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2012-07-30 11:30:56 AM  
I thought it was another anti-Semitic Jew joke about their banking proclivities.
 
2012-07-30 11:32:47 AM  
What a complete dickhead.
 
2012-07-30 11:36:20 AM  
I like how Romney openly proclaimed in Israel that Jews are better at the money stuff.
 
2012-07-30 11:40:47 AM  
We'll be lucky if he can get back to America without starting a war. Great candidate, GOP.
 
2012-07-30 11:44:37 AM  
It would have been hilarious if some mole had peppered his notes with obfuscated ethnic jokes..

"And I am especially proud of Jewish contributions to the world of science. In fact, this week marks the 150th anniversary of the invention of drawn copper wiring, which, as we all know, was created by two bankers who were in a heated battle over the same coin."
 
2012-07-30 11:45:12 AM  
I really do think that Mitt Romney is retarded.
 
2012-07-30 11:45:19 AM  
Yeah, that's probably why. In any case it's certainly easy to tell with both of them on such equal ground. If one of them were under crippling sanctions or a blockade of some sort, though, that comparison would be unfair. But no stooge could be so stupid as to say something like this out loud if that were the case.

But seriously, when it comes to talking about the world outside the US, Romney is somehow actually worse than Bush.
 
2012-07-30 11:46:02 AM  

markie_farkie: "And I am especially proud of Jewish contributions to the world of science. In fact, this week marks the 150th anniversary of the invention of drawn copper wiring, which, as we all know, was created by two bankers who were in a heated battle over the same coin."


That's also a joke the Dutch and Belgians tell about each other.
 
2012-07-30 11:47:08 AM  

kingoomieiii: markie_farkie: "And I am especially proud of Jewish contributions to the world of science. In fact, this week marks the 150th anniversary of the invention of drawn copper wiring, which, as we all know, was created by two bankers who were in a heated battle over the same coin."

That's also a joke the Dutch and Belgians tell about each other.


That also joke of two Latvians fighting over loaf bread. Then Jews invent wiring.

/I enjoyed that thread way too much
 
2012-07-30 11:56:28 AM  
Muslims like to blow themselves up.

Israeli jews also like to blow Muslims up.

I don't understand why there's not peace in the region. They have so much in common.
 
2012-07-30 11:56:55 AM  
Please let him go to China, please let him go to China, please let him go to China...
 
2012-07-30 11:59:36 AM  
Jews are rich because they are all bankers, doctors, and lawyers, amiright??
 
2012-07-30 12:03:03 PM  
So, in the last four years, we've sent millions more in aid to Israel, increased defense cooperation, brought both parties to at least some kind of a negotiation table, and worked with Israel intelligence to craft computer viruses.

Meanwhile, Romney shows up and tells the Palestinians that they suck because they just can't cut it.

But yep, those Dems sure do hate Israel!

/morons
 
2012-07-30 12:04:21 PM  
i used to think mitt was smart and that i just disliked him for his unctuous pandering.

now i'm realizing that he's an upper-midwest dubya - a harvard-educated, multimillionaire moron who was born on third base and thought he hit a triple.
 
2012-07-30 12:16:12 PM  
The only way this could be any worse is if he orders a bacon cheeseburger somewhere.
 
2012-07-30 12:30:47 PM  
Maybe we should give Palestine an allowance, too, to even things up.
 
2012-07-30 12:53:40 PM  
Repost from the other Romney in Israel thread:

His other stupid for the trip:

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney angered Palestinian leaders on Monday when he suggested here that the Israeli economy had outpaced the economy of the Palestinian territories in part because of advantages of "culture."

....

Romney said he had studied a book called "The Wealth and Poverty of Nations," searching for an answer about why two neighboring places--the U.S. and Mexico, for instance, or Israel and the Palestinian areas--could have such disparate prosperity.

"Culture makes all the difference. Culture makes all the difference," Romney said, repeating the conclusion he drew from that book, by David Landes.


The book he read- I've not read it. It highlights these points, apparently:

The 'cultural thesis' or 'Protestant work ethic' of Max Weber
The 'hydraulic thesis' or 'Oriental Despotism thesis' of Karl A. Wittfogel
The 'climate thesis' that posits that tropical climes are, ceteris paribus, poor candidates for development.
Many of the theories of Adam Smith, whose Wealth of Nations is borrowed from for the title. But this does not necessarily mean a doctrinaire neoclassicism, as Landes notes that 'comparative advantage' can change over time, and also that developed countries, contrary to neoclassical theory, typically developed in an environment of protectionism against foreign trade.

Just to toss in: Critics have charged Landes with Eurocentrism in his analysis, a charge which Landes himself does not deny-in fact, he embraces it explicitly, arguing that an explanation for an economic miracle that happened originally only in Europe (though he deals with the later 'Asian miracle' in Wealth and Poverty) must of necessity be a Eurocentric analysis

Link

I've read Why The West Rules - For Now, and it makes much more sense:

His 2010 book, Why the West Rules--For Now, compares East and West across the last 15,000 years, arguing that physical geography rather than culture, religion, politics, genetics, or great men explains Western domination of the globe. The Economist has called it "an important book-one that challenges, stimulates and entertains. Anyone who does not believe there are lessons to be learned from history should start here."[
 
2012-07-30 12:56:25 PM  
God darnit, Mr. Romney, you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore.

/but you're a lot more expensive
 
2012-07-30 01:20:37 PM  

Vodka Zombie: I really do think that Mitt Romney is retarded.


At a minimum, he is socially retarded.
 
2012-07-30 01:22:55 PM  

doglover: Muslims like to blow themselves up.

Israeli jews also like to blow Muslims up.

I don't understand why there's not peace in the region. They have so much in common.


Or as Tim Minchin sings

"We don't eat pigs, and you don't eat pigs
It seems it's been that way forever.
So if we don't eat pigs, and you don't eat pigs,
Why not not eat pigs together?"
 
2012-07-30 01:26:38 PM  
As appalling as this is, I cant think of any constituency in US politics which would punish him for it.
 
2012-07-30 01:38:09 PM  
Holy . . . freaking . . . twatfaffles.
 
2012-07-30 01:40:42 PM  
"As you come here and you see the GDP per capita, for instance, in Israel which is about $21,000 dollars, and compare that with the GDP per capita just across the areas managed by the Palestinian authority, which is more like $10,000 per capita, you notice such a dramatically stark difference in economic vitality," Romney said.

Citing the book "The Wealth and Poverty of Nations," Romney detailed his interpretation of author David Landes' thesis.

"He says if you can learn anything from the economic history of the world, it's this: culture makes all the difference. Culture makes all the difference. And as I come here and I look out over this city and consider the accomplishments of the people of this nation, I recognize the power of at least culture and a few other things," Romney said.


yeah if only those lazy Palestinians were better with money, am I right
 
2012-07-30 01:52:34 PM  

mahuika: doglover: Muslims like to blow themselves up.

Israeli jews also like to blow Muslims up.

I don't understand why there's not peace in the region. They have so much in common.

Or as Tim Minchin sings

"We don't eat pigs, and you don't eat pigs
It seems it's been that way forever.
So if we don't eat pigs, and you don't eat pigs,
Why not not eat pigs together?"


Now, see I think that's their main problem. The region is populated entirely by people who've never experienced bacon. No wonder they're so damned angry all the time.
 
2012-07-30 01:54:39 PM  

vernonFL: Jews are rich because they are all bankers, doctors, and lawyers, amiright??


Some are studio executives and producers.
 
2012-07-30 01:55:35 PM  

DamnYankees: As appalling as this is, I cant think of any constituency in US politics which would punish him for it.


Yeah. Republicans seem to believe that anyone who is poor is the US is suffering from a lack of culture and not from any institutional bias.
 
2012-07-30 01:57:35 PM  

sweetmelissa31: DamnYankees: As appalling as this is, I cant think of any constituency in US politics which would punish him for it.

Yeah. Republicans seem to believe that anyone who is poor is the US is suffering from a lack of culture and not from any institutional bias.


They are simply lazy. Unlike somebody born with wealth. Those people are hard workers who were blessed by god.
 
2012-07-30 02:01:37 PM  

Nadie_AZ: They are simply lazy. Unlike somebody born with wealth. Those people are hard workers who were blessed by god.


Right, like how did Romney get rich? Only through his hard work and Mormon culture.
 
2012-07-30 02:01:45 PM  

DamnYankees: As appalling as this is, I cant think of any constituency in US politics which would punish him for it.


I don't think the right likes Jews owning everything.
 
2012-07-30 02:07:39 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Nadie_AZ: They are simply lazy. Unlike somebody born with wealth. Those people are hard workers who were blessed by god.

Right, like how did Romney get rich? Only through his hard work and Mormon culture.


also his Anglo-Saxon heritage, don't forget that
 
2012-07-30 02:12:28 PM  
All I see in this thread are a bunch of liberal haters who won't get with the program and use wealth as a measure for the value of a person. Come on guys.
 
2012-07-30 02:13:48 PM  
How do you fark up a trip to England and a trip to Israel, as Bibi's friend, this bad?

You pooped on the Olympics, and you said socialized health care was good for Israel, but not for U.S? And you ate the whole... wheel of cheese? How'd you do that? Heck, I'm not even mad; that's amazing."
 
2012-07-30 02:16:28 PM  
Romney the the NAACP: African Americans excel at sports because back in slavery times, they used to breed them to be strong.
 
2012-07-30 02:20:36 PM  

vernonFL: Romney the the NAACP: African Americans excel at sports because back in slavery times, they used to breed them to be strong.


I don't want to reveal myself as an ignorant racist or anything, but is that actually true? It makes sense, but I've never heard anyone talk about it in an objective sort of way.
 
2012-07-30 02:24:57 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: vernonFL: Romney the the NAACP: African Americans excel at sports because back in slavery times, they used to breed them to be strong.

I don't want to reveal myself as an ignorant racist or anything, but is that actually true? It makes sense, but I've never heard anyone talk about it in an objective sort of way.


www.wearysloth.com
 
2012-07-30 02:31:36 PM  
I wish he'd stick to the three word commentary. I actually got a kick out of that.
 
2012-07-30 02:40:49 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: vernonFL: Romney the the NAACP: African Americans excel at sports because back in slavery times, they used to breed them to be strong.

I don't want to reveal myself as an ignorant racist or anything, but is that actually true? It makes sense, but I've never heard anyone talk about it in an objective sort of way.


Link
 
2012-07-30 02:44:12 PM  

GAT_00: I like how Romney openly proclaimed in Israel that Jews are better at the money stuff.


So the final tally on the Israeli leg of Romney's World Gaffe Tour:

1) Turmoil in the Middle East is due to Obama abandoning W.'s "freedom agenda"
2) Retroactively supports NOT bombing the country he supported bombing the day before
3) Praises their healthcare system and low costs, which includes an individual mandate
4) Congratulates the Jews for being better at the money stuff than the Palestinians

At least he didn't crap all over their country this time. Up next: Poland!
 
2012-07-30 02:51:33 PM  

DeltaPunch: 2) Retroactively supports NOT bombing the country he supported bombing the day before


Huh?
 
2012-07-30 02:58:45 PM  

Nadie_AZ: DeltaPunch: 2) Retroactively supports NOT bombing the country he supported bombing the day before

Huh?


one of his advisors told the press that if elected president, romney would support isreal if it attacked iran. The next day he backed away from that in a speech he gave
 
2012-07-30 02:58:54 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: vernonFL: Romney the the NAACP: African Americans excel at sports because back in slavery times, they used to breed them to be strong.

I don't want to reveal myself as an ignorant racist or anything, but is that actually true? It makes sense, but I've never heard anyone talk about it in an objective sort of way.


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-07-30 03:00:04 PM  

tlchwi02: Nadie_AZ: DeltaPunch: 2) Retroactively supports NOT bombing the country he supported bombing the day before

Huh?

one of his advisors told the press that if elected president, romney would support isreal if it attacked iran. The next day he backed away from that in a speech he gave


Romney said he wouldn't? That doesn't make sense, considering who his foreign policy advisers are.
 
2012-07-30 03:04:26 PM  
images2.dailykos.com
 
2012-07-30 03:06:36 PM  
Ermahgerd, the durbates cant come sern ernef
 
2012-07-30 03:07:43 PM  

Vodka Zombie: I really do think that Mitt Romney is retarded.


Apparently Romney's getting quite the reputation as the American Borat.
 
2012-07-30 03:08:01 PM  
Im going to predict the MSM's spin of this: Obama has another bad week.
 
2012-07-30 03:08:56 PM  
There's a mormom baptism joke in there somewhere, just didn't feel like working it out.
 
2012-07-30 03:09:02 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: vernonFL: Romney the the NAACP: African Americans excel at sports because back in slavery times, they used to breed them to be strong.

I don't want to reveal myself as an ignorant racist or anything, but is that actually true? It makes sense, but I've never heard anyone talk about it in an objective sort of way.


There's very little evidence that they did this:

a) breeding was actually CONDONED in the South because slaves were considered subhuman and didn't have the same rights. After 1800 they were encouraged to marry because it made them less likely to run away.
b) the North was free after 1783, so any breeding would have only occurred in the South
c) the number of imported slaves doubled from 1800-1865, so for half the slaves any attempt at breeding would have applied to only 2-3 generations..., no way you could make any evolutionary difference on such a small scale
d) same argument applies to slaves going back another few generations, since 95% of slaves arrive after 1700
e) if anybody DID practice breeding (big IF there), it would have been only a few slave owners, which means a blanket statement like ALL blacks are better at sports because of breeding is absolutely preposterous
f) any successful attempts at breeding would likely have been washed out by now, over the last 150 years.
 
2012-07-30 03:11:20 PM  
You know who else......

Oh forget it, the jokes already been made.
 
2012-07-30 03:12:16 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: vernonFL: Romney the the NAACP: African Americans excel at sports because back in slavery times, they used to breed them to be strong.

I don't want to reveal myself as an ignorant racist or anything, but is that actually true? It makes sense, but I've never heard anyone talk about it in an objective sort of way.


I heard they jump higher because of the way they're knee grows
 
2012-07-30 03:12:45 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Yeah. Republicans seem to believe that anyone who is poor is the US is suffering from a lack of culture and not from any institutional bias.


I guess that could explain Mississippi and the rest of the deep south.
 
2012-07-30 03:13:16 PM  
Doesn't Israel have one of the highest rates of income inequality for a developed country? That sounds like Romney's paradise.

Also, didn't they just have a whole bunch of riots over said inequality?
 
2012-07-30 03:13:19 PM  
This is what happens when a "corporate consultant" goes on a "diplomatic mission." Dude's used to walking into a place and shiatting all over everybody.

He's also pandering HARD for the Florida vote, and of course went too far.
 
2012-07-30 03:13:20 PM  
In before his campaign says Mitt's words were taken out of context despite of the full context being available in the reports.
 
2012-07-30 03:13:27 PM  
Wow... Is he really this ignorant of the situation over there?
 
2012-07-30 03:14:26 PM  
I meant to type Romney IN Israel but mistyped and google filled in the rest:


s13.postimage.org
 
2012-07-30 03:15:11 PM  
Jewish culture does put a high value on achievement but so doesn't the Indians and they got a mess of a country on their hands....
 
2012-07-30 03:15:17 PM  
FTA"As you come here and you see the GDP per capita, for instance, in Israel which is about $21,000 dollars, and compare that with the GDP per capita just across the areas managed by the Palestinian authority, which is more like $10,000 per capita"

And there is your GOP and it's expected nominee's viewpoint on what makes people worth being concerned about. Why any average working schmo would support this party, or this Clown Shoes candidate, is beyond me.
 
2012-07-30 03:15:50 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: I don't want to reveal myself as an ignorant racist or anything, but is that actually true? It makes sense, but I've never heard anyone talk about it in an objective sort of way.


I applaud the fact that you want to you want to have an objective discussion about this... but you actually thought about it, and came to the conclusion that it makes sense??! Seriously?
 
2012-07-30 03:16:35 PM  

Jackson Herring: yeah if only those lazy Palestinians were better with money, am I right


They're poor? Why don't they buy more money?
 
2012-07-30 03:16:39 PM  

busy chillin': I meant to type Romney IN Israel but mistyped and google filled in the rest:


[s13.postimage.org image 601x135]


I am dying to know how "Romney is a unicorn" got to be #2.
 
2012-07-30 03:16:44 PM  

keylock71: Wow... Is he really this ignorant of the situation over there?


I've read enough about how Israel keeps control of water and even destroys Palestinian attempts to capture rain water. Israeli policy actively sabotages any effort to improve their situation.
 
2012-07-30 03:17:46 PM  
You can't be serious. No one is this dumb.

*checks article*

"As you come here and you see the GDP per capita, for instance, in Israel which is about $21,000 dollars, and compare that with the GDP per capita just across the areas managed by the Palestinian authority, which is more like $10,000 per capita, you notice such a dramatically stark difference in economic vitality," Romney said.

(Figures on the United Nations' website actually indicate a much greater disparity between Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory. Israel had a per capita GDP of $27,060 in 2009, while the 2009 per capita GDP of the occupied Palestinian territory was listed as $1,367.)

Citing the book "The Wealth and Poverty of Nations," Romney detailed his interpretation of author David Landes' thesis.

"He says if you can learn anything from the economic history of the world, it's this: culture makes all the difference. Culture makes all the difference. And as I come here and I look out over this city and consider the accomplishments of the people of this nation, I recognize the power of at least culture and a few other things," Romney said.


......

i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-07-30 03:18:10 PM  

NINDroog: Doesn't Israel have one of the highest rates of income inequality for a developed country? That sounds like Romney's paradise.

Also, didn't they just have a whole bunch of riots over said inequality?


Citation needed. Taxes are very high there, and social services are pretty robust, so I'm guessing it's hard out there for a non-socialist.

They have riots over inequality, but that's more about the ultra-religious being set on being the absolute biggest douchecanoes they can. It's inequality of the Rosa Parks sort (access and equal protection), not of the Medieval Feudalist sort (income inequality).
 
2012-07-30 03:18:27 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: vernonFL: Romney the the NAACP: African Americans excel at sports because back in slavery times, they used to breed them to be strong.

I don't want to reveal myself as an ignorant racist or anything, but is that actually true? It makes sense, but I've never heard anyone talk about it in an objective sort of way.


More like they would kill the ones that had any book learning because that was a threat, leaving the stronger ones for the fields.
 
2012-07-30 03:19:05 PM  

qorkfiend: busy chillin': I meant to type Romney IN Israel but mistyped and google filled in the rest:


[s13.postimage.org image 601x135]

I am dying to know how "Romney is a unicorn" got to be #2.


Clearly he must be a unicorn. I'm just asking questions here.
 
2012-07-30 03:19:07 PM  
Israel: Universal healthcare, and gays have been serving openly in their military for nearly 20 years.

And American conservatives LOVE the place.
 
2012-07-30 03:20:16 PM  
Can you say narcissistic personality disorder?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

Romney is a *textbook* case.
 
2012-07-30 03:20:24 PM  

Jairzinho: In before his campaign says Mitt's words were taken out of context despite of the full context being available in the reports.


You're way, way too late for that my friend. But to be fair they probably have that response so well practiced by now it's second nature.
 
2012-07-30 03:22:08 PM  
Several months back Romeny announced his list of advisers. I forget the numbers exactly, but of the fifty or so, over half were Jewish; and many were the same neocons Bush had had attatched to him.

Match that to the Mormon belief that Mormons are the "Lost Tribe of Israel" and it's clear why AIPACers think they've got themselves a real winner with Romney-- as well as the war with Iran Obama won't give them.
 
2012-07-30 03:22:42 PM  
Has a candidate for President ever just came out and said he thinks the Palestinians suck like this before?
 
2012-07-30 03:23:27 PM  

Nadie_AZ: keylock71: Wow... Is he really this ignorant of the situation over there?

I've read enough about how Israel keeps control of water and even destroys Palestinian attempts to capture rain water. Israeli policy actively sabotages any effort to improve their situation.


That's what I mean... To glibly chalk up the disparity to "culture" is not only insulting, it shows a remarkable ignorance of the dynamics in play between Israel and the Palestinians and the level of control the Israelis have over the movement of Palestinians and what they can do.
 
2012-07-30 03:23:32 PM  

PanicMan: Jackson Herring: yeah if only those lazy Palestinians were better with money, am I right

They're poor? Why don't they buy more money?


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-07-30 03:23:48 PM  

kingoomieiii: Yeah, that's probably why. In any case it's certainly easy to tell with both of them on such equal ground. If one of them were under crippling sanctions or a blockade of some sort, though, that comparison would be unfair. But no stooge could be so stupid as to say something like this out loud if that were the case.

But seriously, when it comes to talking about the world outside the US, Romney is somehow actually worse than Bush.


Romney seems to have a lot of idiots guiding his campaign and policy and doesn't seem to know when not to say something... Bush didn't have idiots, ruthless but not idiots...
 
2012-07-30 03:23:55 PM  

Jairzinho: In before his campaign says Mitt's words were taken out of context despite of the full context being available in the reports.


Not unlike Obama's "business owners didn't create their businesses" remark.
 
2012-07-30 03:24:06 PM  
Jeez, it's almost like one has the backing of the most powerful country on Earth, and the other doesn't.

/probably been said already
 
2012-07-30 03:24:13 PM  
Ah, Freudian slips of the Super-Right Money/Power Elite.

He should put out a book.
 
2012-07-30 03:24:24 PM  

qorkfiend: I am dying to know how "Romney is a unicorn" got to be #2.


Hell, I'm more surprised that "Romney is a robot" didn't show up.
 
2012-07-30 03:25:53 PM  
This "I got mine because God loves me" crap has gotta stop.

Beyond not passing the logical sniff test, it's blasphemy on the highest order. Read through the text in Red. And you'll have a hard time finding any support for it from Paul.
 
2012-07-30 03:26:00 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Jairzinho: In before his campaign says Mitt's words were taken out of context despite of the full context being available in the reports.

You're way, way too late for that my friend. But to be fair they probably have that response so well practiced by now it's second nature.

UPDATE: NBC's Garrett Haake, traveling with the campaign, reports from Gdansk, Poland, that senior Romney campaign strategist Stuart Stevens told reporters he takes issue with the story, calling it "completely manufactured," "sloppy," and even "invented."

He said the quote from Romney "revolves around an observation the governor has made in his book" and "mentioned in big speeches." The story, he claims, "never should have been written, was not handled responsibly and the Romney campaign was never called for comment. The economic situations for prosperity are interesting to study and important. "

He added that the comments were "not in any way an attempt to slight the Palestinians, and everyone knows that." And he even goes so far as to say: "It is regrettable whenever a story is handled improperly and I think we all agree on that."

 
2012-07-30 03:26:06 PM  
Well heck, this could be fun.

Let's see which cultures are superior/inferior to one another by GDP rankings.

