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(Think Progress)   Not news: Mitt Romney sucks up to Israel. News: By praising their health care system. Fark: Which forces all Israelis to purchase private health insurance or pay a giant tax   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 141
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2012-07-30 12:32:29 PM
Lol, it's like every other day with this guy. Team Obama don't even have to put things out there for Romney to stumble over any longer, he's just doing it all on his own now.
 
2012-07-30 12:33:56 PM

tjassen: re Israeli health care system:

I live in Jerusalem.
Three week ago I broke my arm after being hit by a car while riding my bike.
I was taken by ambulance to the emergency room, xrayed, put in a cast and told to get checked out at my Kupat Holim (HMO) in a week and sent home. A week later showed up at the Kupa's orthopedic clinic without an appointment, waited an hour to see the doctor, got new xrays and was referred to one of the hospitals for surgery on my arm. Was admitted that night, (Sunday), Wednesday morning they did surgery to put in a plate to hold the bones together, released Friday with bandages, no cast. Tomorrow, 2 weeks after surgery, I'm getting the stitches out and my arm is in pretty good shape considering 3 weeks ago I was laying in the street with my upper arm bone in three pieces and pressure on the nerve.

Total cost to date: 29 shekels for the xrays at the clinic, and 600 shekels (appx. $150) for the ambulance ride, which just might get paid by either the National Insurance Institute (Social Security equivalent) or the guy that hit me's insurance. And physiotherapy is covered too.
I did have a "private" option for the surgery, but I would probably have ended up in the same hospital with the same doctors only I'd have to pay for it. Except I'd only have to pay 15% of the total cost up to slightly more than 5000 shekels. Not bad.

Yeah I pay for it out of my paycheck, and I add another $30 a month for added coverage, but thats still pretty damn good as far as I'm concerned.

/CSB
//Well, except for the part about breaking my arm, that wasn't so cool.


Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory lasts forever.
 
2012-07-30 12:33:57 PM
"Israel spends less on health care because of a universal health system that requires everyone to have insurance."

Paying doctors poorly enough to make them quit probably has something to do with it too
 
2012-07-30 12:34:20 PM

tjassen: /CSB
//Well, except for the part about breaking my arm, that wasn't so cool.


That sounds like horrible socialism. Horrible, horrible socialism.
 
2012-07-30 12:35:23 PM

Masterstuff: Pincy: Why shouldn't he praise their health care system? It sounds similar to the great one he set up in Mass. as governor.

Done in one. Like it or not, Mitt is right on this one.


Yes. except when he gets home he will lie and flip on it. If he actually was consistent with the position he should be praised but he's not. It's him just once again only saying what people want him to say.
 
2012-07-30 12:36:46 PM
Mitt Romney is a dumbass.
 
2012-07-30 12:37:02 PM
So, Romney set up a plan in MA that was the basis for the ACA and praises the Israeli system which also requires all citizens to participate and covers things like abortions and birth control, yet one of his main platforms as Presidential candidate is "repealing the ACA"?


Watching the Romney campaign flail about is hilarious...
 
2012-07-30 12:37:05 PM
What is this I don't even.

>_>

This guy is running for President?
 
2012-07-30 12:37:46 PM

PonceAlyosha: Bag of Hammers: The debates are going to be epic.

Does Romney get one podium, or one for each of his conflicting views on a subject?


NeoCortex42:

I wish we could arrange a debate where Mitt has to go against Biden on foreign policy.


Well, if Presidential candidate Romney picks Governor of Massachusetts Romney for VP, you could get both your prayers answered.
 
2012-07-30 12:39:28 PM
Does anyone realize that medicine is socialized there, and that the Dr.s don't make the great $ that they do here? Now, dentists, that's a whole nother story. Of course, if you really want to make bank in Israel, be an appliance repairman.
 
2012-07-30 12:39:58 PM
I predict Romney will break the ice in Poland with a good old Policies joke.
 
