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2012-07-30 12:03:14 PM
i lol'd at the rope one. also, speaking of pit ropes, if they've got a guy holding a rope that can stop a climber from falling, why doesn't that guy just pull on that rope to raise the climber over the gap (or at least help extend the jump)? that rope guy is a dick.
 
2012-07-30 12:31:48 PM
As I just saw TDKR this weekend, I was LOLing.
 
2012-07-30 12:43:03 PM
ok, I totally didn't realize that was Scarecrow judging people.
 
2012-07-30 12:46:17 PM

thomps: i lol'd at the rope one. also, speaking of pit ropes, if they've got a guy holding a rope that can stop a climber from falling, why doesn't that guy just pull on that rope to raise the climber over the gap (or at least help extend the jump)? that rope guy is a dick.


Is he actually holding the other end for counterbalance? I thought the rope was tied to that eyelet that it ran through. Otherwise, batman wouldn't have fallen all that way and snapped his spine out of place again (well, unless rope guy was just being a dick again).
I think he was just there for ceremony.
 
2012-07-30 02:11:59 PM
Maybe I was too drunk or just not paying attention but I don't get why there had to be a jump in order to climb out of the pit at all.
 
2012-07-30 02:21:43 PM

Mugato: Maybe I was too drunk or just not paying attention but I don't get why there had to be a jump in order to climb out of the pit at all.


Sort of like a video game. There was no direct way up. You had to climb up half way to the ledge. Jump to the other ledge- to make the way to the top.

The rope was there to offer false hope. It prevented you from reaching over the ledge.
 
2012-07-30 02:22:57 PM
I thought the explanation for why nobody would put the Bruce Wayne and the Batman deaths together was because Crane was executing the wealthy, so everyone assumed that Wayne was either killed at his house or executed by Crane's court.
 
2012-07-30 02:25:30 PM
I realize the final cafe scene was cinematic and all but couldn't Bruce have sent out a couple emails?

"Alfred: Alive. Later."

"Lucious: Fixed your autopilot. Alive. Later"

But he just left them hanging. Dick.
 
2012-07-30 02:47:18 PM
Nitpicking thread? And here we....go!
 
2012-07-30 02:51:18 PM
I liked the movie but the twist with the woman at the end was entirely unnecessary. It would have been better if Batman fought Bane to the death and Bane remained the boy in the pit. The truck could have been driven by any henchman. And the stab wound did nothing to hinder Batman anyway
 
2012-07-30 02:51:46 PM

thomps: i lol'd at the rope one. also, speaking of pit ropes, if they've got a guy holding a rope that can stop a climber from falling, why doesn't that guy just pull on that rope to raise the climber over the gap (or at least help extend the jump)? that rope guy is a dick.


This was written by the former editor of Comics Alliance who also climbs.
 
2012-07-30 02:53:31 PM

serial_crusher: ok, I totally didn't realize that was Scarecrow judging people.


The movie needed more Scarecrow, mainly because I love Cillian Murphy in the strongest, non-gay way possible.

Why use a great actor like Tom Hardy, then cover his face and alter his voice? They could have had Gilbert Gottfriend play Bain Capital.
 
2012-07-30 02:55:29 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: I liked the movie but the twist with the woman at the end was entirely unnecessary. It would have been better if Batman fought Bane to the death and Bane remained the boy in the pit. The truck could have been driven by any henchman. And the stab wound did nothing to hinder Batman anyway


I found the twist to be great as it fit with Batman canon. Batman fighting Bane to the death isn't good either as Batman doesn't kill people. That's Batman 101.
 
2012-07-30 02:59:11 PM
Cute. As for #10 "paralyzed subjects return to 'Peak fighting condition' within days", I guess they missed the part where it was ~5 months from the time Bruce Wayne was tossed into the pit to the time he escaped, which is enough time for a herniated disc to heal.
 
2012-07-30 03:01:06 PM

Teufelaffe: Cute. As for #10 "paralyzed subjects return to 'Peak fighting condition' within days", I guess they missed the part where it was ~5 months from the time Bruce Wayne was tossed into the pit to the time he escaped, which is enough time for a herniated disc to heal.


Yeah but they forgot about his leg that's been bad for 8 years.
 
2012-07-30 03:04:29 PM

Mugato: Teufelaffe: Cute. As for #10 "paralyzed subjects return to 'Peak fighting condition' within days", I guess they missed the part where it was ~5 months from the time Bruce Wayne was tossed into the pit to the time he escaped, which is enough time for a herniated disc to heal.

Yeah but they forgot about his leg that's been bad for 8 years.


He had that hydraulic leg thingy.
 
2012-07-30 03:07:27 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: He had that hydraulic leg thingy.


Not in the prison he didn't.
 
2012-07-30 03:07:58 PM

facisto: Contrabulous Flabtraption: I liked the movie but the twist with the woman at the end was entirely unnecessary. It would have been better if Batman fought Bane to the death and Bane remained the boy in the pit. The truck could have been driven by any henchman. And the stab wound did nothing to hinder Batman anyway

I found the twist to be great as it fit with Batman canon. Batman fighting Bane to the death isn't good either as Batman doesn't kill people. That's Batman 101.


How was it a twist? There had been reports of casting for Talia for a long time, and then in the middle of the movie while Bruce is in the pit you get information about Ras's child. Yes, the most direct revelation of it was from a hallucination, but you know they wouldn't have put it in the movie if it was going to be irrelevant.
 
2012-07-30 03:14:36 PM

spcMike: thomps: i lol'd at the rope one. also, speaking of pit ropes, if they've got a guy holding a rope that can stop a climber from falling, why doesn't that guy just pull on that rope to raise the climber over the gap (or at least help extend the jump)? that rope guy is a dick.

This was written by the former editor of Comics Alliance who also climbs.


I know next to nothing about climbing, but even I found those scenes to be disbelief-breaking.
 
2012-07-30 03:14:50 PM
The Joker one was funny, but somehow I don't think he'd be in a local jail. More like the psych wing of a maximum security federal prison.
 
2012-07-30 03:17:27 PM

Flappyhead: The Joker one was funny, but somehow I don't think he'd be in a local jail. More like the psych wing of a maximum security federal prison.


He's in Arkham Asylum and they never said that Bane released them.
 
2012-07-30 03:20:08 PM

Mugato: The All-Powerful Atheismo: He had that hydraulic leg thingy.

Not in the prison he didn't.


how do you know he didn't? Were his legs ever bare and both visible?
 
2012-07-30 03:20:15 PM

Flappyhead: The Joker one was funny, but somehow I don't think he'd be in a local jail. More like the psych wing of a maximum security federal prison.


1) Apparently he was in Arkham, which only had one prisoner. Him.
Everyone else was taken to Blackgate.

2) My wife turned to me during the rope scene and asked, "So is that just that guys' job? Standing there tying ropes on people all day. 'OH, I have a 4pm appointment for a rapist and 5pm for a murderer.'

3) Speaking of which, when Wayne throws the rope over after getting out, did he just release a bunch of killers and rapists on the city it's near? what a dick.

4) It's jail, he was a rich boy and can't move.
They totally raped him while he was hanging there.
 
2012-07-30 03:31:46 PM

Zombie DJ:
3) Speaking of which, when Wayne throws the rope over after getting out, did he just release a bunch of killers and rapists on the city it's near? what a dick.


Yeah, but they had hearts of gold...and of murder and rape
 
2012-07-30 03:33:32 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Zombie DJ:
3) Speaking of which, when Wayne throws the rope over after getting out, did he just release a bunch of killers and rapists on the city it's near? what a dick.

Yeah, but they had hearts of gold...and of murder and rape


He might have had the idea that even murderers didn't deserve to be in that type of place. Also, he may have liked rape.
 