Japan and Germany are better than the UK, but it seems odd that their cultures produce a lot of scat porn. Maybe we can add that to the metrics.
 
2012-07-30 03:26:35 PM  

The Dog Ate The Constitution: Jairzinho: In before his campaign says Mitt's words were taken out of context despite of the full context being available in the reports.

Not unlike Obama's "business owners didn't create their businesses" remark.


They didn't, and not really.
 
2012-07-30 03:27:22 PM  
So Mitt thinks China will soon be a better culture than the US?
 
2012-07-30 03:28:34 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Jairzinho: In before his campaign says Mitt's words were taken out of context despite of the full context being available in the reports.

You're way, way too late for that my friend. But to be fair they probably have that response so well practiced by now it's second nature.


I imagine some campaign PR guy in a room writing statements for every conceivable Rmoney gaffe, just to have them ready and in the can in case they happen. It's the politics version the Dana Carvey/Gerald Ford skit.
 
2012-07-30 03:28:51 PM  
And there you have it folks. Not only is MItt Romney part of a whack job Christian cult, but he believes in prosperity Jesus. That if you are poor it is because god hates you and wants you to suffer. Only the rich are loved by Jesus.
 
2012-07-30 03:29:14 PM  

qorkfiend: I am dying to know how "Romney is a unicorn" got to be #2.


A new conspiracy theory: Is Romney a unicorn?
 
2012-07-30 03:29:49 PM  
He should just start pooping on random stuff while he's on his overseas foot-in-mouth trip.
 
2012-07-30 03:30:06 PM  
The fact that the Jews took most of the good land and walled off the Arabs in their own bantustans subject to an embargo with no freedom of movement has nothing to do with it. No sir.
 
2012-07-30 03:30:26 PM  
Though it makes perfect sense that Money is a validation of one's Self in Romney's world. He is rich therefore he is better than everyone poorer than him.
 
2012-07-30 03:30:52 PM  

whidbey: They didn't, and not really.


Read his profile, laugh at him and favorited! his ass. This one will never say anything worthwhile.
 
2012-07-30 03:31:35 PM  

Lost Thought 00: So Mitt thinks China will soon be a better culture than the US?


i2.cdn.turner.com

Knee-how comrade! Does this coke right here taste funny?

 
2012-07-30 03:32:00 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Jairzinho: In before his campaign says Mitt's words were taken out of context despite of the full context being available in the reports.

You're way, way too late for that my friend. But to be fair they probably have that response so well practiced by now it's second nature.


You are right. I found this:

As criticism mounted while Romney traveled to Poland, campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul said: "His comments were grossly mischaracterized."

Also

The campaign contends Romney's comparison of countries that are close to each other and have wide income disparities - the U.S. and Mexico, Chile and Ecuador - shows his comments were broader than just the comparison between Israel and Palestine.

LOLWUT? In my world there is a whole country called Peru with like 800 miles long and roughly the size of Alaska in between.
 
2012-07-30 03:32:34 PM  

Jackson Herring: PanicMan: Jackson Herring: yeah if only those lazy Palestinians were better with money, am I right

They're poor? Why don't they buy more money?

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FACT: No poor person's dressage horse has ever made it to the Olympics. Poor culture at work.
 
2012-07-30 03:32:34 PM  

FlashHarry: i used to think mitt was smart and that i just disliked him for his unctuous pandering.

now i'm realizing that he's an upper-midwest dubya - a harvard-educated, multimillionaire moron who was born on third base and thought he hit a triple.


The more I learn about Mittens and see how he acts, I don't think the expression "born on third base/hit a triple" applies to him. It seems like the expression should be altered to: "Born on third base, thinks he hit a home run."

Most people who were born on third base realize there is still work to be done to make it to home base. Mitt thinks he is already there and that all this campaigning is just a formality, hence he is just phoning it in/acting like a fool. He doesn't think it matters because he is supposed to be president, regardless of anything else.
 
hej
2012-07-30 03:32:50 PM  
"He says if you can learn anything from the economic history of the world, it's this: culture makes all the difference."

Yes, and it seems Israel has a 'culture' of bulldozing Palestinian homes. That must be what makes them so wealthy.
 
2012-07-30 03:33:06 PM  
When all else is equal, culture makes a difference.

When you have an oppressed group with frequent trade and economic restrictions vs a group that has plenty of trade and tourism you can't compare their cultural basis of economics.

/I sometimes wonder how Africa would have done if the Europeans hadn't half colonized parts.
 
2012-07-30 03:33:08 PM  
Romney could have pissed on the Western Wall while giving a Nazi salute and 45-percent of America will vote for him simply because of the R in front of his name. A political party. They bow down to a goddamn political party. Bunch of pathetic, servile, fuk-wits. They are the future ancestors of Morlocks.

www.examiner.com
 
2012-07-30 03:33:45 PM  
Mitt's remarks were just aimed at the Palestinian Christians.
 
2012-07-30 03:33:55 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Shrugging Atlas: Jairzinho: In before his campaign says Mitt's words were taken out of context despite of the full context being available in the reports.

You're way, way too late for that my friend. But to be fair they probably have that response so well practiced by now it's second nature.

UPDATE: NBC's Garrett Haake, traveling with the campaign, reports from Gdansk, Poland, that senior Romney campaign strategist Stuart Stevens told reporters he takes issue with the story, calling it "completely manufactured," "sloppy," and even "invented."

He said the quote from Romney "revolves around an observation the governor has made in his book" and "mentioned in big speeches." The story, he claims, "never should have been written, was not handled responsibly and the Romney campaign was never called for comment. The economic situations for prosperity are interesting to study and important. "

He added that the comments were "not in any way an attempt to slight the Palestinians, and everyone knows that." And he even goes so far as to say: "It is regrettable whenever a story is handled improperly and I think we all agree on that."


Like I said in another thread, I find that quote hilarious. "He said it, sure, but it was in a big speech, and you didn't ask us to comment on the story that you shouldn't have been writing about anyway."

/he also has a secret plan to fight inflation
 
2012-07-30 03:35:16 PM  

Nadie_AZ: UPDATE: NBC's Garrett Haake, traveling with the campaign, reports from Gdansk, Poland, that senior Romney campaign strategist Stuart Stevens told reporters he takes issue with the story, calling it "completely manufactured," "sloppy," and even "invented."

He said the quote from Romney "revolves around an observation the governor has made in his book" and "mentioned in big speeches." The story, he claims, "never should have been written, was not handled responsibly and the Romney campaign was never called for comment. The economic situations for prosperity are interesting to study and important. "

He added that the comments were "not in any way an attempt to slight the Palestinians, and everyone knows that." And he even goes so far as to say: "It is regrettable whenever a story is handled improperly and I think we all agree on that."


One given with the Romney campaign is the more adjectives and outrage issued with any statement the more offensive or stupid Romney's original comment was.
 
2012-07-30 03:35:29 PM  
And I am sure he will be roundly shouted down for this remark by Israelis.
 
2012-07-30 03:36:39 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Citation needed. Taxes are very high there, and social services are pretty robust, so I'm guessing it's hard out there for a non-socialist.


I didn't have a citation, which is why I put a question mark at the end of that sentence rather than a period.

However, a cursory investigation of income inequality in Israel leads me to believe that I was not entirely off the mark.

http://www.haaretz.com/business/study-income-inequality-growing-faste r -in-israel-than-in-other-developed-nations-1.421277

http://rense.com/general94/soc.htm

http://taubcenter.org.il/index.php/publications/discussion-papers/lab o r/income-differentials-in-israel/lang/en/

http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/israel-economy.6kf/

Perhaps you are correct that the riots were not about income inequality, though I do know a substantial portion were based on rent/housing prices (or at least last years were).

/Not a Middle East specialist
 
2012-07-30 03:37:18 PM  

James!: Great candidate, GOP.


Romney/Rmoney continues his ritual un-prosecuted pre-meditated killing of political goodwill world wide. From calling the Brits incompetent event planners and then forgetting their names, to failing the Israeli don't-reference-financial-acumen test, Rmoney builds on his reputation for falling on his face. BBL, travels, and he "misspeaks". Nice. Good candidate.
 
2012-07-30 03:37:19 PM  

busy chillin': I meant to type Romney IN Israel but mistyped and google filled in the rest:


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I really thought you pshoped that, so I checked it out.

i105.photobucket.com

Damn.
 
2012-07-30 03:37:22 PM  
Palestinians have a culture of their land being taken away by Israelis. What kind of a loser culture is that? Jesus, Palestinians, get a better culture, you feebs.

Speaking of winning cultures...by the way, Israel, that 2 billion dollars a year we give you, so you can afford more tanks and planes and bulldozers and shiat? We're upping that amount some. Give our apologies to your accountants on the headaches that this will cause them.
 
2012-07-30 03:38:33 PM  

El Pachuco: qorkfiend: I am dying to know how "Romney is a unicorn" got to be #2.

A new conspiracy theory: Is Romney a unicorn?


"Romney! Rommmmmmneeeeeey~ We're going to Candy Mountain, Romney!"
 
2012-07-30 03:39:27 PM  

Jairzinho: The campaign contends Romney's comparison of countries that are close to each other and have wide income disparities - the U.S. and Mexico, Chile and Ecuador - shows his comments were broader than just the comparison between Israel and Palestine.

LOLWUT? In my world there is a whole country called Peru with like 800 miles long and roughly the size of Alaska in between.


God, he's now offending countries on continents he's not even visiting.

You forgot Poland Peru!
 
2012-07-30 03:40:11 PM  
Why doesn't it surprise me that the pampered son born on third base, raised in a faith that proclaims to be the True Church of Jesus Christ Reestablished on Earth, thinks some cultures are superior to others?
 
2012-07-30 03:41:32 PM  

Jairzinho:

The campaign contends Romney's comparison of countries that are close to each other and have wide income disparities - the U.S. and Mexico, Chile and Ecuador - shows his comments were broader than just the comparison between Israel and Palestine.

LOLWUT? In my world there is a whole country called Peru with like 800 miles long and roughly the size of Alaska in between.



Geography has a well-known liberal bias.
 
2012-07-30 03:41:39 PM  
Is there a list of groups romney has offended yet?
 
2012-07-30 03:43:17 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Jackson Herring: PanicMan: Jackson Herring: yeah if only those lazy Palestinians were better with money, am I right

They're poor? Why don't they buy more money?

[24.media.tumblr.com image 383x480]

FACT: No poor person's dressage horse has ever made it to the Olympics. Poor culture at work.


[voiceover] I was born a poor orphan on the streets of Brooklyn. All I had to my name was a pair of sneakers, a can-do attitude, and a $100,000 fancy-dancin' horse. This is my olympic story. [/voiceover]
 
2012-07-30 03:44:43 PM  

Torrent of Rubbish: James!: Great candidate, GOP.

Romney/Rmoney continues his ritual un-prosecuted pre-meditated killing of political goodwill world wide. From calling the Brits incompetent event planners and then forgetting their names, to failing the Israeli don't-reference-financial-acumen test, Rmoney builds on his reputation for falling on his face. BBL, travels, and he "misspeaks". Nice. Good candidate.


This is just proof of Obama's foreign policy failures. Why would Obama allow a total doofus like Romney to go overseas and make a complete ass of himself?

So...vote Republican!
 
2012-07-30 03:44:55 PM  

whidbey: The Dog Ate The Constitution: Jairzinho: In before his campaign says Mitt's words were taken out of context despite of the full context being available in the reports.

Not unlike Obama's "business owners didn't create their businesses" remark.

They didn't, and not really.


Right, I forgot that the government created all those businesses. Establishing land uses for public consumption is tantamount to the government single handedly creating and maintaining a profitable business.
 
2012-07-30 03:45:51 PM  

DamnYankees: As appalling as this is, I cant think of any constituency in US politics which would punish him for it.


the Palestinian/American vote may be small but .... never mind they are also Arab and not keen on drone strikes.

folks from the middle east must just play hell trying to figure out who to vote for.
 
2012-07-30 03:45:54 PM  

Epoch_Zero: You can't be serious. No one is this dumb.

*checks article*

"As you come here and you see the GDP per capita, for instance, in Israel which is about $21,000 dollars, and compare that with the GDP per capita just across the areas managed by the Palestinian authority, which is more like $10,000 per capita, you notice such a dramatically stark difference in economic vitality," Romney said.

(Figures on the United Nations' website actually indicate a much greater disparity between Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory. Israel had a per capita GDP of $27,060 in 2009, while the 2009 per capita GDP of the occupied Palestinian territory was listed as $1,367.)

Citing the book "The Wealth and Poverty of Nations," Romney detailed his interpretation of author David Landes' thesis.

"He says if you can learn anything from the economic history of the world, it's this: culture makes all the difference. Culture makes all the difference. And as I come here and I look out over this city and consider the accomplishments of the people of this nation, I recognize the power of at least culture and a few other things," Romney said.

......

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Aid to the Palestinians is about $1600 per person per year*. That's higher than the average middle income for Egypt at about $1400 per year. So yes, it is culture that is driving success.

* The amount has dropped to about $1300 recently.
 
2012-07-30 03:47:07 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Israel: Universal healthcare, and gays have been serving openly in their military for nearly 20 years.

And American conservatives LOVE the place.


Well it's not that they love the state of Israel. They love their idiotic interpretation of biblical prophecy that states the 2nd coming of Christ and the Rapture will happen when Israel is reformed. I think right now they're actively trying to get Jerusalem to be an official part of Israel because they believe that's what's holding things up.

So it's important for them to keep Israel dominant in that region at all costs, even if they don't like their form of government or their beliefs.

It's all really retarded, but so is conservatism in the first place.
 
2012-07-30 03:47:52 PM  
Stop pretending economics is a religion!!!

Not all rich people are "the chosen ones" not all poor people are evil scum who "deserve it".
 
2012-07-30 03:48:32 PM  
"Culture makes all the difference." THAT, and being backed by the world's most powerful governments for decades, no matter what, and sold the most advanced military weaponry so that you have the most powerful military in the region.

Someone should ask Mitt how much he loves the culture of rising economic power, China.
 
2012-07-30 03:49:34 PM  

Corvus: Stop pretending economics is a religion!!!

Not all rich people are "the chosen ones" not all poor people are evil scum who "deserve it".


Most do.
 
2012-07-30 03:50:02 PM  
It's pretty bad when John McCain, your top mouthpiece on foreign policy has to issue a statement with words to the effect of "No matter what it SOUNDED like, Romney clearly did not MEAN to say what he seems to have said"

and BTW the fact that Israel has systematically reduced Palestine's economic infrastructure to rubble over the last ten years is a LOT of the reason why its economy sucks
 
2012-07-30 03:50:34 PM  

Corvus: Stop pretending economics is a religion!!!

Not all rich people are "the chosen ones" not all poor people are evil scum who "deserve it".


Conservative thought prevents the ability to think in shades of grey.
 
2012-07-30 03:52:07 PM  
I'm sure the difference in GDP has nothing to do with the fact that Israel has been trying to destroy Palestine for decades now. Ya, nothing to do with it whatsoever.
 
2012-07-30 03:52:08 PM  

The Dog Ate The Constitution: Corvus: Stop pretending economics is a religion!!!

Not all rich people are "the chosen ones" not all poor people are evil scum who "deserve it".

Most do.


The number one reason for bankruptcy is medical care, so you believe that's Gods judgment to make them sick to poor? You are an idiot.
 
2012-07-30 03:52:31 PM  

Dog Welder: Torrent of Rubbish: James!: Great candidate, GOP.

Romney/Rmoney continues his ritual un-prosecuted pre-meditated killing of political goodwill world wide. From calling the Brits incompetent event planners and then forgetting their names, to failing the Israeli don't-reference-financial-acumen test, Rmoney builds on his reputation for falling on his face. BBL, travels, and he "misspeaks". Nice. Good candidate.

This is just proof of Obama's foreign policy failures. Why would Obama allow a total doofus like Romney to go overseas and make a complete ass of himself?

So...vote Republican!


It reminds me a lot of when the character Steve Urkel from the television show Family Matters would fark something up and then sheepishly inquire as to his culpability in the matter.
 
2012-07-30 03:53:27 PM  

The Dog Ate The Constitution: whidbey: The Dog Ate The Constitution: Jairzinho: In before his campaign says Mitt's words were taken out of context despite of the full context being available in the reports.

Not unlike Obama's "business owners didn't create their businesses" remark.

They didn't, and not really.

Right, I forgot that the government created all those businesses. Establishing land uses for public consumption is tantamount to the government single handedly creating and maintaining a profitable business.


You did "forget" that the subject has already been thoroughly covered, too, apparently, and your side lost.

You just can't handle the fact that the public and private sector need to work together. Society isn't the Wild West anymore, pal.

Now. About your shameless apology for Romney's remarks. Distracting us to an already settled conclusion about Obama doesn't get you off the hook.

He made a terrible gaffe that makes him sound like a bigot. Own up to it.
 
2012-07-30 03:53:56 PM  

verbaltoxin: Why doesn't it surprise me that the pampered son born on third base, raised in a faith that proclaims to be the True Church of Jesus Christ Reestablished on Earth, thinks some cultures are superior to others?


some cultures are superior to others. Not sure how that translates to relative economic success but a culture which stones women to death for having an affair is inferior to one which does not. A culture which exalts superstition over science is inferior to one governed by reason and logic.
A culture which destroys the artifacts of the past is inferior to one which preserves them. A culture which revels in narrowmindedness and provincialism is inferior to one which regards the world openly and inquisitively. A culture which promotes war over peace? Inferior. Get the idea?
 
2012-07-30 03:54:19 PM  

Bloody William: kingoomieiii: markie_farkie: "And I am especially proud of Jewish contributions to the world of science. In fact, this week marks the 150th anniversary of the invention of drawn copper wiring, which, as we all know, was created by two bankers who were in a heated battle over the same coin."

That's also a joke the Dutch and Belgians tell about each other.

That also joke of two Latvians fighting over loaf bread. Then Jews invent wiring.

/I enjoyed that thread way too much


"And yet, the Jews have made their mark on other parts of the world too. Just look at the US, where if it weren't for a very hardworking Semite and his lost nickle, we may have never known the greatness that is the Grand Canyon".
 
2012-07-30 03:54:42 PM  

verbaltoxin: Why doesn't it surprise me that the pampered son born on third base, raised in a faith that proclaims to be the True Church of Jesus Christ Reestablished on Earth, thinks some cultures are superior to others?


Not only that, but he pegs it to wealth.
 
2012-07-30 03:56:09 PM  

skullkrusher: verbaltoxin: Why doesn't it surprise me that the pampered son born on third base, raised in a faith that proclaims to be the True Church of Jesus Christ Reestablished on Earth, thinks some cultures are superior to others?

some cultures are superior to others. Not sure how that translates to relative economic success but a culture which stones women to death for having an affair is inferior to one which does not. A culture which exalts superstition over science is inferior to one governed by reason and logic.
A culture which destroys the artifacts of the past is inferior to one which preserves them. A culture which revels in narrowmindedness and provincialism is inferior to one which regards the world openly and inquisitively. A culture which promotes war over peace? Inferior. Get the idea?


So you are saying that Conservative culture is inferior? For once I think I agree with you.
 
2012-07-30 03:56:40 PM  

kingoomieiii: Yeah, that's probably why. In any case it's certainly easy to tell with both of them on such equal ground. If one of them were under crippling sanctions or a blockade of some sort, though, that comparison would be unfair. But no stooge could be so stupid as to say something like this out loud if that were the case.

But seriously, when it comes to talking about the world outside the US, Romney is somehow actually worse than Bush.


"let's hear for the Romney Tour/
It's been an incredible success
We weren't quite sure, we had a few doubts/
Will Mitt win through?/
But the answer is yes-
A qualified Yes- well-
Yes
And no
And yes
And no
And yes
NO
 
2012-07-30 03:57:08 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: verbaltoxin: Why doesn't it surprise me that the pampered son born on third base, raised in a faith that proclaims to be the True Church of Jesus Christ Reestablished on Earth, thinks some cultures are superior to others?

Not only that, but he pegs it to wealth.


well the Book of Mormon wasn't passed to man on tin plates after all. Makes you think, doesn't it?

/makes you think Mormonism is stupid
 
2012-07-30 03:57:29 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Conservative thought prevents the ability to think in shades of grey.


/FTFY.
 
2012-07-30 03:57:45 PM  

Pincy: skullkrusher: verbaltoxin: Why doesn't it surprise me that the pampered son born on third base, raised in a faith that proclaims to be the True Church of Jesus Christ Reestablished on Earth, thinks some cultures are superior to others?

some cultures are superior to others. Not sure how that translates to relative economic success but a culture which stones women to death for having an affair is inferior to one which does not. A culture which exalts superstition over science is inferior to one governed by reason and logic.
A culture which destroys the artifacts of the past is inferior to one which preserves them. A culture which revels in narrowmindedness and provincialism is inferior to one which regards the world openly and inquisitively. A culture which promotes war over peace? Inferior. Get the idea?

So you are saying that Conservative culture is inferior? For once I think I agree with you.


Congrats.
 
2012-07-30 03:58:14 PM  

Corvus: The Dog Ate The Constitution: Corvus: Stop pretending economics is a religion!!!

Not all rich people are "the chosen ones" not all poor people are evil scum who "deserve it".

Most do.

The number one reason for bankruptcy is medical care, so you believe that's Gods judgment to make them sick to poor? You are an idiot.


So the majority of poor people are those who had to file for bankruptcy due to medical care? No. most poor people are useless leeches who drain society of its resources.
 
2012-07-30 03:59:20 PM  

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: verbaltoxin: Why doesn't it surprise me that the pampered son born on third base, raised in a faith that proclaims to be the True Church of Jesus Christ Reestablished on Earth, thinks some cultures are superior to others?

Not only that, but he pegs it to wealth.

well the Book of Mormon wasn't passed to man on tin plates after all. Makes you think, doesn't it?

/makes you think Mormonism is stupid


I dunno, I dig on the "get your own planet when you die" thing. Evangelical heaven sounds terribly boring.
 
2012-07-30 04:00:37 PM  

busy chillin': I meant to type Romney IN Israel but mistyped and google filled in the rest:


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Obama's auto search isn't any better, so here is this one:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-30 04:01:11 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: verbaltoxin: Why doesn't it surprise me that the pampered son born on third base, raised in a faith that proclaims to be the True Church of Jesus Christ Reestablished on Earth, thinks some cultures are superior to others?

Not only that, but he pegs it to wealth.

well the Book of Mormon wasn't passed to man on tin plates after all. Makes you think, doesn't it?

/makes you think Mormonism is stupid

I dunno, I dig on the "get your own planet when you die" thing. Evangelical heaven sounds terribly boring.


I'd probably get stuck with a fixer upper in the bad part of Andromeda. Oh look honey, some dark matter moved in next door. There goes the solar system.
 