2012-07-30 12:41:09 PM
ROBBLE ROBBLE, REPEAL AND REPLACE DAY ONE
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-07-30 12:41:16 PM
And the right won't even notice. They'll talk about how it's different because Obama is a socialist and ignore the one they elect, because at least it won't be that pink commie bleedin heart liberal fascist socialist kenyan muslin usurper.
 
2012-07-30 12:41:56 PM

bulldg4life:
I heard he came out and unveiled his new campaign slogan "working hard brings freedom to the poor". I think they're going to shorten though.


The shortened version
 
2012-07-30 12:42:10 PM

Serious Black:

Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory lasts forever.


Thats what I'm counting on. I hope its a nice ugly scar that's a conversation starter, but not so ugly its a conversation stopper.

/was hoping for a hot (female) doctor or nurse in the hospital. Didn't happen.
//Still have hope for the physiotherapist.
 
2012-07-30 12:43:03 PM

DGS: And the right won't even notice. They'll talk about how it's different because Obama is a socialist and ignore the one they elect, because at least it won't be that pink black commie bleedin heart liberal fascist socialist kenyan muslin usurper.


FTFY
 
2012-07-30 12:43:51 PM
The guy is a chode.
 
2012-07-30 12:44:37 PM

Pincy: Masterstuff: Pincy: Why shouldn't he praise their health care system? It sounds similar to the great one he set up in Mass. as governor.

Done in one. Like it or not, Mitt is right on this one.

Oh, I forgot to add, he should be taking a lot of credit for Obamacare as well.


When it gets more popular because people realize that it's actually a good thing, he will. And he will claim he was never against it in the first place.
 
2012-07-30 12:44:48 PM

Bag of Hammers: Well, if Presidential candidate Romney picks Governor of Massachusetts Romney for VP, you could get both your prayers answered.


I can't wait for the post-debate episodes of The Daily Show. There is so much potential.
 
2012-07-30 12:45:51 PM

skullkrusher: "Israel spends less on health care because of a universal health system that requires everyone to have insurance."

Paying doctors poorly enough to make them quit probably has something to do with it too


You know who else felt they were entitled to the labor of others?
 
2012-07-30 12:47:19 PM

Grungehamster: The Palestinian remark won't offend anyone that matters. The idea that success is the product of inherent superiority and effort while failure is the result of being lazy and inferior is an assumption most people make. If Palestinians don't want to struggle they would actually try to succeed and become better people like the Israelis instead of playing the victim and being terrorists, right?


You would think Israel wouldn't be so quick to support someone with that mindset.
 
2012-07-30 12:47:21 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-30 12:47:54 PM

I alone am best: skullkrusher: "Israel spends less on health care because of a universal health system that requires everyone to have insurance."

Paying doctors poorly enough to make them quit probably has something to do with it too

You know who else felt they were entitled to the labor of others?


Liberals?
 
2012-07-30 12:48:26 PM

Grungehamster: The Palestinian remark won't offend anyone that matters. The idea that success is the product of inherent superiority and effort while failure is the result of being lazy and inferior is an assumption most people make. If Palestinians don't want to struggle they would actually try to succeed and become better people like the Israelis instead of playing the victim and being terrorists, right?


Honestly, I think this is what has a lot of people cheesed off about Obama's remarks with regards to the "you didn't build that" speech even though it doesn't get a lot of airtime. He added onto Elizabeth Warren's comments that everybody gets help to make it where they do in life by pointing out that many times, success is a product of dumb luck. We're a very egotistical culture, and having somebody tell you not only that you had help succeeding, but that you succeeded because you were lucky, really throws people's egos for a ride. Americans do NOT like being told they don't deserve success and merely got it because of a fluke.
 