2012-07-30 03:38:46 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Zombie DJ:
3) Speaking of which, when Wayne throws the rope over after getting out, did he just release a bunch of killers and rapists on the city it's near? what a dick.

Yeah, but they had hearts of gold...and of murder and rape

He might have had the idea that even murderers didn't deserve to be in that type of place. Also, he may have liked rape.


Most people do, despite what the LIBERAL MEDIA tells you
 
2012-07-30 03:39:03 PM
In the fight between batman and bane, I found the movie to be severly lacking in these.

www.cutegeek.com
 
2012-07-30 03:39:49 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Zombie DJ:
3) Speaking of which, when Wayne throws the rope over after getting out, did he just release a bunch of killers and rapists on the city it's near? what a dick.

Yeah, but they had hearts of gold...and of murder and rape

He might have had the idea that even murderers didn't deserve to be in that type of place. Also, he may have liked rape.


He did say "rape" twice.

Didn't somebody say "Its Bane's prison now."? Who knows who those prisoners are or what crimes they committed? Perhaps they were just people who go in Bane's way.
 
2012-07-30 03:40:01 PM

Zombie DJ: Flappyhead:
3) Speaking of which, when Wayne throws the rope over after getting out, did he just release a bunch of killers and rapists on the city it's near? what a dick.



I believe they mentioned it was Bane's prison now. So he was releasing Bane's enemies. Of course, he thougth Bane was the head of the League of Shadows, which was a group that executed prisoners in Batman Begins, so maybe he didn't think the plan through. On the other hand, that rope may have been attached to the safety rope that the prisoners were using, so maybe he trapped all the guys who had helped him down there and took away their hope of escape.
 
2012-07-30 03:40:34 PM
Am I the only one who thought this movie was actually kind of boring?
 
2012-07-30 03:40:46 PM
Why did Batman/Bruce Wayne have to live? He should have died and the whole you-thought-i-exploded-but-i-didn't-and-somehow-end-up-with-catwoman-a nd-alfred-saw-me-alive-at-the-cafe-so-everything-turned-out-okay was kind of dumb.

The whole rich chick who Bruce banged was really Ra's kid, Talia, and it was her who escaped the pit was a good twist.

If you like Tom Hardy rent or netflix "Bronson" his performance is right up there with Hopkins as Dr. Lector. Dude is freaking creepy!
 
2012-07-30 03:45:16 PM

I am Wee Todd Ed: The whole rich chick who Bruce banged was really Ra's kid, Talia, and it was her who escaped the pit was a good twist.


In retrospect, that wasn't much of a twist if you were paying attention to the dialogue.

Everyone assumed that it was Bane that escaped, but Bane himself told Batman at their fight in the sewers that he didn't see light until he was a man. The one that escaped the pit was a child.
 
2012-07-30 03:46:55 PM
I was so confused. At first I hated the cops, because they were corrupt. Except for a few good cops. Then, I found myself cheering for the cops as they marched down the alley in a large mass into the teeth of the automatic weapons. Luckily, the bad guys were poor shots and only a few cops got hit.
 
2012-07-30 03:48:41 PM

I am Wee Todd Ed: Why did Batman/Bruce Wayne have to live?

 
2012-07-30 03:49:44 PM
www.coverslike.com
 
2012-07-30 03:53:02 PM

facisto: Batman fighting Bane to the death isn't good either as Batman doesn't kill people. That's Batman 101.


Correct. He only:

1. Drives and flies military hardware with explosive, high caliber ordinance that he uses to attack things
2. Throws super sharp piece of metal around and people
3. Uses explosives as a distraction or to create a convenient door
4. Uses explosives to destroy cop cars with cops in them
5. Uses explosives to destroy parts of buildings without looking for civilians below
6. Drugs people of different biometric profiles with the same dosages of drugs
7. Puts people in the hospital with extra-legal beatings

But killing? *no way*. That just crosses a line.
 
2012-07-30 04:15:30 PM

facisto: Contrabulous Flabtraption: I liked the movie but the twist with the woman at the end was entirely unnecessary. It would have been better if Batman fought Bane to the death and Bane remained the boy in the pit. The truck could have been driven by any henchman. And the stab wound did nothing to hinder Batman anyway

I found the twist to be great as it fit with Batman canon. Batman fighting Bane to the death isn't good either as Batman doesn't kill people. That's Batman 101.


It's kind of hard to cite the 'twist' as good because it's canon and then state Batman doesn't kill people as Batman 101 since that's not accurate either in canon or non-canon. Like the whole "Batman never uses a gun thing." He attempts to avoid doing so, but so does about every other DC superhero out there. The only reason it's ever made an issue with Batman is he seems like someoen that would be more inclined to off a perp now and then. Why? Because he has no problem at all crippling them, endangering children via the Robins, endangering Gotham citizens as a whole with explosives, etc.

I just loved him on the Batpod in TDK blazing away with the canons in a traffic jam blowing up cards left and right to make a path for himself. Yep, he's completely opposed to killing anyone.
 
2012-07-30 04:27:04 PM

facisto: Batman fighting Bane to the death isn't good either as Batman doesn't kill people. That's Batman 101.


You should tell Batman that, he straight up shoots the shiat out of that truck driver in the end with the guns on the Bat-pod.

The rope didn't fix Wayne, it was that palm strike to the spine. Everyone knows that's how chiropractic medicine works.
 
2012-07-30 04:30:59 PM

Mugato: Teufelaffe: Cute. As for #10 "paralyzed subjects return to 'Peak fighting condition' within days", I guess they missed the part where it was ~5 months from the time Bruce Wayne was tossed into the pit to the time he escaped, which is enough time for a herniated disc to heal.

Yeah but they forgot about his leg that's been bad for 8 years.


I have had a herniated disc, but have never had a "vertebrae sticking out of my skin". I did notice it was 5 months, but still 5 months to go from cripple to better than you were before. Add to that the fact that he wasn't working out and training the whole time he was gone. It is ridiculous and probably the single dumbest thing in any Nolan movie. Face it, Nolan phoned it in.
 
2012-07-30 04:31:26 PM
I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie
 
2012-07-30 04:33:09 PM

Tad_Waxpole: Am I the only one who thought this movie was actually kind of boring?


Yes and no....I think they could have started the move like 45 minutes in and not lost anything. Basically start the movie at the wall street heist. With Bane's attacks on Gotham drawing out batman after he sees that the police is no match for this guy.
 
2012-07-30 04:38:52 PM

spcMike: thomps: i lol'd at the rope one. also, speaking of pit ropes, if they've got a guy holding a rope that can stop a climber from falling, why doesn't that guy just pull on that rope to raise the climber over the gap (or at least help extend the jump)? that rope guy is a dick.

This was written by the former editor of Comics Alliance who also climbs.


The anchor point was well below the ledge. After that point you need slack, the distance Bruce falls being equal to the amount of slack needed to reach the ledge. It kept them alive and offered hope... Nothing more.
 
2012-07-30 04:40:25 PM

Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie


Me too. No idea why liberals are comparing Bane to Romney. The whole movie was anti-leftist.
 
2012-07-30 04:42:21 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie

Me too. No idea why liberals are comparing Bane to Romney. The whole movie was anti-leftist.


Heck all three movies have had right wing, authoritarian overtones.
 
2012-07-30 04:43:06 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Me too. No idea why liberals are comparing Bane to Romney. The whole movie was anti-leftist.


My buddy didn't pick up on it. I couldn't believe it, I mean it was obvious. I laughed HARD
 
2012-07-30 04:48:48 PM

facisto: Contrabulous Flabtraption: I liked the movie but the twist with the woman at the end was entirely unnecessary. It would have been better if Batman fought Bane to the death and Bane remained the boy in the pit. The truck could have been driven by any henchman. And the stab wound did nothing to hinder Batman anyway

I found the twist to be great as it fit with Batman canon. Batman fighting Bane to the death isn't good either as Batman doesn't kill people. That's Batman 101.


