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2012-07-30 12:15:39 PM
I've actually met that guy, and he's a pretty typical "AMURKA FUK YAH... COLD DEAD FINGERS" kind of redneck.

It's vaguely surprising he didn't know you're not allowed to carry into a place with alcohol. That's one of the questions on the CCW written.

Not that it matters; he won't have that CCW any more.
 
2012-07-30 12:40:58 PM
Oh, great. His last name is "Mapes". :/
 
2012-07-30 01:07:57 PM

unlikely: I've actually met that guy, and he's a pretty typical "AMURKA FUK YAH... COLD DEAD FINGERS" kind of redneck.

It's vaguely surprising he didn't know you're not allowed to carry into a place with alcohol. That's one of the questions on the CCW written.

Not that it matters; he won't have that CCW any more.


It's slightly possible that he didn't know they sell alcohol there? Most crappy movie theaters don't.
He says he's a regular, and the place is named Cinebarre though. So missing a detail like that would be vaguely surprising if he wasn't the "AMURKA FUK YAH" type, but recent GOP superstars have taught me to expect that kind of lack of attention to detail.
 
2012-07-30 01:20:48 PM

serial_crusher: It's slightly possible that he didn't know they sell alcohol there? Most crappy movie theaters don't.



actually most theaters have corporate "no weapons" policies in place. it's up to the CCW holder to do the research before hand. it similar for places like Target and Walmart. Target doesn't allow weapons, but Walmart does.
 
2012-07-30 02:30:35 PM
Cool!!!! They serve liquor in Colorado theaters?

/know your laws BEFORE you carry DA!!!!
 
2012-07-30 02:30:59 PM
Looks like that's not the only thing he's carrying around his waist.
 
2012-07-30 02:33:19 PM
Oh god, he lives in my town. he's probably one of my neighbors. Hooray for Colorado. *grumble grumble*
 
2012-07-30 02:34:45 PM
You have to know your local ordinances; some places you can legally waive your gun around in public. I don't know why you would; but you can. Open carry is a tricky one; mostly because some conceal carry ordinances apply to open carry. Some places, the type of holster is regulated; it's all based on local ordinance. And, it's complicated as all hell

/ I'm glad I live in a place where it is quite legal to open carry just about anywhere.

// sometimes, though, it's best to listen to johnny cash and leave your guns at home
 
2012-07-30 02:34:55 PM
tough going through life as a scared little flower. poor thing.
 
2012-07-30 02:35:20 PM
The symmetry of that man's face is disturbing.
 
2012-07-30 02:36:16 PM
Why bother with open carry? Unless you're in law enforcement, you look like a complete tool.
 
2012-07-30 02:36:22 PM
FTFA: According to Mapes, he's a regular patron of Cinebarre, which he's been visiting since it opened several years ago, as well as a movie fan in general; he goes to shows every week or two, he estimates.

I call BS. Who can afford to go to the movies that often?
 
2012-07-30 02:38:36 PM

LandOfChocolate: Why bother with open carry? Unless you're in law enforcement, you look like a complete tool.


And what are the odds of ever being in a situation like occurred at the theater in Aurora. Hell he went to go see the watch, and presumably they must not sell skittles and iced tea there either thank god.
 
2012-07-30 02:39:58 PM
August 11th, I believe.. Colorado's biggest gun show.
Myself and 3 other friends are going.. gonna get me a nice handgun.
 
2012-07-30 02:40:07 PM

Grapple: Oh god, he lives in my town. he's probably one of my neighbors. Hooray for Colorado. *grumble grumble*


Hi neighbor!

Did you see that we're getting a Larkburger? YES!
 
2012-07-30 02:40:54 PM
Knee jerk dumbshiats on the left and right? You're soaking in them right now!
 
2012-07-30 02:41:03 PM
It wasn't a political statement, but it sure was wearing a political statement's uniform. Also: ignorance of the law is always a good excuse, right?
 
2012-07-30 02:41:14 PM
No Attention Whore pic yet?
 
