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(Think Progress)   Not news: Mitt Romney sucks up to Israel. News: By praising their health care system. Fark: Which forces all Israelis to purchase private health insurance or pay a giant tax   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 141
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2012-07-30 11:58:05 AM
Why shouldn't he praise their health care system? It sounds similar to the great one he set up in Mass. as governor.
 
2012-07-30 11:58:10 AM
GOP to Mitt:

www.patentspostgrant.com
 
2012-07-30 11:58:30 AM
Nailed It.
 
2012-07-30 11:59:24 AM

Pincy: Why shouldn't he praise their health care system? It sounds similar to the great one he set up in Mass. as governor.


Done in one. Like it or not, Mitt is right on this one.
 
2012-07-30 11:59:52 AM
Wouldn't it be the greatest trick in the world if Mitt Romney won the election and, immediately after being inaugurated, he ripped off his mask and shouted to the whole world "SURPRISE! I'm the reincarnation of Karl Marx!"
 
2012-07-30 12:00:27 PM

Masterstuff: Pincy: Why shouldn't he praise their health care system? It sounds similar to the great one he set up in Mass. as governor.

Done in one. Like it or not, Mitt is right on this one.


Oh, I forgot to add, he should be taking a lot of credit for Obamacare as well.
 
2012-07-30 12:00:33 PM

Masterstuff: Pincy: Why shouldn't he praise their health care system? It sounds similar to the great one he set up in Mass. as governor.

Done in one. Like it or not, Mitt is right on this one.


Which Mitt? Because one of them HATES the system he set up as governor.
 
2012-07-30 12:00:41 PM

Masterstuff: Pincy: Why shouldn't he praise their health care system? It sounds similar to the great one he set up in Mass. as governor.

Done in one. Like it or not, Mitt is right on this one.


Sure. The problem for him is that by being right, he's completely undermined half of his election platform.
 
2012-07-30 12:02:13 PM

Pincy: Why shouldn't he praise their health care system? It sounds similar to the great one he set up in Mass. as governor.


There is no such thing as Massachusetts, it was invented by the liberal media to attack Mitt Romney for his alleged actions despite the fact that he was always a good bootstrappy conservative opposed to abortion, tax rates above 1%, and government involved in health care in anyway.
 
2012-07-30 12:04:16 PM
How long till he takes it back? Retroactively, I mean.

/maybe its their culture.
 
2012-07-30 12:04:41 PM
I was looking into this but don't have enough familiarity with health groups to know for sure: are Clalit, Maccabi, Kupat Holim Meuhedet, and Leumit (the four HMOs that you must pick between Israel's healthcare law) private companies that receive government funding, semi-public organizations that have independence but are chartered by the government, or are they essentially a number of public options? I imagine it's possible they all have different backgrounds, but I would love if someone did the heavy lifting for me of explaining how Israel's health care policy works.
 
2012-07-30 12:04:43 PM
The Israeli healthcare system also covers birth control and abortions.
 
2012-07-30 12:05:47 PM
I am completely surprised by this news.

-said no one.
 
2012-07-30 12:06:01 PM
THIS JUST IN! A photo of Obama's response to Romney praising the Israeli health care system:

www.thegatewaypundit.com

/GOP facepalm is best facepalm
 
2012-07-30 12:06:12 PM
His ego must be the size of a peanut if he keeps saying things that others want him to say just to be loved.
 
2012-07-30 12:06:57 PM
Gaffe = unintentionally telling the truth. This is a pitch perfect example...again. Its the one thing Mittens has shown he can produce in quantity aside from bullshiat.

New campaign commercial: Compare the Israeli, the ACA, and the Massachusetts health system. Play Romney quote complimenting system. All the while have Romney's negative comments throughout the last few months coming up on screen.

Finish off with a disheveled pick of Romney: Voice says: The ultimate question, America, is which Romney will you get?
 
2012-07-30 12:07:49 PM

dywed88: Pincy: Why shouldn't he praise their health care system? It sounds similar to the great one he set up in Mass. as governor.

