
 
2012-07-30 03:04:51 PM

Spad31: Everyone has "diverse roots"


Well, no.

I can trace my ancestry back to France and Holland and then...it stays there for 1000 years. I'm boring.

I need to find a half Japanese half Inuit Jew to knock me up so I can have pretty babies.
 
2012-07-30 03:06:29 PM
As in Re: Negro John Punch the famous legal case?
 
2012-07-30 03:08:41 PM

Spad31: Everyone has "diverse roots".


Agreed. For instance, I am part Anglo and part Saxon. Could be some Norman in there. I don't know! That's the mystery.
 
2012-07-30 03:09:11 PM
FTA: "President Obama is the 11th great-grandson of John Punch, who was the first documented African to be enslaved for life in the American colonies," says Joseph Shumway, a genealogist at Ancestry.com.


And Obama is from Hawaii, ergo...


www.thecitrusreport.com


It all makes sense now.
 
2012-07-30 03:09:55 PM
inb4 birthers
 
2012-07-30 03:14:03 PM

what_now: Spad31: Everyone has "diverse roots"

Well, no.

I can trace my ancestry back to France and Holland and then...it stays there for 1000 years. I'm boring.

I need to find a half Japanese half Inuit Jew to knock me up so I can have pretty babies.


I'm half Sicilian with the other half being a mix of Scottish, Austrian, and Cherokee. Will that do?
 
2012-07-30 03:14:28 PM

Subby: Scandal in the making: One of President Obama's ancestors may have been black


I think it's funny that the Mormons were the ones who came to this conclusion.
 
2012-07-30 03:14:33 PM

Spad31: Everyone has "diverse roots".


I don't.
 
2012-07-30 03:16:22 PM
"President Obama is the 11th great-grandson of John Punch, who was the first documented African to be enslaved for life in the American colonies"

And y'all wonder why he hates 'meriker (in keeping with today's ermergerd theme).
 
2012-07-30 03:17:44 PM

Teufelaffe: what_now: Spad31: Everyone has "diverse roots"

Well, no.

I can trace my ancestry back to France and Holland and then...it stays there for 1000 years. I'm boring.

I need to find a half Japanese half Inuit Jew to knock me up so I can have pretty babies.

I'm half Sicilian with the other half being a mix of Scottish, Austrian, and Cherokee. Will that do?


No, that's all boring European. I need some Maori or something.
 
2012-07-30 03:19:05 PM
I hate geneology.

\The only thing more boring than you are your dead ancestors
\\"My great great grandpa was a shepherd in Austria."
\\\Who farking cares?
\\Never mind the fact that it might not even be true
\That and $5 will get you a latte at Starbuck's
 
2012-07-30 03:19:14 PM

Teufelaffe: what_now: Spad31: Everyone has "diverse roots"

Well, no.

I can trace my ancestry back to France and Holland and then...it stays there for 1000 years. I'm boring.

I need to find a half Japanese half Inuit Jew to knock me up so I can have pretty babies.

I'm half Sicilian with the other half being a mix of Scottish, Austrian, and Cherokee. Will that do?


www.sabotagetimes.com

You only needed one of those to be diverse.
 
2012-07-30 03:20:55 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
Ann, people like us need to band together against the oppression of the white man! Nom sayin', girl?
 
2012-07-30 03:22:30 PM
This really could invalidate his Presidency. Everything would be rolled back to Bush administration levels and Sarah Palin would be invited to fill the Presidency until an Emergency Election could be called.

This is why we have a Constitution, people.
 
2012-07-30 03:28:32 PM

PonceAlyosha: As in Re: Negro


More like FW: FW: RE: FW: re: FW; fw: re: FW: RE; Negro
 
2012-07-30 03:28:37 PM
John Punch was a white guy. The first documented "slave" was a white guy put into permanent indentured servitude. Since he was white all I have to say is: WHERE'S MY REPARATIONS? 40 acres in the Napa Valley and a female Columbian drug mule? Hello? Anybody out there?
 
2012-07-30 03:43:15 PM

what_now: Teufelaffe: what_now: Spad31: Everyone has "diverse roots"

Well, no.

I can trace my ancestry back to France and Holland and then...it stays there for 1000 years. I'm boring.

I need to find a half Japanese half Inuit Jew to knock me up so I can have pretty babies.

I'm half Sicilian with the other half being a mix of Scottish, Austrian, and Cherokee. Will that do?

No, that's all boring European. I need some Maori or something.


encrypted-tbn1.google.com
 
2012-07-30 03:44:24 PM
So wait - his mom was actually black?