2012-07-30 02:41:20 PM

iheartscotch: You have to know your local ordinances; some places you can legally waive your gun around in public. I don't know why you would; but you can. Open carry is a tricky one; mostly because some conceal carry ordinances apply to open carry. Some places, the type of holster is regulated; it's all based on local ordinance. And, it's complicated as all hell

/ I'm glad I live in a place where it is quite legal to open carry just about anywhere.

// sometimes, though, it's best to listen to johnny cash and leave your guns at home


Glad I live in a place where I don't feel the need to carry a gun to feel safe. I call it the real world.
 
2012-07-30 02:42:10 PM
HEE-HAW!

/Suck it, gun derpers.
 
2012-07-30 02:42:48 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Oh, great. His last name is "Mapes". :/


No, it's not. His last name clearly reads "moops".
 
2012-07-30 02:44:46 PM

LandOfChocolate: Why bother with open carry? Unless you're in law enforcement, you look like a complete tool.


Concealment can be a pain in the ass. Depending on what you wear it can necessitate a smaller gun or different style holster. I like a full-sized pistol (easier to shoot accurately) and an outside-the-waistband holster, so my concealment with that rig usually depends on an untucked shirt.

It's not a big deal though, because open carry is ridiculously common around here - the only people who give it a second glance are tourists.
 
2012-07-30 02:44:56 PM

iheartscotch: You have to know your local ordinances; some places you can legally waive your gun around in public. I don't know why you would; but you can. Open carry is a tricky one; mostly because some conceal carry ordinances apply to open carry. Some places, the type of holster is regulated; it's all based on local ordinance. And, it's complicated as all hell

/ I'm glad I live in a place where it is quite legal to open carry just about anywhere.

// sometimes, though, it's best to listen to johnny cash and leave your guns at home


This is why i love living in Pennsylvania. Only the state has the power to pass laws about carrying a firearm. So basically anytime you have a local ordinance saying you cant carry there, you can ignore it. However, the rights of property owners are not something you can ignore. I conceal carry everywhere i go. If a business has a restriction on that, i simply go elsewhere. And as much as i like Johnny Cash, im afraid he and i are going to have to disagree on that point. When criminals start scheduling their illegal activity with me in advance, then i would agree i can sometimes leave my firearm at home. Until then, i reserve the right to protect myself.
 
2012-07-30 02:45:39 PM
WHAT DID HIS T-SHIRT SAY!?

How can I judge the man?
 
2012-07-30 02:46:34 PM

dikfishman: No Attention Whore pic yet?


osgapusgov.files.wordpress.com
Here ya go.
 
2012-07-30 02:48:19 PM
From his own letter to the editor:

Just one concealed-weapon holder in a classroom where a random criminal attempts to shoot the occupants could and would reduce the casualties, as they would either take out the offender or at least distract them while others managed to get distance from the shooter.


Can someone point me to an instance where somebody packin' saved dozens of people by taking the shooter out?
 
2012-07-30 02:48:27 PM

LandOfChocolate: Why bother with open carry? Unless you're in law enforcement, you look like a complete tool the guy who gets shot first.


FTFY
 
2012-07-30 02:50:32 PM

cubicjr: iheartscotch: You have to know your local ordinances; some places you can legally waive your gun around in public. I don't know why you would; but you can. Open carry is a tricky one; mostly because some conceal carry ordinances apply to open carry. Some places, the type of holster is regulated; it's all based on local ordinance. And, it's complicated as all hell

/ I'm glad I live in a place where it is quite legal to open carry just about anywhere.

// sometimes, though, it's best to listen to johnny cash and leave your guns at home

Glad I live in a place where I don't feel the need to carry a gun to feel safe. I call it the real world.


Do me a favor; go out to Dodge City, Kansas sometime. If it's not the middle of nowhere; you can see it from there. If you only learn one thing about Dodge City; learn that you don't go out at night in Dodge City, ever. In all the years that I've done road construction; I've only had 2 attempted car jackings. Both were at the all night gas station at the intersection of Wyatt Earp and US 54, just outside of town. Both times I had my gun; you do the math.
 
2012-07-30 02:51:05 PM
Yes you were, no you weren't, and no it wasn't.