I thought it was great But fr a different reason. He tells Selina he believes there is good in her and puts his trust in her. Her coming back validates this trust... Validates putting so much on the line for the "good" in the people of Gotham. Plus... Dat ass needed more screen time.
 
2012-07-30 04:50:19 PM

KFBR392: Tad_Waxpole: Am I the only one who thought this movie was actually kind of boring?

Yes and no....I think they could have started the move like 45 minutes in and not lost anything. Basically start the movie at the wall street heist. With Bane's attacks on Gotham drawing out batman after he sees that the police is no match for this guy.


Right about the point in TDK where they have the ferry scene I started thinking, "We get it, can we get on with the ending." I started feeling that much much sooner with TDKR.

The movie wasn't boring to me as much as it just felt too long because it tried to do too much if that makes sense. I think all three are about the same length, but I can watch BB over and over again, whereas TDK has worn on me over time. TDKR simply wasn't a tight script. I'm not talking about plotholes or nitpicky shiat either. Just too many characters doing too many things without a really strong relation between them all.

It's about what I expected to be honest though. When I saw the list of characters they were adding...all of which needed to have an arc contained within a single movie...and then all those returning that needed their arcs tied up I just had a bad feeling.

Then again, wrapping up any trilogy and making everyone happy is basically an impossible task, particularly where the first two movies did so well and people would probably like up to see 10 more of them if he kept making them.
 
2012-07-30 04:54:42 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Me too. No idea why liberals are comparing Bane to Romney. The whole movie was anti-leftist.


Rush Limbaugh's the only idiot I heard who did that.
 
2012-07-30 04:56:06 PM

Tat'dGreaser: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Me too. No idea why liberals are comparing Bane to Romney. The whole movie was anti-leftist.

My buddy didn't pick up on it. I couldn't believe it, I mean it was obvious. I laughed HARD


True, but it wasn't exactly flattering of the whole right wing approach either. Batman torturing Joker in the jail cell got him disinformation that led to a blown up Rachel and burned up Harvey. A fact that was lost on most right wingers that just adored that scene when the movie came out.
 
2012-07-30 04:56:58 PM

Shrugging Atlas: True, but it wasn't exactly flattering of the whole right wing approach either. Batman torturing Joker in the jail cell got him disinformation that led to a blown up Rachel and burned up Harvey. A fact that was lost on most right wingers that just adored that scene when the movie came out.


Joker told him the wrong location of each because he wanted him to know Rachael died
 
2012-07-30 04:57:45 PM

Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie



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2012-07-30 04:58:35 PM

BafflerMeal: Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie


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You should probably go watch it again
 
2012-07-30 05:00:29 PM

Tat'dGreaser: Shrugging Atlas: True, but it wasn't exactly flattering of the whole right wing approach either. Batman torturing Joker in the jail cell got him disinformation that led to a blown up Rachel and burned up Harvey. A fact that was lost on most right wingers that just adored that scene when the movie came out.

Joker told him the wrong location of each because he wanted him to know Rachael died


So vote Dent?
 
2012-07-30 05:02:22 PM
The more I think of it, Bane crashing the plane in an attempt to cover up the fact that he had snatched Dr Pavel makes no farking sense. What's the point of the blood transfusion when they'll certainly find body parts before they find blood? A plane full of bullet holes is probably going to raise some suspicions too. Also, I guess CIA planes don't have radar and fly slower than a cargo plane.
 
2012-07-30 05:02:43 PM

Waxing_Chewbacca: So vote Dent?


Look I'm not saying that scene was a beacon of pro-torture. What I got out of that scene was Joker is a complete madman that you just can't break. He got the sh*t kicked out of him, still laughed in his face and even still gave him the wrong address because he knew he would try and save his girl.

That just made him seem that more twisted
 
2012-07-30 05:02:46 PM

BafflerMeal: Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie


Yup
 
2012-07-30 05:03:29 PM
Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make me a troll. Other people feel the same way
 
2012-07-30 05:04:29 PM

BafflerMeal: Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie


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The entire premise was that without wealth and authority, common people will immediately take to violence and depravity. Without a figure who will take measures more pacifist types refuse, society will destroy itself. Bane was pretty much the physical manifestation of the extreme end of the Occupy movement. Hell, you could argue fairly easily that Batman is an allegorical George W. Bush
 
2012-07-30 05:04:59 PM

Tat'dGreaser: Waxing_Chewbacca: So vote Dent?

Look I'm not saying that scene was a beacon of pro-torture. What I got out of that scene was Joker is a complete madman that you just can't break. He got the sh*t kicked out of him, still laughed in his face and even still gave him the wrong address because he knew he would try and save his girl.

That just made him seem that more twisted


Exactly. Nothing political. Just a great scene.
 
2012-07-30 05:06:59 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: BafflerMeal: Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie


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The entire premise was that without wealth and authority, common people will immediately take to violence and depravity. Without a figure who will take measures more pacifist types refuse, society will destroy itself. Bane was pretty much the physical manifestation of the extreme end of the Occupy movement. Hell, you could argue fairly easily that Batman is an allegorical George W. Bush


Don't we get enough of this I'm the political tab? Batman as W? Really?
 
2012-07-30 05:09:08 PM

Wellon Dowd: serial_crusher: ok, I totally didn't realize that was Scarecrow judging people.

The movie needed more Scarecrow, mainly because I love Cillian Murphy in the strongest, non-gay way possible.

Why use a great actor like Tom Hardy, then cover his face and alter his voice? They could have had Gilbert Gottfriend play Bain Capital.


Then you would have ended up with a typical horror movie slasher instead of an actual character. I thought Hardy did a great job of conveying actual menace by just using his eyes and body language. It reminded me a lot of Ed Norton's performance as the leper king in Kingdom of Heaven or Jackie Haley's Rorshach in Watchmen.

Actors like a challenge, and trying to make a believable character without showing your face seems to be a pretty good one.
 
2012-07-30 05:09:17 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: The entire premise was that without wealth and authority, common people will immediately take to violence and depravity. Without a figure who will take measures more pacifist types refuse, society will destroy itself.


With no cops and no military, yes a lot of people would go batshiat insane. I don't see how that's a political view for one side or another.
 
2012-07-30 05:11:41 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: BafflerMeal: Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie


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The entire premise was that without wealth and authority, common people will immediately take to violence and depravity. Without a figure who will take measures more pacifist types refuse, society will destroy itself. Bane was pretty much the physical manifestation of the extreme end of the Occupy movement. Hell, you could argue fairly easily that Batman is an allegorical George W. Bush


Of course, by the end of the movie (hell, even the middle of the movie), Bruce Wayne was essentially destitute. He had his house and all the Batman stuff, but he's certainly not wealthy (couldn't even afford electricity) and he had no real authority outside of being the Batman (which Bane took from him for a while, as well).
 
2012-07-30 05:13:57 PM

Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie


Bane lied about his true motives and helped implement a fascistic state in Gotham. Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what OWS is all about...in Bizarro World.

Let me guess, you also think the government of North Korea is a Democracy because they have "Democratic" in their name, right?
 
2012-07-30 05:15:24 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: The entire premise was that without wealth and authority, common people will immediately take to violence and depravity. Without a figure who will take measures more pacifist types refuse, society will destroy itself. Bane was pretty much the physical manifestation of the extreme end of the Occupy movement. Hell, you could argue fairly easily that Batman is an allegorical George W. Bush


And Alfred is pretty clearly Oliver North.

Mugato: With no cops and no military, yes a lot of people would go batshiat insane.


Well, there's also the whole "Bane's Army" thing. I didn't really like how the movie shied away from really saying if the Gotham underclasses rose up and joined the army, just kind of enjoyed the party, or stayed in their houses like most of the regular...Gothamites? Goths?