This is all so confusing and boring. Is this a M. Night Shyamalan movie?
 
2012-07-30 03:46:37 PM
I don't even need fancy software to know the Shumway family tree. All I'm saying is, hide your cats people.
 
2012-07-30 03:46:43 PM

advex101: John Punch was a white guy. The first documented "slave" was a white guy put into permanent indentured servitude. Since he was white all I have to say is: WHERE'S MY REPARATIONS? 40 acres in the Napa Valley and a female Columbian drug mule? Hello? Anybody out there?


No, pretty sure from 2 minutes of research John Punch was a black African.
 
2012-07-30 03:49:50 PM

whidbey: This really could invalidate his Presidency.


No, you are not telling the truth.

Regardless of his ancestry, he is the legitimate President of the United States.

Wishing that things like this would "invalidate his Presidency" is counter productive and hurtful to the country.
 
2012-07-30 03:50:31 PM

Need_MindBleach: advex101: John Punch was a white guy. The first documented "slave" was a white guy put into permanent indentured servitude. Since he was white all I have to say is: WHERE'S MY REPARATIONS? 40 acres in the Napa Valley and a female Columbian drug mule? Hello? Anybody out there?

No, pretty sure from 2 minutes of research John Punch was a black African.


You details guys kill me. Gotta stay on the more important target of MY REPARATIONS.
 
2012-07-30 03:53:08 PM

Need_MindBleach: advex101: John Punch was a white guy. The first documented "slave" was a white guy put into permanent indentured servitude. Since he was white all I have to say is: WHERE'S MY REPARATIONS? 40 acres in the Napa Valley and a female Columbian drug mule? Hello? Anybody out there?

No, pretty sure from 2 minutes of research John Punch was a black African.


The first documented slave of a black indentured servant named John Casor. In 1654 he was ruled, in a North Hampton Co., court case the "property for life" of one Anthony Johnson, a free black colonist.
 
2012-07-30 03:55:15 PM

what_now: Teufelaffe: what_now: Spad31: Everyone has "diverse roots"

Well, no.

I can trace my ancestry back to France and Holland and then...it stays there for 1000 years. I'm boring.

I need to find a half Japanese half Inuit Jew to knock me up so I can have pretty babies.

I'm half Sicilian with the other half being a mix of Scottish, Austrian, and Cherokee. Will that do?

No, that's all boring European. I need some Maori or something.


Ooh, ooh, pick me! I'm one sixteenth Maori, on my mother's side. I also have an average size penis, and will only disappoint you a little!
 
2012-07-30 03:59:48 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: whidbey: This really could invalidate his Presidency.

No, you are not telling the truth.

Regardless of his ancestry, he is the legitimate President of the United States.

Wishing that things like this would "invalidate his Presidency" is counter productive and hurtful to the country.

.5

Since Obama's mother was apparently .01% black, clearly, to that guy who thought blacks and women couldn't run for office, this is just one more reason why Barack HUSSEIN Obama is ineligible for the presidency.
 
2012-07-30 04:02:35 PM
collider.com
 
2012-07-30 04:20:25 PM
Acually, to tell a family secret? His grandmother was Dutch.
 
2012-07-30 04:21:25 PM
If you look at the documentation for this claim it looks somewhat reasonable, though it does depend on some constrained guess work and some reliance on published family histories.

My great great something aunt researched and published a genealogical history of her branch of the family. While by modern standards it is mostly accurate it seems she made up a few things such as non-existent connections to important families. It's funny in these histories that nobody ever makes up a connection to a lowlife who was hanged as a horse thief.
 
2012-07-30 04:26:51 PM

HairBolus: My great great something aunt researched and published a genealogical history of her branch of the family. While by modern standards it is mostly accurate it seems she made up a few things such as non-existent connections to important families. It's funny in these histories that nobody ever makes up a connection to a lowlife who was hanged as a horse thief.


Except in Australia, where that's considered a "pedigree".
 
2012-07-30 04:27:08 PM
So join ancestry.com for a free week right now! Only $BELEVENTY a month for records that should be rightfully yours for free!
 
2012-07-30 04:29:13 PM

Need_MindBleach: whoops, double.


Huh, thought FARK's posting thingee prevented such things (flood control, etc). Congratulations! Wipe hands on pants.
 
2012-07-30 04:32:17 PM

Leeds: Subby: Scandal in the making: One of President Obama's ancestors may have been black

I think it's funny that the Mormons were the ones who came to this conclusion.