2012-07-30 12:48:47 PM

NeoCortex42: You would think Israel wouldn't be so quick to support someone with that mindset.


well you would think that if you were ignoring the last 40 years or so
 
2012-07-30 12:49:12 PM

I alone am best: skullkrusher: "Israel spends less on health care because of a universal health system that requires everyone to have insurance."

Paying doctors poorly enough to make them quit probably has something to do with it too

You know who else felt they were entitled to the labor of others?


Slaveowners and feudal lords?
 
2012-07-30 12:49:34 PM

soporific: Pincy: Masterstuff: Pincy: Why shouldn't he praise their health care system? It sounds similar to the great one he set up in Mass. as governor.

Done in one. Like it or not, Mitt is right on this one.

Oh, I forgot to add, he should be taking a lot of credit for Obamacare as well.

When it gets more popular because people realize that it's actually a good thing, he will. And he will claim he was never against it in the first place.


Even Jimmy Carter would have called for Obamacare!
 
2012-07-30 12:49:58 PM

NeoCortex42: I alone am best: skullkrusher: "Israel spends less on health care because of a universal health system that requires everyone to have insurance."

Paying doctors poorly enough to make them quit probably has something to do with it too

You know who else felt they were entitled to the labor of others?

Liberals?


I was going to say plantation owners.
 
2012-07-30 12:50:34 PM
For your entertainment, yesterday's facebook post by a journalist friend of mine who went to cover his speech:

I'm home from the most incompetent and disorganized event I've ever covered or even attended in 7 years as a journalist or media director. Romney's public talk was organized at the tail end of a fast day in an outdoor venue, with a large group of guests, including elderly, standing in the hot sun waiting while security went one-by-one checking a list of perhaps 300.

The event was overbooked somehow, so organizers went about in the last day before the event cancelling invitations that had already been approved.

Some people, myself included, after being told that we were still on the list, only discovered that our invitation was canceled at the security line, and only after 50 minutes in which staff couldn't explain to us whether we were approved or not. I ended up walking away in disgust, together with several other people, including journalists.

In my own case, the organizer admitted "there was a mistake," but felt the solution to their mistake was to send the journalist home.

Mr. Romney, if this event was organized by your campaign, you are being poorly served.


tl:dr - event overbooked, invitations cancelled day before, more sent home day of after being told were on list and waiting in sun.
 
2012-07-30 12:50:38 PM

I alone am best: skullkrusher: "Israel spends less on health care because of a universal health system that requires everyone to have insurance."

Paying doctors poorly enough to make them quit probably has something to do with it too

You know who else felt they were entitled to the labor of others?


my wife?
 
2012-07-30 12:50:43 PM

Serious Black: Wouldn't it be the greatest trick in the world if Mitt Romney won the election and, immediately after being inaugurated, he ripped off his mask and shouted to the whole world "SURPRISE! I'm the reincarnation of Karl Marx!"




I've been spreading the whole "Romney is a secret Democrat front man for George Soros, so even if you vote for him the Demoncrats still win" meme over at Freep, so hopefully this picks up steam.
 
2012-07-30 12:50:45 PM
lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-07-30 12:52:20 PM

Grungehamster: The Palestinian remark won't offend anyone that matters.


This is true. Those comments changed nobody's minds on who to vote for.

The stupid comment that changed the most voter's minds was the one Romney made many months ago about how we should have let GM and Chrysler go bankrupt. He lost Ohio instantly due to that comment (he never really had a chance in Michigan). Without Ohio, it's going to be really hard for Romney to win.
 
2012-07-30 12:53:23 PM

Canyoudigit: x Mogwai x: So he insults the English on multiple occasions, retroactivly takes it back, tells Isreal he supports them bombing the snot out of Iran and again retracts his statements. I missed what happened on the trip to Poland. I was kinda hoping he'd use the Sex Pistols' "Belsen was a Gas" as entrance music or something. There's still time left I guess :-/

He hasn't been to Poland yet. So there is that to look forward to. I have confidence in Romney topping himself yet again.


