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(American Thinker)   Conservatives are not homophobic, they're anti-semantics   (americanthinker.com) divider line 111
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2012-07-30 10:49:04 AM
So he's arguing that he's not a bigot by trying to prove that bigots don't exist?
 
2012-07-30 10:51:14 AM
Merriam-Webster defines it as "irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals." One problem I have with the word is that it makes no sense etymologically. "Homo," from the Greek, means "the same," and "phobia," from the Greek, means "fear." So literally, homophobia means fear of the same.

Flammable and inflammable mean the same thing. Our language isn't always literal in its root definitions. Wear a helmet.

Also, the aversion to and discrimination against aspects of the definition are pretty much spot-on. Sorry if you're not comfortable being called out on what you're saying and doing. Maybe you should either nut up or stop saying and doing it.
 
2012-07-30 10:55:35 AM
Homophobia is the nice way of saying it. If you're going to be semantically pedantic about it, then I suggest we stop calling you homophobic and start using the non-PC term for it: self-loathing closet case.
 
2012-07-30 10:56:52 AM
"We're not afraid of gay people, we irrationally hate them and want to treat them as sub-human slime. There's a difference."
 
2012-07-30 10:57:13 AM
If they want to make their case intelligently and peacefully, it is time for the word "homophobia" to become "anachronistic." (Look it up.)

Watch out, we got a real badass linguist over here.
 
2012-07-30 11:01:39 AM
Also:

[M]ost all of us have seen or heard, whether firsthand or not, real racism and sexism in practice. On the other hand, almost exclusively those labeled as "homophobe" have a biblical conviction against homosexual behavior, and nothing more.

Wow, what translation of the Bible do you have, where there's no conviction against women?

"I'm not really sexist, I'm just practicing my biblical conviction to sell my daughter."
 
2012-07-30 11:04:58 AM
I absolutely guarantee you that the "author" of this pile of vomit would refuse to accept exactly the same argument if we started calling him anti-semetic for his hatred of arabs.
 
2012-07-30 11:06:38 AM
Looks like someone got a shiny new thesaurus for their birthday.
 
2012-07-30 11:15:25 AM
se·mat·ic (s -m t k). adj. Serving as a warning or signal of danger. Used especially of the coloring of some poisonous animals.

I don't get it

/they're anti-curare frog?
 
2012-07-30 11:25:27 AM

Voiceofreason01: So he's arguing that he's not a bigot by trying to prove that bigots don't exist?


Sounds like 99% of racists.
 
2012-07-30 11:28:54 AM

exick: self-loathing closet case


too jooey.
 
2012-07-30 11:29:15 AM

mahuika: Wow, what translation of the Bible do you have, where there's no conviction against women?

"I'm not really sexist, I'm just practicing my biblical conviction to sell my daughter."


There are dozens of Bible verses advocating treating women in ways that are literally illegal everywhere on Earth where there are laws. Verses explicitly about homosexuality (not just being a pervert)- about five.
 
2012-07-30 11:33:31 AM
So they don't fear gays. They merely hate them.

Thanks for clearing that up.
 
2012-07-30 11:35:36 AM

Bloody William: Flammable and inflammable mean the same thing. Our language isn't always literal in its root definitions. Wear a helmet.

Also, the aversion to and discrimination against aspects of the definition are pretty much spot-on. Sorry if you're not comfortable being called out on what you're saying and doing. Maybe you should either nut up or stop saying and doing it.


As I had to post to some farking shiatstain islamophobe* in a thread a while back, words with Greek and Latin roots are often merely approximate in their modern meaning.

*I mad
 
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2012-07-30 11:37:04 AM

mahuika: If they want to make their case intelligently and peacefully, it is time for the word "homophobia" to become "anachronistic." (Look it up.)

Watch out, we got a real badass cunning linguist over here.


/FTFY
 
2012-07-30 11:37:53 AM
Can't they be both? Or are they still taking offense to us using the blanket term "bigoted" to describe their attitudes?
 
2012-07-30 11:40:18 AM
Well, I've decided. We need to start knocking out conservatives and tattooing the Biblical Marriage chart onto their faces. And the backs of both their hands.

Stop using "Biblical marriage" as an example of anything.
 
2012-07-30 11:43:04 AM

mahuika: If they want to make their case intelligently and peacefully, it is time for the word "homophobia" to become "anachronistic." (Look it up.)

