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(BBC)   Brazilian wins at women's judo. With bonus "are you sure they're wrestling?" picture   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 43
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2012-07-30 12:32:26 PM
I'll be in my bunk....
 
2012-07-30 01:51:19 PM
Choked into unconciousness with a woman's thighs.

Can I change my living will to include this as my preferred method of execution?
 
2012-07-30 02:25:04 PM

brap: Choked into unconciousness with a woman's thighs.

Can I change my living will to include this as my preferred method of execution?


Sounds like a step down from snu snu.
 
2012-07-30 03:10:39 PM
So she waxed the competition?
 
2012-07-30 03:17:38 PM
Figured it was a triangle choke before clicking. I wouldn't mind letting Kyra Gracie slap one of those on me.

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2012-07-30 03:19:43 PM
Damn, that's a lot of wins. I didn't know there were that many Judo events.
 
2012-07-30 03:21:52 PM
Tribgasm.
 
2012-07-30 03:27:15 PM
I'd let her throw me around if you know what I mean.
 
2012-07-30 03:28:53 PM
Judo is pretty fun. A big plus is the idea that you dont have to worry about surprise knockout strikes out of nowhere, Judo is more of a sport. You are scored by throws and submissions as opposed to strikes. It involves a lot of "Gi" play (yanking and throwing people around by their clothes) and strenuous ground game, but it is a hell of a work out. Repeated sparring also improves your physical and mental confidence tremendously.
 
2012-07-30 03:33:57 PM

Flappyhead: Figured it was a triangle choke before clicking. I wouldn't mind letting Kyra Gracie slap one of those on me.

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I be in my bunk... tapping out...
 
2012-07-30 03:35:19 PM
it isn't a triangle or wrestling, it's a gi choke. she's being choked with the edge of her gi
 
2012-07-30 03:40:14 PM
Looks like she may be having 'Menezes' cramps...

\thank you, i'll be here all week.
 
2012-07-30 03:42:46 PM
{flamewar}

So if Gracie Style Ju-jitsu is such a superior martial art, why haven't any of their students medaled in olympic Judo{/flamewar}
 
2012-07-30 04:14:12 PM

Magorn: So if Gracie Style Ju-jitsu is such a superior martial art, why haven't any of their students medaled in olympic Judo


Because it's not "Olympic Mixed Martial Arts" but "Olympic Judo"? I don't think they've won at fencing either.
 
2012-07-30 04:14:35 PM

Magorn: {flamewar}

So if Gracie Style Ju-jitsu is such a superior martial art, why haven't any of their students medaled in olympic Judo{/flamewar}


Different set of rules.

You may as well ask: If beach volleyball is a superior sport, whey haven't any of them medalled in table tennis?

Derrrp.
 
2012-07-30 04:20:06 PM

Magorn: {flamewar}

So if Gracie Style Ju-jitsu is such a superior martial art, why haven't any of their students medaled in olympic Judo{/flamewar}


BJJ only gained popularity about 20 years ago, tops. I really don't give a shiat what is and isn't an Olympic sport, but there's the real answer.

Really though, I'm glad that modern MMA has more or less brought us to a point where the legitimate/effective martial arts have separated themselves from the pretenders. We've pretty much reached a point where the consensus is that wrestling, BJJ, and muay Thai are the 3 that combine to form the most effective skill set, with boxing/karate/judo a little further behind and most of the rest being a joke.
 
2012-07-30 04:21:30 PM

Slam Dunkz: Magorn: {flamewar}

So if Gracie Style Ju-jitsu is such a superior martial art, why haven't any of their students medaled in olympic Judo{/flamewar}

Different set of rules.

You may as well ask: If beach volleyball is a superior sport, whey haven't any of them medalled in table tennis?

Derrrp.


Derr. I missed the point of his question. Whoops.
 
2012-07-30 04:40:33 PM

the biggest redneck here: Magorn: {flamewar}

So if Gracie Style Ju-jitsu is such a superior martial art, why haven't any of their students medaled in olympic Judo{/flamewar}

BJJ only gained popularity about 20 years ago, tops. I really don't give a shiat what is and isn't an Olympic sport, but there's the real answer.

Really though, I'm glad that modern MMA has more or less brought us to a point where the legitimate/effective martial arts have separated themselves from the pretenders. We've pretty much reached a point where the consensus is that wrestling, BJJ, and muay Thai are the 3 that combine to form the most effective skill set, with boxing/karate/judo a little further behind and most of the rest being a joke.