2012-07-30 04:03:56 PM  

NINDroog: Doesn't Israel have one of the highest rates of income inequality for a developed country? That sounds like Romney's paradise.

Also, didn't they just have a whole bunch of riots over said inequality?


A quick glance at the the World Bank's data on its GINI index gives a little bit of information. The last year in which they've got the index listed for most of the High Income OECD member countries is 2000. Israel was listed at 39 which is the second highest level of inequality behind the U.S.

The thing about the GINI and inequality data is that economists are still working on getting good data about inequality. It's surprisingly hard to deal with inequality since there's a fair number of ways you can look at it. I don't have any Theil statistics available right now to check.
 
2012-07-30 04:09:16 PM  
Mitt Romney is stunningly embarrassing. I mean, stunningly so. He makes George W. Bush look nuanced and intelligent. That takes a lot of work.
 
2012-07-30 04:10:03 PM  

MithrandirBooga: shower_in_my_socks: Israel: Universal healthcare, and gays have been serving openly in their military for nearly 20 years.

And American conservatives LOVE the place.

Well it's not that they love the state of Israel. They love their idiotic interpretation of biblical prophecy that states the 2nd coming of Christ and the Rapture will happen when Israel is reformed. I think right now they're actively trying to get Jerusalem to be an official part of Israel because they believe that's what's holding things up.

So it's important for them to keep Israel dominant in that region at all costs, even if they don't like their form of government or their beliefs.

It's all really retarded, but so is conservatism in the first place.


It's more complicated than that, but not by much.
Some Biblical "prophecy" or another has been interpreted by evangelicals to mean that Christ will not return until Israel has returned to its orginal Biblically described borders (not clear if they mean Israel in the "Unified Kingdom" sense or the borders of Israel after Judah had alrready split off, but I doubt they know what the difference either.)

As such they have become rabid supporters of Ultra-nationalist expansionist factions in Israel, providing them with money and political muscle here in the US. Those groups in Israel have gratefully accepted thier help, apparently either not realizing or caring that the evangelicals believe the next step in thier "end times scenario" is that shortly after the restoration of Israel's borders will be the extermination of all Jews everywhere save for 144,000 who convert to Christianity.

But I think Mitt's somewhat bizarre phrasing has less to do with pandering to evangelicals and uch more to do with his own Mormon beliefs, which I think posit that the original folks mentioned in the Book of Mormon were tribes of Israelis who got "lost" and somehow eneded up in North America and were incredibly technologically advanced coontil their culture was destroyed by the evil black-skinned bad guys)
 
2012-07-30 04:10:14 PM  

emilyek_1: Several months back Romeny announced his list of advisers. I forget the numbers exactly, but of the fifty or so, over half were Jewish; and many were the same neocons Bush had had attatched to him.

Match that to the Mormon belief that Mormons are the "Lost Tribe of Israel" and it's clear why AIPACers think they've got themselves a real winner with Romney-- as well as the war with Iran Obama won't give them.


I'm not sure any Jewish leadership is "in bed" with Romney because he thinks he's part of a lost tribe. Look into how some of the Rabbinate in Israel treated African Jews for more on how "lost tribes" are handled (hint: not always well). IMO, it's because they know who the Jews are, and it's seen as establishing a "special status" that by rights doesn't need to be so established. (Also, there's a belief that we're never gonna know who's from what tribe until the Messiah comes. "Shortcutting" that is a no-no.)

It's because Romney has money and is willing to say whatever AIPAC wants him to that they support him. The fact that Israeli leadership (and by extension, lots of AIPAC) is sabre-rattling with Iran is why Romney is also toy-sword-wielding - but don't let that fool you into thinking American Jewry is on board with Mittens.

"Those same neocon" Jews on Bush's team that are now on Romney's team are a who's-who of basically the only high-profile Republican Jews not named Eric Cantor. There are so many more on the Democratic side (including the rest of the Jewish Congressional delegation), plus staffers and other high-level Jewish advisors.

In short, diversity of opinion exists in every group. Yes, even that one.
 
2012-07-30 04:11:39 PM  
I'm more offended by Netenyahu for endorsing Romney. That asshole isn't American. So why the hell is he butting into our internal political affairs? Meeting and greeting would have been OK, but Netenyahu crossed that line.
 
2012-07-30 04:12:29 PM  

skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: skullkrusher: HotWingConspiracy: verbaltoxin: Why doesn't it surprise me that the pampered son born on third base, raised in a faith that proclaims to be the True Church of Jesus Christ Reestablished on Earth, thinks some cultures are superior to others?

Not only that, but he pegs it to wealth.

well the Book of Mormon wasn't passed to man on tin plates after all. Makes you think, doesn't it?

/makes you think Mormonism is stupid

I dunno, I dig on the "get your own planet when you die" thing. Evangelical heaven sounds terribly boring.

I'd probably get stuck with a fixer upper in the bad part of Andromeda. Oh look honey, some dark matter moved in next door. There goes the solar system.


lolz

I think hell was just some guy that ended up with a planet that hadn't cooled yet.
 
2012-07-30 04:14:38 PM  
"Israel GDP per capita is better than Palestine's because Jewish culture is better."

static.guim.co.uk

Totally. Embargos, import restrictions, 20' concrete perimeter walls, and periodic air and artillery attacks have no discernible effect on an economy.
 
2012-07-30 04:17:29 PM  

El Pachuco: "Israel GDP per capita is better than Palestine's because Jewish culture is better."

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Totally. Embargos, import restrictions, 20' concrete perimeter walls, and periodic air and artillery attacks have no discernible effect on an economy.


No, see this goes back to the geography argument. It's constantly raining burning phosphorus in Palestine for some reason. Bad luck all around.
 
2012-07-30 04:17:38 PM  

El Pachuco: "Israel GDP per capita is better than Palestine's because Jewish culture is better."

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Totally. Embargos, import restrictions, 20' concrete perimeter walls, and periodic air and artillery attacks have no discernible effect on an economy.


Fuk Palestine and fuk their people. Stop blowing up kids.
 
2012-07-30 04:18:39 PM  

El Pachuco: "Israel GDP per capita is better than Palestine's because Jewish culture is better."

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Totally. Embargos, import restrictions, 20' concrete perimeter walls, and periodic air and artillery attacks have no discernible effect on an economy.


Don't forget checkpoints, settlements, and not getting 3bn in American aid yearly. Nope, none of that.
 
2012-07-30 04:18:43 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: El Pachuco: "Israel GDP per capita is better than Palestine's because Jewish culture is better."

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Totally. Embargos, import restrictions, 20' concrete perimeter walls, and periodic air and artillery attacks have no discernible effect on an economy.

No, see this goes back to the geography argument. It's constantly raining burning phosphorus in Palestine for some reason. Bad luck all around.


Maybe they shouldn't have decided to live in an area that's prone to burning phosphorus storms.
 
2012-07-30 04:19:27 PM  

stewmadness: El Pachuco: "Israel GDP per capita is better than Palestine's because Jewish culture is better."

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Totally. Embargos, import restrictions, 20' concrete perimeter walls, and periodic air and artillery attacks have no discernible effect on an economy.

Fuk Palestine and fuk their people. Stop blowing up kids.


Looks like Rmoney will get at least one vote in the election.
 
2012-07-30 04:19:36 PM  

turboeli: I'm more offended by Netenyahu for endorsing Romney. That asshole isn't American. So why the hell is he butting into our internal political affairs? Meeting and greeting would have been OK, but Netenyahu crossed that line.


Why?

1. Because it's completely self serving to openly support the guy that (at one point yesterday) greenlit Israel attacking Iran

2. Because Netenyahu's entire sordid career is line crossing. He's a habitual line stepper.
 
2012-07-30 04:20:25 PM  

stewmadness: El Pachuco: "Israel GDP per capita is better than Palestine's because Jewish culture is better."

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Totally. Embargos, import restrictions, 20' concrete perimeter walls, and periodic air and artillery attacks have no discernible effect on an economy.

Fuk Palestine and fuk their people. Stop blowing up kids.


Um...you first?
 
2012-07-30 04:21:49 PM  
Wow.

I'm sure the difference in GDP has nothing to do with the fact that Israel is bombing the shiat out of the Palestinians, or bulldozing their houses, schools, and hospitals.

Jesus Christ, Romney, you are a farking asshole.
 
2012-07-30 04:23:41 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
Nuts like this destroyed the Palestinian economy all in the name of Allah
 
2012-07-30 04:26:03 PM  

turboeli: I'm more offended by Netenyahu for endorsing Romney. That asshole isn't American. So why the hell is he butting into our internal political affairs? Meeting and greeting would have been OK, but Netenyahu crossed that line.


In all fairness, Romney is campaigning in Israel and "butting into their internal political affairs." That kinda invites comments the other way.
 
2012-07-30 04:28:58 PM  

markie_farkie: It would have been hilarious if some mole had peppered his notes with obfuscated ethnic jokes..

"And I am especially proud of Jewish contributions to the world of science. In fact, this week marks the 150th anniversary of the invention of drawn copper wiring, which, as we all know, was created by two bankers who were in a heated battle over the same coin."


Oh god I just my drink all across my monitor. Coworkers looking at me weird(er). Thanks for that!
 
2012-07-30 04:29:08 PM  
Qatar is the supreme culture? Well Al Jazeera is quite frankly an excellent news program...
 
2012-07-30 04:29:14 PM  
Like every other Dem/Rebub in the last half century, Romney will put Israel's safety and security ahead of America's. Fark 'em all.
 
2012-07-30 04:31:40 PM  

ThreadSinger: markie_farkie: It would have been hilarious if some mole had peppered his notes with obfuscated ethnic jokes..

"And I am especially proud of Jewish contributions to the world of science. In fact, this week marks the 150th anniversary of the invention of drawn copper wiring, which, as we all know, was created by two bankers who were in a heated battle over the same coin."

Oh god I just my drink all across my monitor. Coworkers looking at me weird(er). Thanks for that!


I missed that. I leave in 5 minutes, I'll howl about it in the car.
 
2012-07-30 04:32:01 PM  
I can't wait for him to start speaking in Poland. "Say, do you folks like jokes? I've got a couple of classic polish jokes that I'd like to share with you."
 
2012-07-30 04:33:09 PM  
Is it wrong that I laughed my ass off this morning when I heard on NPR that Romney basically said "Jews are good with money"? Should I not have done that?
 
2012-07-30 04:33:25 PM  

smitty04: [upload.wikimedia.org image 200x241]
Nuts like this destroyed the Palestinian economy all in the name of Allah


www.nndb.com
Nuts World leaders like this got rich at the Palestinian expense
 
2012-07-30 04:33:27 PM  

Vodka Zombie: I really do think that Mitt Romney is retarded.


Aspergers, dude.
 
2012-07-30 04:36:20 PM  

rabidarmadillo24: I can't wait for him to start speaking in Poland. "Say, do you folks like jokes? I've got a couple of classic polish jokes that I'd like to share with you."


Poland, the reason your submarines keep sinking is cultural. America may be very rich, but anyone can do what we do with enough grit and tenacity. Sure, your submarine budget is like $75 and a Subway Club card, but it's your culture that insists on installing those screen doors.
 
2012-07-30 04:37:51 PM  
Someone get this guy a plane ticket back to the States ASAP.
He is going to get us into a(nother) war!
 
2012-07-30 04:40:12 PM  
So...wait...so Romney basically said that Jews are good with money?

/I await Tatsuma's outrage
 
2012-07-30 04:42:02 PM  

Vodka Zombie: I really do think that Mitt Romney is retarded.


So what?

He's gonna rule this country and a lot of people are going to get rich.
That's good enough.
 
2012-07-30 04:42:30 PM  

skullkrusher: verbaltoxin: Why doesn't it surprise me that the pampered son born on third base, raised in a faith that proclaims to be the True Church of Jesus Christ Reestablished on Earth, thinks some cultures are superior to others?

some cultures are superior to others. Not sure how that translates to relative economic success but a culture which stones women to death for having an affair is inferior to one which does not. A culture which exalts superstition over science is inferior to one governed by reason and logic.
A culture which destroys the artifacts of the past is inferior to one which preserves them. A culture which revels in narrowmindedness and provincialism is inferior to one which regards the world openly and inquisitively. A culture which promotes war over peace? Inferior. Get the idea?


People make a culture. It doesn't exist on its own in a vaccuum. Cultures are also complex and often contradictory. Just like the people who make it and live it. To say one is inferior is to then say those people are inferior.
 
2012-07-30 04:43:58 PM  

skullkrusher: verbaltoxin: Why doesn't it surprise me that the pampered son born on third base, raised in a faith that proclaims to be the True Church of Jesus Christ Reestablished on Earth, thinks some cultures are superior to others?

some cultures are superior to others. Not sure how that translates to relative economic success but a culture which stones women to death for having an affair is inferior to one which does not. A culture which exalts superstition over science is inferior to one governed by reason and logic.
A culture which destroys the artifacts of the past is inferior to one which preserves them. A culture which revels in narrowmindedness and provincialism is inferior to one which regards the world openly and inquisitively. A culture which promotes war over peace? Inferior. Get the idea?


What culture are you speaking of here, though? Most Muslims don't believe in any of what you said aside from the silly superstitions that most people believe in. Hell, historically Islam is one of the intellectual pillars of human civilization.
 
2012-07-30 04:44:16 PM  

sprawl15: rabidarmadillo24: I can't wait for him to start speaking in Poland. "Say, do you folks like jokes? I've got a couple of classic polish jokes that I'd like to share with you."

Poland, the reason your submarines keep sinking is cultural. America may be very rich, but anyone can do what we do with enough grit and tenacity. Sure, your submarine budget is like $75 and a Subway Club card, but it's your culture that insists on installing those screen doors.


All you need do is change the names.

What is a Polish carpool?
Four Poles in a Cadillac headed to the Welfare office.
 
2012-07-30 04:45:42 PM  

i1039.photobucket.com

 
2012-07-30 04:46:06 PM  
Does "Israeli culture" include the ultra-Orthodox who live off of welfare, avoid military service, and discriminate against women?
 
2012-07-30 04:47:13 PM  
So does Mormonism as a whole harbor the prosperity gospel contagion, or is it only Mitt Romnicus who has become fouled?

/this campaign is unclean
 
2012-07-30 04:48:58 PM  
The only thing this guy is running on is ideas with economy.
... this from a party that wants government out of business.
Maybe I'm not supposed to understand that?

He seems to literally fail at everything else he does.
A vote for him would be ignorant.
 
2012-07-30 04:49:06 PM  

verbaltoxin: People make a culture. It doesn't exist on its own in a vaccuum. Cultures are also complex and often contradictory. Just like the people who make it and live it. To say one is inferior is to then say those people are inferior.


It doesn't say that at all. Of course, people would view their cultures as superior to different ones. After all, it is their culture that helps define societal norms. While we might be shocked a culture would force women to cover from head to toe, they are likely shocked that we are so permissive.
 
2012-07-30 04:50:07 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: skullkrusher: verbaltoxin: Why doesn't it surprise me that the pampered son born on third base, raised in a faith that proclaims to be the True Church of Jesus Christ Reestablished on Earth, thinks some cultures are superior to others?

some cultures are superior to others. Not sure how that translates to relative economic success but a culture which stones women to death for having an affair is inferior to one which does not. A culture which exalts superstition over science is inferior to one governed by reason and logic.
A culture which destroys the artifacts of the past is inferior to one which preserves them. A culture which revels in narrowmindedness and provincialism is inferior to one which regards the world openly and inquisitively. A culture which promotes war over peace? Inferior. Get the idea?

What culture are you speaking of here, though? Most Muslims don't believe in any of what you said aside from the silly superstitions that most people believe in. Hell, historically Islam is one of the intellectual pillars of human civilization.


"Muslim" isn't a culture. There are very progressive Muslims all over the world. There are also very backwards Muslims all over the world as well. Same holds true for people in the West.
 
2012-07-30 04:52:19 PM  

LockeOak: So does Mormonism as a whole harbor the prosperity gospel contagion, or is it only Mitt Romnicus who has become fouled?

/this campaign is unclean


In my experience, having lived in Utah, it's pretty common among Utah Mormons but less so among other Mormons. I imagine it's more prevalent among the rich Mormons, just as I assume it is with rich christians in general, wherever they are.
 
2012-07-30 04:54:50 PM  
Someone should use this trip to create a "Daisy" ad...
 
2012-07-30 04:55:01 PM  
With what group of voters would this comment really cost him?
 
2012-07-30 04:56:39 PM  
Just because they live in the desert and practice a goofy religion and don't drink alcohol is no reason to hate the Palestinians Mormons..
 
2012-07-30 05:10:34 PM  

skullkrusher: verbaltoxin: People make a culture. It doesn't exist on its own in a vaccuum. Cultures are also complex and often contradictory. Just like the people who make it and live it. To say one is inferior is to then say those people are inferior.

It doesn't say that at all. Of course, people would view their cultures as superior to different ones. After all, it is their culture that helps define societal norms. While we might be shocked a culture would force women to cover from head to toe, they are likely shocked that we are so permissive.


So you're saying that if someone from Canada, Japan or somewhere else insulted your culture and said it was inferior, you wouldn't be offended? You'd be fine with that?
 
2012-07-30 05:10:47 PM  
I thought the 'DERP' was strong in Palin, but the 'DERP' is much more powerful in Romney.
 
2012-07-30 05:12:51 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: What a complete dickhead.


Romney is uncut?
 
2012-07-30 05:14:54 PM  

BuckTurgidson: [i1039.photobucket.com image 600x892]


GIS for similar:
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2012-07-30 05:16:46 PM  

verbaltoxin: skullkrusher: verbaltoxin: People make a culture. It doesn't exist on its own in a vaccuum. Cultures are also complex and often contradictory. Just like the people who make it and live it. To say one is inferior is to then say those people are inferior.

It doesn't say that at all. Of course, people would view their cultures as superior to different ones. After all, it is their culture that helps define societal norms. While we might be shocked a culture would force women to cover from head to toe, they are likely shocked that we are so permissive.

So you're saying that if someone from Canada, Japan or somewhere else insulted your culture and said it was inferior, you wouldn't be offended? You'd be fine with that?


Who gives a fark if someone is insulted? If I someone told you you're ugly, you'd probably be insulted. Would your offense impact the veracity of the statement?
 
2012-07-30 05:18:11 PM  

skullkrusher: verbaltoxin: skullkrusher: verbaltoxin: People make a culture. It doesn't exist on its own in a vaccuum. Cultures are also complex and often contradictory. Just like the people who make it and live it. To say one is inferior is to then say those people are inferior.

It doesn't say that at all. Of course, people would view their cultures as superior to different ones. After all, it is their culture that helps define societal norms. While we might be shocked a culture would force women to cover from head to toe, they are likely shocked that we are so permissive.

So you're saying that if someone from Canada, Japan or somewhere else insulted your culture and said it was inferior, you wouldn't be offended? You'd be fine with that?

Who gives a fark if someone is insulted? If I someone told you you're ugly, you'd probably be insulted. Would your offense impact the veracity of the statement?


In international diplomacy, insulting people as Romney did is frowned upon.
 
2012-07-30 05:20:35 PM  

skullkrusher: verbaltoxin: skullkrusher: verbaltoxin: People make a culture. It doesn't exist on its own in a vaccuum. Cultures are also complex and often contradictory. Just like the people who make it and live it. To say one is inferior is to then say those people are inferior.

It doesn't say that at all. Of course, people would view their cultures as superior to different ones. After all, it is their culture that helps define societal norms. While we might be shocked a culture would force women to cover from head to toe, they are likely shocked that we are so permissive.

So you're saying that if someone from Canada, Japan or somewhere else insulted your culture and said it was inferior, you wouldn't be offended? You'd be fine with that?

Who gives a fark if someone is insulted? If I someone told you you're ugly, you'd probably be insulted. Would your offense impact the veracity of the statement?


You are either the biggest idiot here, or the best troll. I can decide which.

If it's the former, nothing I can say will make it clearer. If it's the latter, you'll never own up to it. There's no use going further, we're done talking.
 
2012-07-30 05:22:50 PM  

Practical_Draconian: [barkersandrubes.files.wordpress.com image 768x614]


Shouldn't he be wearing his magic underwear, lest he gets struck down by Mormon Jesus?

/Dah dah dah dah.
//Stop - Mormon time.
 
2012-07-30 05:26:20 PM  
TFA: "Erekat said Romney ignored the reality that Israeli occupation was main (sic) reason Palestinian areas were suffering economically."


Yes, because as the Syrians, Jordanians, Egyptians and Lebanese have all shown us, Arab populations in the Middle East who aren't occupied by Israel do great for themselves, so the only logical conclusion is that the occupation is the main factor in the disparity in GDP.

WTF...why is it automatically "racist" to suggest that culture DOES make a difference in how successful people are? Why is it "racist" to imply that relative poverty isn't necessarily someone else's fault?


Also, subtroll, as you well know Romney didn't say anything about "Jewish culture" being better. 180+ comments so far, though...10/10.
 
2012-07-30 05:29:51 PM  

verbaltoxin: You are either the biggest idiot here, or the best troll. I can decide which.


hehe convincing.

verbaltoxin: If it's the former, nothing I can say will make it clearer. If it's the latter, you'll never own up to it. There's no use going further, we're done talking.


so this is an admission that whether someone is insulted that someone says their culture is inferior doesn't mean much to whether it actually is?
 
2012-07-30 05:30:39 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: verbaltoxin: skullkrusher: verbaltoxin: People make a culture. It doesn't exist on its own in a vaccuum. Cultures are also complex and often contradictory. Just like the people who make it and live it. To say one is inferior is to then say those people are inferior.

It doesn't say that at all. Of course, people would view their cultures as superior to different ones. After all, it is their culture that helps define societal norms. While we might be shocked a culture would force women to cover from head to toe, they are likely shocked that we are so permissive.

So you're saying that if someone from Canada, Japan or somewhere else insulted your culture and said it was inferior, you wouldn't be offended? You'd be fine with that?

Who gives a fark if someone is insulted? If I someone told you you're ugly, you'd probably be insulted. Would your offense impact the veracity of the statement?

In international diplomacy, insulting people as Romney did is frowned upon.


Mittens has no idea wtf he's doing. This isn't about him. This conversation is about whether culture A can be inferior to culture B. Of course it can.
 
2012-07-30 05:31:13 PM  

FlashHarry: now i'm realizing that he's an upper-midwest dubya - a harvard-educated, multimillionaire moron who was born on third base and thought he hit a triple.


At least W had some personality. Romney is like Kerry if Kerry was brainless.
 
2012-07-30 05:32:13 PM  

spmkk: Yes, because as the Syrians, Jordanians, Egyptians and Lebanese have all shown us, Arab populations in the Middle East who aren't occupied by Israel do great for themselves, so the only logical conclusion is that the occupation is the main factor in the disparity in GDP.