The second and third acts could have been made a lot more morally ambiguous were Bane's army mostly average people instead of mercenaries and prisoners.
 
2012-07-30 05:16:07 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie

Bane lied about his true motives and helped implement a fascistic state in Gotham. Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what OWS is all about...in Bizarro World.

Let me guess, you also think the government of North Korea is a Democracy because they have "Democratic" in their name, right?


www.bill-wink.com
 
2012-07-30 05:18:49 PM

I am Wee Todd Ed: If you like Tom Hardy rent or netflix "Bronson" his performance is right up there with Hopkins as Dr. Lector. Dude is freaking creepy!


Absolutely. He was SO underused in Batman. Even though Bronson isn't that great a movie, Hardy should have gotten an Oscar nod for his portrayal. He was unbelievable.

I swear I may be the only person in the world who was totally underwhelmed by Dark Knight Rises. In the same way I was underwhelmed by Batman Begins. I think the reason I enjoyed Dark Knight so much was because the Joker was a great character. I just don't find Bruce Wayne interesting. Anne Hathaway was good but she was underused as well.

Even the story I found cheesey. At the end of it, I was trying to hold in giggles in how stupid it was getting.
 
2012-07-30 05:18:58 PM

RexTalionis: but he's certainly not wealthy (couldn't even afford electricity)


That was a little retarded. They shut off his electricity the same day he went broke.
 
2012-07-30 05:20:26 PM

facisto: Contrabulous Flabtraption: I liked the movie but the twist with the woman at the end was entirely unnecessary. It would have been better if Batman fought Bane to the death and Bane remained the boy in the pit. The truck could have been driven by any henchman. And the stab wound did nothing to hinder Batman anyway

I found the twist to be great as it fit with Batman canon. Batman fighting Bane to the death isn't good either as Batman doesn't kill people. That's Batman 101.


This. Talia is a pretty important character in Batman's history (i.e., she might have had his baby). I was glad to see her worked into these movies and was genuinely surprised when she "appeared" in TDKR.
 
2012-07-30 05:20:42 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Carlo Spicy-Wiener: Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie

Bane lied about his true motives and helped implement a fascistic state in Gotham. Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what OWS is all about...in Bizarro World.

Let me guess, you also think the government of North Korea is a Democracy because they have "Democratic" in their name, right?

[www.bill-wink.com image 394x435]


It's pretty rare to see the Yellow-Bellied Both Sides Are Bad argument outside of its natural habitat, the Politics tab.
 
2012-07-30 05:21:44 PM

Tat'dGreaser: Shrugging Atlas: True, but it wasn't exactly flattering of the whole right wing approach either. Batman torturing Joker in the jail cell got him disinformation that led to a blown up Rachel and burned up Harvey. A fact that was lost on most right wingers that just adored that scene when the movie came out.

Joker told him the wrong location of each because he wanted him to know Rachael died


The point being 'enhanced interrogation' doesn't produce the desired results when the subject hasn't a fark to give about the consequences.
 
2012-07-30 05:21:46 PM

Mugato: Contrabulous Flabtraption: The entire premise was that without wealth and authority, common people will immediately take to violence and depravity. Without a figure who will take measures more pacifist types refuse, society will destroy itself.

With no cops and no military, yes a lot of people would go batshiat insane. I don't see how that's a political view for one side or another.


I thought, if there was any political message, it was to be wary of anyone spewing overt populism, because usually, it is very insincere.
 
2012-07-30 05:27:58 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Tat'dGreaser: Shrugging Atlas: True, but it wasn't exactly flattering of the whole right wing approach either. Batman torturing Joker in the jail cell got him disinformation that led to a blown up Rachel and burned up Harvey. A fact that was lost on most right wingers that just adored that scene when the movie came out.

Joker told him the wrong location of each because he wanted him to know Rachael died

The point being 'enhanced interrogation' doesn't produce the desired results when the subject hasn't a fark to give about the consequences.


Worked for catching Osama Bin Laden.
 
2012-07-30 05:30:49 PM
My interpretation of the movie - even in the face of madness and anarchy, good people who are oppressed will ultimately rise up and be the hero that Gotham needed.

Example:

Selina Kyle - she steals, she kills, and she's always concerned about her own well-being - but when the time and circumstances came about, she rose up above her past.

John Blake - beat cop rises up from poverty as an orphaned at-risk kid to fight as a revolutionary with the Batman, and eventually rises to become the Batman's successor.

Foley (Matthew Modine's character) - a political opportunist who, when the time came, rose above it and stood on the frontlines against Bane in his dress blues.

That boardmember from Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises who volunteered: Guy was terrified, but he willingly volunteer his safety to go with Bane to activate the fusion bomb.

Bruce Wayne: He went from wealthy and powerful as a billionaire and the Batman to a destitute cripple, yet he still rises to face Bane, despite the fact that he was greatly diminished.

Of course, Talia and Bane also rose, but they rose from a different perspective. In the end, Bane was right - the fire rises, but he wasn't the bringer of flame like he thought.

I think TDKR was also a counterpoint to The Dark Knight's ferry scene. Instead of merely saying that people are inherently good, it's saying that some people can rise from merely being inherently good to being great.

At least, that's my perspective on the movie. The whole thing is a metaphor on people who'd step up and rise up to the challenge. Not very political in my view.

My two cents, anyway, take it for what it is.
 
2012-07-30 05:31:38 PM

thomps: i lol'd at the rope one. also, speaking of pit ropes, if they've got a guy holding a rope that can stop a climber from falling, why doesn't that guy just pull on that rope to raise the climber over the gap (or at least help extend the jump)? that rope guy is a dick.


Looked to me like the anchor point for the rope was below the ledge where you have to make the leap. At that point, the rope only exists to catch you when you fall, not to aid your climb.
 
2012-07-30 05:32:18 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: BafflerMeal: Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie


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The entire premise was that without wealth and authority, common people will immediately take to violence and depravity. Without a figure who will take measures more pacifist types refuse, society will destroy itself. Bane was pretty much the physical manifestation of the (1.) extreme end of the Occupy movement. Hell, you could argue fairly easily that (2.) Batman is an allegorical George W. Bush



1. Citation needed.

2. Absolutely. If you simply add cowardice, incompetence, childish stupidity, ignorance, selfishness, disdainful arrogance, incompetence, and cowardice to Batman, you're spot on, jackass!
 
2012-07-30 05:32:23 PM

RexTalionis: My interpretation of the movie - even in the face of madness and anarchy, good people who are oppressed will ultimately rise up and be the hero that Gotham needed.

Example:

Selina Kyle - she steals, she kills, and she's always concerned about her own well-being - but when the time and circumstances came about, she rose up above her past.

John Blake - beat cop rises up from poverty as an orphaned at-risk kid to fight as a revolutionary with the Batman, and eventually rises to become the Batman's successor.

Foley (Matthew Modine's character) - a political opportunist who, when the time came, rose above it and stood on the frontlines against Bane in his dress blues.

That boardmember from Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises who volunteered: Guy was terrified, but he willingly volunteer his safety to go with Bane to activate the fusion bomb.

Bruce Wayne: He went from wealthy and powerful as a billionaire and the Batman to a destitute cripple, yet he still rises to face Bane, despite the fact that he was greatly diminished.

Of course, Talia and Bane also rose, but they rose from a different perspective. In the end, Bane was right - the fire rises, but he wasn't the bringer of flame like he thought.

I think TDKR was also a counterpoint to The Dark Knight's ferry scene. Instead of merely saying that people are inherently good, it's saying that some people can rise from merely being inherently good to being great.

At least, that's my perspective on the movie. The whole thing is a metaphor on people who'd step up and rise up to the challenge. Not very political in my view.

My two cents, anyway, take it for what it is.


