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(CNN)   "Israel GDP per capita is better than Palestine's because Jewish culture is better." Romney, master diplomat at work. I, for one, welcome our new Qatar and Luxembourg overlords   (politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com ) divider line
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2012-07-30 12:04:21 PM  
6 votes:
i used to think mitt was smart and that i just disliked him for his unctuous pandering.

now i'm realizing that he's an upper-midwest dubya - a harvard-educated, multimillionaire moron who was born on third base and thought he hit a triple.
2012-07-30 11:40:47 AM  
5 votes:
We'll be lucky if he can get back to America without starting a war. Great candidate, GOP.
2012-07-30 11:32:47 AM  
5 votes:
What a complete dickhead.
2012-07-30 03:33:08 PM  
3 votes:
Romney could have pissed on the Western Wall while giving a Nazi salute and 45-percent of America will vote for him simply because of the R in front of his name. A political party. They bow down to a goddamn political party. Bunch of pathetic, servile, fuk-wits. They are the future ancestors of Morlocks.

www.examiner.com
2012-07-30 11:45:19 AM  
3 votes:
Yeah, that's probably why. In any case it's certainly easy to tell with both of them on such equal ground. If one of them were under crippling sanctions or a blockade of some sort, though, that comparison would be unfair. But no stooge could be so stupid as to say something like this out loud if that were the case.

But seriously, when it comes to talking about the world outside the US, Romney is somehow actually worse than Bush.
hej
2012-07-30 03:32:50 PM  
2 votes:
"He says if you can learn anything from the economic history of the world, it's this: culture makes all the difference."

Yes, and it seems Israel has a 'culture' of bulldozing Palestinian homes. That must be what makes them so wealthy.
2012-07-30 03:32:34 PM  
2 votes:

FlashHarry: i used to think mitt was smart and that i just disliked him for his unctuous pandering.

now i'm realizing that he's an upper-midwest dubya - a harvard-educated, multimillionaire moron who was born on third base and thought he hit a triple.


The more I learn about Mittens and see how he acts, I don't think the expression "born on third base/hit a triple" applies to him. It seems like the expression should be altered to: "Born on third base, thinks he hit a home run."

Most people who were born on third base realize there is still work to be done to make it to home base. Mitt thinks he is already there and that all this campaigning is just a formality, hence he is just phoning it in/acting like a fool. He doesn't think it matters because he is supposed to be president, regardless of anything else.
2012-07-30 03:17:46 PM  
2 votes:
You can't be serious. No one is this dumb.

*checks article*

"As you come here and you see the GDP per capita, for instance, in Israel which is about $21,000 dollars, and compare that with the GDP per capita just across the areas managed by the Palestinian authority, which is more like $10,000 per capita, you notice such a dramatically stark difference in economic vitality," Romney said.

(Figures on the United Nations' website actually indicate a much greater disparity between Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory. Israel had a per capita GDP of $27,060 in 2009, while the 2009 per capita GDP of the occupied Palestinian territory was listed as $1,367.)

Citing the book "The Wealth and Poverty of Nations," Romney detailed his interpretation of author David Landes' thesis.

"He says if you can learn anything from the economic history of the world, it's this: culture makes all the difference. Culture makes all the difference. And as I come here and I look out over this city and consider the accomplishments of the people of this nation, I recognize the power of at least culture and a few other things," Romney said.


......

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2012-07-30 03:13:19 PM  
2 votes:
This is what happens when a "corporate consultant" goes on a "diplomatic mission." Dude's used to walking into a place and shiatting all over everybody.

He's also pandering HARD for the Florida vote, and of course went too far.
2012-07-30 01:20:37 PM  
2 votes:

Vodka Zombie: I really do think that Mitt Romney is retarded.


At a minimum, he is socially retarded.
2012-07-30 11:56:55 AM  
2 votes:
Please let him go to China, please let him go to China, please let him go to China...
2012-07-30 11:36:20 AM  
2 votes:
I like how Romney openly proclaimed in Israel that Jews are better at the money stuff.
2012-08-01 09:50:32 AM  
1 vote:

Uncle Tractor: Like you said; we've been through this; and every time, you ignore certain facts like the one where less and less of the WB is available to palestinians. That's what the colonies are for, you know? To hog land and make it unavailable / useless to the natives.