How DARE you insult TKD!!! I'm going to go and form punch some air and pretend it's your face!
 
2012-07-30 04:43:37 PM

Magorn: {flamewar}

So if Gracie Style Ju-jitsu is such a superior martial art, why haven't any of their students medaled in olympic Judo{/flamewar}


I'll go in a different direction since the obvious routes have been covered


Because they would rather compete in MMA or ADCC venues and the Olympics are considered too "nerfed up" for serious competition.

How many college basketball players are hoping for a shot at the Olympics vs playing in the the NBA ?
 
2012-07-30 04:45:31 PM

Slam Dunkz: Magorn: {flamewar}

So if Gracie Style Ju-jitsu is such a superior martial art, why haven't any of their students medaled in olympic Judo{/flamewar}

Different set of rules.

You may as well ask: If beach volleyball is a superior sport, whey haven't any of them medalled in table tennis?

Derrrp.


No , it's actually closer to asking why no beach volleyball players were ever on Olympic court volleyball teams, and the answer is, many of them were at one time or another.

While the historyof the eveolution of Japanese martial arts from -"Jitsu" to "Do" forms could fill several textbooks the short answer is the difference is largely a philsophical focus of the art, and much of the kinetics of the form remain intact during the transition. Thus Ju-jitsu practicioners should be able to sucessfully compete and win in sport judo torunaments as the mechanics of much of the grappling and throwing is extremely similar.

/Studied Aki-do, Ju-do and Ju-jitsu for a time in my early 20's
 
2012-07-30 04:51:15 PM

the biggest redneck here: Magorn: {flamewar}

So if Gracie Style Ju-jitsu is such a superior martial art, why haven't any of their students medaled in olympic Judo{/flamewar}

BJJ only gained popularity about 20 years ago, tops. I really don't give a shiat what is and isn't an Olympic sport, but there's the real answer.

Really though, I'm glad that modern MMA has more or less brought us to a point where the legitimate/effective martial arts have separated themselves from the pretenders. We've pretty much reached a point where the consensus is that wrestling, BJJ, and muay Thai are the 3 that combine to form the most effective skill set, with boxing/karate/judo a little further behind and most of the rest being a joke.


You know that's not even remotely true correct? That combo works well within the rules of the SPORT of MMA, but is in no way a comment on the "real world" effectiveness of any or all of the above as a self-defense method.

Personally I nominate Bando as the sacriest/most effective single style I've ever witnessed in action as I saw a practicioner who was reffing a martial arts tournament knock two black belts (one TSD, one Mantis style kung-fu) nearly simultaneously in less time than it took me to blink after they disobeyed his command and kept fighting after he called the match for excessive contact)
 
2012-07-30 04:52:11 PM

the biggest redneck here: Magorn: {flamewar}

So if Gracie Style Ju-jitsu is such a superior martial art, why haven't any of their students medaled in olympic Judo{/flamewar}

BJJ only gained popularity about 20 years ago, tops. I really don't give a shiat what is and isn't an Olympic sport, but there's the real answer.

Really though, I'm glad that modern MMA has more or less brought us to a point where the legitimate/effective martial arts have separated themselves from the pretenders. We've pretty much reached a point where the consensus is that wrestling, BJJ, and muay Thai are the 3 that combine to form the most effective skill set, with boxing/karate/judo a little further behind and most of the rest being a joke.


They provide the most effective skillset within the rules of the dominant organization(s). Go to K-1 and it's different. It always boils down to rules. The most effective martial arts will always be based on what the rules say you can and cannot do.
 
2012-07-30 04:53:44 PM

Magorn: {flamewar}

So if Gracie Style Ju-jitsu is such a superior martial art, why haven't any of their students medaled in olympic Judo{/flamewar}


You are required to use throws to get your opponent down in Olympic Judo, and a throw scores the most points rather than submission attempts or defense. In Gracie JJ you use dirty wrestling to get to the ground, and all the focus is on the submission game. Just look at how any GJJ fighter gets to do a lot of work from their back, yet in Olympic Judo you lose points when you're on your back.

The two may be related, but the entire training focus is completely different.
 
2012-07-30 05:00:21 PM
She really looks like she's enjoying her.... Win. Giggity.
 
2012-07-30 05:04:57 PM
Judo and BJJ are two totally different martial arts. That question is just. dumb.
 