To me you nailed it. Well said.
 
2012-07-30 05:33:43 PM

beta_plus: Shrugging Atlas: Tat'dGreaser: Shrugging Atlas: True, but it wasn't exactly flattering of the whole right wing approach either. Batman torturing Joker in the jail cell got him disinformation that led to a blown up Rachel and burned up Harvey. A fact that was lost on most right wingers that just adored that scene when the movie came out.

Joker told him the wrong location of each because he wanted him to know Rachael died

The point being 'enhanced interrogation' doesn't produce the desired results when the subject hasn't a fark to give about the consequences.

Worked for catching Osama Bin Laden.


Oh god, please don't start that shiat in here.
 
2012-07-30 05:35:10 PM

Stile4aly: thomps: i lol'd at the rope one. also, speaking of pit ropes, if they've got a guy holding a rope that can stop a climber from falling, why doesn't that guy just pull on that rope to raise the climber over the gap (or at least help extend the jump)? that rope guy is a dick.

Looked to me like the anchor point for the rope was below the ledge where you have to make the leap. At that point, the rope only exists to catch you when you fall, not to aid your climb.


Said this earlier. Otherwise you just hoist a guy up. The distance Bruce falls is equal to the distance from the anchor point to the ledge above. The rope saves you from dying and not much more. That way you live with the slim hope of escape but likely never do.
 
2012-07-30 05:36:39 PM

beta_plus: Shrugging Atlas: Tat'dGreaser: Shrugging Atlas: True, but it wasn't exactly flattering of the whole right wing approach either. Batman torturing Joker in the jail cell got him disinformation that led to a blown up Rachel and burned up Harvey. A fact that was lost on most right wingers that just adored that scene when the movie came out.

Joker told him the wrong location of each because he wanted him to know Rachael died

The point being 'enhanced interrogation' doesn't produce the desired results when the subject hasn't a fark to give about the consequences.

Worked for catching Osama Bin Laden.


/ so vote ignore?

// ok
 
2012-07-30 05:38:02 PM
Here's the thematic arc of the trilogy in my view:

Batman Begins - A man can be good in a world that's evil.

The Dark Knight - The people are inherently good.

The Dark Knight Rises - Some people can rise up and be great.
 
2012-07-30 05:38:45 PM

Teufelaffe: beta_plus: Shrugging Atlas: Tat'dGreaser: Shrugging Atlas: True, but it wasn't exactly flattering of the whole right wing approach either. Batman torturing Joker in the jail cell got him disinformation that led to a blown up Rachel and burned up Harvey. A fact that was lost on most right wingers that just adored that scene when the movie came out.

Joker told him the wrong location of each because he wanted him to know Rachael died

The point being 'enhanced interrogation' doesn't produce the desired results when the subject hasn't a fark to give about the consequences.

Worked for catching Osama Bin Laden.

Oh god, please don't start that shiat in here.


I'm just saying that Batman was clearly supposed to be Obama.
 
2012-07-30 05:39:22 PM

Mugato: RexTalionis: but he's certainly not wealthy (couldn't even afford electricity)

That was a little retarded. They shut off his electricity the same day he went broke.


It makes sense when in a world where the stock exchange gets held up and Batman makes his return, the front page story is Wayne going broke.
 
2012-07-30 05:39:39 PM
 
2012-07-30 05:44:59 PM

RexTalionis: Contrabulous Flabtraption: BafflerMeal: Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie


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The entire premise was that without wealth and authority, common people will immediately take to violence and depravity. Without a figure who will take measures more pacifist types refuse, society will destroy itself. Bane was pretty much the physical manifestation of the extreme end of the Occupy movement. Hell, you could argue fairly easily that Batman is an allegorical George W. Bush

Of course, by the end of the movie (hell, even the middle of the movie), Bruce Wayne was essentially destitute. He had his house and all the Batman stuff, but he's certainly not wealthy (couldn't even afford electricity) and he had no real authority outside of being the Batman (which Bane took from him for a while, as well).


Wouldn't Wayne Manor eventually end up being taken by the Gotham city government for non payment of estate taxes? I mean, the guy couldn't pay his power bill.
 
2012-07-30 05:48:07 PM

Wellon Dowd: The movie needed more Scarecrow, mainly because I love Cillian Murphy in the strongest, non-gay way possible.


Really? How is it in your fan club of one? We've already got too many actors who play one character for every role, certainly don't need any more.
 
2012-07-30 05:49:55 PM
Also, I don't know if it was intentional, but did anyone notice that the occupation figuratively controlled by Fear (i.e. Scarecrow, the master of the Court) and Hatred (Bane)?
 
2012-07-30 05:50:16 PM

Waxing_Chewbacca: Stile4aly: thomps: i lol'd at the rope one. also, speaking of pit ropes, if they've got a guy holding a rope that can stop a climber from falling, why doesn't that guy just pull on that rope to raise the climber over the gap (or at least help extend the jump)? that rope guy is a dick.

Looked to me like the anchor point for the rope was below the ledge where you have to make the leap. At that point, the rope only exists to catch you when you fall, not to aid your climb.

Said this earlier. Otherwise you just hoist a guy up. The distance Bruce falls is equal to the distance from the anchor point to the ledge above. The rope saves you from dying and not much more. That way you live with the slim hope of escape but likely never do.


Unless you strap a plank to yourself and lay it across the gap.
 
2012-07-30 05:54:09 PM

Tat'dGreaser: Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make me a troll. Other people feel the same way


Let's just ask Christopher Nolan.

If you're saying, "Have you made a film that's supposed to be criticizing the Occupy Wall Street movement?" - well, obviously, that's not true.
 
2012-07-30 05:57:49 PM
Waxing_Chewbacca:

/ so vote ignore?

// ok

I know that people usually say negative things about the "Ignore" button but I'll be damned if it doesn't make these threads so much more pleasant.

I know there are roaring dick holes out there and don't need to be reminded of it every time I visit a website to read funny and/or intelligent comments.
 
2012-07-30 05:58:31 PM
Oops.

Sorry.
 
2012-07-30 05:58:59 PM

SpoilerAlert: Waxing_Chewbacca: Stile4aly: thomps: i lol'd at the rope one. also, speaking of pit ropes, if they've got a guy holding a rope that can stop a climber from falling, why doesn't that guy just pull on that rope to raise the climber over the gap (or at least help extend the jump)? that rope guy is a dick.

Looked to me like the anchor point for the rope was below the ledge where you have to make the leap. At that point, the rope only exists to catch you when you fall, not to aid your climb.

Said this earlier. Otherwise you just hoist a guy up. The distance Bruce falls is equal to the distance from the anchor point to the ledge above. The rope saves you from dying and not much more. That way you live with the slim hope of escape but likely never do.

Unless you strap a plank to yourself and lay it across the gap.


Home Depot has been expanding... It's possible.
 
2012-07-30 06:01:31 PM

cousin-merle: Tat'dGreaser: Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make me a troll. Other people feel the same way

Let's just ask Christopher Nolan.

If you're saying, "Have you made a film that's supposed to be criticizing the Occupy Wall Street movement?" - well, obviously, that's not true.


The Nolans are trolling you. For crying out loud, they cast at least two actors from The Wire in TDKR.
 
2012-07-30 06:04:15 PM

Cargo: Waxing_Chewbacca:

/ so vote ignore?

// ok

I know that people usually say negative things about the "Ignore" button but I'll be damned if it doesn't make these threads so much more pleasant.

I know there are roaring dick holes out there and don't need to be reminded of it every time I visit a website to read funny and/or intelligent comments.


Exactly... Some I leave alone as they usually don't tread beyond the political tab or they are generally trying to make a point I disagree with. Which is fine and I like to hear other points of view. The one I just ignored does neither and I'd been remiss in not doing it earlier, thereby continuing to give myself a popsicle headache after reading his posts.
 