If the growth of the settlements amounts to "ethnic cleansing" then I am sure you are going to complain about the ethnic cleansing in Gaza, and point me to proof that Israeli arabs can't live there. I will be waiting on that one.


Uncle Tractor: Israel is an actual apartheid. Even Verwoerd thought so, and he would know


You mean the guy who died in 1966? The guy who died before many rights of arab citizens in Israel came about?

How about we listen to a South African who is familiar with Israel today and had a part in Apartheid and the end of Apartheid in SA.

In Israel, there is no apartheid. Nothing there comes close to the definition of apartheid under the 1998 Rome Statute: "Inhumane acts ... committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime." Israeli Arabs - 20 percent of Israel's population - vote, have political parties and representatives in the Knesset and occupy positions of acclaim, including on its Supreme Court. Arab patients lie alongside Jewish patients in Israeli hospitals, receiving identical treatment.

The situation in the West Bank is more complex. But here too there is no intent to maintain "an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group." This is a critical distinction, even if Israel acts oppressively toward Palestinians there. South Africa's enforced racial separation was intended to permanently benefit the white minority, to the detriment of other races. By contrast, Israel has agreed in concept to the existence of a Palestinian state in Gaza and almost all of the West Bank, and is calling for the Palestinians to negotiate the parameters.


You can link to income or service disparity in Israel all day long, but unless you can show how it is ethnicity based you might as well make the claim about the US.
2012-07-30 07:02:13 PM  
1 vote:
Romney is right.

Some people can't handle the truth.
2012-07-30 05:26:20 PM  
1 vote:
TFA: "Erekat said Romney ignored the reality that Israeli occupation was main (sic) reason Palestinian areas were suffering economically."


Yes, because as the Syrians, Jordanians, Egyptians and Lebanese have all shown us, Arab populations in the Middle East who aren't occupied by Israel do great for themselves, so the only logical conclusion is that the occupation is the main factor in the disparity in GDP.

WTF...why is it automatically "racist" to suggest that culture DOES make a difference in how successful people are? Why is it "racist" to imply that relative poverty isn't necessarily someone else's fault?


Also, subtroll, as you well know Romney didn't say anything about "Jewish culture" being better. 180+ comments so far, though...10/10.
2012-07-30 04:55:01 PM  
1 vote:
With what group of voters would this comment really cost him?
2012-07-30 04:52:19 PM  
1 vote:

LockeOak: So does Mormonism as a whole harbor the prosperity gospel contagion, or is it only Mitt Romnicus who has become fouled?

/this campaign is unclean


In my experience, having lived in Utah, it's pretty common among Utah Mormons but less so among other Mormons. I imagine it's more prevalent among the rich Mormons, just as I assume it is with rich christians in general, wherever they are.
2012-07-30 04:48:58 PM  
1 vote:
The only thing this guy is running on is ideas with economy.
... this from a party that wants government out of business.
Maybe I'm not supposed to understand that?

He seems to literally fail at everything else he does.
A vote for him would be ignorant.
2012-07-30 04:46:06 PM  
1 vote:
Does "Israeli culture" include the ultra-Orthodox who live off of welfare, avoid military service, and discriminate against women?
2012-07-30 04:43:58 PM  
1 vote:

skullkrusher: verbaltoxin: Why doesn't it surprise me that the pampered son born on third base, raised in a faith that proclaims to be the True Church of Jesus Christ Reestablished on Earth, thinks some cultures are superior to others?

some cultures are superior to others. Not sure how that translates to relative economic success but a culture which stones women to death for having an affair is inferior to one which does not. A culture which exalts superstition over science is inferior to one governed by reason and logic.
A culture which destroys the artifacts of the past is inferior to one which preserves them. A culture which revels in narrowmindedness and provincialism is inferior to one which regards the world openly and inquisitively. A culture which promotes war over peace? Inferior. Get the idea?