2012-07-30 05:06:34 PM
That's a lot of wins
 
2012-07-30 05:10:51 PM

bhcompy: the biggest redneck here: Magorn: {flamewar}

So if Gracie Style Ju-jitsu is such a superior martial art, why haven't any of their students medaled in olympic Judo{/flamewar}

BJJ only gained popularity about 20 years ago, tops. I really don't give a shiat what is and isn't an Olympic sport, but there's the real answer.

Really though, I'm glad that modern MMA has more or less brought us to a point where the legitimate/effective martial arts have separated themselves from the pretenders. We've pretty much reached a point where the consensus is that wrestling, BJJ, and muay Thai are the 3 that combine to form the most effective skill set, with boxing/karate/judo a little further behind and most of the rest being a joke.

They provide the most effective skillset within the rules of the dominant organization(s). Go to K-1 and it's different. It always boils down to rules. The most effective martial arts will always be based on what the rules say you can and cannot do.


So you're saying that wrestling isn't effective when it's not allowed? Brilliant.
 
2012-07-30 05:15:23 PM

Ryker's Peninsula: So she waxed the competition?


Win.
 
2012-07-30 05:24:01 PM

socodog: Judo and BJJ are two totally different martial arts. That question is just. dumb.


Blow Job Jobs are a respected art form and should be an Olympic event.
 
2012-07-30 06:21:46 PM

Satanic_Hamster: socodog: Judo and BJJ are two totally different martial arts. That question is just. dumb.

Blow Job Jobs are a respected art form and should be an Olympic event.


the only olympic event where the winners are the spectators
 
2012-07-30 06:22:03 PM
Oh yeah, I was watching that match on Saturday. Menezes was targeting Dumitru's right arm the entire time, exploiting a weakness and not letting her get a solid grip.
 
2012-07-30 06:52:49 PM

the biggest redneck here: bhcompy: the biggest redneck here: Magorn: {flamewar}

So if Gracie Style Ju-jitsu is such a superior martial art, why haven't any of their students medaled in olympic Judo{/flamewar}

BJJ only gained popularity about 20 years ago, tops. I really don't give a shiat what is and isn't an Olympic sport, but there's the real answer.

Really though, I'm glad that modern MMA has more or less brought us to a point where the legitimate/effective martial arts have separated themselves from the pretenders. We've pretty much reached a point where the consensus is that wrestling, BJJ, and muay Thai are the 3 that combine to form the most effective skill set, with boxing/karate/judo a little further behind and most of the rest being a joke.

They provide the most effective skillset within the rules of the dominant organization(s). Go to K-1 and it's different. It always boils down to rules. The most effective martial arts will always be based on what the rules say you can and cannot do.

So you're saying that wrestling isn't effective when it's not allowed? Brilliant.


There's an old adage I like: there are no superior martial arts, only superior martial artists.

Anyway, martial arts styles are like tools: different ones for different situations. It's good to know a little of everything.
 
2012-07-30 07:57:31 PM

Magorn:

You know that's not even remotely true correct? That combo works well within the rules of the SPORT of MMA, but is in no way a comment on the "real world" effectiveness of any or all of the above as a self-defense method.

Personally I nominate Bando as the sacriest/most effective single style I've ever witnessed in action as I saw a practicioner who was reffing a martial arts tournament knock two black belts (one TSD, one Mantis style kung-fu) nearly simultaneously in less time than it took me to blink after they disobeyed his command and kept fighting after he called the match for excessive contact)


OR maybe what you saw just proves that tang su do and insect of the week weak kung fu just suck. BTW neither of those styles award black or any other color belts.


We can turn this into a sport vs street debate. I have a whole other website to comb through for those points.
 
2012-07-30 08:26:11 PM

the biggest redneck here: bhcompy: the biggest redneck here: Magorn: {flamewar}

So if Gracie Style Ju-jitsu is such a superior martial art, why haven't any of their students medaled in olympic Judo{/flamewar}

BJJ only gained popularity about 20 years ago, tops. I really don't give a shiat what is and isn't an Olympic sport, but there's the real answer.

Really though, I'm glad that modern MMA has more or less brought us to a point where the legitimate/effective martial arts have separated themselves from the pretenders. We've pretty much reached a point where the consensus is that wrestling, BJJ, and muay Thai are the 3 that combine to form the most effective skill set, with boxing/karate/judo a little further behind and most of the rest being a joke.

They provide the most effective skillset within the rules of the dominant organization(s). Go to K-1 and it's different. It always boils down to rules. The most effective martial arts will always be based on what the rules say you can and cannot do.

So you're saying that wrestling isn't effective when it's not allowed? Brilliant.