2012-07-30 06:10:23 PM

beta_plus: cousin-merle: Tat'dGreaser: Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make me a troll. Other people feel the same way

Let's just ask Christopher Nolan.

If you're saying, "Have you made a film that's supposed to be criticizing the Occupy Wall Street movement?" - well, obviously, that's not true.

The Nolans are trolling you. For crying out loud, they cast at least two actors from The Wire in TDKR.


Principal photography on The Dark Knight Rises finished on November 14, 2011.
The Occupy Wall Street protests began on September 17, 2011.

So, your argument is that in less than two months, Nolan made the necessary re-writes and re-shoots in order to make TDKR about OWS?
 
2012-07-30 06:27:44 PM

Teufelaffe: beta_plus: cousin-merle: Tat'dGreaser: Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make me a troll. Other people feel the same way

Let's just ask Christopher Nolan.

If you're saying, "Have you made a film that's supposed to be criticizing the Occupy Wall Street movement?" - well, obviously, that's not true.

The Nolans are trolling you. For crying out loud, they cast at least two actors from The Wire in TDKR.

Principal photography on The Dark Knight Rises finished on November 14, 2011.
The Occupy Wall Street protests began on September 17, 2011.

So, your argument is that in less than two months, Nolan made the necessary re-writes and re-shoots in order to make TDKR about OWS?


Not to mention, re-configured the budget to accomodate new sets, props, and costumes for hundreds of extras.
It's an interesting coincidence, but it is just that, a coincidence.

Although he may have taken some inspiration from the WTO protesters.
 
2012-07-30 06:30:50 PM
I thought it would have worked better if batman wasnt quite able to defuse the bomb and everything got vaporized.
 
2012-07-30 06:31:19 PM

Kurmudgeon: Wellon Dowd: The movie needed more Scarecrow, mainly because I love Cillian Murphy in the strongest, non-gay way possible.

Really? How is it in your fan club of one? We've already got too many actors who play one character for every role, certainly don't need any more.


We're not lumping a Bree Olson in there right? I like the character she played in every movie. A lot.
 
2012-07-30 06:32:40 PM

mikefinch: I thought it would have worked better if batman wasnt quite able to defuse the bomb and everything got vaporized.


Will you settle for everyone in the city dying of brain cancer in 6 months from the radiation?
 
2012-07-30 06:33:20 PM
Chances we see a Robin movie, anyone?
 
2012-07-30 06:38:02 PM

Cargo: Contrabulous Flabtraption: BafflerMeal: Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie


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The entire premise was that without wealth and authority, common people will immediately take to violence and depravity. Without a figure who will take measures more pacifist types refuse, society will destroy itself. Bane was pretty much the physical manifestation of the (1.) extreme end of the Occupy movement. Hell, you could argue fairly easily that (2.) Batman is an allegorical George W. Bush


1. Citation needed.

2. Absolutely. If you simply add cowardice, incompetence, childish stupidity, ignorance, selfishness, disdainful arrogance, incompetence, and cowardice to Batman, you're spot on, jackass!


images.t-nation.com

It's just a batman movie f*cktwat
 
2012-07-30 06:40:09 PM

ODDwhun: Mugato: Teufelaffe: Cute. As for #10 "paralyzed subjects return to 'Peak fighting condition' within days", I guess they missed the part where it was ~5 months from the time Bruce Wayne was tossed into the pit to the time he escaped, which is enough time for a herniated disc to heal.

Yeah but they forgot about his leg that's been bad for 8 years.

I have had a herniated disc, but have never had a "vertebrae sticking out of my skin". I did notice it was 5 months, but still 5 months to go from cripple to better than you were before. Add to that the fact that he wasn't working out and training the whole time he was gone. It is ridiculous and probably the single dumbest thing in any Nolan movie. Face it, Nolan phoned it in.


Did you even watch the movie? He trained so hard inside the pit that he even got a Rocky montage.
Everybody knows you get supreme fighting skills after you do a Rocky montage.
 
2012-07-30 06:40:49 PM

Waxing_Chewbacca: Chances we see a Robin movie, anyone?


I think they'll wait a few years and reboot the whole thing. Maybe with a universe where the Justice League fits in (because the other DC characters are so successful as movies).
 
2012-07-30 06:43:53 PM

rocky_howard: Did you even watch the movie? He trained so hard inside the pit that he even got a Rocky montage.
Everybody knows you get supreme fighting skills after you do a Rocky montage.


Hallucination Apollo Creed beat up Hallucination Ra's al Ghul and he and Wayne ran along Hallucination Beach together.
 
2012-07-30 06:46:11 PM
facisto: Contrabulous Flabtraption: I liked the movie but the twist with the woman at the end was entirely unnecessary. It would have been better if Batman fought Bane to the death and Bane remained the boy in the pit. The truck could have been driven by any henchman. And the stab wound did nothing to hinder Batman anyway

I found the twist to be great as it fit with Batman canon. Batman fighting Bane to the death isn't good either as Batman doesn't kill people. That's Batman 101.


Except the driver of the nuke truck and Talia?

???
 
2012-07-30 06:47:29 PM

Mugato: I think they'll wait a few years and reboot the whole thing. Maybe with a universe where the Justice League fits in (because the other DC characters are so successful as movies).


There's already talk of a Batman reboot in the next few years as part of a Justice League tie in.
 
2012-07-30 06:49:28 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Cargo: Contrabulous Flabtraption: BafflerMeal: Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie


[4.bp.blogspot.com image 469x428]

The entire premise was that without wealth and authority, common people will immediately take to violence and depravity. Without a figure who will take measures more pacifist types refuse, society will destroy itself. Bane was pretty much the physical manifestation of the (1.) extreme end of the Occupy movement. Hell, you could argue fairly easily that (2.) Batman is an allegorical George W. Bush


1. Citation needed.

2. Absolutely. If you simply add cowardice, incompetence, childish stupidity, ignorance, selfishness, disdainful arrogance, incompetence, and cowardice to Batman, you're spot on, jackass!

[images.t-nation.com image 494x358]

It's just a batman movie f*cktwat



Good point. And it has nothing to do with your cowardly, incompetent, childishly stupid, ignorant, arrogant, incompetent, and cowardly idol George W. Bush.

Sorry that I made you cry.
 
2012-07-30 06:51:00 PM

consider this: Mugato: I think they'll wait a few years and reboot the whole thing. Maybe with a universe where the Justice League fits in (because the other DC characters are so successful as movies).

There's already talk of a Batman reboot in the next few years as part of a Justice League tie in.


Oh. Well I must be psychic.

Except the JL is no Avengers. Superman, which they're rebooting for the nth time next year, Wonder Woman, who had a TV show last year that was canceled before the first commercial break, Green Lantern which bombed and Aquaman, who is....Aquaman. I don't know anyone else.
 
2012-07-30 06:54:19 PM

Mugato: consider this: Mugato: I think they'll wait a few years and reboot the whole thing. Maybe with a universe where the Justice League fits in (because the other DC characters are so successful as movies).

There's already talk of a Batman reboot in the next few years as part of a Justice League tie in.

Oh. Well I must be psychic.

Except the JL is no Avengers. Superman, which they're rebooting for the nth time next year, Wonder Woman, who had a TV show last year that was canceled before the first commercial break, Green Lantern which bombed and Aquaman, who is....Aquaman. I don't know anyone else.


You know what I would like to see? A Golden Age Justice Society movie that takes place around the late 30s.

Of course, that'll never happen. Everyone is going to assume it's a Captain America ripoff.

www.i-mockery.com
 
2012-07-30 06:54:27 PM
Shrugging Atlas: KFBR392: Tad_Waxpole: Am I the only one who thought this movie was actually kind of boring?