Any CCW-holder who doesn't understand that it is both illegal and beyond stupid to carry a firearm, concealed or openly, into a bar or other establishment that serves alcohol, needs to be shot. They make us all look bad, and we don't need that crap right now.

I personally apologize for all CCW-holders on behalf of this man, and suggest that he be beaten about the neck and shoulders until he learns the value of reading his fecking permit. I would also not be opposed to his permit being revoked for a term no shorter than forever.
 
2012-07-30 02:51:27 PM
Okay, this moron wore a shirt with a slogan about Liberals on it that he 'just happened to throw on because it was convenient.'

He wore is gun out in the open which he has allegedly done 'many times in the past'

He goes to the theater often and has since it opened but was unaware it sold alcohol. (I recently moved to a new city, the first theater I went to sells alcohol in 3 places, all with BIG signs that say BAR IS OPEN. I can't image any theater with a bar would be any different. The concessions are where the money is, and alcohol and soda and pop corn are the biggest money makers I am sure.)

He also claims he wasn't making a political statement, but that he was just trying to prove that he isn't going to be scared in to staying home after Aurora. This idiot does not, I think, understand what making a political statement is.

Conclusion, this guy is either a terrible liar, or so stupid it is amazing he can walk and chew gum. I am going to assume he is a terrible liar, NO ONE is that stupid and lives to adulthood. Not even some with his poitical mentality.

/Went to see Dark Knight Rises this weekend. I didn't feel the need to strap a weapon on my hip to get out of the house. I did look around the theater a little bit more than usually, but I also arrived a bit later than usual and was one of the last in the viewing room.
 
2012-07-30 02:52:04 PM

Farkin_Crazy: From his own letter to the editor:

Just one concealed-weapon holder in a classroom where a random criminal attempts to shoot the occupants could and would reduce the casualties, as they would either take out the offender or at least distract them while others managed to get distance from the shooter.

Can someone point me to an instance where somebody packin' saved dozens of people by taking the shooter out?


www.fark.com/comments/7226694/-71-year-old-geezer-fights-off-pair-of -1 9-year-old-thugs-robbing-internet-cafe-With-video-baddasserywait-inter net-cafes-still-exist?
 
2012-07-30 02:52:56 PM
I can't find the actual statute that makes it illegal to carry into an establishment where liquor is served.
 
2012-07-30 02:53:00 PM
James, James, James. You need to check out Thunderwear:

http://www.thunderwear.com/holsters.asp

Either that or cut the pretense and start carrying a murse:

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/BAG-070

I have been carrying one of these around for several years now. So folks have gotten used to seeing me with it. Externally it has radios, GPS and cameras. But folks have no idea what is in the hidden pcket.
 
2012-07-30 02:53:36 PM

factoryconnection: Also: ignorance of the law is always a good excuse, right?


I'd be with you, if judges, district attorneys, and police officers didn't often also present a shocking ignorance of the law.

If the professionals can't do it, why do we expect the amateurs to?
 
2012-07-30 02:55:31 PM

Farkin_Crazy: From his own letter to the editor:

Just one concealed-weapon holder in a classroom where a random criminal attempts to shoot the occupants could and would reduce the casualties, as they would either take out the offender or at least distract them while others managed to get distance from the shooter.

Can someone point me to an instance where somebody packin' saved dozens of people by taking the shooter out?


I'll even stay in the same state. We had a shooting in Colorado Springs several years ago where the armed assailant was taken out by an armed civilian, it was at Ted Haggard's former church.
 
2012-07-30 02:55:49 PM

Farkin_Crazy: From his own letter to the editor:

Just one concealed-weapon holder in a classroom where a random criminal attempts to shoot the occupants could and would reduce the casualties, as they would either take out the offender or at least distract them while others managed to get distance from the shooter.

Can someone point me to an instance where somebody packin' saved dozens of people by taking the shooter out?