There is no such thing as Massachusetts, it was invented by the liberal media to attack Mitt Romney for his alleged actions despite the fact that he was always a good bootstrappy conservative opposed to abortion, tax rates above 1%, and government involved in health care in anyway.


Yeah, it's really either "Southern NH" or "Eastern NY". Cape Cod doesn't actually exist. Go take a boat and look.
 
2012-07-30 12:09:47 PM
God damn, just how incompetent is this foreign trip of his going to be?
 
2012-07-30 12:10:02 PM

Grungehamster: I was looking into this but don't have enough familiarity with health groups to know for sure: are Clalit, Maccabi, Kupat Holim Meuhedet, and Leumit (the four HMOs that you must pick between Israel's healthcare law) private companies that receive government funding, semi-public organizations that have independence but are chartered by the government, or are they essentially a number of public options? I imagine it's possible they all have different backgrounds, but I would love if someone did the heavy lifting for me of explaining how Israel's health care policy works.


From what I've read, it operates essentially like Medicare Advantage does. Everybody pays a tax that goes into a pool. If you buy health insurance, you pay a monthly premium to your insurer, and the government pays 150% of what you pay to the insurer as well. If you don't buy health insurance, the money stays in the pool. Insurers have to cover a standard set of benefits but have some leeway in how they are covered. Open enrollment occurs once a year, and that is the only time you get to change your insurance plan or enroll if you didn't enroll the previous year. I also believe they have minimum medical loss ratios as well, but I haven't been able to confirm that definitively.
 
2012-07-30 12:10:22 PM
Meanwhile, at GOP headquarters:

i78.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-30 12:10:35 PM

qorkfiend: Masterstuff: Pincy: Why shouldn't he praise their health care system? It sounds similar to the great one he set up in Mass. as governor.

Done in one. Like it or not, Mitt is right on this one.

Sure. The problem for him is that by being right, he's completely undermined half of his election platform.


He should really tell the Republican Congress to stop wasting time trying to a repeal the healthcare system he created and is championing around the world.

It might happen
 
2012-07-30 12:11:59 PM

Serious Black: Wouldn't it be the greatest trick in the world if Mitt Romney won the election and, immediately after being inaugurated, he ripped off his mask and shouted to the whole world "SURPRISE! I'm the reincarnation of Karl Marx!"


It's been done.
 
2012-07-30 12:12:49 PM
How the hell did this guy screw up a foreign policy trip where he, literally, had to say nothing of substance other than show he can reasonable get on a plane and talk with other foreign leaders?

I mean, saying nothing of substance has got to be habit by now.

If you had to list things that would be laughably stupid to do..."praising another country's universal healthcare that includes an individual mandate and private insurance companies" would be number 1 on that list if it weren't for "slam London for their hosting of the olympics" already being number 1.
 
2012-07-30 12:14:56 PM

hinten: His ego must be the size of a peanut if he keeps saying things that others want him to say just to be loved.


He's a business man. He'll do anything to close the deal.
 
2012-07-30 12:14:57 PM
So he insults the English on multiple occasions, retroactivly takes it back, tells Isreal he supports them bombing the snot out of Iran and again retracts his statements. I missed what happened on the trip to Poland. I was kinda hoping he'd use the Sex Pistols' "Belsen was a Gas" as entrance music or something. There's still time left I guess :-/
 
2012-07-30 12:15:49 PM
Has he retroactively not said this yet?
 
2012-07-30 12:16:41 PM
The debates are going to be epic.
 
2012-07-30 12:17:03 PM
It's kind of funny how "not ready for prime time" Romney is, even after running for President as a full time job for about six years now.
 
2012-07-30 12:17:16 PM

x Mogwai x: So he insults the English on multiple occasions, retroactivly takes it back, tells Isreal he supports them bombing the snot out of Iran and again retracts his statements. I missed what happened on the trip to Poland. I was kinda hoping he'd use the Sex Pistols' "Belsen was a Gas" as entrance music or something. There's still time left I guess :-/


I heard he came out and unveiled his new campaign slogan "working hard brings freedom to the poor". I think they're going to shorten though.

