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(Westword)   Coloradoan decides to test the state's open-carry firearm law, apparently not realizing the law does not allow carrying in an establishment where liquor is served. Yes, it's a theatre   (blogs.westword.com) divider line 331
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2012-07-30 09:19:01 PM
There is no reason to openly carry a firearm unless you want it to draw attention. There is an intimidation factor that is known and used by police, military and security types.

Dumb asshole decides he wants attention and open carries. Dumb asshole is proven to be a dumb asshole when he is surprised people are intimidated (the exact thing he set out to do) and notify police some dumb asshole is openly carrying a firearm in a theater shortly after a theater mass shooting in the same f*king state.

This guy knew exactly what he was doing. Whether he expected the reaction or not I'm quite sure he's looking forward to his $10k & 10 seconds of fame on Fox News (I'm betting Hannity does the interview, we should start a pool)

Open carry laws are stupid. I have my license to carry, love to go shooting but I can't imagine what the hell is going through the heads of people that think we should have guns everywhere all the time and shiat will magically be awesome and perfect.

Even in the old west they understood letting dumb assholes intimidate others with openly carrying a firearm was a bad idea. Especially if you get two or more of these types to share one room and argument. Many towns had gun bans back in the day (I'm sure you've seen Tombstone, always thought that was a Hollywood nod to gun control though I could be wrong. It might be relevant historical accuracy for that particular town/story).

Perhaps it's time we bring that back. Just make carry in towns and cities illegal outside your home. Or just obliterate open carry (probably a more sensible option). See a gun and it's not a cop? Someone is doing something they shouldn't be.

I could be wrong. This guy could just be incredibly incredibly stupid (how about that t-shirt? checkoutthisguy.jpg). As the old saying goes, don't be quick to attribute to malice what can easily be explained by ignorance.


/If this guy was interested in protecting his life, he'd open carry some Lipitor, not a pistol.
//Ever notice the super pro-gun advocates do more to push public opinion for gun control than gun control advocates?
///Dumb asshole
 
2012-07-30 09:33:08 PM

MurphyMurphy: There is no reason to openly carry a firearm unless you want it to draw attention. There is an intimidation factor that is known and used by police, military and security types.

Dumb asshole decides he wants attention and open carries. Dumb asshole is proven to be a dumb asshole when he is surprised people are intimidated (the exact thing he set out to do) and notify police some dumb asshole is openly carrying a firearm in a theater shortly after a theater mass shooting in the same f*king state.

This guy knew exactly what he was doing. Whether he expected the reaction or not I'm quite sure he's looking forward to his $10k & 10 seconds of fame on Fox News (I'm betting Hannity does the interview, we should start a pool)

Open carry laws are stupid. I have my license to carry, love to go shooting but I can't imagine what the hell is going through the heads of people that think we should have guns everywhere all the time and shiat will magically be awesome and perfect.

Even in the old west they understood letting dumb assholes intimidate others with openly carrying a firearm was a bad idea. Especially if you get two or more of these types to share one room and argument. Many towns had gun bans back in the day (I'm sure you've seen Tombstone, always thought that was a Hollywood nod to gun control though I could be wrong. It might be relevant historical accuracy for that particular town/story).

Perhaps it's time we bring that back. Just make carry in towns and cities illegal outside your home. Or just obliterate open carry (probably a more sensible option). See a gun and it's not a cop? Someone is doing something they shouldn't be.

I could be wrong. This guy could just be incredibly incredibly stupid (how about that t-shirt? checkoutthisguy.jpg). As the old saying goes, don't be quick to attribute to malice what can easily be explained by ignorance.


/If this guy was interested in protecting his life, he'd open carry some Lipitor, not a pistol.
//Ever notice the sup ...


I see people open carry all the time. Nobody thinks anything of it. We also don't need to have a permit to CCW. So who knows how many people have guns. Oh noes.
 
2012-07-30 09:34:38 PM

PsyLord: But no massacres occurred there because he was toting a gun, right?

/ducks


Yes and there were no stampedes because he was using elephant repellent.
 
2012-07-30 10:11:51 PM

iserlohn: LaraAmber: Whiskey Dickens:
I wasn't blaming anything on the Aurora victims, but if they're guilty of something, it's allowing the gun owners such say in lawmaking that there are now 275 million guns legally owned in America.
This translates to 90 guns per 100 citizens, and many more rampages to come. :(

Oh wait, I now see your point, there are 275 million guns legally owned in America. And the Aurora shooting that took place in my backyard is such a freak instance that it made international news and was talked about all over the world until basically the Olympics started. That means there are millions of guns in this country NOT being used to kill people every day. That translates to 90 guns per 100 citizens NOT being used to kill our neighbors every day!