Thats kind of a hard thing to prove. I can point you to several stories where someone defended himself legally with a firearm. For example, that 71 year old man who fired on those two guys who tried to rob an internet cafe in florida. They came in waving a gun and a baseball bat and took off running when the other guy pulled his gun. Maybe those two were just going to use their weapons to intimidate the staff and customers into giving them what they wanted. Maybe they were planning on using their weapons to kill the staff and customers. We just don't know. And since i don't know what your intentions are, im not taking any chances. If you threaten my life with a weapon and im able to defend myself with mine, im sure as hell going to.
 
2012-07-30 02:56:01 PM
Has it always been illegal to open carry in an establishment that serves alcohol?

About 10 years ago I was in my local pub (Avogadro's Number in Ft. Collins). Tends to be kind of a hippy/artist place, so everyone kind of freaked out when a cowboy/rancher type guy came in with a revolver on his hip in plain view. He ordered a beer and sat down. Most of the customers actually left the bar because they were nervous. I laughed and asked the guy if he gets that reaction a lot. He was a really cool and said it happens a lot but it's totally legal. Was he correct? This was in 2002/2003.

Also, how do CCW laws affect this? I thought open carry was totally seperate from CCW laws?

/ignorant about carry laws
//keep my guns at home
 
2012-07-30 02:56:14 PM
But no massacres occurred there because he was toting a gun, right?

/ducks
 
2012-07-30 02:56:26 PM

wmoonfox: Yes you were, no you weren't, and no it wasn't.

Any CCW-holder who doesn't understand that it is both illegal and beyond stupid to carry a firearm, concealed or openly, into a bar or other establishment that serves alcohol, needs to be shot. They make us all look bad, and we don't need that crap right now.

I personally apologize for all CCW-holders on behalf of this man, and suggest that he be beaten about the neck and shoulders until he learns the value of reading his fecking permit. I would also not be opposed to his permit being revoked for a term no shorter than forever.


People who make sweeping generalizations about all CCW laws should be beaten about the neck and shoulders until he learns the value of reading his fecking permit.

"What places are off-limits when carrying a concealed weapon in Indiana?
1. In or On School Property.
2. On a school bus
3. In or on property that is being used by a school for a school function
4. Private School(IC 20*9.1*1*3) & (IC 35*41*1*24.7)
5. Head Start (IC 35*41*1*24.7)
6. Preschool (IC 35-41-1-24.7)
7. IC 35*47*9*1Allows the carry of firearms by persons permitted to possess and who are transporting a person to or from school or a school function.
8. On an aircraft
9. Controlled access areas of an airport
10. During annual State Fair 80 IAC 4-4-4 (Must lock in vehicle)
11. Shipping port 130 IAC 4-1-8 (Controlled by Indiana Port Commission)
12. A riverboat Casino
 
2012-07-30 02:56:32 PM

Zukipilot: Cool!!!! They serve liquor in Colorado theaters?

/know your laws BEFORE you carry DA!!!!


The greatest thing about living in Colorado is our love of combining microbrews and movies.
 
2012-07-30 02:56:41 PM

wmoonfox: Any CCW-holder who doesn't understand that it is both illegal and beyond stupid to carry a firearm, concealed or openly, into a bar or other establishment that serves alcohol, needs to be shot. They make us all look bad, and we don't need that crap right now.


1. Whether it's illegal depends on the state.
2. If it's legal and you're not drinking, why would you say it's stupid?

opencarry.org
 
2012-07-30 02:56:58 PM

JesseL: www.fark.com/comments/7226694/-71-year-old-geezer-fights-off-pair-of -1 9-year-old-thugs-robbing-internet-cafe-With-video-baddasserywait-inter net-cafes-still-exist?


I was thinking more of mass murders instead of thieves.
 
2012-07-30 02:58:00 PM

iheartscotch: cubicjr: iheartscotch: You have to know your local ordinances; some places you can legally waive your gun around in public. I don't know why you would; but you can. Open carry is a tricky one; mostly because some conceal carry ordinances apply to open carry. Some places, the type of holster is regulated; it's all based on local ordinance. And, it's complicated as all hell

/ I'm glad I live in a place where it is quite legal to open carry just about anywhere.

// sometimes, though, it's best to listen to johnny cash and leave your guns at home

Glad I live in a place where I don't feel the need to carry a gun to feel safe. I call it the real world.