How do you explain the UAE and Qatar?

Durrrr....
 
2012-07-30 05:32:40 PM  

verbaltoxin: skullkrusher: verbaltoxin: People make a culture. It doesn't exist on its own in a vaccuum. Cultures are also complex and often contradictory. Just like the people who make it and live it. To say one is inferior is to then say those people are inferior.

It doesn't say that at all. Of course, people would view their cultures as superior to different ones. After all, it is their culture that helps define societal norms. While we might be shocked a culture would force women to cover from head to toe, they are likely shocked that we are so permissive.

So you're saying that if someone from Canada, Japan or somewhere else insulted your culture and said it was inferior, you wouldn't be offended? You'd be fine with that?


Why should anyone care about what Canadians say? They're inferior.
 
2012-07-30 05:33:32 PM  

Mrtraveler01: At least W had some personality. Romney is like Kerry if Kerry was brainless.


He's like Bush, Kerry and Sarah Palin's three-way mutant hatechild.
 
2012-07-30 05:33:33 PM  
Romney actually thinks that being Mormon makes him especially favored by God and that other people from other cultures who have been rewarded in this life appreciate and acknowledge his specialness, because they are special too.
 
2012-07-30 05:33:50 PM  

Vodka Zombie: I really do think that Mitt Romney is retardeddoesn't want to be President.


Fixed.

/obvious tag needed?
 
2012-07-30 05:34:00 PM  

skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: verbaltoxin: skullkrusher: verbaltoxin: People make a culture. It doesn't exist on its own in a vaccuum. Cultures are also complex and often contradictory. Just like the people who make it and live it. To say one is inferior is to then say those people are inferior.

It doesn't say that at all. Of course, people would view their cultures as superior to different ones. After all, it is their culture that helps define societal norms. While we might be shocked a culture would force women to cover from head to toe, they are likely shocked that we are so permissive.

So you're saying that if someone from Canada, Japan or somewhere else insulted your culture and said it was inferior, you wouldn't be offended? You'd be fine with that?

Who gives a fark if someone is insulted? If I someone told you you're ugly, you'd probably be insulted. Would your offense impact the veracity of the statement?

In international diplomacy, insulting people as Romney did is frowned upon.

Mittens has no idea wtf he's doing. This isn't about him. This conversation is about whether culture A can be inferior to culture B. Of course it can.


Please rank the following cultures in order of superiority:

United States
France
Canada
Bolivia
Australia
Israel
Palestine
Jordan
Japan
Russia
 
2012-07-30 05:35:31 PM  
Well, Europeans won the war with Indians, so, I'm not sure why we keep celebrating a lesser culture.
I just hope the Chinese don't have boats.
 
2012-07-30 05:35:43 PM  

DamnYankees: As appalling as this is, I cant think of any constituency in US politics which would punish him for it.


No one seems to have noticed yet, but in the same sentence he also took a shiat on Mexican culture. Not that he was going to win many hispanics, but he certainly can't afford to lose even more of them.
 
2012-07-30 05:37:10 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Please rank the following cultures in order of superiority:


Prediction: a pedantic denial that none of those countries are cultures.
Fark: for pages
 
2012-07-30 05:37:16 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: verbaltoxin: skullkrusher: verbaltoxin: People make a culture. It doesn't exist on its own in a vaccuum. Cultures are also complex and often contradictory. Just like the people who make it and live it. To say one is inferior is to then say those people are inferior.

It doesn't say that at all. Of course, people would view their cultures as superior to different ones. After all, it is their culture that helps define societal norms. While we might be shocked a culture would force women to cover from head to toe, they are likely shocked that we are so permissive.

So you're saying that if someone from Canada, Japan or somewhere else insulted your culture and said it was inferior, you wouldn't be offended? You'd be fine with that?

Who gives a fark if someone is insulted? If I someone told you you're ugly, you'd probably be insulted. Would your offense impact the veracity of the statement?

In international diplomacy, insulting people as Romney did is frowned upon.

Mittens has no idea wtf he's doing. This isn't about him. This conversation is about whether culture A can be inferior to culture B. Of course it can.

Please rank the following cultures in order of superiority:

United States
France
Canada
Bolivia
Australia
Israel
Palestine
Jordan
Japan
Russia


doesn't work that way. I'd say US culture is superior to Palestinian culture but trailing Canadian and Australian culture though in large part they are quite similar. I am not aware of a mathematical system that ranks cultures.
 
2012-07-30 05:39:02 PM  
I noticed... TF Only.

Submitted as: "Romney throws Mexico and Ecuador under the bus in an attempt to smooth over Israel-Palestine "culture" comment outrage"
 
2012-07-30 05:39:35 PM  

djkutch: Maybe we should give Palestine an allowance, too, to even things up.


We do.
 
2012-07-30 05:42:32 PM  

skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: verbaltoxin: skullkrusher: verbaltoxin: People make a culture. It doesn't exist on its own in a vaccuum. Cultures are also complex and often contradictory. Just like the people who make it and live it. To say one is inferior is to then say those people are inferior.

It doesn't say that at all. Of course, people would view their cultures as superior to different ones. After all, it is their culture that helps define societal norms. While we might be shocked a culture would force women to cover from head to toe, they are likely shocked that we are so permissive.

So you're saying that if someone from Canada, Japan or somewhere else insulted your culture and said it was inferior, you wouldn't be offended? You'd be fine with that?

Who gives a fark if someone is insulted? If I someone told you you're ugly, you'd probably be insulted. Would your offense impact the veracity of the statement?

In international diplomacy, insulting people as Romney did is frowned upon.

Mittens has no idea wtf he's doing. This isn't about him. This conversation is about whether culture A can be inferior to culture B. Of course it can.

Please rank the following cultures in order of superiority:

United States
France
Canada
Bolivia
Australia
Israel
Palestine
Jordan
Japan
Russia

doesn't work that way. I'd say US culture is superior to Palestinian culture but trailing Canadian and Australian culture though in large part they are quite similar. I am not aware of a mathematical system that ranks cultures.


You had a whole list of things that defined your notions of cultural superiority previously. I would have thought that someone who is as devoted to the notion of cultural superiority as you are would have thought through these kinds of comparisons in the past.

Do you agree with Romney that US culture is superior to Mexican culture?
 
2012-07-30 05:47:13 PM  

spmkk: WTF...why is it automatically "racist" to suggest that culture DOES make a difference in how successful people are? Why is it "racist" to imply that relative poverty isn't necessarily someone else's fault?



Then it's fair game to suggest that certain "cultures" are prone to attaching themselves to host nations, subverting them intellectually, using them militarily, draining them economically and then screaming like a little biatch when the shiatrain falls on their collective head.
 
2012-07-30 05:47:25 PM  

spmkk: Yes, because as the Syrians, Jordanians, Egyptians and Lebanese have all shown us, Arab populations in the Middle East who aren't occupied by Israel do great for themselves, so the only logical conclusion is that the occupation is the main factor in the disparity in GDP.

WTF...why is it automatically "racist" to suggest that culture DOES make a difference in how successful people are? Why is it "racist" to imply that relative poverty isn't necessarily someone else's fault?

Also, subtroll, as you well know Romney didn't say anything about "Jewish culture" being better. 180+ comments so far, though...10/10.


Aside from the Qatar example thing in the title, as well as Romney's comparing Israel and Palestine with "culture" and "history". Oh no, the title is not a direct quote because FARK doesn't allow longer headline.
 
2012-07-30 05:47:55 PM  

DeltaPunch: GAT_00: I like how Romney openly proclaimed in Israel that Jews are better at the money stuff.

So the final tally on the Israeli leg of Romney's World Gaffe Tour:

1) Turmoil in the Middle East is due to Obama abandoning W.'s "freedom agenda"
2) Retroactively supports NOT bombing the country he supported bombing the day before
3) Praises their healthcare system and low costs, which includes an individual mandate
4) Congratulates the Jews for being better at the money stuff than the Palestinians

At least he didn't crap all over their country this time. Up next: Poland!


Poland? I can just hear Romney walking through their Parliment... "Boy, there's alot of lightbulbs in here. Must have takentake forever to install..
 
2012-07-30 05:48:15 PM  

spmkk: Yes, because as the Syrians, Jordanians, Egyptians and Lebanese have all shown us, Arab populations in the Middle East who aren't occupied by Israel do great for themselves, so the only logical conclusion is that the occupation is the main factor in the disparity in GDP.

WTF...why is it automatically "racist" to suggest that culture DOES make a difference in how successful people are? Why is it "racist" to imply that relative poverty isn't necessarily someone else's fault?

Also, subtroll, as you well know Romney didn't say anything about "Jewish culture" being better. 180+ comments so far, though...10/10.


Aside from the Qatar example thing in the title, with Romney's comparing Israel and Palestine using "culture" and "history". Oh no! The title is not a direct quote because FARK doesn't allow longer headline.
 
2012-07-30 05:50:20 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: You had a whole list of things that defined your notions of cultural superiority previously. I would have thought that someone who is as devoted to the notion of cultural superiority as you are would have thought through these kinds of comparisons in the past.


I was able to come up with those things off the top of my head without having spent any time in memory devoted to the notion of cultural superiority. You sound impressed.

Philip Francis Queeg: Do you agree with Romney that US culture is superior to Mexican culture?


In that I am happy as shiat living in the US rather than that largely lawless hellhole? Yeah, I suppose I am. We talking art and food too?
 
2012-07-30 05:54:09 PM  

skullkrusher: Mittens has no idea wtf he's doing. This isn't about him. This conversation is about whether culture A can be inferior to culture B. Of course it can.


No, it's about having more money makes your culture better. Because money is the most important measurement of all.
 
2012-07-30 05:55:09 PM  

skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: Do you agree with Romney that US culture is superior to Mexican culture?

In that I am happy as shiat living in the US rather than that largely lawless hellhole? Yeah, I suppose I am. We talking art and food too?


Yes we are talking about CULTURES not political systems. There is a vast difference.
 
2012-07-30 05:56:31 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: Do you agree with Romney that US culture is superior to Mexican culture?

In that I am happy as shiat living in the US rather than that largely lawless hellhole? Yeah, I suppose I am. We talking art and food too?

Yes we are talking about CULTURES not political systems. There is a vast difference.


Apparently there isn't.
 
2012-07-30 05:57:19 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Lost Thought 00:[i2.cdn.turner.com image 475x307]

Knee-how comrade! Does this coke right here taste funny?


A mormon wouldn't be familiar with the taste of Coca-Cola. Or cocaine. Or is that-the-joke.jpg?
 
2012-07-30 05:57:22 PM  

The Dog Ate The Constitution: Corvus: The Dog Ate The Constitution: Corvus: Stop pretending economics is a religion!!!

Not all rich people are "the chosen ones" not all poor people are evil scum who "deserve it".

Most do.

The number one reason for bankruptcy is medical care, so you believe that's Gods judgment to make them sick to poor? You are an idiot.

So the majority of poor people are those who had to file for bankruptcy due to medical care? No. most poor people are useless leeches who drain society of its resources.


I know you're a troll but it's great for me, you just make all conservatives look bad.

Do you think all poor people deserve to die for not being able to afford medical coverage?
 
2012-07-30 05:59:22 PM  

PanicMan: skullkrusher: Mittens has no idea wtf he's doing. This isn't about him. This conversation is about whether culture A can be inferior to culture B. Of course it can.

No, it's about having more money makes your culture better. Because money is the most important measurement of all.


Yeah Romney gave 100 Million of his superior culture to his children tax free too. Since his children are now so culturally superior they don't ever need to work one day of their life.
 
2012-07-30 06:02:01 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: Do you agree with Romney that US culture is superior to Mexican culture?

In that I am happy as shiat living in the US rather than that largely lawless hellhole? Yeah, I suppose I am. We talking art and food too?

Yes we are talking about CULTURES not political systems. There is a vast difference.


they do largely go hand in hand. The idea that bribing a cop in Mexico can get you out of trouble is ingrained into the culture, isn't it?
Is culture not impacted by whether you are governed by a monarchy, dictator or democratically elected body?

do you think it is not possible to say that one culture is superior to another?
 
2012-07-30 06:02:47 PM  

PanicMan: skullkrusher: Mittens has no idea wtf he's doing. This isn't about him. This conversation is about whether culture A can be inferior to culture B. Of course it can.

No, it's about having more money makes your culture better. Because money is the most important measurement of all.


yeah I don't see how relative economic success is an indication of cultural superiority.
 
2012-07-30 06:03:33 PM  

YOUR GOP PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE FOLKS

 
2012-07-30 06:04:53 PM  

Mrtraveler01: spmkk: Yes, because as the Syrians, Jordanians, Egyptians and Lebanese have all shown us, Arab populations in the Middle East who aren't occupied by Israel do great for themselves, so the only logical conclusion is that the occupation is the main factor in the disparity in GDP.

How do you explain the UAE and Qatar?

Durrrr....



Are you trying to be funny? UAE and Qatar are sitting on goldmines -- they have the 5th- and 7th-largest richest oil reserves in the world, respectively, as well as small populations and comparatively tiny areas. It's hard to have a low GDP under circumstances like that no matter what your culture.
 
2012-07-30 06:05:19 PM  

skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: Do you agree with Romney that US culture is superior to Mexican culture?

In that I am happy as shiat living in the US rather than that largely lawless hellhole? Yeah, I suppose I am. We talking art and food too?

Yes we are talking about CULTURES not political systems. There is a vast difference.

they do largely go hand in hand. The idea that bribing a cop in Mexico can get you out of trouble is ingrained into the culture, isn't it?
Is culture not impacted by whether you are governed by a monarchy, dictator or democratically elected body?

do you think it is not possible to say that one culture is superior to another?


It appears your notions of culture are as limited to a legal system as you notions of ethics and morals are. I also forgot that bribing a cop to get out of a ticket was foreign to US culture.

Is Britain's culture inferior or superior to that of the US because they have a Monarchy?
 
2012-07-30 06:12:33 PM  

skullkrusher: PanicMan: skullkrusher: Mittens has no idea wtf he's doing. This isn't about him. This conversation is about whether culture A can be inferior to culture B. Of course it can.

No, it's about having more money makes your culture better. Because money is the most important measurement of all.

yeah I don't see how relative economic success is an indication of cultural superiority.


I agree with you. Mitt Romney doesn't.
 
2012-07-30 06:12:52 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: It appears your notions of culture are as limited to a legal system as you notions of ethics and morals are. I also forgot that bribing a cop to get out of a ticket was foreign to US culture.


really? You'd call that part of a American culture? You understand "being part of the culture" and "does it ever happen" aren't the same thing, don't you? Of course you do.

I provided some examples of ways I think one culture can be superior outside of a legal system - attitudes towards women, for example. You even referenced my items as evidence that I've thought long and hard on the topic but now, suddenly, it's as if I have only spoken of legal systems. If I didn't know better, I'd think you were being dishonest again.

Philip Francis Queeg: Is Britain's culture inferior or superior to that of the US because they have a Monarchy?


nah, in their case it is really just a vestigial tradition. I suppose in some ways it impacts their culture. Being "subjects" and all and how Buckingham Palace is the center of their capital. Not sure that makes them inferior to us though. Definitely different.

So, do you think it is impossible to say one culture is superior to another? A culture which treats women as property and another which regards them as equal and full citizens are just differently good, perhaps? 2nd time I've asked.
 
2012-07-30 06:13:31 PM  

PanicMan: skullkrusher: PanicMan: skullkrusher: Mittens has no idea wtf he's doing. This isn't about him. This conversation is about whether culture A can be inferior to culture B. Of course it can.

No, it's about having more money makes your culture better. Because money is the most important measurement of all.

yeah I don't see how relative economic success is an indication of cultural superiority.

I agree with you. Mitt Romney doesn't.


yep, the article made that clear
 
2012-07-30 06:17:27 PM  
Is this the second season of Idiot Abroad????
 
2012-07-30 06:18:09 PM  

busy chillin': I meant to type Romney IN Israel but mistyped and google filled in the rest:


[s13.postimage.org image 601x135]


Apparently the Romney is a Unicorn thing is actually a, um, thing.

www.addictinginfo.org

/hot like Hades
 
2012-07-30 06:19:01 PM  

skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: It appears your notions of culture are as limited to a legal system as you notions of ethics and morals are. I also forgot that bribing a cop to get out of a ticket was foreign to US culture.

really? You'd call that part of a American culture? You understand "being part of the culture" and "does it ever happen" aren't the same thing, don't you? Of course you do.

I provided some examples of ways I think one culture can be superior outside of a legal system - attitudes towards women, for example. You even referenced my items as evidence that I've thought long and hard on the topic but now, suddenly, it's as if I have only spoken of legal systems. If I didn't know better, I'd think you were being dishonest again.

Philip Francis Queeg: Is Britain's culture inferior or superior to that of the US because they have a Monarchy?

nah, in their case it is really just a vestigial tradition. I suppose in some ways it impacts their culture. Being "subjects" and all and how Buckingham Palace is the center of their capital. Not sure that makes them inferior to us though. Definitely different.

So, do you think it is impossible to say one culture is superior to another? A culture which treats women as property and another which regards them as equal and full citizens are just differently good, perhaps? 2nd time I've asked.


Culture is much to broad and subjective a category to make such comparisons on.

You aren't even comparing cultures. You are cherry picking a very few discrete elements of a culture to compare. So few elements as to be insignificant.

But let's take you art your world, and believe that you are comparing cultures in some meaningful way. Since you think the US culture is superior to Mexican culture, do you believe that you should be spreading American culture and displacing Mexican culture? Should Mexican culture be limited or eliminated in the US?
 
2012-07-30 06:19:24 PM  

skullkrusher: So, do you think it is impossible to say one culture is superior to another? A culture which treats women as property and another which regards them as equal and full citizens are just differently good, perhaps? 2nd time I've asked.


A culture that treats women as property might be a bad thing about that culture, but saying ours is automagically "superior" to it is a bit of a broad brush.

We've got baggage, too.
 
2012-07-30 06:24:47 PM  

spmkk: Mrtraveler01: spmkk: Yes, because as the Syrians, Jordanians, Egyptians and Lebanese have all shown us, Arab populations in the Middle East who aren't occupied by Israel do great for themselves, so the only logical conclusion is that the occupation is the main factor in the disparity in GDP.

How do you explain the UAE and Qatar?

Durrrr....


Are you trying to be funny? UAE and Qatar are sitting on goldmines -- they have the 5th- and 7th-largest richest oil reserves in the world, respectively, as well as small populations and comparatively tiny areas. It's hard to have a low GDP under circumstances like that no matter what your culture.


So you agree that it's not a cultural thing then?

Good to know.
 
2012-07-30 06:30:18 PM  

whidbey: A culture that treats women as property might be a bad thing about that culture, but saying ours is automagically "superior" to it is a bit of a broad brush.


it's not magic. All cultures have their drawbacks and American culture (and the subsets within that culture) is far from ideal or even world beating. However, something like that is pretty much guarantees you a spot at the bottom of the heap.
 
2012-07-30 06:35:27 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Culture is much to broad and subjective a category to make such comparisons on.


no, it isn't. If your culture treats women like property to be hidden away, destroys ancient artworks to appease an angry god, executes homosexuals... you're pretty much inferior to most other cultures despite your excellent recipe for chicken soup.

Philip Francis Queeg: But let's take you art your world, and believe that you are comparing cultures in some meaningful way. Since you think the US culture is superior to Mexican culture, do you believe that you should be spreading American culture and displacing Mexican culture? Should Mexican culture be limited or eliminated in the US?


I don't think the negative aspects of Mexican culture are ingrained in US culture in any meaningful way so no. We practice (or at least support) cultural imperialism all the time. Who doesn't want to see every resident of every country treated as an equal human being worthy of respect and dignity? We aren't perfect in this regard but we are far better than many places in the world - who wouldn't want to see these western cultural values as such they are exported to a place like Rwanda?
 
2012-07-30 06:37:59 PM  

Egalitarian: Does "Israeli culture" include the ultra-Orthodox who live off of welfare, avoid military service, and discriminate against women?


Funny, it sounds like the ultra-Orthodox in the Jewish community have a lot in common with the chickenhawk Teatards in the GOP. Hmm.
 
2012-07-30 06:43:55 PM  
Even CNN has this one as lead politics story. Its a huge farkup, its both outrageous and stupidly ill informed. Did one single person here, on reading his quote, not instantly think 'well farking duh, they live in hovels under a blockade you maroon'? Even the righties must have had a fainting fit after reading something that stupid from the one they are supposed to vote for as their leader.
 
2012-07-30 06:45:39 PM  
There is still time to change your mind, Republicans. There is still time.
 
2012-07-30 06:47:23 PM  
Romney: (addressing the UN) So, an Indian, a Frenchman, and the Pope are all on a plane. The pilot says, "Hey, are any of you not circumcised?" So the Pope lifts up his robe and says, "Shut up, stupid! You don't even speak English!" The Israeli asks the Japanese guy to open his eyes, but the Japanese man says, "I'm not squinting you crazy Jew, you're the one who sold me these cheap glasses!" What's the difference between a Belgian and a lump of dog shiat? The Belgian drinks wine, but the dog shiat smells good.
 
2012-07-30 06:47:36 PM  
Israel #1!!
 
2012-07-30 06:53:54 PM  

gaspode: Even CNN has this one as lead politics story. Its a huge farkup, its both outrageous and stupidly ill informed. Did one single person here, on reading his quote, not instantly think 'well farking duh, they live in hovels under a blockade you maroon'? Even the righties must have had a fainting fit after reading something that stupid from the one they are supposed to vote for as their leader.


Romney's most incompetent quality as a politician is his failure to understand that, even if what he plans to say is perfectly calculated to pander to his present audience, people OUTSIDE THE ROOM are going to learn what he said. And then he has to come up with a retraction to pander to all those other people.
 
2012-07-30 06:56:22 PM  

skullkrusher: whidbey: A culture that treats women as property might be a bad thing about that culture, but saying ours is automagically "superior" to it is a bit of a broad brush.

it's not magic. All cultures have their drawbacks and American culture (and the subsets within that culture) is far from ideal or even world beating. However, something like that is pretty much guarantees you a spot at the bottom of the heap.


Yeah but come on. Saying one culture is "superior" to another is kind of snobby attitude at best. Especially if we're coming from the point of view that we, the Big Bad United States is all about treating others "as an equal human being worthy of respect and dignity." Sends a mixed message.
 
2012-07-30 06:57:32 PM  

Farker Soze: Romney: (addressing the UN) So, an Indian, a Frenchman, and the Pope are all on a plane. The pilot says, "Hey, are any of you not circumcised?" So the Pope lifts up his robe and says, "Shut up, stupid! You don't even speak English!" The Israeli asks the Japanese guy to open his eyes, but the Japanese man says, "I'm not squinting you crazy Jew, you're the one who sold me these cheap glasses!" What's the difference between a Belgian and a lump of dog shiat? The Belgian drinks wine, but the dog shiat smells good.


badattitudes.com
 
2012-07-30 06:57:35 PM  

pjbreeze: I thought the 'DERP' was strong in Palin, but the 'DERP' is much more powerful in Romney.