What culture are you speaking of here, though? Most Muslims don't believe in any of what you said aside from the silly superstitions that most people believe in. Hell, historically Islam is one of the intellectual pillars of human civilization.
2012-07-30 04:42:30 PM  
1 vote:

skullkrusher: verbaltoxin: Why doesn't it surprise me that the pampered son born on third base, raised in a faith that proclaims to be the True Church of Jesus Christ Reestablished on Earth, thinks some cultures are superior to others?

some cultures are superior to others. Not sure how that translates to relative economic success but a culture which stones women to death for having an affair is inferior to one which does not. A culture which exalts superstition over science is inferior to one governed by reason and logic.
A culture which destroys the artifacts of the past is inferior to one which preserves them. A culture which revels in narrowmindedness and provincialism is inferior to one which regards the world openly and inquisitively. A culture which promotes war over peace? Inferior. Get the idea?


People make a culture. It doesn't exist on its own in a vaccuum. Cultures are also complex and often contradictory. Just like the people who make it and live it. To say one is inferior is to then say those people are inferior.
2012-07-30 04:33:25 PM  
1 vote:

smitty04: [upload.wikimedia.org image 200x241]
Nuts like this destroyed the Palestinian economy all in the name of Allah


www.nndb.com
Nuts World leaders like this got rich at the Palestinian expense
2012-07-30 04:23:41 PM  
1 vote:
upload.wikimedia.org
Nuts like this destroyed the Palestinian economy all in the name of Allah
2012-07-30 04:21:49 PM  
1 vote:
Wow.

I'm sure the difference in GDP has nothing to do with the fact that Israel is bombing the shiat out of the Palestinians, or bulldozing their houses, schools, and hospitals.

Jesus Christ, Romney, you are a farking asshole.
2012-07-30 04:18:39 PM  
1 vote:

El Pachuco: "Israel GDP per capita is better than Palestine's because Jewish culture is better."

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Totally. Embargos, import restrictions, 20' concrete perimeter walls, and periodic air and artillery attacks have no discernible effect on an economy.


Don't forget checkpoints, settlements, and not getting 3bn in American aid yearly. Nope, none of that.
2012-07-30 04:17:38 PM  
1 vote:

El Pachuco: "Israel GDP per capita is better than Palestine's because Jewish culture is better."

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Totally. Embargos, import restrictions, 20' concrete perimeter walls, and periodic air and artillery attacks have no discernible effect on an economy.


Fuk Palestine and fuk their people. Stop blowing up kids.
2012-07-30 04:14:38 PM  
1 vote:
"Israel GDP per capita is better than Palestine's because Jewish culture is better."

static.guim.co.uk

Totally. Embargos, import restrictions, 20' concrete perimeter walls, and periodic air and artillery attacks have no discernible effect on an economy.
2012-07-30 04:11:39 PM  
1 vote:
I'm more offended by Netenyahu for endorsing Romney. That asshole isn't American. So why the hell is he butting into our internal political affairs? Meeting and greeting would have been OK, but Netenyahu crossed that line.
2012-07-30 04:09:16 PM  
1 vote:
Mitt Romney is stunningly embarrassing. I mean, stunningly so. He makes George W. Bush look nuanced and intelligent. That takes a lot of work.
2012-07-30 03:47:52 PM  
1 vote:
Stop pretending economics is a religion!!!

Not all rich people are "the chosen ones" not all poor people are evil scum who "deserve it".
2012-07-30 03:47:07 PM  
1 vote:

shower_in_my_socks: Israel: Universal healthcare, and gays have been serving openly in their military for nearly 20 years.

And American conservatives LOVE the place.


Well it's not that they love the state of Israel. They love their idiotic interpretation of biblical prophecy that states the 2nd coming of Christ and the Rapture will happen when Israel is reformed. I think right now they're actively trying to get Jerusalem to be an official part of Israel because they believe that's what's holding things up.

So it's important for them to keep Israel dominant in that region at all costs, even if they don't like their form of government or their beliefs.

It's all really retarded, but so is conservatism in the first place.
2012-07-30 03:36:39 PM  
1 vote:

Dr Dreidel: Citation needed. Taxes are very high there, and social services are pretty robust, so I'm guessing it's hard out there for a non-socialist.