Yes and no....I think they could have started the move like 45 minutes in and not lost anything. Basically start the movie at the wall street heist. With Bane's attacks on Gotham drawing out batman after he sees that the police is no match for this guy.

Right about the point in TDK where they have the ferry scene I started thinking, "We get it, can we get on with the ending." I started feeling that much much sooner with TDKR.

The movie wasn't boring to me as much as it just felt too long because it tried to do too much if that makes sense. I think all three are about the same length, but I can watch BB over and over again, whereas TDK has worn on me over time. TDKR simply wasn't a tight script. I'm not talking about plotholes or nitpicky shiat either. Just too many characters doing too many things without a really strong relation between them all.

It's about what I expected to be honest though. When I saw the list of characters they were adding...all of which needed to have an arc contained within a single movie...and then all those returning that needed their arcs tied up I just had a bad feeling.

Then again, wrapping up any trilogy and making everyone happy is basically an impossible task, particularly where the first two movies did so well and people would probably like up to see 10 more of them if he kept making them.


TDK should have cut out the 20 or so minuets Hong Kong expose'. Sure it's Batman and gadgets, and cool. But ultimately it's 20 min in a movie that doesn't need to be extended for a scene that could have been Bruce smiling cutting to Batman dropping off the HK banker on some steps with Gordon wonder WTF.
 
2012-07-30 07:00:03 PM

TyrantII: TDK should have cut out the 20 or so minuets Hong Kong expose'. Sure it's Batman and gadgets, and cool. But ultimately it's 20 min in a movie that doesn't need to be extended for a scene that could have been Bruce smiling cutting to Batman dropping off the HK banker on some steps with Gordon wonder WTF.


What needed to be cut was that silly CSI thing with the bullet fragments. It didn't make any sense and was a half assed attempt to finally show Batman as a detective after 6 films.

/okay, the 1989 film sort of did with figuring out the poisoned chemicals
 
2012-07-30 07:00:08 PM

Mugato: Except the JL is no Avengers.


Batman and Superman have more of a following than all of the members of the Avengers put together.
 
2012-07-30 07:00:48 PM

Mugato: consider this: Mugato: I think they'll wait a few years and reboot the whole thing. Maybe with a universe where the Justice League fits in (because the other DC characters are so successful as movies).

There's already talk of a Batman reboot in the next few years as part of a Justice League tie in.

Oh. Well I must be psychic.

Except the JL is no Avengers. Superman, which they're rebooting for the nth time next year, Wonder Woman, who had a TV show last year that was canceled before the first commercial break, Green Lantern which bombed and Aquaman, who is....Aquaman. I don't know anyone else.


I don't care who they get to write, direct, or act in that movie...there's simply no way a JL movie works. It will be a CGI shiatfest like Green Lantern, the Batman in it will instantly fail due to comparisons to Nolan's, Superman is farking boring, and nobody has a shiat to give about Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, etc.

Now, if they went with a Kingdom Come storyline....they could probably break that into a few films and even have it tie directly to the Nolanverse if they played their cards right. I'd pay just about anything to watch that.
 
2012-07-30 07:01:40 PM
stoli n coke: Mugato: Contrabulous Flabtraption: The entire premise was that without wealth and authority, common people will immediately take to violence and depravity. Without a figure who will take measures more pacifist types refuse, society will destroy itself.

With no cops and no military, yes a lot of people would go batshiat insane. I don't see how that's a political view for one side or another.

I thought, if there was any political message, it was to be wary of anyone spewing overt populism, because usually, it is very insincere.


And the the worst will use it to their own ends, and the gullible with eat it up (Selina's disgust see through the Bane BS that other criminals are reveling in)

It was a very mellow critique of both the TeaParty and Occupy. Nothing more. Nolan doesn't do heavy handed political commentary, just hints.
 
2012-07-30 07:05:38 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Superman is farking boring


I'm looking forward to Man of Steel. Sure, Zack Snyder is directing, but Chris Nolan is producing it and writing it, so I assume there'll be adult supervision for that movie.
 
2012-07-30 07:15:06 PM

consider this: Mugato: Except the JL is no Avengers.

Batman and Superman have more of a following than all of the members of the Avengers put together.


Spiderman is an Avenger.
 
2012-07-30 07:19:35 PM

BafflerMeal: consider this: Mugato: Except the JL is no Avengers.

Batman and Superman have more of a following than all of the members of the Avengers put together.

Spiderman is an Avenger.


So's Wolverine, for that matter.
 
2012-07-30 07:21:52 PM

RexTalionis: Shrugging Atlas: Superman is farking boring

I'm looking forward to Man of Steel. Sure, Zack Snyder is directing, but Chris Nolan is producing it and writing it, so I assume there'll be adult supervision for that movie.


The teaser for what it was worth didn't look bad, I'll certainly grant you that. And I'm actually excited about a Nolan/Snyder effort regardless of the subject matter...I have no problem with Snyder personally. My concern is regardless of the acting/directing/writing there's only so much you can do with Superman and most of it isn't terribly compelling. Superman II was probably the best film effort to date, and it in large part had to do with him dropping the 'super' part and was helped greatly by the villains. I'm not sure they can go for either plot devices a second time.
 
2012-07-30 07:23:59 PM

RexTalionis: BafflerMeal: consider this: Mugato: Except the JL is no Avengers.

Batman and Superman have more of a following than all of the members of the Avengers put together.

Spiderman is an Avenger.

So's Wolverine, for that matter.


And Marvel owns the film rights to neither of them sadly. Sony and Fox respectively. They'll never, ever show up in an Avengers movie. A fact I'm grateful for with Wolverine, but I would get a kick out of Spider-Man showing up even for a bit part.
 
2012-07-30 07:25:39 PM

Shrugging Atlas: The teaser for what it was worth didn't look bad, I'll certainly grant you that.


What with him leaving a trail when he flies like a jet?
 
2012-07-30 07:26:42 PM

consider this: Mugato: Except the JL is no Avengers.

Batman and Superman have more of a following than all of the members of the Avengers put together.


Hate to see anyone but Bale playing the Batman now though. They'll get some emo kid and cast Megan Fox as wonder woman. Superman I can do without as well.
 
2012-07-30 07:27:35 PM

Shrugging Atlas: I have no problem with Snyder personally.


I do. Snyder cannot be trusted to do things on his own - he must have someone else (i.e. adult supervision) literally storyboarding his movies for him (Watchmen, The 300) or it will be crap (Sucker Punch).
 
2012-07-30 07:28:27 PM

Shrugging Atlas: The teaser for what it was worth didn't look bad, I'll certainly grant you that.


Totally Netflixable.
 
2012-07-30 07:30:25 PM

Waxing_Chewbacca: Hate to see anyone but Bale playing the Batman now though.


I kind of want to see what can be done with Gordon-Levitt.

Sure, his name is "Robin," but that doesn't mean he has to dress in green and red, right?
 
2012-07-30 07:33:17 PM

ib_thinkin: Waxing_Chewbacca: Hate to see anyone but Bale playing the Batman now though.

I kind of want to see what can be done with Gordon-Levitt.

Sure, his name is "Robin," but that doesn't mean he has to dress in green and red, right?


If Jennifer Love Hewitt or whatever is Batman then it would be more of a sequel than a reboot. Which might be a better idea. Except he won't have any of Batman's toys, money or training.
 
2012-07-30 07:33:48 PM

ib_thinkin: Sure, his name is "Robin," but that doesn't mean he has to dress in green and red, right?


comicsmedia.ign.com

There's always this.
 
2012-07-30 07:34:53 PM

RexTalionis: ib_thinkin: Sure, his name is "Robin," but that doesn't mean he has to dress in green and red, right?

[comicsmedia.ign.com image 410x315]

There's always this.


Any time his name is said, the theater will be filled with resounding "YUM!"s

It'll never work.
 