Watch out, we got a real badass linguist over here.


Heh. Conservatives want the word homophobia to become anachronistic.

Liberals want homophobia itself to be anachronistic.
 
2012-07-30 11:51:14 AM

Bloody William: Heh. Conservatives want the word homophobia to become anachronistic.

Liberals want homophobia itself to be anachronistic.


People say I'm "just looking for stuff to be mad at". Generally after I tell them to stop being horrible and doing things that make sensible people angry.

I hope someday I'll be able to get through an entire day without seeing something head-turningly awful. That day isn't today. Thanks, American Thinker.
 
2012-07-30 12:03:18 PM

kingoomieiii: People say I'm "just looking for stuff to be mad at".


Yeah, that's classic derailing. See also "you're taking this too personally" and "Now you've gotten angry, which means you're not thinking logically. I can't discuss this with you anymore."
 
2012-07-30 12:05:36 PM

mahuika: "Now you've gotten angry, which means you're not thinking logically. I can't discuss this with you anymore."


Idea: stop saying shiat like "It's so funny going where poor people hang out" and I won't get mad at you, DAD

AND NO, "I WAS MAKING A JOKE" DOESN'T MAKE IT OKAY, PEOPLE HEARD YOU SAY THAT, AND SUDDENLY I'M THE ASSHOLE CHAPERONING A SENILE OLD MAN

/christ
 
2012-07-30 01:05:41 PM

kingoomieiii: mahuika: "Now you've gotten angry, which means you're not thinking logically. I can't discuss this with you anymore."

Idea: stop saying shiat like "It's so funny going where poor people hang out" and I won't get mad at you, DAD

AND NO, "I WAS MAKING A JOKE" DOESN'T MAKE IT OKAY, PEOPLE HEARD YOU SAY THAT, AND SUDDENLY I'M THE ASSHOLE CHAPERONING A SENILE OLD MAN

/christ


awwman.net
 
2012-07-30 01:08:10 PM

mahuika: kingoomieiii: People say I'm "just looking for stuff to be mad at".

Yeah, that's classic derailing. See also "you're taking this too personally" and "Now you've gotten angry, which means you're not thinking logically. I can't discuss this with you anymore."


At some point, violence is the solution.
 
2012-07-30 01:17:08 PM
Merriam-Webster defines it as "irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals." One problem I have with the word is that it makes no sense etymologically. "Homo," from the Greek, means "the same," and "phobia," from the Greek, means "fear." So literally, homophobia means fear of the same.


I am actually surprised it took this long for the dictionary to be added to the list of things that Hate America.
 
2012-07-30 01:19:18 PM
Unquestionably, one of the things homosexuals "abhor" is the name calling.

Gay marriage advocates don't seem to "abhor" name calling. If you don't agree with their cause, you're going to get called some names.
 
2012-07-30 01:45:57 PM
FTA: However, my greatest complaint with the term does not stem from its etymological shortcomings. The English language, like most languages, is in constant flux and is full of silly words. The biggest problem with homophobia and its variations is that they have become "snarl" words -- words that, when used, are intended to induce a negative response. Such words commonly appeal to people's emotions rather than their reasoning.

Yeah!

Take that, stupid liberals!
 
2012-07-30 01:47:47 PM

mahuika: Also:

[M]ost all of us have seen or heard, whether firsthand or not, real racism and sexism in practice. On the other hand, almost exclusively those labeled as "homophobe" have a biblical conviction against homosexual behavior, and nothing more.

Wow, what translation of the Bible do you have, where there's no conviction against women?

"I'm not really sexist, I'm just practicing my biblical conviction to sell my daughter."


"I'm not racist, I just believe that since Ham glanced upon his father drunk and naked that colored people should be required to hew my wood and carry my water for the rest of their lives."
 
2012-07-30 01:48:56 PM
I can't believe this is still an issue. Marriage is not solely a religious institution, and churches have many different variations on who can/cannot get married. A majority of Americans can believe what they want, but they do not (well, should not) have the power to take rights away from people based on that. Imagine if we voted on rights for women or minorities. They may be going to hell, but you can't legislate based on that. You legislate on whether it hurts others. Steve farking Jimmy up the ass might disgust you if you think about it, but that's about it. And Sandra going down on Mary is hot, I don't care who you are.