I didn't have a citation, which is why I put a question mark at the end of that sentence rather than a period.

However, a cursory investigation of income inequality in Israel leads me to believe that I was not entirely off the mark.

http://www.haaretz.com/business/study-income-inequality-growing-faste r -in-israel-than-in-other-developed-nations-1.421277

http://rense.com/general94/soc.htm

http://taubcenter.org.il/index.php/publications/discussion-papers/lab o r/income-differentials-in-israel/lang/en/

http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/israel-economy.6kf/

Perhaps you are correct that the riots were not about income inequality, though I do know a substantial portion were based on rent/housing prices (or at least last years were).

/Not a Middle East specialist
2012-07-30 03:30:26 PM  
1 vote:
Though it makes perfect sense that Money is a validation of one's Self in Romney's world. He is rich therefore he is better than everyone poorer than him.
2012-07-30 03:30:06 PM  
1 vote:
The fact that the Jews took most of the good land and walled off the Arabs in their own bantustans subject to an embargo with no freedom of movement has nothing to do with it. No sir.
2012-07-30 03:28:51 PM  
1 vote:
And there you have it folks. Not only is MItt Romney part of a whack job Christian cult, but he believes in prosperity Jesus. That if you are poor it is because god hates you and wants you to suffer. Only the rich are loved by Jesus.
2012-07-30 03:25:53 PM  
1 vote:
This "I got mine because God loves me" crap has gotta stop.

Beyond not passing the logical sniff test, it's blasphemy on the highest order. Read through the text in Red. And you'll have a hard time finding any support for it from Paul.
2012-07-30 03:16:44 PM  
1 vote:

keylock71: Wow... Is he really this ignorant of the situation over there?


I've read enough about how Israel keeps control of water and even destroys Palestinian attempts to capture rain water. Israeli policy actively sabotages any effort to improve their situation.
2012-07-30 03:15:11 PM  
1 vote:
Jewish culture does put a high value on achievement but so doesn't the Indians and they got a mess of a country on their hands....
2012-07-30 03:13:16 PM  
1 vote:
Doesn't Israel have one of the highest rates of income inequality for a developed country? That sounds like Romney's paradise.

Also, didn't they just have a whole bunch of riots over said inequality?
2012-07-30 03:12:45 PM  
1 vote:

sweetmelissa31: Yeah. Republicans seem to believe that anyone who is poor is the US is suffering from a lack of culture and not from any institutional bias.


I guess that could explain Mississippi and the rest of the deep south.
2012-07-30 03:09:02 PM  
1 vote:

hillbillypharmacist: vernonFL: Romney the the NAACP: African Americans excel at sports because back in slavery times, they used to breed them to be strong.

I don't want to reveal myself as an ignorant racist or anything, but is that actually true? It makes sense, but I've never heard anyone talk about it in an objective sort of way.


There's very little evidence that they did this:

a) breeding was actually CONDONED in the South because slaves were considered subhuman and didn't have the same rights. After 1800 they were encouraged to marry because it made them less likely to run away.
b) the North was free after 1783, so any breeding would have only occurred in the South
c) the number of imported slaves doubled from 1800-1865, so for half the slaves any attempt at breeding would have applied to only 2-3 generations..., no way you could make any evolutionary difference on such a small scale
d) same argument applies to slaves going back another few generations, since 95% of slaves arrive after 1700
e) if anybody DID practice breeding (big IF there), it would have been only a few slave owners, which means a blanket statement like ALL blacks are better at sports because of breeding is absolutely preposterous
f) any successful attempts at breeding would likely have been washed out by now, over the last 150 years.
2012-07-30 02:44:12 PM  
1 vote:

GAT_00: I like how Romney openly proclaimed in Israel that Jews are better at the money stuff.