Perhaps something about the ovens at Auschwitz being just the right height.
 
2012-07-30 12:54:04 PM

tjassen: Mr. Romney, if this event was organized by your campaign, you are being poorly served.


LOL. I think that's become pretty obvious in the past month.
 
2012-07-30 12:57:28 PM

tjassen: re Israeli health care system:

I live in Jerusalem.
Three week ago I broke my arm after being hit by a car while riding my bike.
I was taken by ambulance to the emergency room, xrayed, put in a cast and told to get checked out at my Kupat Holim (HMO) in a week and sent home. A week later showed up at the Kupa's orthopedic clinic without an appointment, waited an hour to see the doctor, got new xrays and was referred to one of the hospitals for surgery on my arm. Was admitted that night, (Sunday), Wednesday morning they did surgery to put in a plate to hold the bones together, released Friday with bandages, no cast. Tomorrow, 2 weeks after surgery, I'm getting the stitches out and my arm is in pretty good shape considering 3 weeks ago I was laying in the street with my upper arm bone in three pieces and pressure on the nerve.

Total cost to date: 29 shekels for the xrays at the clinic, and 600 shekels (appx. $150) for the ambulance ride, which just might get paid by either the National Insurance Institute (Social Security equivalent) or the guy that hit me's insurance. And physiotherapy is covered too.
I did have a "private" option for the surgery, but I would probably have ended up in the same hospital with the same doctors only I'd have to pay for it. Except I'd only have to pay 15% of the total cost up to slightly more than 5000 shekels. Not bad.

Yeah I pay for it out of my paycheck, and I add another $30 a month for added coverage, but thats still pretty damn good as far as I'm concerned.

/CSB
//Well, except for the part about breaking my arm, that wasn't so cool.


Another CSB:
When was studying abroad, I had a problem with my eye. Hopped a bus to the hospital around lunchtime, was seen right away, was handed a prescription, and came home in time for dinner.

I think I paid 50 shek (~$15) for the script, but $0 for everything else. I remember wondering how Israel had it figured out when the US charges you for your chair during the ER wait.
 
2012-07-30 12:59:02 PM

Nadie_AZ: I've read Why The West Rules - For Now, and it makes much more sense:

His 2010 book, Why the West Rules--For Now, compares East and West across the last 15,000 years, arguing that physical geography rather than culture, religion, politics, genetics, or great men explains Western domination of the globe. The Economist has called it "an important book-one that challenges, stimulates and entertains. Anyone who does not believe there are lessons to be learned from history should start here."[


Or, to put it more bluntly, the Mongol Empire aimed itself at the Middle East instead of Europe.
 
2012-07-30 01:00:08 PM
There are actual retarded people who can go longer without saying something retarded.
 
2012-07-30 01:00:50 PM

I alone am best: skullkrusher: "Israel spends less on health care because of a universal health system that requires everyone to have insurance."

Paying doctors poorly enough to make them quit probably has something to do with it too

You know who else felt they were entitled to the labor of others?


i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-30 01:01:30 PM

Bag of Hammers: The debates are going to be epic.


Given the number of gaffs, the Romney campaign is going to seriously dial back expectations for the debates; that way, if Romney doesn't come off as a complete moron he'll be declared the winner.
 
2012-07-30 01:05:57 PM

czei: Bag of Hammers: The debates are going to be epic.

Given the number of gaffs, the Romney campaign is going to seriously dial back expectations for the debates; that way, if Romney doesn't come off as a complete moron he'll be declared the winner.


[McCainWinsDebate.jpg]
 
2012-07-30 01:07:42 PM

Jackson Herring: ROBBLE ROBBLE, REPEAL AND REPLACE DAY ONE


Replace with what?
 
2012-07-30 01:08:58 PM

LectertheChef: Perhaps something about the ovens at Auschwitz being just the right height heat.

 
2012-07-30 01:09:04 PM

skullkrusher: "Israel spends less on health care because of a universal health system that requires everyone to have insurance."