's handlers.

FTFY

Romney's backbone is as strong as Stephen Hawkings, and his moral fibre as strong as... well... your average
Republican.

All of these gaffes are his attempt to shore up the DERP vote.
 
2012-07-30 06:57:47 PM  

FlashHarry: i used to think mitt was smart and that i just disliked him for his unctuous pandering.

now i'm realizing that he's an upper-midwest dubya - a harvard-educated, multimillionaire moron who was born on third base and thought he hit a triple.


I've been saying this for a while- dude is dumb.
 
2012-07-30 07:02:13 PM  
Romney is right.

Some people can't handle the truth.
 
2012-07-30 07:02:28 PM  

Farker Soze: Romney: (addressing the UN) So, an Indian, a Frenchman, and the Pope are all on a plane. The pilot says, "Hey, are any of you not circumcised?" So the Pope lifts up his robe and says, "Shut up, stupid! You don't even speak English!" The Israeli asks the Japanese guy to open his eyes, but the Japanese man says, "I'm not squinting you crazy Jew, you're the one who sold me these cheap glasses!" What's the difference between a Belgian and a lump of dog shiat? The Belgian drinks wine, but the dog shiat smells good.


Meanwhile, on the other side of the aisle...

Link
 
2012-07-30 07:05:51 PM  

coco ebert: I've been saying this for a while- dude is dumb.


He is the guy born rich and surrounded by yes-men all his life. He is used to just being able to say stupid shiat and everyone just agreeing with it because he is there boss or they want some of his money.

Born on third, thinks he hit a triple.
 
2012-07-30 07:19:44 PM  

skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: But let's take you art your world, and believe that you are comparing cultures in some meaningful way. Since you think the US culture is superior to Mexican culture, do you believe that you should be spreading American culture and displacing Mexican culture? Should Mexican culture be limited or eliminated in the US?

I don't think the negative aspects of Mexican culture are ingrained in US culture in any meaningful way so no. We practice (or at least support) cultural imperialism all the time. Who doesn't want to see every resident of every country treated as an equal human being worthy of respect and dignity? We aren't perfect in this regard but we are far better than many places in the world - who wouldn't want to see these western cultural values as such they are exported to a place like Rwanda?


And of course you'd fully support Canadian and Australian cultural imperialism missions in the US to fix our inferior culture once we stamp out the inferior Mexican culture.

Which culture so you think should ultimately be supreme?
 
2012-07-30 07:23:01 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: But let's take you art your world, and believe that you are comparing cultures in some meaningful way. Since you think the US culture is superior to Mexican culture, do you believe that you should be spreading American culture and displacing Mexican culture? Should Mexican culture be limited or eliminated in the US?

I don't think the negative aspects of Mexican culture are ingrained in US culture in any meaningful way so no. We practice (or at least support) cultural imperialism all the time. Who doesn't want to see every resident of every country treated as an equal human being worthy of respect and dignity? We aren't perfect in this regard but we are far better than many places in the world - who wouldn't want to see these western cultural values as such they are exported to a place like Rwanda?

And of course you'd fully support Canadian and Australian cultural imperialism missions in the US to fix our inferior culture once we stamp out the inferior Mexican culture.

Which culture so you think should ultimately be supreme?


MINE. Obviously.
 
2012-07-30 07:25:36 PM  

LargeCanine: Romney is right.

Some people can't handle the truth.


Libtards would have everyone believe Palestinians are innocent victims and just totally forget about their constant attacks on Israel since 1948.
 
2012-07-30 07:27:37 PM  
Romney: "Look, all I'm sayin' is, the Jews who manage my off-shore bank accounts do a bang-up job, so I'm not surprised you Jews here in Israel are doing so great. OK, let's print that and get it into our Florida ads ASAP. Do you guys have a Honeybaked Ham nearby? I'm starvin'."
 
2012-07-30 07:33:48 PM  

LargeCanine: Romney is right.

Some people can't handle the truth.


Thank God you came and set the record straight.
 
2012-07-30 07:38:36 PM  
He was just saying, you know, that the Joooos are good with money and stuff

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-30 07:40:31 PM  

Mearen: LargeCanine: Romney is right.

Some people can't handle the truth.

Libtards would have everyone believe Palestinians are innocent victims and just totally forget about their constant attacks on Israel since 1948.


So what should we do with the Palestinians?
 
2012-07-30 07:45:34 PM  
you guys are aware that the israeli-arab dispute does not end at the banks of the jordan river or mount hermon, right? yes, the palestinians have a rough lot and a raw deal and as human beings we are obligated to help them help themselves insofar as does as little harm to others (can we carve a chunk out of israel and give it to them? out of jordan? i don't have the answer...) and mr rmoney has expressed this thought as inarticulately as possible. nonetheless, there must be some reason (or perhaps it's just chance) that the dozens of surrounding arab nations more or less are all dominated (in population) by impoverished middle and lower classes, while the israeli standard of living has been steadily improving. we have donated no small amount of money and american security to several of our arab allies in the region and have seen far less returns.
the notion that the israelis have made good use of human capital is a popular idea in israel, and a careful inspection of the facts will bear out its truth. the billions we "give" them a year in defense spending is spent---every penny of it---in the united states. contrasted with the expenditures we've made in securing (or attempting to secure) other parts of the middle east, southeast asia, and so on.... it would be several hundreds of years until the "aid to israel" really constituted a significant portion of our "defense" expenditures. keep in mind that the "aid" does not come without restrictions. the israeli defense industry cannot sell certain weapons to certain countries as a byproduct of this agreement. in some sense some of the aid is thus compensation for lost sales.
of course we should carefully evaluate our relations with israel, all of the pros and all of the cons, and we should do it will an objective view of all the facts. i personally believe that the alliance currently is mutually beneficial, but am open to being proven wrong. the views presented in fark in favor of or against the alliance are frequently taken completely out of perspective, even when the authors present verifiable facts. thus i would urge all to understand the complex nature of our relations with israel and with any other nation before jumping to any conclusions.
 
2012-07-30 07:46:25 PM  

Dr Dreidel: NINDroog: Doesn't Israel have one of the highest rates of income inequality for a developed country? That sounds like Romney's paradise.

Also, didn't they just have a whole bunch of riots over said inequality?

Citation needed. Taxes are very high there, and social services are pretty robust, so I'm guessing it's hard out there for a non-socialist.

They have riots over inequality, but that's more about the ultra-religious being set on being the absolute biggest douchecanoes they can. It's inequality of the Rosa Parks sort (access and equal protection), not of the Medieval Feudalist sort (income inequality).



You're asking for a citation? Were you asleep last summer for the camping out in Tel Aviv because of income inequality?
 
2012-07-30 07:48:14 PM  

indylaw: The fact that the Jews took most of the good land and walled off the Arabs in their own bantustans subject to an embargo with no freedom of movement has nothing to do with it. No sir.



Good land? There was good land before Israel built the infrastructure after 1948? That's funny
 
2012-07-30 07:51:14 PM  

The Dog Ate The Constitution: So the majority of poor people are those who had to file for bankruptcy due to medical care? No. most poor people are useless leeches who drain society of its resources.



The pathetic myth of the welfare queen lives on even when it was wrong the second Reagan claimed it
 
2012-07-30 07:53:16 PM  

turboeli: I'm more offended by Netenyahu for endorsing Romney. That asshole isn't American. So why the hell is he butting into our internal political affairs? Meeting and greeting would have been OK, but Netenyahu crossed that line.


citation needed. Bibi did not endorse him
 
2012-07-30 07:53:25 PM  
Mitt: Polaks are culturally inferior to Krauts too., Because the Polak GNP per capita is less than half that of the Krauts.

(Mitt handler: Mitt, you can't use that line. Hitler already holds the copyright.)

Mitt: OK, Let me retro that remark too , and etch a new sketch, because I really did not mean to say that.
In fact, let's retro-etch the whole goddam trip and get back to ni--er baiting back home.
 
2012-07-30 07:57:36 PM  

Mearen: LargeCanine: Romney is right.

Some people can't handle the truth.

Libtards would have everyone believe Palestinians are innocent victims and just totally forget about their constant attacks on Israel since 1948.



Yes, every Palestinian has attacked Israel. None of them are innocent

/This is what war mongering conservative idiots in America actually believe
 
2012-07-30 08:01:30 PM  

intelligent comment below: The Dog Ate The Constitution: So the majority of poor people are those who had to file for bankruptcy due to medical care? No. most poor people are useless leeches who drain society of its resources.


The pathetic myth of the welfare queen lives on even when it was wrong the second Reagan claimed it


There are welfare queens. It just so happens that they're the rich, not the poor.
 
2012-07-30 08:29:19 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: verbaltoxin: skullkrusher: verbaltoxin: People make a culture. It doesn't exist on its own in a vaccuum. Cultures are also complex and often contradictory. Just like the people who make it and live it. To say one is inferior is to then say those people are inferior.

It doesn't say that at all. Of course, people would view their cultures as superior to different ones. After all, it is their culture that helps define societal norms. While we might be shocked a culture would force women to cover from head to toe, they are likely shocked that we are so permissive.

So you're saying that if someone from Canada, Japan or somewhere else insulted your culture and said it was inferior, you wouldn't be offended? You'd be fine with that?

Who gives a fark if someone is insulted? If I someone told you you're ugly, you'd probably be insulted. Would your offense impact the veracity of the statement?

In international diplomacy, insulting people as Romney did is frowned upon.

Mittens has no idea wtf he's doing. This isn't about him. This conversation is about whether culture A can be inferior to culture B. Of course it can.

Please rank the following cultures in order of superiority:

United States
France
Canada
Bolivia
Australia
Israel
Palestine
Jordan
Japan
Russia

doesn't work that way. I'd say US culture is superior to Palestinian culture but trailing Canadian and Australian culture though in large part they are quite similar. I am not aware of a mathematical system that ranks cultures.

You had a whole list of things that defined your notions of cultural superiority previously. I would have thought that someone who is as devoted to the notion of cultural superiority as you are would have thought through these kinds of comparisons in the past.

Do you agree with Romney that US culture is superior to Mexican culture?


Why are you making this hard? Your culture score is a function of wonders you've built, and the overall cultural output of each of your cities, along with any bonuses from great persons.

Seriously. It's not difficult.
 
2012-07-30 08:33:13 PM  

404 page not found: Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: But let's take you art your world, and believe that you are comparing cultures in some meaningful way. Since you think the US culture is superior to Mexican culture, do you believe that you should be spreading American culture and displacing Mexican culture? Should Mexican culture be limited or eliminated in the US?

I don't think the negative aspects of Mexican culture are ingrained in US culture in any meaningful way so no. We practice (or at least support) cultural imperialism all the time. Who doesn't want to see every resident of every country treated as an equal human being worthy of respect and dignity? We aren't perfect in this regard but we are far better than many places in the world - who wouldn't want to see these western cultural values as such they are exported to a place like Rwanda?

And of course you'd fully support Canadian and Australian cultural imperialism missions in the US to fix our inferior culture once we stamp out the inferior Mexican culture.

Which culture so you think should ultimately be supreme?

MINE. Obviously.


I think life would be better all around if we were all governed by the HTTP response codes.

Me: HTTP/1.1 GET
Her: 403 FORBIDDEN
 
2012-07-30 08:37:54 PM  

Mearen: Libtards


Well that just invalidated your argument.

Whatever it was.
 
2012-07-30 08:39:51 PM  

intelligent comment below: Dr Dreidel: NINDroog: Doesn't Israel have one of the highest rates of income inequality for a developed country? That sounds like Romney's paradise.

Also, didn't they just have a whole bunch of riots over said inequality?

Citation needed. Taxes are very high there, and social services are pretty robust, so I'm guessing it's hard out there for a non-socialist.

They have riots over inequality, but that's more about the ultra-religious being set on being the absolute biggest douchecanoes they can. It's inequality of the Rosa Parks sort (access and equal protection), not of the Medieval Feudalist sort (income inequality).


You're asking for a citation? Were you asleep last summer for the camping out in Tel Aviv because of income inequality?


He also missed this:

Link

IMHO, I think the dick waving contest between Israel and Iran is just an attempt to distract people from issues like these.
 
2012-07-30 08:43:32 PM  

Vodka Zombie: I really do think that Mitt Romney is retarded.


I'm with whoever it was a few days ago that said he's competing (and probably leading) for the Upper Class Twit of the Year
 
2012-07-30 08:45:11 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Vodka Zombie: I really do think that Mitt Romney is retarded.

I'm with whoever it was a few days ago that said he's competing (and probably leading) for the Upper Class Twit of the Year


Yeah but he's an Upper Class Twit with Money™ so he calls a lot more shots than us peons. Plebes. Clockwatchers.
 
2012-07-30 08:45:25 PM  

Mrtraveler01: He also missed this:

Link

IMHO, I think the dick waving contest between Israel and Iran is just an attempt to distract people from issues like these.



Disagree, it's the dick waving of Iran that is scaring Saudi Arabia, who begs Israel and America to keep them in check. Also it happens to be during a time when military budgets all over the world are under threat of being lowered
 
2012-07-30 08:49:28 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Link

IMHO, I think the dick waving contest between Israel and Iran is just an attempt to distract people from issues like these.


Being an activist in Israel has to really suck. This country's right-wing enough.
 
2012-07-30 08:52:12 PM  
qorkfiend:
I think life would be better all around if we were all governed by the HTTP response codes.

Me: HTTP/1.1 GET
Her: 403 FORBIDDEN

fc08.deviantart.net
 
2012-07-30 08:54:27 PM  
he's right of course
 
2012-07-30 08:55:05 PM  
But still, that's not something you say out loud
 
2012-07-30 08:58:09 PM  

BigJake: he's right of course


Pretty sure we just spent the entire thread demonstrating why he is not only wrong, but a boorish f*ck about it to boot.

Where have you been?
 
2012-07-30 09:10:32 PM  

whidbey: Pretty sure we just spent the entire thread demonstrating why he is not only wrong


nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnope
 
2012-07-30 09:12:46 PM  

skullkrusher: verbaltoxin: Why doesn't it surprise me that the pampered son born on third base, raised in a faith that proclaims to be the True Church of Jesus Christ Reestablished on Earth, thinks some cultures are superior to others?

some cultures are superior to others. Not sure how that translates to relative economic success but a culture which stones women to death for having an affair is inferior to one which does not. A culture which exalts superstition over science is inferior to one governed by reason and logic.
A culture which destroys the artifacts of the past is inferior to one which preserves them. A culture which revels in narrowmindedness and provincialism is inferior to one which regards the world openly and inquisitively. A culture which promotes war over peace? Inferior. Get the idea?


All right, which one of you magnificent bastards convinced s-k to install VNC?
 
2012-07-30 09:14:31 PM  

BigJake: whidbey: Pretty sure we just spent the entire thread demonstrating why he is not only wrong

nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnope


Well I guess you didn't read the thread, then.
 
2012-07-30 09:16:15 PM  

whidbey: Well I guess you didn't read the thread, then.


wrong again

a habit you're exceedingly good at
 
2012-07-30 09:16:24 PM  

coco ebert: FlashHarry: i used to think mitt was smart and that i just disliked him for his unctuous pandering.

now i'm realizing that he's an upper-midwest dubya - a harvard-educated, multimillionaire moron who was born on third base and thought he hit a triple.

I've been saying this for a while- dude is dumb.


Yes, you have. And you have been correct.

/Grants?
 
2012-07-30 09:18:43 PM  

BigJake: whidbey: Well I guess you didn't read the thread, then.

wrong again

a habit you're exceedingly good at


Actually, Romney made a very flippant bigoted statement that makes more than a few assumptions about both the Israelis and the Palestinians. This has been more than covered here.

Why do you agree with it?
 
2012-07-30 09:20:18 PM  
Welcome to Poland.

sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net

sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-07-30 09:26:57 PM  
Still awaiting a response, BigJake.
 
2012-07-30 09:30:20 PM  

whidbey: Why do you agree with it?


I'm not going to get in another ten page wankfest with you while you repost everything you've already posted hth

to quote you, it'll be

whidbey: a pedantic denial that none of (that is true), for pages

 
2012-07-30 09:30:42 PM  

dr_blasto: I thought it was another anti-Semitic Jew joke about their banking proclivities.


Stereotypes exist for a reason. There's usually a grain of truth behind them

Which is why "Israelis are real douchebags" is such a common stereotype.
 
2012-07-30 09:30:45 PM  

Mrtraveler01: "spmkk: Mrtraveler01: spmkk: Yes, because as the Syrians, Jordanians, Egyptians and Lebanese have all shown us, Arab populations in the Middle East who aren't occupied by Israel do great for themselves, so the only logical conclusion is that the occupation is the main factor in the disparity in GDP.

How do you explain the UAE and Qatar?

Durrrr....


Are you trying to be funny? UAE and Qatar are sitting on goldmines -- they have the 5th- and 7th-largest richest oil reserves in the world, respectively, as well as small populations and comparatively tiny areas. It's hard to have a low GDP under circumstances like that no matter what your culture.

So you agree that it's not a cultural thing then?

Good to know."



I'm trying to figure out whether your problem is with reading comprehension or critical reasoning, or if you're actually trying to back me into a corner with a totally senseless strawman...

In certain exceptionally fortunate circumstances, culture is a less determinant influence on prosperity because the prosperity is already taken care of and doesn't need to be achieved. Both UAE and Qatar are textbook examples of such exceptions.

The places I brought up that are culturally and territorially similar to the Palestinian territories -- Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon -- are not. And the reason they are less prosperous than their culturally different neighbor has nothing to do with any kind of occupation....which should inform you that Palestinians' insistence on blaming their economic failures on someone else rather than on their cultural choice of what to do with the resources they have is a cop-out, and the world's acceptance of that self-victimization is naive.
 
2012-07-30 09:32:08 PM  

whidbey: Still awaiting a response, BigJake.


idgaf i.imgur.com, my posting is not yours to command
 
2012-07-30 09:32:24 PM  

sendtodave: Which is why "Israelis are real douchebags" is such a common stereotype.



That's ironic, considering Israelis feel that way about Russian Jews who immigrate
 
2012-07-30 09:33:25 PM  

BigJake: whidbey: Still awaiting a response, BigJake.

idgaf [i.imgur.com image 483x195], my posting is not yours to command


28.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-07-30 09:33:51 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: And of course you'd fully support Canadian and Australian cultural imperialism missions in the US to fix our inferior culture once we stamp out the inferior Mexican culture.


you should stop talking about stamping out inferior cultures. People might start to think poorly of you
 
2012-07-30 09:35:18 PM  

BigJake: whidbey: Why do you agree with it?

I'm not going to get in another ten page wankfest with you while you repost everything you've already posted hth

to quote you, it'll be

whidbey: a pedantic denial that none of (that is true), for pages


That doesn't even make sense.

But really, if you can't back up your point, I suggest you drop it altogether.
 
2012-07-30 09:36:39 PM  

BigJake: whidbey: Still awaiting a response, BigJake.

idgaf [i.imgur.com image 483x195], my posting is not yours to command


And this is flat-out uncalled for.
 
2012-07-30 09:38:04 PM  

skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: And of course you'd fully support Canadian and Australian cultural imperialism missions in the US to fix our inferior culture once we stamp out the inferior Mexican culture.

you should stop talking about stamping out inferior cultures. People might start to think poorly of you


That was a supposition, not an assertion.

Reading is hard. :-/
 
2012-07-30 09:38:32 PM  

BigJake: whidbey: Still awaiting a response, BigJake.

idgaf [i.imgur.com image 483x195], my posting is not yours to command


i715.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-30 09:39:44 PM  
Still waiting for you to elaborate on why you believe Romney "is right" or concede the point, BigJake.
 
2012-07-30 09:41:01 PM  

404 page not found: Reading is hard. :-/


so is trolling. Work on it. You're not funny or interesting yet
 
2012-07-30 09:43:21 PM  

skullkrusher: 404 page not found: Reading is hard. :-/

so is trolling. Work on it. You're not funny or interesting yet


Well, if you're the paragon of conservative wit, that's not all that surprising.
 
2012-07-30 09:44:04 PM  

skullkrusher: Work on it.


p.s. your concern is noted.
 
2012-07-30 09:44:54 PM  
Skullkrusher is the Nelson of Fark. Try not to take it too personally.
 
2012-07-30 09:47:54 PM  

404 page not found: skullkrusher: 404 page not found: Reading is hard. :-/

so is trolling. Work on it. You're not funny or interesting yet

Well, if you're the paragon of conservative wit, that's not all that surprising.


what's not all that surprising? My paragon status has nothing to do with whether you're funny,. You're not and that's regardless of what I do.
Try harder though, snowflake. Keep those chins up.
 
2012-07-30 09:48:58 PM  

whidbey: Skullkrusher is the Nelson rake-stepping Sideshow Bob of Fark. Try not to take it too personally.

 
2012-07-30 09:50:55 PM  
Adee do...
 
2012-07-30 09:52:02 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: whidbey: Skullkrusher is the Nelson rake-stepping Sideshow Bob of Fark. Try not to take it too personally.


always nice to hear from our resident adult Socialist. How are things at the home for farkwits these days, my man? You guys still OCCUPYING the rec room?
 
2012-07-30 09:53:34 PM  

skullkrusher: 404 page not found: skullkrusher: 404 page not found: Reading is hard. :-/

so is trolling. Work on it. You're not funny or interesting yet

Well, if you're the paragon of conservative wit, that's not all that surprising.

what's not all that surprising? My paragon status has nothing to do with whether you're funny,. You're not and that's regardless of what I do.
Try harder though, snowflake. Keep those chins up.


Awww, you're so cute when you get sensitive.
 
2012-07-30 09:54:47 PM  

404 page not found: skullkrusher: 404 page not found: skullkrusher: 404 page not found: Reading is hard. :-/

so is trolling. Work on it. You're not funny or interesting yet

Well, if you're the paragon of conservative wit, that's not all that surprising.

what's not all that surprising? My paragon status has nothing to do with whether you're funny,. You're not and that's regardless of what I do.
Try harder though, snowflake. Keep those chins up.

Awww, you're so cute when you get sensitive.


You really shouldn't have such thin skin if you want to troll. People might say mean stuff to you. Especially if you are as dull as you are.
 
2012-07-30 09:55:34 PM  
Israel can keep him.
 
2012-07-30 09:55:59 PM  
Well this thread has...gone to Hell.
 