/what
 
2012-07-30 12:19:40 PM
Oh, man. You know Obama is going to run with this in the worst possible way for Romney. "Mitt Romney supports my crown achievement in my first term of office." It gets the left to vote for Obama. It gets the right to either vote third party, or not vote at all. I predict by 2013, the GOP will be a lot weaker and the Libertarians will be a little stronger. Not sure how that makes me feel.
 
2012-07-30 12:19:53 PM

x Mogwai x: So he insults the English on multiple occasions, retroactivly takes it back, tells Isreal he supports them bombing the snot out of Iran and again retracts his statements. I missed what happened on the trip to Poland. I was kinda hoping he'd use the Sex Pistols' "Belsen was a Gas" as entrance music or something. There's still time left I guess :-/


He hasn't been to Poland yet. So there is that to look forward to. I have confidence in Romney topping himself yet again.
 
2012-07-30 12:22:44 PM
Can this nincompoop do or say anything right and consistent? Either you're for it or against it. Not both.
 
2012-07-30 12:23:36 PM

Bag of Hammers: The debates are going to be epic.


Does Romney get one podium, or one for each of his conflicting views on a subject?
 
2012-07-30 12:24:10 PM
How can anyone vote for this moronic turd?
 
2012-07-30 12:24:10 PM

Bag of Hammers: The debates are going to be epic.


I wish we could arrange a debate where Mitt has to go against Biden on foreign policy.
 
2012-07-30 12:24:57 PM
His other stupid for the trip:

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney angered Palestinian leaders on Monday when he suggested here that the Israeli economy had outpaced the economy of the Palestinian territories in part because of advantages of "culture."

....

Romney said he had studied a book called "The Wealth and Poverty of Nations," searching for an answer about why two neighboring places--the U.S. and Mexico, for instance, or Israel and the Palestinian areas--could have such disparate prosperity.

"Culture makes all the difference. Culture makes all the difference," Romney said, repeating the conclusion he drew from that book, by David Landes.


The book he read- I've not read it. It highlights these points, apparently:

The 'cultural thesis' or 'Protestant work ethic' of Max Weber
The 'hydraulic thesis' or 'Oriental Despotism thesis' of Karl A. Wittfogel
The 'climate thesis' that posits that tropical climes are, ceteris paribus, poor candidates for development.
Many of the theories of Adam Smith, whose Wealth of Nations is borrowed from for the title. But this does not necessarily mean a doctrinaire neoclassicism, as Landes notes that 'comparative advantage' can change over time, and also that developed countries, contrary to neoclassical theory, typically developed in an environment of protectionism against foreign trade.

Just to toss in: Critics have charged Landes with Eurocentrism in his analysis, a charge which Landes himself does not deny-in fact, he embraces it explicitly, arguing that an explanation for an economic miracle that happened originally only in Europe (though he deals with the later 'Asian miracle' in Wealth and Poverty) must of necessity be a Eurocentric analysis

Link

I've read Why The West Rules - For Now, and it makes much more sense:

His 2010 book, Why the West Rules--For Now, compares East and West across the last 15,000 years, arguing that physical geography rather than culture, religion, politics, genetics, or great men explains Western domination of the globe. The Economist has called it "an important book-one that challenges, stimulates and entertains. Anyone who does not believe there are lessons to be learned from history should start here."[
 
2012-07-30 12:25:11 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: Oh, man. You know Obama is going to run with this in the worst possible way for Romney. "Mitt Romney supports my crown achievement in my first term of office." It gets the left to vote for Obama. It gets the right to either vote third party, or not vote at all. I predict by 2013, the GOP will be a lot weaker and the Libertarians will be a little stronger. Not sure how that makes me feel.


This just in. GOP voters stocking up on bourbon in advance of the first televised Presidential debate.
 
2012-07-30 12:25:37 PM

PonceAlyosha: Bag of Hammers: The debates are going to be epic.

Does Romney get one podium, or one for each of his conflicting views on a subject?