Do me a favor; go out to Dodge City, Kansas sometime. If it's not the middle of nowhere; you can see it from there. If you only learn one thing about Dodge City; learn that you don't go out at night in Dodge City, ever. In all the years that I've done road construction; I've only had 2 attempted car jackings. Both were at the all night gas station at the intersection of Wyatt Earp and US 54, just outside of town. Both times I had my gun; you do the math.


Excuse me; I ment US 400; 54 and 400 are the same road for 150 miles or so; but split before you get to Dodge
 
2012-07-30 02:58:33 PM
His shirt probably says "LIBERALISM ROCKS!"
 
2012-07-30 02:58:54 PM

joonyer: Has it always been illegal to open carry in an establishment that serves alcohol?

About 10 years ago I was in my local pub (Avogadro's Number in Ft. Collins). Tends to be kind of a hippy/artist place, so everyone kind of freaked out when a cowboy/rancher type guy came in with a revolver on his hip in plain view. He ordered a beer and sat down. Most of the customers actually left the bar because they were nervous. I laughed and asked the guy if he gets that reaction a lot. He was a really cool and said it happens a lot but it's totally legal. Was he correct? This was in 2002/2003.

Also, how do CCW laws affect this? I thought open carry was totally seperate from CCW laws?

/ignorant about carry laws
//keep my guns at home


Not that I can find. I looked at all the usual sources and couldn't find a statute that prohibits carrying in a liquor establishment. Yes, there are laws about carrying while under the influence, but nothing about bar carry.
 
2012-07-30 03:01:25 PM

Farkin_Crazy: JesseL: www.fark.com/comments/7226694/-71-year-old-geezer-fights-off-pair-of -1 9-year-old-thugs-robbing-internet-cafe-With-video-baddasserywait-inter net-cafes-still-exist?

I was thinking more of mass murders instead of thieves.


Do you have one of these?:

images.wikia.com

No? Then how the hell can you ever know what would have happened in any situation if circumstances had been different? I'm not going to give armed robbers the benefit of the doubt and assume that nobody would have been hurt if they hadn't been stopped.
 
2012-07-30 03:03:16 PM
But he seems like an educated individual who would never attempt to shock people with his clothing or behavior.
 
2012-07-30 03:05:08 PM

Farkin_Crazy: From his own letter to the editor:

Just one concealed-weapon holder in a classroom where a random criminal attempts to shoot the occupants could and would reduce the casualties, as they would either take out the offender or at least distract them while others managed to get distance from the shooter.

Can someone point me to an instance where somebody packin' saved dozens of people by taking the shooter out?


IIRC, Nightline did a little simulation shortly after the VTech shooting where they gave a few students in a classroom a paint pellet gun and told them that someone was going to come in and start blasting. Even with the warning, the students ended up either not getting a shot off before being shot themselves or shooting innocent students that got in their line of sight.
 
2012-07-30 03:07:38 PM

rhino33: serial_crusher: It's slightly possible that he didn't know they sell alcohol there? Most crappy movie theaters don't.


actually most theaters have corporate "no weapons" policies in place. it's up to the CCW holder to do the research before hand. it similar for places like Target and Walmart. Target doesn't allow weapons, but Walmart does.


corporate rules != illegal.

Not yet, at least...
 
2012-07-30 03:08:02 PM

serial_crusher: unlikely: I've actually met that guy, and he's a pretty typical "AMURKA FUK YAH... COLD DEAD FINGERS" kind of redneck.

It's vaguely surprising he didn't know you're not allowed to carry into a place with alcohol. That's one of the questions on the CCW written.

Not that it matters; he won't have that CCW any more.

It's slightly possible that he didn't know they sell alcohol there? Most crappy movie theaters don't.
He says he's a regular, and the place is named Cinebarre though. So missing a detail like that would be vaguely surprising if he wasn't the "AMURKA FUK YAH" type, but recent GOP superstars have taught me to expect that kind of lack of attention to detail.


He was also wearing a shirt that had "liberalism" printed on it likely followed by some other derptastic teatard slogan. The guy was looking for attention and apparently he found it.
 
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