Yeah America!

[www.brookings.edu image 850x639]


Guns per 100 people is actually a stupid metric to even analyze. Most gun owners, if they own guns own more than one. In fact, I myself own more than ten. A better thing to study might be gun owners per hundred, not just number of guns.

And before you ask why a person might need more than one gun, there is .22lr for target shooting, 9mm for ccw, 12 gauge for bird hunting and clay hunting, two different shotguns, and then there is .308 for deer, 5.56/2.23 for varmint, etc.
 
2012-07-30 10:15:03 PM

manimal2878: Guns per 100 people is actually a stupid metric to even analyze. Most gun owners, if they own guns own more than one. In fact, I myself own more than ten. A better thing to study might be gun owners per hundred, not just number of guns.

And before you ask why a person might need more than one gun, there is .22lr for target shooting, 9mm for ccw, 12 gauge for bird hunting and clay hunting, two different shotguns, and then there is .308 for deer, 5.56/2.23 for varmint, etc.


I agree. I own probably 20 or more. They really add up before you know it.
 
2012-07-30 10:34:49 PM

justtray: Please, please, please, stop pretending like you or anyone else could make a difference. The only thing that stops gun related crime is preventing people from having guns. Nothing else.


Actually, more emphasis mental health related issue awareness could help a lot, especially from educators. Daily Beast has decent piece on it. Aside from being unconstitutional, we can't stop the sale of all guns, much less collect them all. We can look for signs of unstable people and stop them from getting guns, like we stop certain people from getting on planes.

/I don't own a gun
//I consume mental health services
 
2012-07-30 10:34:52 PM

BGates: manimal2878: Guns per 100 people is actually a stupid metric to even analyze. Most gun owners, if they own guns own more than one. In fact, I myself own more than ten. A better thing to study might be gun owners per hundred, not just number of guns.

And before you ask why a person might need more than one gun, there is .22lr for target shooting, 9mm for ccw, 12 gauge for bird hunting and clay hunting, two different shotguns, and then there is .308 for deer, 5.56/2.23 for varmint, etc.

I agree. I own probably 20 or more. They really add up before you know it.


Should I feel inadequate for only owning four?
 
2012-07-30 10:44:32 PM

Dimensio: BGates: manimal2878:
And before you ask why a person might need more than one gun, there is .22lr for target shooting, 9mm for ccw, 12 gauge for bird hunting and clay hunting, two different shotguns, and then there is .308 for deer, 5.56/2.23 for varmint, etc.

I agree. I own probably 20 or more. They really add up before you know it.

Should I feel inadequate for only owning four?


No. I have over 20 in my personal collection as well. The reason for having that many is the previous owners passed away and left them to me.

/crappy way to grow a collection
//fark cancer
 
2012-07-30 10:58:49 PM

BGates: I see people open carry all the time. Nobody thinks anything of it. We also don't need to have a permit to CCW. So who knows how many people have guns. Oh noes.


Same here. Open carry just isn't the big deal some people think it is.

I guess they have a hard time imagining a place where guns are socially acceptable, nobody freaks out, and shootings are rare.

/AZ to WY high five
 
2012-07-30 11:05:30 PM
Who the fark carries a gun to the movies?

ZOMG THE BRITISH WILL INVADE DURING INTERMISSION BETTER BE SURE I AM CARRYING

Oh, Amerikuh, u so cwazy!
 
2012-07-30 11:31:04 PM

Dimensio: BGates: manimal2878: Guns per 100 people is actually a stupid metric to even analyze. Most gun owners, if they own guns own more than one. In fact, I myself own more than ten. A better thing to study might be gun owners per hundred, not just number of guns.

And before you ask why a person might need more than one gun, there is .22lr for target shooting, 9mm for ccw, 12 gauge for bird hunting and clay hunting, two different shotguns, and then there is .308 for deer, 5.56/2.23 for varmint, etc.

I agree. I own probably 20 or more. They really add up before you know it.

Should I feel inadequate for only owning four?


No, don't worry, the rest of us are happy enough to pick up the slack ;)

/still want to know what an "automatic expanded clip weapon" is, especially one that has a plan
//and where to get one, especially if justadouche wants to ban them
 
2012-07-30 11:40:29 PM

cegorach: Who the fark carries a gun to the movies?