I think he only needs one podium because observing him during the debates will inevitably collapse all of his quantum policy positions into one realization.
 
2012-07-30 12:25:54 PM
Wait... is it possible that Mitt is wowing them overseas and we're just getting a left wing media spun version of events? Mitt can't possibly this dumb, right?
 
2012-07-30 12:26:54 PM

Close2TheEdge: Sock Ruh Tease: Oh, man. You know Obama is going to run with this in the worst possible way for Romney. "Mitt Romney supports my crown achievement in my first term of office." It gets the left to vote for Obama. It gets the right to either vote third party, or not vote at all. I predict by 2013, the GOP will be a lot weaker and the Libertarians will be a little stronger. Not sure how that makes me feel.

This just in. GOP voters stocking up on bourbon in advance of the first televised Presidential debate.


And excuses for why the first debate ended badly for them.
 
2012-07-30 12:27:19 PM

Nadie_AZ: His other stupid for the trip:

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney angered Palestinian leaders on Monday when he suggested here that the Israeli economy had outpaced the economy of the Palestinian territories in part because of advantages of "culture."

....

Romney said he had studied a book called "The Wealth and Poverty of Nations," searching for an answer about why two neighboring places--the U.S. and Mexico, for instance, or Israel and the Palestinian areas--could have such disparate prosperity.

"Culture makes all the difference. Culture makes all the difference," Romney said, repeating the conclusion he drew from that book, by David Landes.

The book he read- I've not read it. It highlights these points, apparently:

The 'cultural thesis' or 'Protestant work ethic' of Max Weber
The 'hydraulic thesis' or 'Oriental Despotism thesis' of Karl A. Wittfogel
The 'climate thesis' that posits that tropical climes are, ceteris paribus, poor candidates for development.
Many of the theories of Adam Smith, whose Wealth of Nations is borrowed from for the title. But this does not necessarily mean a doctrinaire neoclassicism, as Landes notes that 'comparative advantage' can change over time, and also that developed countries, contrary to neoclassical theory, typically developed in an environment of protectionism against foreign trade.

Just to toss in: Critics have charged Landes with Eurocentrism in his analysis, a charge which Landes himself does not deny-in fact, he embraces it explicitly, arguing that an explanation for an economic miracle that happened originally only in Europe (though he deals with the later 'Asian miracle' in Wealth and Poverty) must of necessity be a Eurocentric analysis

Link

I've read Why The West Rules - For Now, and it makes much more sense:

His 2010 book, Why the West Rules--For Now, compares East and West across the last 15,000 years, arguing that physical geography rather than culture, religion, politics, genetics, or great men e ...


See, the blatantly racist comments against the Palestinians was a given. I'm more surprised it took him all weekend to utter one.
 
2012-07-30 12:27:26 PM
He just went there to so he could say that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. He could have done that from here. I don't get why politicians feel the need to travel to another country for this sort of crap.
 
2012-07-30 12:27:45 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: How can anyone vote for this moronic turd?


He's running against a democrat who happens to be black. Also, socialism.
 
2012-07-30 12:27:49 PM

Canyoudigit: x Mogwai x: So he insults the English on multiple occasions, retroactivly takes it back, tells Isreal he supports them bombing the snot out of Iran and again retracts his statements. I missed what happened on the trip to Poland. I was kinda hoping he'd use the Sex Pistols' "Belsen was a Gas" as entrance music or something. There's still time left I guess :-/

He hasn't been to Poland yet. So there is that to look forward to. I have confidence in Romney topping himself yet again.


"Someone offered me a very long, thick tube of meat when I got here. It looked like a giant penis, so I decided against eating it, because seriously, who eats that shiat?"
 
2012-07-30 12:28:13 PM
Romney is sure making it easy for Obama's election commercials.

Obama's video production staff:
vitalsteps.com
"Anyone come up with any material for battle ground states?"
"Nahh, why bother"

"Good point, lets see what Romney is up to today"
wwwdelivery.superstock.com
 
2012-07-30 12:29:04 PM

ps69: Has he retroactively not said this yet?