2012-07-30 09:59:51 PM  

skullkrusher: 404 page not found: skullkrusher: 404 page not found: skullkrusher: 404 page not found: Reading is hard. :-/

so is trolling. Work on it. You're not funny or interesting yet

Well, if you're the paragon of conservative wit, that's not all that surprising.

what's not all that surprising? My paragon status has nothing to do with whether you're funny,. You're not and that's regardless of what I do.
Try harder though, snowflake. Keep those chins up.

Awww, you're so cute when you get sensitive.

You really shouldn't have such thin skin if you want to troll. People might say mean stuff to you. Especially if you are as dull as you are.


It's funny that you consider me a troll and yet here you are responding to me. Whatever it takes to keep you from responding to others on this thread I suppose, right?
 
2012-07-30 10:00:48 PM  

404 page not found: skullkrusher: 404 page not found: skullkrusher: 404 page not found: Reading is hard. :-/

so is trolling. Work on it. You're not funny or interesting yet

Well, if you're the paragon of conservative wit, that's not all that surprising.

what's not all that surprising? My paragon status has nothing to do with whether you're funny,. You're not and that's regardless of what I do.
Try harder though, snowflake. Keep those chins up.

Awww, you're so cute when you get sensitive.


Have pity on him. He was raised in an inferior culture. The Canadians will enlighten him.
 
2012-07-30 10:00:49 PM  

404 page not found: skullkrusher: 404 page not found: skullkrusher: 404 page not found: skullkrusher: 404 page not found: Reading is hard. :-/

so is trolling. Work on it. You're not funny or interesting yet

Well, if you're the paragon of conservative wit, that's not all that surprising.

what's not all that surprising? My paragon status has nothing to do with whether you're funny,. You're not and that's regardless of what I do.
Try harder though, snowflake. Keep those chins up.

Awww, you're so cute when you get sensitive.

You really shouldn't have such thin skin if you want to troll. People might say mean stuff to you. Especially if you are as dull as you are.

It's funny that you consider me a troll and yet here you are responding to me. Whatever it takes to keep you from responding to others on this thread I suppose, right? stop picking on me skullkrusher!


pussy
 
2012-07-30 10:02:11 PM  

skullkrusher: 404 page not found: skullkrusher: 404 page not found: skullkrusher: 404 page not found: skullkrusher: 404 page not found: Reading is hard. :-/

so is trolling. Work on it. You're not funny or interesting yet

Well, if you're the paragon of conservative wit, that's not all that surprising.

what's not all that surprising? My paragon status has nothing to do with whether you're funny,. You're not and that's regardless of what I do.
Try harder though, snowflake. Keep those chins up.

Awww, you're so cute when you get sensitive.

You really shouldn't have such thin skin if you want to troll. People might say mean stuff to you. Especially if you are as dull as you are.

It's funny that you consider me a troll and yet here you are responding to me. Whatever it takes to keep you from responding to others on this thread I suppose, right? !

skullkrusher is a pussy!


Jeezus, who's boring?
 
2012-07-30 10:03:21 PM  
Also, you can really tell when the wheels are spinning when the insults start flying. It's amazingly consistent.
 
2012-07-30 10:03:49 PM  
That's the way to antagonize people, skullkrusher. Why you wasting your time with those other lame alts of yours? :)
 
2012-07-30 10:05:29 PM  

LargeCanine: Romney is right.

Some people can't handle the truth.



I have a friend who was married to a middle-class Palestinian from Israel, and she agrees completely with this. There are two types of Palestinians: The middle-class ones who have done their best to share Israeli values. They're successful. And then there's the white-trash version of Palestinians who live in the West Bank, won't let their women work or their girls gain an education, and then wonder why their economy is in the crapper.
 
2012-07-30 10:06:57 PM  

Farker Soze: That's the way to antagonize people, skullkrusher. Why you wasting your time with those other lame alts of yours? :)


I break out whidbey when I want to get my wishy-washy, approval seeking non-committal PacNW stoner persona going. Once in a while I'll roll with Phil Francis Q when I want to see how much I can lie before someone calls me out. Other times I play with Farker Soze to ask myself stupid questions ;)
 
2012-07-30 10:07:46 PM  

404 page not found: Jeezus, who's boring?


still you. It's gonna take more than 5 minutes of practice, lil buddy.
 
2012-07-30 10:07:55 PM  

whidbey: Still waiting for you to elaborate on why you believe Romney "is right" or concede the point, BigJake.


lmao you're cute when you're pompous
 
2012-07-30 10:08:14 PM  

Catsaregreen: LargeCanine: Romney is right.

Some people can't handle the truth.


I have a friend who was married to a middle-class Palestinian from Israel, and she agrees completely with this. There are two types of Palestinians: The middle-class ones who have done their best to share Israeli values. They're successful. And then there's the white-trash version of Palestinians who live in the West Bank, won't let their women work or their girls gain an education, and then wonder why their economy is in the crapper.


(Not so) Oddly reminiscent of what is said about African-American culture here.
 
2012-07-30 10:08:44 PM  
So can we stop sending them money now?
 
2012-07-30 10:08:44 PM  

whidbey: And this is flat-out uncalled for.


What? Letting you know that I owe you no posts? Cry more
 
2012-07-30 10:09:59 PM  

BigJake: whidbey: And this is flat-out uncalled for.

What? Letting you know that I owe you no posts? Cry more


Well, if you can't back up your point, I can understand why you'd feel that way.

Trolling me over it isn't acceptable, though.
 
2012-07-30 10:11:28 PM  

BigJake: whidbey: Still waiting for you to elaborate on why you believe Romney "is right" or concede the point, BigJake.

lmao you're cute when you're pompous


And this is also uncalled for. Just letting you know.

I've asked you enough times to clarify your position, and if you can't, concede the point.
 
2012-07-30 10:13:10 PM  

whidbey: Well, if you can't back up your point, I can understand why you'd feel that way.

Trolling me over it isn't acceptable, though.


1. you have a really curious definition of trolling,
2. you do not define what is acceptable at any rate,
3. I have nothing to add to the hundreds of posts in front of me aside from another voice saying "he's right." I cannot recall the last thread over two hundred posts where an original thought was expressed past about the 150th post or so.

You do not define what is acceptable, who owes you posts, or the ground over which a debate is had. You are not a moderator, so quit trying to backseat drive.
 
2012-07-30 10:14:56 PM  

skullkrusher: Farker Soze: That's the way to antagonize people, skullkrusher. Why you wasting your time with those other lame alts of yours? :)

I break out whidbey when I want to get my wishy-washy, approval seeking non-committal PacNW stoner persona going. Once in a while I'll roll with Phil Francis Q when I want to see how much I can lie before someone calls me out. Other times I play with Farker Soze to ask myself stupid questions ;)


So I'm a personality construct that exists in another person's mind? To be honest that would explain a lot.
 
2012-07-30 10:15:55 PM  

Farker Soze: skullkrusher: Farker Soze: That's the way to antagonize people, skullkrusher. Why you wasting your time with those other lame alts of yours? :)

I break out whidbey when I want to get my wishy-washy, approval seeking non-committal PacNW stoner persona going. Once in a while I'll roll with Phil Francis Q when I want to see how much I can lie before someone calls me out. Other times I play with Farker Soze to ask myself stupid questions ;)

So I'm a personality construct that exists in another person's mind? To be honest that would explain a lot.


you just, like, blew our mind, dude.
Go get us a beer.
 
2012-07-30 10:20:44 PM  

skullkrusher: Farker Soze: That's the way to antagonize people, skullkrusher. Why you wasting your time with those other lame alts of yours? :)

I break out whidbey when I want to get my wishy-washy, approval seeking non-committal PacNW stoner persona going. ;)


You certainly have a bizarre impression of my posting style, dude. Gotta say. ;~p
 
2012-07-30 10:47:58 PM  
I thought Rmoney was a pompous amoral bloviating douchebag who only cared about fattening the wallets of himself and his 1% friends, but now I realize he is also a retard.
 
2012-07-30 10:51:11 PM  

skullkrusher: 404 page not found: Jeezus, who's boring?

still you. It's gonna take more than 5 minutes of practice, lil buddy.


lol no you are!
 
2012-07-30 10:52:56 PM  
www.doublespeakshow.com

i31.photobucket.com
 
Ehh
2012-07-30 11:24:40 PM  
teto85: I thought Rmoney was a pompous amoral bloviating douchebag who only cared about fattening the wallets of himself and his 1% friends, but now I realize he is also a retard.

THIS.

Also: WTF Republican Party?
 
2012-07-30 11:46:39 PM  
Skullcrusher hates being wrong and will do anything not to admit it. And he's never been funny.
 
2012-07-30 11:53:19 PM  

Catsaregreen: LargeCanine: Romney is right.

Some people can't handle the truth.


I have a friend who was married to a middle-class Palestinian from Israel, and she agrees completely with this. There are two types of Palestinians: The middle-class ones who have done their best to share Israeli values. They're successful. And then there's the white-trash version of Palestinians who live in the West Bank, won't let their women work or their girls gain an education, and then wonder why their economy is in the crapper.


So what your friend is suggesting is that every poor palestinian in the west bank or gaza moves to Israel, where they will be given acceptance, citizenship and a fair crack at making a middle class life for themselves? That israel will allow this, and your friends relatives will be delighted to see their compatriots join in the rich pickings just waiting for them to start pulling their bootstraps?
 
2012-07-31 12:02:07 AM  

gaspode: Catsaregreen: LargeCanine: Romney is right.

Some people can't handle the truth.


I have a friend who was married to a middle-class Palestinian from Israel, and she agrees completely with this. There are two types of Palestinians: The middle-class ones who have done their best to share Israeli values. They're successful. And then there's the white-trash version of Palestinians who live in the West Bank, won't let their women work or their girls gain an education, and then wonder why their economy is in the crapper.

So what your friend is suggesting is that every poor palestinian in the west bank or gaza moves to Israel, where they will be given acceptance, citizenship and a fair crack at making a middle class life for themselves? That israel will allow this, and your friends relatives will be delighted to see their compatriots join in the rich pickings just waiting for them to start pulling their bootstraps?



Palestinians face far worse discrimination in neighboring countries. They can't even hold a job in Lebanon.
 
2012-07-31 12:03:17 AM  
He's right. If it wasn't for oil all Muslims would be eating dirt. Most still do anyway.
 
2012-07-31 12:05:16 AM  

DempseySR26: He's right. If it wasn't for oil all Muslims would be eating dirt. Most still do anyway.


And you will always be white trash.
 
2012-07-31 12:19:45 AM  
Is this the thread where we either suck Israel's political dick, or get called anti-semites?
 
2012-07-31 12:29:35 AM  

DempseySR26: He's right. If it wasn't for oil all Muslims would be eating dirt. Most still do anyway.



That explains Texas too
 
2012-07-31 12:50:32 AM  
When a culture is better than another it just means which one you'd prefer to live in. Telling some of the world's wealthiest Jews that Israel is richer than the Palestinians because it has a better culture is buttering them up. It also comes off to the rest of us as serious Mr. Burns material. Are people really that loyal to party over all to keep current national polls even?
 
2012-07-31 12:52:41 AM  

intelligent comment below:


Palestinians face far worse discrimination in neighboring countries. They can't even hold a job in Lebanon.


And? Try to remember the subject here, which is Mittens, and your, claim that the palestinians have no reason at all to have a lower GDP per capita than Israel, other than their cultural inferiority.
 
2012-07-31 01:13:52 AM  

gaspode: and your



Say what?
 
2012-07-31 01:15:43 AM  
Let's see. Only Anglo-Saxons are real Americans.1 Jews are good with money.2 Obama is a foreigner because he grew up overseas in places like Hawaii.3

1. Overzealous Romney staffer
2. Romneybot
3. Romney drone John Sununu


It looks like Obama has to do is say nothing while Romney self-destructs.
 
2012-07-31 01:17:13 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Please let him go to China, please let him go to China, please let him go to China...


I doubt the Chinese have time for him.
 
2012-07-31 01:21:22 AM  
Last time I checked, Israel was a nation state. And Palestine was farked by Jordan, Syria and Egypt. Palestine GDP is probably less than those three countries too.

/Lets give Syria to Palestinians but I suspect the Muslims would have an issue with this.
 
2012-07-31 01:28:35 AM  

Chimperror2: Last time I checked, Israel was a nation state. And Palestine was farked by Jordan, Syria and Egypt. Palestine GDP is probably less than those three countries too.

/Lets give Syria to Palestinians but I suspect the Muslims would have an issue with this.


The problem is, like anyone kicked out of their house by a deadbeat distant relative who disappeared for a number of years, they kind of want their own house back. They don't want someone else's house.
 
2012-07-31 01:43:40 AM  
Congratulations, GOP. You found a nominee that is even worse than Bush.

The President is THE face of foreign relations. And this retard...

I have no words.
 
2012-07-31 01:46:18 AM  

Chimperror2: Last time I checked, Israel was a nation state. And Palestine was farked by Jordan, Syria and Egypt. Palestine GDP is probably less than those three countries too.

/Lets give Syria to Palestinians but I suspect the Muslims would have an issue with this.


Geographically, Gaza could go to Egypt and the West Bank to Jordan, but the Palestinians don't want that. They want a country of Palestine. The only question for them is how to get it. The Palestinian Authority has signed on to the Oslo accords while Hamas prefers terrorism.
 
2012-07-31 02:00:26 AM  

nekulor: The problem is, like anyone kicked out of their house by a deadbeat distant relative who disappeared for a number of years, they kind of want their own house back. They don't want someone else's house.



Tell me how many really had houses in current day Israel?

Their wonderful leader Arafat was himself actually born in Cairo


Bucky Katt: but the Palestinians don't want that. They want a country of Palestine.



They don't really have a choice. No country nearby wants to take them in and in fact has kicked many out, raising the number of refugees that Israel has to deal with.
 
2012-07-31 02:01:03 AM  

starsrift: Congratulations, GOP. You found a nominee that is even worse than Bush.

The President is THE face of foreign relations. And this retard...

I have no words.


This could be a good thing. For neocons.
 
2012-07-31 02:36:33 AM  
The British press put it best

Romney's charm offensive is devoid of charm and mildly offensive
 
2012-07-31 02:43:50 AM  
And this is the man Republicans want running the United States. A man who has less tact and care than Godzilla in downtown Tokyo, and who is likely going to cause far more damage if he doesn't learn to stop being stupid.

But hey, I guess it's worth it if it gets that horrible black secret Muslim foreigner out of the White House, right? No price is too high to pay if it means one-upping those evil libs.
 
2012-07-31 03:16:59 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: And this is the man Republicans want running the United States. A man who has less tact and care than Godzilla in downtown Tokyo, and who is likely going to cause far more damage if he doesn't learn to stop being stupid.

But hey, I guess it's worth it if it gets that horrible black secret Muslim foreigner out of the White House, right? No price is too high to pay if it means one-upping those evil libs.



It got Bush Jr elected. Do you think they believe it wont work again?
 
2012-07-31 03:17:31 AM  

whidbey: This could be a good thing. For neocons.


Pity that their "starve the beast" philosophy only works on social spending, not military.
 
2012-07-31 04:03:31 AM  

intelligent comment below: Keizer_Ghidorah: And this is the man Republicans want running the United States. A man who has less tact and care than Godzilla in downtown Tokyo, and who is likely going to cause far more damage if he doesn't learn to stop being stupid.

But hey, I guess it's worth it if it gets that horrible black secret Muslim foreigner out of the White House, right? No price is too high to pay if it means one-upping those evil libs.

It got Bush Jr elected. Do you think they believe it wont work again?


Honestly, sometimes it's hard to not wonder if their plan is to just completely implode America in a "If we can't have it, NO ONE CAN!" blaze of glory. Looking at their policies, it's clear they don't give a shiat about the majority of the citizens, foreign policy, or anything except domination and control. All of their candidates for this election, most of them have bailed or tripped, and Romney's the best they have. It would be quite amusing if it wasn't terrifying.
 
2012-07-31 04:52:29 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: intelligent comment below: Keizer_Ghidorah: And this is the man Republicans want running the United States. A man who has less tact and care than Godzilla in downtown Tokyo, and who is likely going to cause far more damage if he doesn't learn to stop being stupid.

But hey, I guess it's worth it if it gets that horrible black secret Muslim foreigner out of the White House, right? No price is too high to pay if it means one-upping those evil libs.

It got Bush Jr elected. Do you think they believe it wont work again?

Honestly, sometimes it's hard to not wonder if their plan is to just completely implode America in a "If we can't have it, NO ONE CAN!" blaze of glory. Looking at their policies, it's clear they don't give a shiat about the majority of the citizens, foreign policy, or anything except domination and control. All of their candidates for this election, most of them have bailed or tripped, and Romney's the best they have. It would be quite amusing if it wasn't terrifying.



That's their plan. Destroy everyone elses wealth and laugh all the way to the bank when the plebs come begging to borrow money. Bankrupt the country and give corporations and the rich the ultimate power again, just like the Gilded Age. The damn internet age is making their lies much easier to spot though, so they have to keep hiding it all in pseudo religious rhetoric.
 
2012-07-31 07:12:00 AM  

RoyBatty:
Obama's auto search isn't any better


Dunno, I got for "Obama is ": osama, a cactus, muslim, dead, gay, and even "a good president because". That's not as bad as:

i6.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-31 07:47:15 AM  
A culture that supports the death penalty for blasphemy is inferior to one that doesn't.

Pretty farking pathetic how many peopel on fark have a problem with that.

Chimperror2: Last time I checked, Israel was a nation state. And Palestine was farked by Jordan, Syria and Egypt. Palestine GDP is probably less than those three countries too.


It is now (I think) but it was ggrowing faster than any of them prior tot he 2nd infatada. Even up to 05 they were doing better than most their arab neighhbors. They benefited a lot from trade with Israel, but Israel had to end that due to suicide bombings, gunmen, etc.
 
2012-07-31 08:18:17 AM  

nekulor: Chimperror2: Last time I checked, Israel was a nation state. And Palestine was farked by Jordan, Syria and Egypt. Palestine GDP is probably less than those three countries too.

/Lets give Syria to Palestinians but I suspect the Muslims would have an issue with this.

The problem is, like anyone kicked out of their house by a deadbeat distant relative who disappeared for a number of years, they kind of want their own house back. They don't want someone else's house.


Jordan is not letting them back in.
 
2012-07-31 08:20:24 AM  

Bucky Katt: Chimperror2: Last time I checked, Israel was a nation state. And Palestine was farked by Jordan, Syria and Egypt. Palestine GDP is probably less than those three countries too.

/Lets give Syria to Palestinians but I suspect the Muslims would have an issue with this.

Geographically, Gaza could go to Egypt and the West Bank to Jordan, but the Palestinians don't want that. They want a country of Palestine. The only question for them is how to get it. The Palestinian Authority has signed on to the Oslo accords while Hamas prefers terrorism.


Geographically, they used to be Egypt and Jordan and the terrorism was directed against Egypt and Jordan.
 
2012-07-31 08:24:27 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Repost from the other Romney in Israel thread:

His other stupid for the trip:

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney angered Palestinian leaders on Monday when he suggested here that the Israeli economy had outpaced the economy of the Palestinian territories in part because of advantages of "culture."

....

Romney said he had studied a book called "The Wealth and Poverty of Nations," searching for an answer about why two neighboring places--the U.S. and Mexico, for instance, or Israel and the Palestinian areas--could have such disparate prosperity.

"Culture makes all the difference. Culture makes all the difference," Romney said, repeating the conclusion he drew from that book, by David Landes.

The book he read- I've not read it. It highlights these points, apparently:

The 'cultural thesis' or 'Protestant work ethic' of Max Weber
The 'hydraulic thesis' or 'Oriental Despotism thesis' of Karl A. Wittfogel
The 'climate thesis' that posits that tropical climes are, ceteris paribus, poor candidates for development.
Many of the theories of Adam Smith, whose Wealth of Nations is borrowed from for the title. But this does not necessarily mean a doctrinaire neoclassicism, as Landes notes that 'comparative advantage' can change over time, and also that developed countries, contrary to neoclassical theory, typically developed in an environment of protectionism against foreign trade.

Just to toss in: Critics have charged Landes with Eurocentrism in his analysis, a charge which Landes himself does not deny-in fact, he embraces it explicitly, arguing that an explanation for an economic miracle that happened originally only in Europe (though he deals with the later 'Asian miracle' in Wealth and Poverty) must of necessity be a Eurocentric analysis

Link

I've read Why The West Rules - For Now, and it makes much more sense:

His 2010 book, Why the West Rules--For Now, compares East and West across the last 15,000 years, arguing that physical geography rather than cultu ...

Guns, Germs, and Steel

is another one that makes more or less the same point, but did it more than a decade ago and with positively exhaustive research.
 
2012-07-31 08:29:04 AM  

liam76: A culture that supports the death penalty for blasphemy is inferior to one that doesn't.

Pretty farking pathetic how many peopel on fark have a problem with that.


How does that compare to a culture which gives the mentally retarded the death penalty?
 
2012-07-31 08:52:05 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: A culture that supports the death penalty for blasphemy is inferior to one that doesn't.

Pretty farking pathetic how many peopel on fark have a problem with that.


How does that compare to a culture which gives the mentally retarded the death penalty?


Well that is illegal in the US since 2002 and has been illegal in most states for many years before that, however I am aware of no law making it illegal in Palestine, and they have been known to use mentally handicapped people to set off suicide bombs.

So I am not sure how this helps your view of their culture but I am sure you will walk away thinking they are still equal.
 
2012-07-31 08:53:21 AM  

hillbillypharmacist: vernonFL: Romney the the NAACP: African Americans excel at sports because back in slavery times, they used to breed them to be strong.

I don't want to reveal myself as an ignorant racist or anything, but is that actually true? It makes sense, but I've never heard anyone talk about it in an objective sort of way.


No it isn't true. There was no "breeding" of slaves in that way, and most slave-owners across most of the slave-owning period left issues of marriage and sex to their slaves, with the caveats that they be thanked for being so magnanimous as to allow a marriage, and that they can do whatever they want to either spouse, sexual or otherwise, at any moment. A similar disinterest in the personal lives of the people they held in bondage touched on their every act in regard to them; the breaking up of families through sale was more often than not the result of simple callousness and ignorance on the part of the slave-owner, not willful cruelty(though if you ask me that makes it even worse). If there is any superior physicality in African Americans, and I doubt very much that there is, it would probably be more a result of the weaker individuals among those enslaved dying during the crossing of the Atlantic, or under the harsh conditions of slave labor. The latter, by the way, is why the African slave trade started in the first place; so many Native Americans died under the conditions of their enslavement in the Caribbean and mainland America that the Spanish and Portuguese started looking for a new source of slaves and hit upon Africa. Of course, the slave-trade was at its biggest and most terrible when the English were running it, so don't let the fact that the Spanish and Portuguese started it lead you to absolve our forebears of their responsibility for that wicked business.