So the final tally on the Israeli leg of Romney's World Gaffe Tour:

1) Turmoil in the Middle East is due to Obama abandoning W.'s "freedom agenda"
2) Retroactively supports NOT bombing the country he supported bombing the day before
3) Praises their healthcare system and low costs, which includes an individual mandate
4) Congratulates the Jews for being better at the money stuff than the Palestinians

At least he didn't crap all over their country this time. Up next: Poland!
2012-07-30 01:55:35 PM  
1 vote:

DamnYankees: As appalling as this is, I cant think of any constituency in US politics which would punish him for it.


Yeah. Republicans seem to believe that anyone who is poor is the US is suffering from a lack of culture and not from any institutional bias.
2012-07-30 01:54:39 PM  
1 vote:

vernonFL: Jews are rich because they are all bankers, doctors, and lawyers, amiright??


Some are studio executives and producers.
2012-07-30 01:52:34 PM  
1 vote:

mahuika: doglover: Muslims like to blow themselves up.

Israeli jews also like to blow Muslims up.

I don't understand why there's not peace in the region. They have so much in common.

Or as Tim Minchin sings

"We don't eat pigs, and you don't eat pigs
It seems it's been that way forever.
So if we don't eat pigs, and you don't eat pigs,
Why not not eat pigs together?"


Now, see I think that's their main problem. The region is populated entirely by people who've never experienced bacon. No wonder they're so damned angry all the time.
2012-07-30 01:26:38 PM  
1 vote:
As appalling as this is, I cant think of any constituency in US politics which would punish him for it.
2012-07-30 12:53:40 PM  
1 vote:
Repost from the other Romney in Israel thread:

His other stupid for the trip:

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney angered Palestinian leaders on Monday when he suggested here that the Israeli economy had outpaced the economy of the Palestinian territories in part because of advantages of "culture."

....

Romney said he had studied a book called "The Wealth and Poverty of Nations," searching for an answer about why two neighboring places--the U.S. and Mexico, for instance, or Israel and the Palestinian areas--could have such disparate prosperity.

"Culture makes all the difference. Culture makes all the difference," Romney said, repeating the conclusion he drew from that book, by David Landes.


The book he read- I've not read it. It highlights these points, apparently:

The 'cultural thesis' or 'Protestant work ethic' of Max Weber
The 'hydraulic thesis' or 'Oriental Despotism thesis' of Karl A. Wittfogel
The 'climate thesis' that posits that tropical climes are, ceteris paribus, poor candidates for development.
Many of the theories of Adam Smith, whose Wealth of Nations is borrowed from for the title. But this does not necessarily mean a doctrinaire neoclassicism, as Landes notes that 'comparative advantage' can change over time, and also that developed countries, contrary to neoclassical theory, typically developed in an environment of protectionism against foreign trade.

Just to toss in: Critics have charged Landes with Eurocentrism in his analysis, a charge which Landes himself does not deny-in fact, he embraces it explicitly, arguing that an explanation for an economic miracle that happened originally only in Europe (though he deals with the later 'Asian miracle' in Wealth and Poverty) must of necessity be a Eurocentric analysis

Link

I've read Why The West Rules - For Now, and it makes much more sense:

His 2010 book, Why the West Rules--For Now, compares East and West across the last 15,000 years, arguing that physical geography rather than culture, religion, politics, genetics, or great men explains Western domination of the globe. The Economist has called it "an important book-one that challenges, stimulates and entertains. Anyone who does not believe there are lessons to be learned from history should start here."[
2012-07-30 12:03:03 PM  
1 vote:
So, in the last four years, we've sent millions more in aid to Israel, increased defense cooperation, brought both parties to at least some kind of a negotiation table, and worked with Israel intelligence to craft computer viruses.

Meanwhile, Romney shows up and tells the Palestinians that they suck because they just can't cut it.

But yep, those Dems sure do hate Israel!

/morons
2012-07-30 11:56:28 AM  
1 vote:
Muslims like to blow themselves up.

Israeli jews also like to blow Muslims up.

I don't understand why there's not peace in the region. They have so much in common.
2012-07-30 11:45:12 AM  
1 vote:
I really do think that Mitt Romney is retarded.
2012-07-30 11:30:56 AM  
1 vote:
I thought it was another anti-Semitic Jew joke about their banking proclivities.
 
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