ZOMG THE BRITISH WILL INVADE DURING INTERMISSION BETTER BE SURE I AM CARRYING

Oh, Amerikuh, u so cwazy!


Who wears a seat-belt for just a quick trip?
 
2012-07-31 12:14:21 AM

moops: Bathia_Mapes: Oh, great. His last name is "Mapes". :/

No, it's not. His last name clearly reads "moops".


Fine, you can have him.
 
2012-07-31 12:36:18 AM

JesseL: cegorach: Who the fark carries a gun to the movies?

ZOMG THE BRITISH WILL INVADE DURING INTERMISSION BETTER BE SURE I AM CARRYING

Oh, Amerikuh, u so cwazy!

Who wears a seat-belt for just a quick trip?


I do, because driving a car is a dangerous activity that at any time could have potentially fatal consequences and a seatbelt can help prevent that.

Going to the movies is not a dangerous activity and does not have potentially fatal consequences that can be ameliorated by firearms.

Why yes, I DO live in a country that doesn't allow its citizens to walk around armed based on centuries-old fear that colonial overlords will return!

If you *really* think going to the movies in America is a danger-fraught experience, you might want to ask yourself 'why?'.

The answer is 'because lots of people carry guns'.

And the solution for you people?

MOAR GUNZ

You people are a study in the cognitive dissonance you can get from the confluence of firearms manufacturer propaganda and male insecurity issues.
 
2012-07-31 12:39:52 AM

cegorach: JesseL: cegorach: Who the fark carries a gun to the movies?

ZOMG THE BRITISH WILL INVADE DURING INTERMISSION BETTER BE SURE I AM CARRYING

Oh, Amerikuh, u so cwazy!

Who wears a seat-belt for just a quick trip?

I do, because driving a car is a dangerous activity that at any time could have potentially fatal consequences and a seatbelt can help prevent that.

Going to the movies is not a dangerous activity and does not have potentially fatal consequences that can be ameliorated by firearms.

Why yes, I DO live in a country that doesn't allow its citizens to walk around armed based on centuries-old fear that colonial overlords will return!

If you *really* think going to the movies in America is a danger-fraught experience, you might want to ask yourself 'why?'.

The answer is 'because lots of people carry guns'.

And the solution for you people?

MOAR GUNZ

You people are a study in the cognitive dissonance you can get from the confluence of firearms manufacturer propaganda and male insecurity issues.


The only people that ever bring up male insecurity issues are anti-gun. Where do you people even get that shiat from?
 
2012-07-31 01:34:14 AM
Goatees and buzzcuts (or bald heads) are pretty much a badge for douchnozzles now, aren't they?
 
2012-07-31 01:57:09 AM

The Southern Dandy: Goatees and buzzcuts (or bald heads) are pretty much a badge for douchnozzles now, aren't they?


And noses, don't forget those.
 
2012-07-31 05:03:22 AM

InternetSecurityGuard: http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/BAG-070


Awww, the second link shows my new purse!

/has lots of velcro, sadly
/lots of fun pockets too, but none large enough for a handgun :(
 
2012-07-31 06:34:51 AM

KrispyKritter: tough going through life as a scared little flower. poor thing.


From the article it doesn't sound like he was the one that was scared, it was the one who had a panic attack and called the police.
 
2012-07-31 08:01:36 AM
You know how you can tell a lot of people didn't RTFA?
 
2012-07-31 08:10:55 AM

Farkin_Crazy: JesseL: www.fark.com/comments/7226694/-71-year-old-geezer-fights-off-pair-of -1 9-year-old-thugs-robbing-internet-cafe-With-video-baddasserywait-inter net-cafes-still-exist?

I was thinking more of mass murders instead of thieves.


Since all but one successful mass shootings I've heard of took place in "Gun Free Zones" there aren't many cases where someone was legally carrying concealed. Where have you heard of a nut case shooting a lot of people in a place where there was a chance of someone shooting back?
 
2012-07-31 09:52:16 AM

IamAwake: Brubold: I've not been given even one example of it happening and I would that that odds are that it's happened at some point. Apparently it's been so infrequently that there's nothing much to find though.

very, very weak strawman. It's rare for someone to be carrying, and extremely exceptionally rare for someone to open fire on a group of people. There are so exceptionally few times when the two things overlap/coincide, that it is irrelevant as a counter to any argument suggesting deaths would be fewer were there armed bystanders nearby. Add to the lack of overlap that the places where mass shootings take place tend to be places where it isn't legal to carry in most areas. Schools, churches, post offices...