I was raised with a Mormonal imbalance, therefore I always look at everything from ancestry.com with a skeptic's eye.

But still, what is exactly the political point they were trying to make with this?

"Oh, well, it only goes to show that zer0bumfart is even more of a blah than we all thought!"

I don't get it. Is this enough to swing ANY votes?

My brain hurts.
 
2012-07-30 04:55:23 PM

HairBolus: If you look at the documentation for this claim it looks somewhat reasonable, though it does depend on some constrained guess work and some reliance on published family histories.

My great great something aunt researched and published a genealogical history of her branch of the family. While by modern standards it is mostly accurate it seems she made up a few things such as non-existent connections to important families. It's funny in these histories that nobody ever makes up a connection to a lowlife who was hanged as a horse thief.


The low-life who was hanged as a horse thief doesn't leave many records behind. When you look back at 17th century records, the important people are the ones you find, so they're the ones you, perhaps mistakenly, conclude are related to you.
 
2012-07-30 05:24:40 PM

NobleHam: The low-life who was hanged as a horse thief doesn't leave many records behind. When you look back at 17th century records, the important people are the ones you find, so they're the ones you, perhaps mistakenly, conclude are related to you.


It's often not mistakenly though. By the 17th century you can have a million ancestors in one generation. Even though many of those ancestors will be the same people as branches connect back to each other, chances are a majority of people have at least one link to royalty somewhere in their ancestry, and that link is the one they are most likely to find given what records are preserved.
 
Ant
2012-07-30 05:37:43 PM
Newsflash: Everyone is related if you go back far enough.
 
2012-07-30 05:38:35 PM

Stoj: So wait - his mom was actually black?

This is all so confusing and boring. Is this a M. Night Shyamalan movie?


Needs moar space aliens.
 
2012-07-30 05:41:51 PM

funk_soul_bubby: So join ancestry.com for a free week right now! Only $BELEVENTY a month for records that should be rightfully yours for free!


What kind of idiot would pay a monthly subscription for something they can get for free?
 
2012-07-30 06:05:25 PM
I think the point of this article is that this Punch/Bunch person was in fact not the first "enslaved" person of color in colonial America. No one should trust without verification anything from Ancestry.com. That includes CBS News. Obama's antecedants are interesting enough without blatant bullshiat.
 
2012-07-30 06:07:14 PM

czetie: funk_soul_bubby: So join ancestry.com for a free week right now! Only $BELEVENTY a month for records that should be rightfully yours for free!

What kind of idiot would pay a monthly subscription for something they can get for free?


Actually, I belonged to ancestry.com for a while. What's useful is that they have everything in one place, so you don't have to try to figure out where you should start looking. What's more useful is that everyone else makes their searches available so you can cross-reference your own ancestry with others with the same name, and either add or eliminate ancestors. Helpful if you have no actual records and have to extrapolate back from the names of various children, like I did.

Although I assume your reference was to porn.
 
2012-07-30 06:08:23 PM

what_now: Spad31: Everyone has "diverse roots"

Well, no.

I can trace my ancestry back to France and Holland and then...it stays there for 1000 years. I'm boring.

I need to find a half Japanese half Inuit Jew to knock me up so I can have pretty babies.


YOU RANG?
 
2012-07-30 06:19:59 PM
I was willing to accept a President who was 50% black, but 50.01% is just too darned much
 
2012-07-30 06:25:28 PM
IF thats true its in fact really interesting. Obama should appear on that 'Who do you think you are' show, for the greatest lulz in history.
 
2012-07-30 06:28:07 PM
fta

In 1640, John Punch, an African, was a servant in Virginia who escaped, was caught and sentenced to remain in bondage to his master for life.

what? everybody knows that slavery was started in 1776 by the founders.
 
2012-07-30 06:32:42 PM

colon_pow: fta

In 1640, John Punch, an African, was a servant in Virginia who escaped, was caught and sentenced to remain in bondage to his master for life.

what? everybody knows that slavery was started in 1776 by the founders.


The article is factually incorrect.
 
2012-07-30 06:38:37 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-30 06:49:30 PM
Eh, basically every family that's been in the country since the 1600s has bits and pieces of sub-saharan races in their background, the whole eugenics/racial superiority thing didn't really catch on until the 1800s, and even then it didn't become all ostracise-ey and murder-ey in the US until after the Civil war, which sort of took a lot of things up to 11.

Mine is no exception, though typically we'd identify as generic white.
 
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