Paying doctors poorly enough to make them quit probably has something to do with it too


Hmmm, and thus ensued a mass death of Israeli people?


Yeah, I didn't think so.
 
2012-07-30 01:10:04 PM

Alphakronik: skullkrusher: "Israel spends less on health care because of a universal health system that requires everyone to have insurance."

Paying doctors poorly enough to make them quit probably has something to do with it too

Hmmm, and thus ensued a mass death of Israeli people?


Yeah, I didn't think so.


what does that have to do with anything?

Nothing, that's what.
 
2012-07-30 01:15:25 PM

Dr Dreidel: tjassen: re Israeli health care system:

I live in Jerusalem.
Three week ago I broke my arm after being hit by a car while riding my bike.
I was taken by ambulance to the emergency room, xrayed, put in a cast and told to get checked out at my Kupat Holim (HMO) in a week and sent home. A week later showed up at the Kupa's orthopedic clinic without an appointment, waited an hour to see the doctor, got new xrays and was referred to one of the hospitals for surgery on my arm. Was admitted that night, (Sunday), Wednesday morning they did surgery to put in a plate to hold the bones together, released Friday with bandages, no cast. Tomorrow, 2 weeks after surgery, I'm getting the stitches out and my arm is in pretty good shape considering 3 weeks ago I was laying in the street with my upper arm bone in three pieces and pressure on the nerve.

Total cost to date: 29 shekels for the xrays at the clinic, and 600 shekels (appx. $150) for the ambulance ride, which just might get paid by either the National Insurance Institute (Social Security equivalent) or the guy that hit me's insurance. And physiotherapy is covered too.
I did have a "private" option for the surgery, but I would probably have ended up in the same hospital with the same doctors only I'd have to pay for it. Except I'd only have to pay 15% of the total cost up to slightly more than 5000 shekels. Not bad.

Yeah I pay for it out of my paycheck, and I add another $30 a month for added coverage, but thats still pretty damn good as far as I'm concerned.

/CSB
//Well, except for the part about breaking my arm, that wasn't so cool.

Another CSB:
When was studying abroad, I had a problem with my eye. Hopped a bus to the hospital around lunchtime, was seen right away, was handed a prescription, and came home in time for dinner.

I think I paid 50 shek (~$15) for the script, but $0 for everything else. I remember wondering how Israel had it figured out when the US charges you for your chair during the ER wait.


When I was in France on my honeymoon in the summer of 2000, I got a terrible case of food poisoning (live culture cheese is delicious, but watch out). My wife asked the front desk if there were any doctor's offices open, and they told her they would take care of it. Turns out, they called a local doctor who showed up to our room at 7:30 AM on a Sunday morning. He examined me for about 20 minutes, gave me a shot and a couple of prescriptions. I was nervous about what this would end up costing me, and asked if he knew anything about how it might work with my insurance. He said he didn't know and asked if it would be alright to charge me 80 Francs, or about $17.
 
2012-07-30 01:19:02 PM

czei: Bag of Hammers: The debates are going to be epic.

Given the number of gaffs, the Romney campaign is going to seriously dial back expectations for the debates; that way, if Romney doesn't come off as a complete moron he'll be declared the winner.


AKA The Palin effect
 
2012-07-30 01:21:33 PM

what_now: Jackson Herring: ROBBLE ROBBLE, REPEAL AND REPLACE DAY ONE

Replace with what?


Something a white guy came up with, presumably
 
2012-07-30 01:25:49 PM

Jackson Herring: what_now: Jackson Herring: ROBBLE ROBBLE, REPEAL AND REPLACE DAY ONE

Replace with what?

Something a white guy came up with, presumably


But, a white guy DID come up with it.
 
2012-07-30 01:27:36 PM
In between all his gaffes in the UK did he manage to make any comments on their health system?

/honest question.
 
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