I don't think he's been in front of a group that disagrees with it, yet.
 
2012-07-30 12:29:20 PM

I alone am best: He just went there to so he could say that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. He could have done that from here. I don't get why politicians feel the need to travel to another country for this sort of crap.


Because when he's asked to clarify his policies he can just claim that he can't do that because he's "on foreign soil". Seriously, watch his Face the Nation interview. He's a complete joke.
 
2012-07-30 12:30:01 PM

Nadie_AZ: His other stupid for the trip:

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney angered Palestinian leaders on Monday when he suggested here that the Israeli economy had outpaced the economy of the Palestinian territories in part because of advantages of "culture."

....

Romney said he had studied a book called "The Wealth and Poverty of Nations," searching for an answer about why two neighboring places--the U.S. and Mexico, for instance, or Israel and the Palestinian areas--could have such disparate prosperity.

"Culture makes all the difference. Culture makes all the difference," Romney said, repeating the conclusion he drew from that book, by David Landes.

The book he read- I've not read it. It highlights these points, apparently:

The 'cultural thesis' or 'Protestant work ethic' of Max Weber
The 'hydraulic thesis' or 'Oriental Despotism thesis' of Karl A. Wittfogel
The 'climate thesis' that posits that tropical climes are, ceteris paribus, poor candidates for development.
Many of the theories of Adam Smith, whose Wealth of Nations is borrowed from for the title. But this does not necessarily mean a doctrinaire neoclassicism, as Landes notes that 'comparative advantage' can change over time, and also that developed countries, contrary to neoclassical theory, typically developed in an environment of protectionism against foreign trade.

Just to toss in: Critics have charged Landes with Eurocentrism in his analysis, a charge which Landes himself does not deny-in fact, he embraces it explicitly, arguing that an explanation for an economic miracle that happened originally only in Europe (though he deals with the later 'Asian miracle' in Wealth and Poverty) must of necessity be a Eurocentric analysis

Link

I've read Why The West Rules - For Now, and it makes much more sense:

His 2010 book, Why the West Rules--For Now, compares East and West across the last 15,000 years, arguing that physical geography rather than culture, religion, politics, genetics, or great men e ...


Anyone who has played civilization knows geography makes all the difference.
/anyone else restarted a dozen+ times to find a start point you knew could actually work?
 
2012-07-30 12:31:23 PM
What an utter disaster RmoneyBot has become.

Someone must have thrown a chip in there that switches 1's to 0's. No other possible explanation.
 
2012-07-30 12:32:03 PM
re Israeli health care system:

I live in Jerusalem.
Three week ago I broke my arm after being hit by a car while riding my bike.
I was taken by ambulance to the emergency room, xrayed, put in a cast and told to get checked out at my Kupat Holim (HMO) in a week and sent home. A week later showed up at the Kupa's orthopedic clinic without an appointment, waited an hour to see the doctor, got new xrays and was referred to one of the hospitals for surgery on my arm. Was admitted that night, (Sunday), Wednesday morning they did surgery to put in a plate to hold the bones together, released Friday with bandages, no cast. Tomorrow, 2 weeks after surgery, I'm getting the stitches out and my arm is in pretty good shape considering 3 weeks ago I was laying in the street with my upper arm bone in three pieces and pressure on the nerve.

Total cost to date: 29 shekels for the xrays at the clinic, and 600 shekels (appx. $150) for the ambulance ride, which just might get paid by either the National Insurance Institute (Social Security equivalent) or the guy that hit me's insurance. And physiotherapy is covered too.
I did have a "private" option for the surgery, but I would probably have ended up in the same hospital with the same doctors only I'd have to pay for it. Except I'd only have to pay 15% of the total cost up to slightly more than 5000 shekels. Not bad.

Yeah I pay for it out of my paycheck, and I add another $30 a month for added coverage, but thats still pretty damn good as far as I'm concerned.

/CSB
//Well, except for the part about breaking my arm, that wasn't so cool.
 
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