/will be in my bunker
 
2012-07-30 01:49:59 PM
"It's interesting that those who oppose homosexuality are categorized as 'homophobic,' especially since fear has nothing to do with the opposition to homosexuality."

Well, I think fear has something to do with it since a lot of homophobes are afraid that their kids will be turned gay. But I will agree that fear isn't the primary factor, that would be hate.
 
2012-07-30 01:50:31 PM

mahuika: "I'm not really sexist, I'm just practicing my biblical conviction to sell my daughter."


why are you libs being so hateful and intolerant towards my views
 
2012-07-30 01:50:54 PM
Fark has really gone downhill in the last year or so.

Is it really possible to only have articles for AmericanThinker, ThinkProgress, etc get greenlit?

I get that Fsark needs clicks and all, but this is increasingly creating reasons NOT to check in on Fark.

I refuse to click on anything from these herpaderp paid provacatuer sites, and the intellectual level of the flame-bait troll slap fights on the threads they bring continues to plummet.

I know, I know, welcome to Fark. (I've been here longer than most BTW) But can we not at least get the flame bait from a wider variety of sites?
 
2012-07-30 01:52:10 PM

SkinnyHead: Unquestionably, one of the things homosexuals "abhor" is the name calling.

Gay marriage advocates don't seem to "abhor" name calling. If you don't agree with their cause, you're going to get called some names.


Why are people who want to deny others equality so thin-skinned?
 
2012-07-30 01:53:33 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Is it really possible to only have articles for AmericanThinker, ThinkProgress, etc get greenlit?


Fark isn't a real news site. It makes fun of what people think is news. Seriously and responsibly pointing to the news of the day is not something this site was ever meant for. This kind of complaint is like yelling at a clown for being silly.
 
2012-07-30 01:53:41 PM

French Rage: "I'm not racist, I just believe that since Ham glanced upon his father drunk and naked that colored people should be required to hew my wood and carry my water for the rest of their lives."


To be fair, Romney was 35 years old when his church stopped believing that.
 
2012-07-30 01:53:52 PM
Divorce ends 50% of all marriages in America. Jesus never mentioned homosexuality but specifically said that divorce is not allowed. Anyone who says homosexuality is a threat to traditional marriage without being ten times more ardently against divorce is lying about faith being the root of the issue. It is bigotry, plain and simple.
 
2012-07-30 01:54:17 PM
www.americanthinker.com
*pherp*
Damned seismic semiotics semantics cement-ticks robophoblics!
 
2012-07-30 01:54:26 PM

thurstonxhowell: BojanglesPaladin: Is it really possible to only have articles for AmericanThinker, ThinkProgress, etc get greenlit?

Fark isn't a real news site. It makes fun of what people think is news. Seriously and responsibly pointing to the news of the day is not something this site was ever meant for. This kind of complaint is like yelling at a clown for being silly a serial killer.

 
2012-07-30 01:56:31 PM
Merriam-Webster defines

Whenever this is actually in an article I know I'm on a right wing blog. It speaks volumes about the intellegence of the people who both write and read this crap.
 
2012-07-30 01:56:47 PM

thurstonxhowell: BojanglesPaladin: Is it really possible to only have articles for AmericanThinker, ThinkProgress, etc get greenlit?

Fark isn't a real news site. It makes fun of what people think is news. Seriously and responsibly pointing to the news of the day is not something this site was ever meant for. This kind of complaint is like yelling at a clown for being silly.


The Fark squirrel is deeply ashamed that this site even has a Politics tab. It should be all squirrel nuts, all the time.
 
2012-07-30 02:02:50 PM
A friend, language expert, and fellow Christian, Dr. Danny Evans, notes that the common use of homophobe is a "completely erroneous use of the word. Most of us know that a phobia is a fear of certain things or situations. It's interesting that those who oppose homosexuality are categorized as 'homophobic,' especially since fear has nothing to do with the opposition to homosexuality. From a Christian viewpoint, homosexuality is not feared, but rather opposed based on the biblical explanation of it. We love people, no matter what their sexual preferences may be. It is the sin we despise."

BULL


.........SHIAT

There's not really anything else to say.
 
2012-07-30 02:04:26 PM

SkinnyHead: Unquestionably, one of the things homosexuals "abhor" is the name calling.