Having said all that, near the end of the Slave-holding era, after the importation of new slaves had been banned and the US navy had begun actual patrols to enforce that law, some owners did try to increase their income by "supplying" the slave market, but nothing I've ever read has led me to believe that ever reached an "industrial" scale, or that anyone ever had any great success attempting it. I could simply have never read the right books, of course, so if anyone's ever read any material that deals with this subject specifically, a response would be appreciated.
 
2012-07-31 08:55:34 AM  

nigeman: The British press put it best

Romney's charm offensive is devoid of charm and mildly offensive


I liked the Sun's "Mitt the Twit" as well. You can always count on the English tabloid press for succinct putdowns.
 
2012-07-31 09:00:24 AM  

intelligent comment below: gaspode: Catsaregreen: LargeCanine: Romney is right.

Some people can't handle the truth.


I have a friend who was married to a middle-class Palestinian from Israel, and she agrees completely with this. There are two types of Palestinians: The middle-class ones who have done their best to share Israeli values. They're successful. And then there's the white-trash version of Palestinians who live in the West Bank, won't let their women work or their girls gain an education, and then wonder why their economy is in the crapper.

So what your friend is suggesting is that every poor palestinian in the west bank or gaza moves to Israel, where they will be given acceptance, citizenship and a fair crack at making a middle class life for themselves? That israel will allow this, and your friends relatives will be delighted to see their compatriots join in the rich pickings just waiting for them to start pulling their bootstraps?


Palestinians face far worse discrimination in neighboring countries. They can't even hold a job in Lebanon.


They can't even drive on most roads in Israel, so I don't see how that's worse. Then there's the whole "bulldozing their trees to make room for settler apartment buildings" that the Israelis do, and denying them access to water, and kicking them out of homes in East Jerusalem at gun point that their family has held for generation so the State can give those homes to the Hasidim. Don't even get me started on the disgrace that is Israeli family law.
 
2012-07-31 09:10:47 AM  

liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: A culture that supports the death penalty for blasphemy is inferior to one that doesn't.

Pretty farking pathetic how many peopel on fark have a problem with that.


How does that compare to a culture which gives the mentally retarded the death penalty?

Well that is illegal in the US since 2002 and has been illegal in most states for many years before that, however I am aware of no law making it illegal in Palestine, and they have been known to use mentally handicapped people to set off suicide bombs.

So I am not sure how this helps your view of their culture but I am sure you will walk away thinking they are still equal.


Oh, we are talking about the Palestinians? I didn't get that impression since you talked about a culture which executes people for blasphemy. Palestinian law allows no such thing.
 
2012-07-31 09:24:30 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: A culture that supports the death penalty for blasphemy is inferior to one that doesn't.

Pretty farking pathetic how many people on fark have a problem with that.


How does that compare to a culture which gives the mentally retarded the death penalty?

Well that is illegal in the US since 2002 and has been illegal in most states for many years before that, however I am aware of no law making it illegal in Palestine, and they have been known to use mentally handicapped people to set off suicide bombs.

So I am not sure how this helps your view of their culture but I am sure you will walk away thinking they are still equal.

Oh, we are talking about the Palestinians? I didn't get that impression since you talked about a culture which executes people for blasphemy. Palestinian law allows no such thing


Palesternian law allows it, or else why would it be legal in Gaza for enemies of Islam to be crucified?

And the conversation was for "support". I don't have a poll for Palestine handy but if they are antyhing liekt heir neighbors, then yes they support it. http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-o n-hamas-and-hezbollah/ When asked about the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion, at least three-quarters of Muslims in Jordan (86%), Egypt (84%) and Pakistan (76%) say they would favor making it the law
 
2012-07-31 09:32:17 AM  

liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: A culture that supports the death penalty for blasphemy is inferior to one that doesn't.

Pretty farking pathetic how many people on fark have a problem with that.


How does that compare to a culture which gives the mentally retarded the death penalty?

Well that is illegal in the US since 2002 and has been illegal in most states for many years before that, however I am aware of no law making it illegal in Palestine, and they have been known to use mentally handicapped people to set off suicide bombs.

So I am not sure how this helps your view of their culture but I am sure you will walk away thinking they are still equal.

Oh, we are talking about the Palestinians? I didn't get that impression since you talked about a culture which executes people for blasphemy. Palestinian law allows no such thing

Palesternian law allows it, or else why would it be legal in Gaza for enemies of Islam to be crucified?

And the conversation was for "support". I don't have a poll for Palestine handy but if they are antyhing liekt heir neighbors, then yes they support it. http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-o n-hamas-and-hezbollah/ When asked about the death penalty for those who leave the Muslim religion, at least three-quarters of Muslims in Jordan (86%), Egypt (84%) and Pakistan (76%) say they would favor making it the law



It is amazing how your ignorance and hatred of Muslims and especially Palestinians interact. Palestinian law does not allow it.

If the conversation was about support, not legality, you may want to revisit your response about executing the mentally handicapped.
 
2012-07-31 09:40:47 AM  

liam76: A culture that supports the death penalty for blasphemy is inferior to one that doesn't.

Pretty farking pathetic how many peopel on fark have a problem with that.

Chimperror2: Last time I checked, Israel was a nation state. And Palestine was farked by Jordan, Syria and Egypt. Palestine GDP is probably less than those three countries too.

It is now (I think) but it was ggrowing faster than any of them prior tot he 2nd infatada. Even up to 05 they were doing better than most their arab neighhbors. They benefited a lot from trade with Israel, but Israel had to end that due to suicide bombings, gunmen, etc.


Yeah, those Palestinians should just accept the fact that Israel considers them 2nd class citizens.
 
2012-07-31 09:59:46 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: It is amazing how your ignorance and hatred of Muslims and especially Palestinians interact. Palestinian law does not allow it.


So gaza isn't palestine?

Ok.


Jake Havechek: Yeah, those Palestinians should just accept the fact that Israel considers them 2nd class citizens


You should accept the fact they aren't Israeli citizens, nor do they really want to be.
 
2012-07-31 10:00:59 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: If the conversation was about support, not legality, you may want to revisit your response about executing the mentally handicapped


So what, exactly, are you basing your implication that americans support the execution of the retrated on?
 
2012-07-31 10:05:15 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: ignorance and hatred of Muslims


I am so used to your BS this slipped through the cracks. You denying basics facts presented by reputable polling companies doen't mean I am ignorant or hate muslims, but if it makes you feel better to think that rather than face reality, have fun with that cupcake.
 
2012-07-31 10:07:25 AM  

liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: It is amazing how your ignorance and hatred of Muslims and especially Palestinians interact. Palestinian law does not allow it.

So gaza isn't palestine?

Ok.


Gaza is Palestine. Palestinian law still does not allow execution for Blasphemy.
 
2012-07-31 10:14:33 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: It is amazing how your ignorance and hatred of Muslims and especially Palestinians interact. Palestinian law does not allow it.

So gaza isn't palestine?

Ok.


Gaza is Palestine. Palestinian law still does not allow execution for Blasphemy.


So what would you call crucifiction for being an enemy of Islam?
 
2012-07-31 10:15:29 AM  

CynicalLA: Skullcrusher hates being wrong and will do anything not to admit it. And he's never been funny.


how can I hate something I don't know? That would be ignorant.
 
2012-07-31 10:18:01 AM  

liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: It is amazing how your ignorance and hatred of Muslims and especially Palestinians interact. Palestinian law does not allow it.

So gaza isn't palestine?

Ok.


Gaza is Palestine. Palestinian law still does not allow execution for Blasphemy.

So what would you call crucifiction for being an enemy of Islam?


A myth spread by hate mongers.
 
2012-07-31 10:24:40 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: A myth spread by hate mongers


So Al-Hayat, an arabic paper owned by Saudi's and published in London is a "hate monger" against muslims.

Interesting.
 
2012-07-31 10:35:14 AM  

liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: A myth spread by hate mongers

So Al-Hayat, an arabic paper owned by Saudi's and published in London is a "hate monger" against muslims.

Interesting.


I'm sure you have a citation to this fine publication.
 
2012-07-31 10:50:27 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: What a complete dickhead.


Yep, Romney is a dickhead, it explains so much.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-31 10:51:36 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: A myth spread by hate mongers

So Al-Hayat, an arabic paper owned by Saudi's and published in London is a "hate monger" against muslims.

Interesting.

I'm sure you have a citation to this fine publication.


Well it said soemthing you don't like, so by your definition they "hate muslims", but this will get you started.
 
2012-07-31 10:54:17 AM  

liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: A myth spread by hate mongers

So Al-Hayat, an arabic paper owned by Saudi's and published in London is a "hate monger" against muslims.

Interesting.

I'm sure you have a citation to this fine publication.

Well it said soemthing you don't like, so by your definition they "hate muslims", but this will get you started.


Did anyone else notice that the first thing to pop up in Google for this is a bunch of right-wing blogs and NOT the actual article in question.
 
2012-07-31 10:54:49 AM  

NINDroog: http://rense.com/general94/soc.htm


You may be right, but you might want to reconsider using rense.com as a source for *anything*.
 
2012-07-31 11:03:41 AM  

Mrtraveler01: liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: A myth spread by hate mongers

So Al-Hayat, an arabic paper owned by Saudi's and published in London is a "hate monger" against muslims.

Interesting.

I'm sure you have a citation to this fine publication.

Well it said soemthing you don't like, so by your definition they "hate muslims", but this will get you started.

Did anyone else notice that the first thing to pop up in Google for this is a bunch of right-wing blogs and NOT the actual article in question.


I wonder why looking for it in english wouldn't turn up the original article...
 
2012-07-31 11:08:22 AM  

liam76: Mrtraveler01: liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: A myth spread by hate mongers

So Al-Hayat, an arabic paper owned by Saudi's and published in London is a "hate monger" against muslims.

Interesting.

I'm sure you have a citation to this fine publication.

Well it said soemthing you don't like, so by your definition they "hate muslims", but this will get you started.

Did anyone else notice that the first thing to pop up in Google for this is a bunch of right-wing blogs and NOT the actual article in question.

I wonder why looking for it in english wouldn't turn up the original article...


So the only thing you got to go on is heresay from a bunch of right-wing blogs.

Sounds legit.
 
2012-07-31 11:12:47 AM  

Mrtraveler01: So the only thing you got to go on is heresay from a bunch of right-wing blogs.

Sounds legit


Jerusalem post covered it when it came out, and there are a number of groups that translat arabic media that back up what the "right-wing blogs" say. But believe what you want. I am sure you think the pew poll linked above was faked as well.
 
2012-07-31 11:18:41 AM  

liam76: Jerusalem post covered it when it came out,


Then why didn't you link to that lazy ass?

Jersualem Post is a lot more credible than sites like Free Republic.
 
2012-07-31 11:28:32 AM  

quizzical: Romney's most incompetent quality as a politician is his failure to understand that, even if what he plans to say is perfectly calculated to pander to his present audience, people OUTSIDE THE ROOM are going to learn what he said. And then he has to come up with a retraction to pander to all those other people.


I've often said of the older politicians; they don't fully realize that everything they say, write, or do is not only being recorded, it's being distributed world wide and it's search-able. Romney isn't that old, he should have a better handle on this concept.
 
2012-07-31 11:38:45 AM  

liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: A myth spread by hate mongers

So Al-Hayat, an arabic paper owned by Saudi's and published in London is a "hate monger" against muslims.

Interesting.

I'm sure you have a citation to this fine publication.

Well it said soemthing you don't like, so by your definition they "hate muslims", but this will get you started.


So the answer is "No I don't have any citation for my fear mongering propaganda" as usual.
 
2012-07-31 12:47:04 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: So the answer is "No I don't have any citation for my fear mongering propaganda" as usual


There were a number of citations there. You just choose to ignore them, as you choose to ignore the results of the pew poll.


Mrtraveler01: Then why didn't you link to that lazy ass?

Jersualem Post is a lot more credible than sites like Free Republic


Because I have been through this with dishonest pieces of shiat like you and queeg many times in the past. You can easily get the JPost reference with the link I gave, I am not going to go out of my way to point soemthing out to you that you will just ignore.
 
2012-07-31 12:52:47 PM  

liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: So the answer is "No I don't have any citation for my fear mongering propaganda" as usual

There were a number of citations there. You just choose to ignore them, as you choose to ignore the results of the pew poll.


Nope, no citations at all. A blog claiming a source said something with no link to that source is not a citation.

It was, however, an interesting insight into the sources of your ignorance and fear.
 
2012-07-31 12:59:38 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: So the answer is "No I don't have any citation for my fear mongering propaganda" as usual

There were a number of citations there. You just choose to ignore them, as you choose to ignore the results of the pew poll.

Nope, no citations at all. A blog claiming a source said something with no link to that source is not a citation.

It was, however, an interesting insight into the sources of your ignorance and fear.


Wasn't too hard to find
 
2012-07-31 01:01:22 PM  

skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: So the answer is "No I don't have any citation for my fear mongering propaganda" as usual

There were a number of citations there. You just choose to ignore them, as you choose to ignore the results of the pew poll.

Nope, no citations at all. A blog claiming a source said something with no link to that source is not a citation.

It was, however, an interesting insight into the sources of your ignorance and fear.

Wasn't too hard to find


nothing about blasphemy though.
 
2012-07-31 01:06:39 PM  

skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: So the answer is "No I don't have any citation for my fear mongering propaganda" as usual

There were a number of citations there. You just choose to ignore them, as you choose to ignore the results of the pew poll.

Nope, no citations at all. A blog claiming a source said something with no link to that source is not a citation.

It was, however, an interesting insight into the sources of your ignorance and fear.

Wasn't too hard to find


Huh, what do you know, no death penalty for blasphemy as Liam claimed.

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The bill reserves death sentences to people who negotiate with a foreign government "against Palestinian interests" and engage in any activity that can "hurt Palestinian morale."


I'm sure you will join me in condemning Liam's lie.
 
2012-07-31 01:16:17 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: So the answer is "No I don't have any citation for my fear mongering propaganda" as usual

There were a number of citations there. You just choose to ignore them, as you choose to ignore the results of the pew poll.

Nope, no citations at all. A blog claiming a source said something with no link to that source is not a citation.


A blog? It was a Google search with hundreds of hits and you call it "a blog"?


Philip Francis Queeg: It was, however, an interesting insight into the sources of your ignorance and fear.


You left hatred off your list of baseless lies about me.


skullkrusher: nothing about blasphemy though


There are more links out there that translate the whole Al-Hayat article (as well as translations of video of Hammas officials), but even without that what do you think Sharia based punishment for blasphemy is?
 
2012-07-31 01:18:03 PM  

FlashHarry: i used to think mitt was smart and that i just disliked him for his unctuous pandering.

now i'm realizing that he's an upper-midwest dubya - a harvard-educated, multimillionaire moron who was born on third base and thought he hit a triple.


This.

I really thought he was a actual smart guy just posing as an "Aw shucks, I don't know the answer to that simple question, but gosh darnit I just love America" patriot/moron.

He truly is Dubya II.
 
2012-07-31 01:18:19 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: The bill reserves death sentences to people who negotiate with a foreign government "against Palestinian interests" and engage in any activity that can "hurt Palestinian morale."

I'm sure you will join me in condemning Liam's lie


You don't think that covers blasphemy?
Why would you, a google search is a "blog" and linking a pew poll showing negative things abotu muslims means I hate them.
 
2012-07-31 01:30:07 PM  

liam76: There are more links out there that translate the whole Al-Hayat article (as well as translations of video of Hammas officials), but even without that what do you think Sharia based punishment for blasphemy is?


the link says specifically that death is only applicable for people who "negotiate with a foreign government 'against Palestinian interests' and engage in any activity that can 'hurt Palestinian morale.'" so unless you're going to argue that blasphemy could be construed as an activity which hurts Palestinian morale, this is utter horseshiat
 
2012-07-31 01:40:27 PM  

skullkrusher: liam76: There are more links out there that translate the whole Al-Hayat article (as well as translations of video of Hammas officials), but even without that what do you think Sharia based punishment for blasphemy is?

the link says specifically that death is only applicable for people who "negotiate with a foreign government 'against Palestinian interests' and engage in any activity that can 'hurt Palestinian morale.'" so unless you're going to argue that blasphemy could be construed as an activity which hurts Palestinian morale, this is utter horseshiat


There are videos of some of the lawmakers talking abotu it on-line, can't see them now as I am at work, but I will try later if I get a chance.

That being said, put your self in the shoes of the people who voted for this. You just voted in a system of law that includes stoning for adultery and chopping off hands for thievery, do you really think treating blasphemy as bad for the morale fo your people is a big stretch?
 
2012-07-31 01:45:18 PM  

liam76: There are videos of some of the lawmakers talking abotu it on-line, can't see them now as I am at work, but I will try later if I get a chance.


tribalinsight.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-31 02:03:58 PM  

Mrtraveler01: liam76: There are videos of some of the lawmakers talking abotu it on-line, can't see them now as I am at work, but I will try later if I get a chance.

[tribalinsight.files.wordpress.com image 600x750]


So Palestenian lawmakers creating Sharia laws which are in-line with the prevailing attitudes among muslims in the region (as shown by the pew poll) is on par with UFO's to you?

You are more of an idiot than I thought.

And no I don't "want to believe" it would be great if I could bury my head in the sand and pretend that people don't actually believe backward shiat like you should be killed for blasphemy, or women should be stoned for infidelity, but I have seen too much of the world for that nonsense, and evenif I haven'ty I am not so farking blinded by PC bullshiat that I refuse to believe pew polls on the subject.
 
2012-07-31 04:57:44 PM  

liam76: A culture that supports the death penalty for blasphemy is inferior to one that doesn't.


How about one that depends on apartheid?
 
2012-07-31 04:58:57 PM  

liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: The bill reserves death sentences to people who negotiate with a foreign government "against Palestinian interests" and engage in any activity that can "hurt Palestinian morale."

I'm sure you will join me in condemning Liam's lie

You don't think that covers blasphemy?
Why would you, a google search is a "blog" and linking a pew poll showing negative things abotu muslims means I hate them.


It could cover broadcasting a Cubs game. Next week you'll be claiming that the Palestinians crucify people for watching baseball.

Of course you will be claiming that with a deep love and respect for Muslims.
 
2012-07-31 07:05:50 PM  

Heron: They can't even drive on most roads in Israel, so I don't see how that's worse. Then there's the whole "bulldozing their trees to make room for settler apartment buildings" that the Israelis do, and denying them access to water, and kicking them out of homes in East Jerusalem at gun point that their family has held for generation so the State can give those homes to the Hasidim. Don't even get me started on the disgrace that is Israeli family law.



That's because they aren't Israeli citizens. You don't automatically have a right to move freely in another country, especially if you do not belong to a country yourself and the leaders of your political parties actively support terrorism against Israel.

Most were not kicked out of Israel proper in the first place, most were displaced during the wars started by the Arab neighbors and are really from Egypt, Lebanon or Jordan.
 
2012-07-31 08:01:32 PM  

Uncle Tractor: liam76: A culture that supports the death penalty for blasphemy is inferior to one that doesn't.

How about one that depends on apartheid?


I know you are fundamentally incapable of telling the truth on anything relating to Israel but a military occupation isn't an apartheid. It was defined in the Rome Statute of the ICC and the UN as "inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them." If you could stop reading stormfront for a few minutes you would realize to fit that description they would have to be opressing their arab citizens. A good example would be Jordan's treatment of Palestinians, or even better the treatment of non-mulsims in Palestine.


Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: The bill reserves death sentences to people who negotiate with a foreign government "against Palestinian interests" and engage in any activity that can "hurt Palestinian morale."

I'm sure you will join me in condemning Liam's lie

You don't think that covers blasphemy?
Why would you, a google search is a "blog" and linking a pew poll showing negative things abotu muslims means I hate them.

It could cover broadcasting a Cubs game. Next week you'll be claiming that the Palestinians crucify people for watching baseball.



IS there any poll showing that muslims in the region are pro-death penalty for things like watching baseball?

Philip Francis Queeg: Of course you will be claiming that with a deep love and respect for Muslims


I am sorry you think that because I cite pew poll about muslims means I hate them. Maybe one day you will grow up and stop pretending anybody who thinks all religions aren't exactly the same isn't some hate monger.
 
2012-07-31 10:09:36 PM  

liam76: Uncle Tractor: liam76: A culture that supports the death penalty for blasphemy is inferior to one that doesn't.

How about one that depends on apartheid?

I know you are fundamentally incapable of telling the truth on anything relating to Israel but a military occupation isn't an apartheid. It was defined in the Rome Statute of the ICC and the UN as "inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them." If you could stop reading stormfront for a few minutes you would realize to fit that description they would have to be opressing their arab citizens. A good example would be Jordan's treatment of Palestinians, or even better the treatment of non-mulsims in Palestine.


Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: Philip Francis Queeg: The bill reserves death sentences to people who negotiate with a foreign government "against Palestinian interests" and engage in any activity that can "hurt Palestinian morale."

I'm sure you will join me in condemning Liam's lie

You don't think that covers blasphemy?
Why would you, a google search is a "blog" and linking a pew poll showing negative things abotu muslims means I hate them.

It could cover broadcasting a Cubs game. Next week you'll be claiming that the Palestinians crucify people for watching baseball.


IS there any poll showing that muslims in the region are pro-death penalty for things like watching baseball?

Philip Francis Queeg: Of course you will be claiming that with a deep love and respect for Muslims

I am sorry you think that because I cite pew poll about muslims means I hate them. Maybe one day you will grow up and stop pretending anybody who thinks all religions aren't exactly the same isn't some hate monger.


Well, it's not like you have a long history of posting anti-Muslim progaganda. Oh wait, yes it is. That's exactly who you are. Fark's premier anti-Mulsim hatemonger.
 
2012-07-31 10:14:23 PM  
I don't see where Romney's statement is inaccurate. You fartlibtards are denying Israel has a culture advantage over Palestine? All things considered (aforementioned blockades, etc), right or wrong, you deny that Israel has it better? Your farklibtardpoliticstaboutrage has blinded you.

For FSM's sake, you all are a bunch of koolaid drinking idiots.
 
2012-08-01 03:51:40 AM  

liam76: I know you are fundamentally incapable of telling the truth on anything relating to Israel


Just like you, then.

but a military occupation isn't an apartheid.

It is when the occupation turns into colonization and ... well actually, it's ethnic cleansing, not apartheid.

It was defined in the Rome Statute of the ICC and the UN as "inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them."

This is a fairly good description of Israel and zionism.

If you could stop reading stormfront for a few minutes

If you could stop lying for a few minutes ...

you would realize to fit that description they would have to be opressing their arab citizens.

Which is what they're doing.

One of the major complaints of Israeli Arabs is that their municipalities benefit from far less government funding than Jewish areas.