I'm saying that you can't say what is effective because MMA on its own isn't a sport, it's just a generic term for whatever martial arts are allowed. K-1, WAMMA, UFC, Pride, DREAM, Vale Tudo.. All MMA, all have different rules which allow or disallow certain martial arts or specific moves. Wrestling, BJJ, and Muay Thai are great for UFC.. that combo isn't going to do you much good in K-1.
 
2012-07-30 08:43:49 PM

Joe Peanut: Magorn: {flamewar}

So if Gracie Style Ju-jitsu is such a superior martial art, why haven't any of their students medaled in olympic Judo{/flamewar}

You are required to use throws to get your opponent down in Olympic Judo, and a throw scores the most points rather than submission attempts or defense. In Gracie JJ you use dirty wrestling to get to the ground, and all the focus is on the submission game. Just look at how any GJJ fighter gets to do a lot of work from their back, yet in Olympic Judo you lose points when you're on your back.

The two may be related, but the entire training focus is completely different.


In real life, there are no silly rules. Dislocate, rather then break. Break, rather than maim.
Good rules, but when the chips are down, fark it. Produce as much pain as you can and walk away.

Now as far as sport go.
We were watching boxing today at work, and a coworker said, "I don't get it. The got pads on their heads, and gloves on. What's boxing about"?
I said, "Just shake the jello until the hard drive skips". He got it and I couldn't tear him away from it after that.
 
2012-07-30 08:56:23 PM

Flappyhead: Figured it was a triangle choke before clicking. I wouldn't mind letting Kyra Gracie slap one of those on me.

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Perfect handle for one who would pass out before tapping out.
Don't mess with the ladies. You don't know who trained them.
Could have been a nice old Jap.
Coould have been a honkey Cobra-Kai.
Ju Jitsu rocks the house,
Silat.
Getting too old for this shiat.
Let the kids play.
Nice to see ladies getting their licks in.
NTTATWWT.
 
2012-07-30 11:30:46 PM
Look like a full-on UFIA right there.
 
2012-07-31 12:09:38 AM
She's pretty adorable.
 
2012-07-31 12:10:43 AM
vudukungfu:In real life, there are no silly rules.


We are talking about Olympic Judo compared to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Nobody is talking about street fighting. In the streets, the guy with the gun wins.
 
2012-07-31 12:23:31 AM

bhcompy:

I'm saying that you can't say what is effective because MMA on its own isn't a sport, it's just a generic term for whatever martial arts are allowed. K-1, WAMMA, UFC, Pride, DREAM, Vale Tudo.. All MMA, all have different rules which allow or disallow certain martial arts or specific moves. Wrestling, BJJ, and Muay Thai are great for UFC.. that combo isn't going to do you much good in K-1.


I'm a full-contact (American rules) kickboxer, but my last fight was K-1 and that was a damn fun experience. I think kickboxing as a whole fits in the "real martial arts" and "useful fighting skills" category, but even I'm not sure if I'd consider it (k-1 included) as MMA. There's no ground work and as I always understood it, ground work was a vital part of MMA. At least that was the general Fark consensus in the last kickboxing thread.
 
2012-07-31 01:07:51 AM

marius2: bhcompy:

I'm saying that you can't say what is effective because MMA on its own isn't a sport, it's just a generic term for whatever martial arts are allowed. K-1, WAMMA, UFC, Pride, DREAM, Vale Tudo.. All MMA, all have different rules which allow or disallow certain martial arts or specific moves. Wrestling, BJJ, and Muay Thai are great for UFC.. that combo isn't going to do you much good in K-1.

I'm a full-contact (American rules) kickboxer, but my last fight was K-1 and that was a damn fun experience. I think kickboxing as a whole fits in the "real martial arts" and "useful fighting skills" category, but even I'm not sure if I'd consider it (k-1 included) as MMA. There's no ground work and as I always understood it, ground work was a vital part of MMA. At least that was the general Fark consensus in the last kickboxing thread.


Well, it's mixed martial arts.. the K stands for Karate, Kickboxing, and Kung Fu, officially, and kakutogi (combat sports, somewhat a synonym for mma) unofficially. That's a mix.
 
2012-07-31 05:18:49 AM
Having lost in the quarter-final, she was given a second medal chance in the repechage.

Ok, serious question, did they misspell "RapeCage" ?

Cause if they did i REALLY need to start watching more matches.
 
2012-07-31 05:00:09 PM
Looks like she was licked fair and square.
 
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