Gay marriage advocates don't seem to "abhor" name calling. If you don't agree with their cause, you're going to get called some names.


Stating that someone is a particular noun or adjective, when reviewing their actions compared to the definition in the dictionary, is not name calling. It's called speaking properly.

bigot - noun : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

So tell me again which side is saying people will go to hell and burn for all eternity?
 
2012-07-30 02:04:28 PM
EHRMAGERD!

'MERKUN THERNKER!

/Sorry. From another thread today. It's a goddamn brainworm.
 
2012-07-30 02:07:51 PM
FTFA: In other words, Romney and his church are homophobes because they supported traditional (biblical) marriage (along with a solid majority of Californians, along with a significant majority of Americans in 31 other states that have placed traditional marriage on a ballot).


And that there's an appeal to popularity.

Bigotry isn't the kind of thing that's magically "okay" just because there's a significant majority of people who are bigots. Yes, if you support "traditional marriage" in the sense of an invented archetype of marriage that is diametrically opposed to the actual Biblical versions in many very significant ways, you're a bigot.

If you support ACTUAL traditional Biblical marriage, then you also believe that raping a virgin is a shortcut past that whole "dating" and "engagement" bullshiat. And that there's no reason to stop at just one wife.
 
2012-07-30 02:08:30 PM
Takes a real special kind of genius to refer to the Greek definition of "homo" and not the Latin definition. It's as if this guy doesn't realize that our language is based on Latin roots.
 
2012-07-30 02:10:45 PM

thurstonxhowell: Fark isn't a real news site. It makes fun of what people think is news.


I know. But this isn't that. That's my point.

It's one thing to find a riduclous article in the Paxahatchie Gazette and have fun with it, or to take today's facepalming political screw-up and knock it around mercilessly. It's even good to have heated and vigorous debates about curent events and politics.That's what Fark is for.

But this is "Let's all fight over flame bate blogs posted on website designed to get people riled up with partisan asshattery!"

This isn't mocking news, this is setting up troll slap-fight arenas and making sure there is a fresh supply of red meat to keep them going.

Great for selling clicks, I am sure. But not what Fark used to be. It is a devolution.
 
2012-07-30 02:11:44 PM

Mikey1969: A friend, language expert, and fellow Christian, Dr. Danny Evans, notes that the common use of homophobe is a "completely erroneous use of the word. Most of us know that a phobia is a fear of certain things or situations. It's interesting that those who oppose homosexuality are categorized as 'homophobic,' especially since fear has nothing to do with the opposition to homosexuality. From a Christian viewpoint, homosexuality is not feared, but rather opposed based on the biblical explanation of it. We love people, no matter what their sexual preferences may be. It is the sin we despise."

BULL


.........SHIAT

There's not really anything else to say.


I'll add two cents:
One of Christianity's greatest defenders would disagree with the stinker.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-30 02:11:58 PM

Citrate1007: Merriam-Webster defines

Whenever this is actually in an article I know I'm on a right wing blog. It speaks volumes about the intellegence of the people who both write and read this crap.


It should be noted that Scalia quotes Merriam-Webster from time to time in his opinions.
 
2012-07-30 02:13:52 PM

Parthenogenetic: FTA: However, my greatest complaint with the term does not stem from its etymological shortcomings. The English language, like most languages, is in constant flux and is full of silly words. The biggest problem with homophobia and its variations is that they have become "snarl" words -- words that, when used, are intended to induce a negative response. Such words commonly appeal to people's emotions rather than their reasoning.

Yeah!

Take that, stupid liberals!


Thank you. Saved me the trouble.
 
2012-07-30 02:14:30 PM

BojanglesPaladin: thurstonxhowell: Fark isn't a real news site. It makes fun of what people think is news.

I know. But this isn't that. That's my point.

It's one thing to find a riduclous article in the Paxahatchie Gazette and have fun with it


I'd like you to find a site more ridiculous than American Thinker. A few days ago they proposed to end pornography by increasing the tax on it beyond what people would be willing to pay.
 
2012-07-30 02:15:30 PM
We love people, no matter what their sexual preferences may be.

and we're gonna love the everloving motherfarking shiat right out of you reprobate degenerates. It's a tough love. Sometimes we love so much we accidentally kill. Literally kill! Our bad. But you gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette, right?
 
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