They can vote and run for office; they have served as diplomats and Supreme Court judges. But their status is constantly undermined by a harsh paradox: Israeli Arabs are both citizens of Israel and the kin of Israel's enemies. The result has been a level of discrimination sometimes reminiscent of America's treatment of blacks in the 1950s.

The difference in funding varies by study: This year the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), which Israel was invited to join in June, concluded that public spending per Arab child, although improved over the past decade, is still one-third less than public spending on a Jewish child. In 2005, the American-based New Israel Fund found the state education budget had provided approximately $200 per Arab child compared to $1,000 for a Jewish one.

A good example would be Jordan's treatment of Palestinians, or even better the treatment of non-mulsims in Palestine.

...and once again we see that the only way to make Israel look good is to compare it with countries that nobody would call democracies.
 
2012-08-01 04:09:29 AM  

Tumunga: I don't see where Romney's statement is inaccurate.


It doesn't matter if it's accurate or not, it's rude and insulting to say it to their face. That's not the role of a President.

For instance, I can say you're an ignorant, hypocritical, fool that has no opinion of their own and merely repeats what the celebrity newscaster / talk show host said last.

It's a completely accurate statement, but it's still rude to say it to you.
 
2012-08-01 06:34:24 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Well, it's not like you have a long history of posting anti-Muslim progaganda. Oh wait, yes it is. That's exactly who you are. Fark's premier anti-Mulsim hatemonger


You only see it that way because you have along history of calling things like pew polls on muslims or historical statements about the origin of the religion as "anti-muslim"
propaganda.


Uncle Tractor: It is when the occupation turns into colonization and ... well actually, it's ethnic cleansing, not apartheid.


We have been through this. How is aplace being "ethnically cleansed" is the population of the supposed group being cleansed is growing faster than the group doing the cleansing?

Uncle Tractor: This is a fairly good description of Israel and zionism.


Only if someone continually ignore that arabs make up 20% (and growing) percent of Israel's population.

Uncle Tractor: Which is what they're doing.


Using those metrics the US is opressing blue states as they get less in funding. So no they aren't doing that.


Uncle Tractor: ...and once again we see that the only way to make Israel look good is to compare it with countries that nobody would call democracies


Saying thay aren't an "apartheid" doesn't make them look good. I was giving you examples of actual apartheids. What we do see is that nobody gives a shiat about palestines unless Israel is involved.
 
2012-08-01 06:48:00 AM  

Uncle Tractor: One of the major complaints of Israeli Arabs is that their municipalities benefit from far less government funding than Jewish areas.



They should see how poor minority neighborhoods are treated in America
 
2012-08-01 08:53:07 AM  

liam76: Uncle Tractor: It is when the occupation turns into colonization and ... well actually, it's ethnic cleansing, not apartheid.

We have been through this. How is aplace being "ethnically cleansed" is the population of the supposed group being cleansed is growing faster than the group doing the cleansing?


Like you said; we've been through this; and every time, you ignore certain facts like the one where less and less of the WB is available to palestinians. That's what the colonies are for, you know? To hog land and make it unavailable / useless to the natives.

Uncle Tractor: This is a fairly good description of Israel and zionism.

Only if someone continually ignore that arabs make up 20% (and growing) percent of Israel's population.


You should read the text you pasted.

Uncle Tractor: Which is what they're doing.
Using those metrics the US is opressing blue states as they get less in funding. So no they aren't doing that.


Let's see... blue states have more money and pay to help the red states who have less. In Israel, the state gives more support to the ethnicities that are doing well than to the one that isn't.

One is not like the other.

Uncle Tractor: ...and once again we see that the only way to make Israel look good is to compare it with countries that nobody would call democracies

Saying thay aren't an "apartheid" doesn't make them look good. I was giving you examples of actual apartheids. What we do see is that nobody gives a shiat about palestines unless Israel is involved.


Israel is an actual apartheid. Even Verwoerd thought so, and he would know.
 
2012-08-01 09:50:32 AM  

Uncle Tractor: Like you said; we've been through this; and every time, you ignore certain facts like the one where less and less of the WB is available to palestinians. That's what the colonies are for, you know? To hog land and make it unavailable / useless to the natives.


If the growth of the settlements amounts to "ethnic cleansing" then I am sure you are going to complain about the ethnic cleansing in Gaza, and point me to proof that Israeli arabs can't live there. I will be waiting on that one.


Uncle Tractor: Israel is an actual apartheid. Even Verwoerd thought so, and he would know


You mean the guy who died in 1966? The guy who died before many rights of arab citizens in Israel came about?

How about we listen to a South African who is familiar with Israel today and had a part in Apartheid and the end of Apartheid in SA.

In Israel, there is no apartheid. Nothing there comes close to the definition of apartheid under the 1998 Rome Statute: "Inhumane acts ... committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime." Israeli Arabs - 20 percent of Israel's population - vote, have political parties and representatives in the Knesset and occupy positions of acclaim, including on its Supreme Court. Arab patients lie alongside Jewish patients in Israeli hospitals, receiving identical treatment.

The situation in the West Bank is more complex. But here too there is no intent to maintain "an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group." This is a critical distinction, even if Israel acts oppressively toward Palestinians there. South Africa's enforced racial separation was intended to permanently benefit the white minority, to the detriment of other races. By contrast, Israel has agreed in concept to the existence of a Palestinian state in Gaza and almost all of the West Bank, and is calling for the Palestinians to negotiate the parameters.


You can link to income or service disparity in Israel all day long, but unless you can show how it is ethnicity based you might as well make the claim about the US.
 
2012-08-01 03:36:35 PM  

ds615: Tumunga: I don't see where Romney's statement is inaccurate.

It doesn't matter if it's accurate or not, it's rude and insulting to say it to their face. That's not the role of a President.

For instance, I can say you're an ignorant, hypocritical, fool that has no opinion of their own and merely repeats what the celebrity newscaster / talk show host said last.

It's a completely accurate statement, but it's still rude to say it to you.


Since we're doing the name calling thing, I'll double down, and say your mom's a whore. And, yes, I did here that from a celebrity newscaster/talk show host. He said your mom's a whore.
 
2012-08-01 05:39:53 PM  

liam76: Uncle Tractor: Like you said; we've been through this; and every time, you ignore certain facts like the one where less and less of the WB is available to palestinians. That's what the colonies are for, you know? To hog land and make it unavailable / useless to the natives.

If the growth of the settlements amounts to "ethnic cleansing" then I am sure you are going to complain about the ethnic cleansing in Gaza, and point me to proof that Israeli arabs can't live there. I will be waiting on that one.


How can the WB colonies grow without encroaching on arab land? Well, they can't. The entire purpose of the WB colonies is to grab land and squeeze the arabs out.

Uncle Tractor: Israel is an actual apartheid. Even Verwoerd thought so, and he would know

You mean the guy who died in 1966? The guy who died before many rights of arab citizens in Israel came about?


The guy who was "credited" with creation of the SA Apartheid system, yes. One would think he knew what he was talking about.

How about we listen to a South African who is familiar with Israel today and had a part in Apartheid and the end of Apartheid in SA.

You mean this guy here?

Judge Goldstone's dark past
Yedioth Ahronoth investigation reveals man preaching human rights, who authored scathing report against Israel's operation in Gaza, sent at least 28 black defendants to gallows as South African judge under Apartheid regime


However, since you don't seem to be so impressed with Verwoerd ...

Declaration by South Africans on Apartheid Israel and the Struggle for Palestine.

An Israeli human rights organisation has described segregation of West Bank roads by the military as apartheid. Arab Israeli lawyers argue anti-discrimination cases before the supreme court by drawing out similarities between some Israeli legislation and white South Africa's oppressive laws. Desmond Tutu, the former archbishop of Cape Town and chairman of South Africa's truth and reconciliation commission, visited the occupied territories three years ago and described what he found as "much like what happened to us black people in South Africa".

As someone who lived in apartheid South Africa and who has visited Palestine I say with confidence that Israel is an apartheid state. In fact, I believe that some of Israel's actions against the Palestinians make the actions of South Africa's apartheid regime appear pale by comparison.

Well, the interminable argument over whether the Israeli system of hafradah ("separation") between West Bank Jews and Palestinians constitutes apartheid is now over. The experts were called in, and they have ruled: It's not apartheid.

According to some of them, it's worse.
 
2012-08-01 07:58:19 PM  

Tumunga: ds615: Tumunga: I don't see where Romney's statement is inaccurate.

It doesn't matter if it's accurate or not, it's rude and insulting to say it to their face. That's not the role of a President.

For instance, I can say you're an ignorant, hypocritical, fool that has no opinion of their own and merely repeats what the celebrity newscaster / talk show host said last.

It's a completely accurate statement, but it's still rude to say it to you.

Since we're doing the name calling thing, I'll double down, and say your mom's a whore. And, yes, I did here that from a celebrity newscaster/talk show host. He said your mom's a whore.


The point is, there's this little thing called "tact", and it's a quality that's good to possess when you're the leader of a country, especially when you're invited to visit other countries. Terrible things have happened between states, countries and nations from lack of tact.
 
2012-08-01 08:54:52 PM  

Uncle Tractor: How can the WB colonies grow without encroaching on arab land? Well, they can't. The entire purpose of the WB colonies is to grab land and squeeze the arabs out.


Because Israeli Arabs can live there. I notice you are still ignoring how you are still ignoring that the only actual ethnic cleansing that has happened at the direction of Israel was Jews out of Gaza.

If squeezing the arabs out was the goal, why offer to trade land? Why have they been sitting on their ass since 67? Why has the arab population been growing? I must say this is the shiatties job of Ethnic cleansing I have ever seen.

40 years and this is all they got(plus they ethnically cleansed their own peopel from gaza)?


Uncle Tractor: The guy who was "credited" with creation of the SA Apartheid system, yes. One would think he knew what he was talking about.


So by being credited with the creation of apartheid means he could see into the future to know how Israel would treat it's arab citizens? In case you missed it, he died before Israel took Gaza and the West bank. He died when Israel didn't allow arabs to rune for office or vote (IIRC), so while he could make that argument in 66, it really doesn't apply to Israel of today.

Uncle Tractor: You mean this guy here?

Judge Goldstone's dark past
Yedioth Ahronoth investigation reveals man preaching human rights, who authored scathing report against Israel's operation in Gaza, sent at least 28 black defendants to gallows as South African judge under Apartheid regime


Yeah, that guy. Funny how you have no problem taking the word of the guy who created apartheid, and died while supporting it about something he had absolutely no knowledge (Israel today). But you have a problem with Goldstones opinion. Why is it that? I am guessing it is your usual anti-semetism. After all one is more guilty of the crimes of apartheid, and Goldstone actually worked to end it.

Uncle Tractor: However, since you don't seem to be so impressed with Verwoerd ...


I know you Nazi lovers are big on people like him, but even I am suprised that you are so over the top in love with him you think he could see the future (or maybe you want to admit that his stance on the situation in Israel today is BS, nevermind his desire to color what he did as more palatable by saying other countries do it)

Uncle Tractor: The experts were called in, and they have ruled: It's not apartheid.


Nuff said.

If you want to argue what they are doing is wrong, ok, but don't use inflammatory misleading language.
 
2012-08-02 05:00:13 AM  

liam76: Uncle Tractor: How can the WB colonies grow without encroaching on arab land? Well, they can't. The entire purpose of the WB colonies is to grab land and squeeze the arabs out.

Because Israeli Arabs can live there.


In the colonies? No. In the restricted or closed areas? No. Can they use (or even cross) the prohibited roads? No.

The their land is being carved up into smaller and smaller areas and their movement between these areas is increasingly restricted. "Can live there" increasingly means "can survive there."

I notice you are still ignoring how you are still ignoring that the only actual ethnic cleansing that has happened at the direction of Israel was Jews out of Gaza.

That's not true, of course. Also, I'm not sure if evacuating a colony counts as "ethnic cleansing."

If squeezing the arabs out was the goal, why offer to trade land? Why have they been sitting on their ass since 67? Why has the arab population been growing? I must say this is the shiatties job of Ethnic cleansing I have ever seen.

...and once again you conveniently confuse ethnic cleansing with genocide.

40 years and this is all they got(plus they ethnically cleansed their own peopel from gaza)?

What they've got is a piece of land where they have full control, and that can no longer become an independent state of it's own. They've killed the two-state solution and now they're doing what they can to make life intolerable for the natives.

Uncle Tractor: The guy who was "credited" with creation of the SA Apartheid system, yes. One would think he knew what he was talking about.

So by being credited with the creation of apartheid means he could see into the future to know how Israel would treat it's arab citizens?


The only one babbling about the future is you. He looked at Israel as it was when he was alive and he saw apartheid.

In case you missed it, he died before Israel took Gaza and the West bank. He died when Israel didn't allow arabs to rune for office or vote (IIRC), so while he could make that argument in 66, it really doesn't apply to Israel of today.

Israel was apartheid then, according to him. What's changed since?

Judge Goldstone's dark past
Yedioth Ahronoth investigation reveals man preaching human rights, who authored scathing report against Israel's operation in Gaza, sent at least 28 black defendants to gallows as South African judge under Apartheid regime

Yeah, that guy. Funny how you have no problem taking the word of the guy who created apartheid, and died while supporting it about something he had absolutely no knowledge (Israel today). But you have a problem with Goldstones opinion. Why is it that?


You're being dishonest, as usual. Verwoerd recognized apartheid in the Israel he saw. His comment wasn't intended as criticism, he merely pointed out a similarity between the two countries. Goldstone, OTOH, was part of the system and now it looks like he's trying to make amends for his report on Cast Lead.

I am guessing it is your usual anti-semetism.

Oh do grow up.

Uncle Tractor: However, since you don't seem to be so impressed with Verwoerd ...

I know you Nazi lovers are big on people like him


So instead of commenting on what Desmond Tutu, the SA Trade Union, and an ANC delegation said about israeli apartheid, you ignore them completely and revert to your usual petulant accusations of nazism and "anti-semitism." You're more like a parody of an israeli-apologist than an actual israeli-apologist.

...and you finish with a touch of creative editing and a dollop of blatant hypocrisy.
 
2012-08-02 06:59:38 AM  

Uncle Tractor: In the colonies? No. In the restricted or closed areas? No. Can they use (or even cross) the prohibited roads? No.

The their land is being carved up into smaller and smaller areas and their movement between these areas is increasingly restricted. "Can live there" increasingly means "can survive there."


Israeli arabs moving into Israeli settlements.

Uncle Tractor: That's not true, of course. Also, I'm not sure if evacuating a colony counts as "ethnic cleansing."


That's not true? So there are still jews in Gaza?

This is pretty basic stuff you are incapable of telling the truth on.


Uncle Tractor: ...and once again you conveniently confuse ethnic cleansing with genocide.


No I was using your terms, you said they were trying to grab land and squeeze arabs out. If they are offering to exchange land that isn't a grab, and as stated above seeing as how Israel is 20% (and growing arab) they aren't denying that land based on ethnicity.

Uncle Tractor: The only one babbling about the future is you. He looked at Israel as it was when he was alive and he saw apartheid.


No I am talking about the present. You are using the words of a guy talking about Israel in 1966, you must believe he can see into the future for his words to matter, becasue as I pointed out and you obviously know things are quite different in Israel than they were in 1966. Unless of course you are just being dishonest.


Uncle Tractor: Israel was apartheid then, according to him. What's changed since?


Why even bother quoting me if youaren't going to read what I wrote? The ability to vote? having political parties? Having Arabs on the supreme court?


Uncle Tractor: You're being dishonest, as usual. Verwoerd recognized apartheid in the Israel he saw.


I am being dishonest but you think Verwoerd could see the future (or you are once again being dishonest about the situtation in Israel being unchaged since 66?)


Uncle Tractor: Goldstone, OTOH, was part of the system and now it looks like he's trying to make amends for his report on Cast Lead.


So Goldstone was part of the system and thus can't be trusted but Verwoerd who created the system can not only be trusted, but can see the future, got it (also lets ignore the fact that Verwoerd never worked to fight the system like Goldstone, and who was a major player against ending Apartheid).

Uncle Tractor: accusations of nazism and "anti-semitism."


The non jew behind Apartheid can be trusted to see the future and intellegently comment on Israel today. The jew who fought against Apartheid, and is familir with Israel today can't be trusted.

What other conclusion should I draw?


Uncle Tractor: So instead of commenting on what Desmond Tutu, the SA Trade Union, and an ANC delegation


I commented on what the ANC said. As far as Tutu and the SA trade union if they have any specifics they can relate to the defintion used in international law I will be glad to listen, but the segements you posted amount to "it is bad, so I will call it something bad, doesn't matter if it fits the definition".
 
2012-08-02 03:13:32 PM  

liam76: Uncle Tractor: In the colonies? No. In the restricted or closed areas? No. Can they use (or even cross) the prohibited roads? No.

The their land is being carved up into smaller and smaller areas and their movement between these areas is increasingly restricted. "Can live there" increasingly means "can survive there."

Israeli arabs moving into Israeli settlements.


Yeah, in East Jerusalem. We were talking about the WB. Hasbara mix'n'match again.

Still, that was a positive story.

Uncle Tractor: That's not true, of course. Also, I'm not sure if evacuating a colony counts as "ethnic cleansing."

That's not true? So there are still jews in Gaza?


That's not what that comment was about and you know it.

Uncle Tractor: ...and once again you conveniently confuse ethnic cleansing with genocide.

No I was using your terms, you said they were trying to grab land and squeeze arabs out. If they are offering to exchange land that isn't a grab,


What land were they offering in exchange?

and as stated above seeing as how Israel is 20% (and growing arab) they aren't denying that land based on ethnicity.

Again; the WB. You're doing the hasbara mix'n'match again.

No I am talking about the present. You are using the words of a guy talking about Israel in 1966, you must believe he can see into the future for his words to matter, becasue as I pointed out and you obviously know things are quite different in Israel than they were in 1966.

Is this an admission that Israel was, in fact and apartheid state back when Verwoerd was alive?

Unless of course you are just being dishonest.
Why even bother quoting me if youaren't going to read what I wrote? The ability to vote? having political parties? Having Arabs on the supreme court?


Does the phrase "fig leaf" mean nothing to you? As you say, the arab population of Israel is growing. What do you think will happen with the arab right to vote etc when their numbers reach the point where they can no longer be ignored? So far, the arab vote in Israel seems to be totally worthless.

Or maybe you think the arab voters are OK with arab schools being underfunded?

Uncle Tractor: Goldstone, OTOH, was part of the system and now it looks like he's trying to make amends for his report on Cast Lead.

So Goldstone was part of the system and thus can't be trusted but Verwoerd who created the system can not only be trusted, but can see the future, got it (also lets ignore the fact that Verwoerd never worked to fight the system like Goldstone, and who was a major player against ending Apartheid).


More hasbara mix'n'match.

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- Verwoerd had no stake in whether Israel was an apartheid state or not. He was merely commenting on what he saw.
- Goldstone got burned because of his report on Cast Lead, and is trying to make amends.

There is a difference there. I don't expect you to see it though.

What other conclusion should I draw?

You could try some honesty, for once.

I commented on what the ANC said. As far as Tutu and the SA trade union if they have any specifics they can relate to the defintion used in international law I will be glad to listen, but the segements you posted amount to "it is bad, so I will call it something bad, doesn't matter if it fits the definition".

I take their word over your facile dismissal of facts you don't like.
 
2012-08-02 03:37:07 PM  

Uncle Tractor: Yeah, in East Jerusalem. We were talking about the WB. Hasbara mix'n'match again.


Are they occupying east Jerusalem or do they own it?

Stillw aiting on a citiationt o back up your claim that arab Israeli's are nto allowed int he settlemnts.


Uncle Tractor: That's not what that comment was about and you know it.


That is exactly what it was about. I specificially brought up gaza and you said my comment about ethnic cleansing wasn't true.


Uncle Tractor: What land were they offering in exchange?


Go look at any of the Israeli peace plans. Trading land isn;t ethnic cleansisng.


Uncle Tractor: Is this an admission that Israel was, in fact and apartheid state back when Verwoerd was alive?


IF a group of peopel can't vote based on ethnicity, yes of course.

Uncle Tractor: Does the phrase "fig leaf" mean nothing to you? As you say, the arab population of Israel is growing. What do you think will happen with the arab right to vote etc when their numbers reach the point where they can no longer be ignored? So far, the arab vote in Israel seems to be totally worthless.

Or maybe you think the arab voters are OK with arab schools being underfunded?


If the arab vote is totally worthless, why dont hey have an arab onthe supreme court? Using the underfunded school standard the US is an apartheid.


Uncle Tractor: More hasbara mix'n'match.


What mix and match. thsoe are the straigh up facts.

So Goldstone was part of the system and thus can't be trusted but Verwoerd who created the system can not only be trusted, but can see the future, got it (also lets ignore the fact that Verwoerd never worked to fight the system like Goldstone, and who was a major player against ending Apartheid).


Uncle Tractor: - Verwoerd had no stake in whether Israel was an apartheid state or not. He was merely commenting on what he saw.
- Goldstone got burned because of his report on Cast Lead, and is trying to make amends.

There is a difference there. I don't expect you to see it though.


How did he get burned? Why would he try and make amends? Oh that is right he is a jew hence anything he says about Israel is wrong (if you don't like it) and can be trumeped by the word of the guy who started apartheid (and could apparently see in the future).

Uncle Tractor: I take their word over your facile dismissal of facts you don't like


No they presented opinions. The fact is arabs can vote, that an arab is on the supreme court, that the definition of apartheid doesn't apply in any way shape or form to Israel, but you will ignore all that, or call it a fig leaf, or think it is trumped by some SA racist leader who can see intot he future .
 
2012-08-02 05:57:38 PM  

Uncle Tractor: teaspoon.jpg

- Verwoerd had no stake in whether Israel was an apartheid state or not. He was merely commenting on what he saw.
- Goldstone got burned because of his report on Cast Lead, and is trying to make amends.

There is a difference there. I don't expect you to see it though.


I got to revisit this nonsense. This is why I don't have you on ignore. Every once and a while you top your glaring anti-semitism.

Before I had you marked for saying your comments about the population being 90% arab and saying it was 100% arab and seeing absolutely no problem with that.

This puts that to shame. You are honestly trying to tell me you aren't anti semite when you take the word of the architect of Apartheid (who died almost 50 years ago) over a guy who worked against it and was trusted by the UN to report on the 06 Irsael-Gaza war simply because the second guy was a Jew.

I point out you must think he can't be trusted because he is a jew or you must think Verwoerd was clairvoyant, and you question my honesty, then turn around and say he has to "make amends" so there is no way he is honest on Israel. What exactly does he have to make amends for? Do all people critical of Israel have to make amends? You still want to pretend your dismissal of his critique has nothing to do with his religion (because to be quite honest the clairvoyant SA nationalist is not much more crazy then your regular anti-jew stuff).
 
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