Speaking of armed bystanders...try doing a google search for "armed bystander" and a few things do turn up. A girl saved in Athens, GA a few weeks ago, as an example. Just what was it you were using to do your search, praytell?


I'm not the one that was making the argument that more lives would have been lost had some of the audience members been armed. I saw the argument in a bunch of places after the shooting. I imagine some lefty gun control advocate on KOS or HuffPo wrote it and everyone was just parroting the argument after that. It could have been Maddow for all I know.

In any case, not one of the people making the argument has been able to provide even one example of it happening. That pretty clearly shows it's a BS argument.
 
2012-07-31 11:39:02 AM

pedrop357: Why would he lose his CCW? He didn't actually break any laws.


He most certainly did. He carried into a place that serves alcohol.
 
2012-07-31 11:58:00 AM

unlikely: pedrop357: Why would he lose his CCW? He didn't actually break any laws.

He most certainly did. He carried into a place that serves alcohol.


He did not. It's only against the law to carry while under the influence. As long as he wasn't drinking (and he wasn't), he will be free to go. The theater itself can ban the carrying of guns, but they have to meet certain criteria to do so (controlled entrances, metal detectors, etc...).
 
2012-07-31 12:05:59 PM

unlikely: He most certainly did. He carried into a place that serves alcohol.


Can you quote the statute? I'm having trouble finding any Colorado law that prohibits a person from possessing a firearm in a place that serves alcohol.
 
2012-07-31 12:37:41 PM

MorePeasPlease: The Southern Dandy: Goatees and buzzcuts (or bald heads) are pretty much a badge for douchnozzles now, aren't they?

And noses, don't forget those.


And long hair! Or emo hair!. Or black clothing. Or surfer gear. Or dreads.....
 
2012-07-31 01:10:30 PM

pedrop357: unlikely: He most certainly did. He carried into a place that serves alcohol.

Can you quote the statute? I'm having trouble finding any Colorado law that prohibits a person from possessing a firearm in a place that serves alcohol.


redmid17: unlikely: pedrop357: Why would he lose his CCW? He didn't actually break any laws.

He most certainly did. He carried into a place that serves alcohol.

He did not. It's only against the law to carry while under the influence. As long as he wasn't drinking (and he wasn't), he will be free to go. The theater itself can ban the carrying of guns, but they have to meet certain criteria to do so (controlled entrances, metal detectors, etc...).


Looks like I stand corrected. I offer many apologies. You are correct.
 
2012-07-31 02:45:13 PM

redmid17: You people are a study in the cognitive dissonance you can get from the confluence of firearms manufacturer propaganda and male insecurity issues.

The only people that ever bring up male insecurity issues are anti-gun. Where do you people even get that shiat from?


Meh, it's just a not-so-subtle ad hominem attack -- debate for the lazy: "If you think XYZ, you have a small penis. So there, I win."
 
2012-07-31 02:54:34 PM

cegorach: Going to the movies is not a dangerous activity and does not have potentially fatal consequences that can be ameliorated by firearms.


I seem to remember reading a story recently where going to the movies was very dangerous for a bunch of people. I just can't remember where or when it happened. Damn, I will remember, just give me a minute...
 
2012-07-31 05:10:33 PM

JesseL: vudukungfu: You don't need a gun around drunks, unless you like shooting drunks.
End CSB.

But evidently you do need a nightstick. For those of us who aren't bouncers, carrying that is going to go over worse than carrying a concealed handgun.


Actually, you'd be surprised what you can carry around. I've walked around with a 4-foot long 2-handed sword, through a busy parking lot, multiple times...and nobody, not even the cops nearby, ever batted an eyelash.
Granted, it was in a scabbard, which was about the same color as my coat, but still...people see what they expect to see, which is very little.
 
2012-07-31 05:22:13 PM

PunGent: Actually, you'd be surprised what you can carry around. I've walked around with a 4-foot long 2-handed sword, through a busy parking lot, multiple times...and nobody, not even the cops nearby, ever batted an eyelash.
Granted, it was in a scabbard, which was about the same color as my coat, but still...people see what they expect to see, which is very little.


A few months ago, this was me riding a few hundred miles to go shooting with some friends:

i100.photobucket.com

The only question I got was from a guy asking about the caliber when I stopped for gas.

I get the feeling though that while guns are readily accepted here, lower tech or improvised weapons might garner a bit more attention.
 
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