2012-07-30 07:35:52 PM

Mugato: Shrugging Atlas: The teaser for what it was worth didn't look bad, I'll certainly grant you that.

What with him leaving a trail when he flies like a jet?


I lol'd at that because one of the possible causes of contrails is condensation from engine exhaust...so apparently the new Man of Steel has some flatulence issues.
 
2012-07-30 07:38:08 PM
For all you tool bags arguing about Occupy Wall Street. The script for this movie was finished long before Occupy Wall Street was a thing. Try as I might, I found very little political commentary in this movie (especially compared to The Dark Knight).

Additionally, they never really talk about how ordinary people on Gotham react, mostly we just see Bane's henchmen and escaped criminals.
 
2012-07-30 07:43:09 PM

I am Wee Todd Ed: Why did Batman/Bruce Wayne have to live? He should have died and the whole you-thought-i-exploded-but-i-didn't-and-somehow-end-up-with-catwoman-a nd-alfred-saw-me-alive-at-the-cafe-so-everything-turned-out-okay was kind of dumb.


Batman did die, only Bruce Wayne lived on. He sacrificed Batman to go on and live a normal life, which he couldn't do as long as everyone expected Batman to return.
I thought it was better ending than either the cliches of either the hero sacrificing himself to save everyone, or the hero somehow escaping from an inescapable scenario. The only real question is when did he eject from the craft - my guess is near where he blew up that building to get the Bat out over the river with the bomb.

The one big plot hole in the movie - how did Bruce Wayne get from Uzbekistan back into the locked down Gotham City in less than a day, considering he no longer had any money.
 
2012-07-30 07:44:12 PM

Wellon Dowd: serial_crusher: ok, I totally didn't realize that was Scarecrow judging people.

The movie needed more Scarecrow, mainly because I love Cillian Murphy in the strongest, non-gay way possible..


I'm with you in the completely heterosexual love of Cillian Murphy, but his presence really didn't add anything to the last two films.

I thoroughly enjoyed the film (so much so that I didn't even see the obvious twist until it happened) but there were definitely issues with it.
 
2012-07-30 07:49:31 PM

Snapper Carr: I'm with you in the completely heterosexual love of Cillian Murphy, but his presence really didn't add anything to the last two films


I wonder if The Joker would have been the judge if, you know. It would have been funny, an anarchist as a judge.
 
2012-07-30 07:51:11 PM

Snapper Carr: I'm with you in the completely heterosexual love of Cillian Murphy, but his presence really didn't add anything to the last two films.


I thought it was a nice tribute to the comics, where Batman would have to defeat the same villains over and over and over again.
 
2012-07-30 07:51:23 PM

Mugato: Snapper Carr: I'm with you in the completely heterosexual love of Cillian Murphy, but his presence really didn't add anything to the last two films

I wonder if The Joker would have been the judge if, you know. It would have been funny, an anarchist as a judge.


My theory is that it's a thing with symbolism - Fear (Scarecrow) and Hatred (Bane) are figuratively ruling over Gotham.
 
2012-07-30 08:15:30 PM

rocky_howard: ODDwhun: Mugato: Teufelaffe: Cute. As for #10 "paralyzed subjects return to 'Peak fighting condition' within days", I guess they missed the part where it was ~5 months from the time Bruce Wayne was tossed into the pit to the time he escaped, which is enough time for a herniated disc to heal.

Yeah but they forgot about his leg that's been bad for 8 years.

I have had a herniated disc, but have never had a "vertebrae sticking out of my skin". I did notice it was 5 months, but still 5 months to go from cripple to better than you were before. Add to that the fact that he wasn't working out and training the whole time he was gone. It is ridiculous and probably the single dumbest thing in any Nolan movie. Face it, Nolan phoned it in.

Did you even watch the movie? He trained so hard inside the pit that he even got a Rocky montage.
Everybody knows you get supreme fighting skills after you do a Rocky montage.


This literally made me LOL at my desk. +1 to you sir.

RexTalionis: Mugato: Snapper Carr: I'm with you in the completely heterosexual love of Cillian Murphy, but his presence really didn't add anything to the last two films

I wonder if The Joker would have been the judge if, you know. It would have been funny, an anarchist as a judge.

My theory is that it's a thing with symbolism - Fear (Scarecrow) and Hatred (Bane) are figuratively ruling over Gotham.


I would agree. It has been long said that the movies represent 3 main themes: Fear (scarecrow), Chaos (Joker), Pain (Bane).
There is no chaos, in TKDR, Bane is a general organizing 'troops' and equipment to take over the city.

I liked the subtle nod to Killer Croc by Jim Gordon when he mentions the crazy stories of 'alligators killing people in the sewers'.
 
2012-07-30 08:17:59 PM
RexTalionis: Shrugging Atlas: I have no problem with Snyder personally.

I do. Snyder cannot be trusted to do things on his own - he must have someone else (i.e. adult supervision) literally storyboarding his movies for him (Watchmen, The 300) or it will be crap (Sucker Punch).


I liked Suckerpunch.

It's not often a director releases a movie where the protagonist is violently raped over and over again, while 90% of the audience is clueless to it.

And further, went in because they wanted to watch hot chicks in skimpy wears killing robot samurai.
 
2012-07-30 08:19:44 PM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: The only real question is when did he eject from the craft - my guess is near where he blew up that building to get the Bat out over the river with the bomb.

The one big plot hole in the movie - how did Bruce Wayne get from Uzbekistan back into the locked down Gotham City in less than a day, considering he no longer had any money.


Imagine that, next year, at the end of Man of Steel, we see a post credits scene with Superman (let's say dealing with Kryptonite) and somehow he gets saved from it by a shadowy figure we couldn't see. Then the camera shifts from Superman to this figure and it's revealed to be Batman, who then says, "We're even".
 
2012-07-30 08:20:41 PM

TyrantII: And further, went in because they wanted to watch hot chicks in skimpy wears killing robot samurai.


Wait, why didn't I go see Sucker Punch?
 
2012-07-30 08:23:06 PM

TyrantII: And further, went in because they wanted to watch hot chicks in skimpy wears killing robot Nazi samurai.


FTFY!!
 
2012-07-30 08:27:20 PM
I think my biggest pet peeve with the movie was the fact that, despite the dire situation in Gotham with a time-bomb nuke and people dying in the streets, Batman still takes the time to dowse a bridge with accelerant in the shape of a bat for his commissioner buddy to light up.

Way to blow your element of surprise, dude.
 
2012-07-30 08:29:51 PM

RexTalionis: John Blake - beat cop rises up from poverty as an orphaned at-risk kid to fight as a revolutionary with the Batman, and eventually rises to become the Batman's successor.


How is he realistically going to be batman's successor. He can't just don the Batman thing as he is dead and has a statue and everything. Also He wouldn't fit it to that gear being quite a bit smaller then batman. So how does an out of work orphan get the funds to retro fit this stuff to not be batman stuff. He doesn't, this whole scenario just doesn't work.
 
2012-07-30 08:31:28 PM

Strolpol: I think my biggest pet peeve with the movie was the fact that, despite the dire situation in Gotham with a time-bomb nuke and people dying in the streets, Batman still takes the time to dowse a bridge with accelerant in the shape of a bat for his commissioner buddy to light up.

Way to blow your element of surprise, dude.


I think he wanted Bane to find him as soon as possible so he could beat the location of the bomb out of him. Didn't work out that way but I think that was the plan.
 
2012-07-30 08:33:47 PM

Strolpol: I think my biggest pet peeve with the movie was the fact that, despite the dire situation in Gotham with a time-bomb nuke and people dying in the streets, Batman still takes the time to dowse a bridge with accelerant in the shape of a bat for his commissioner buddy to light up.

Way to blow your element of surprise, dude.


The word you're looking for is "theatricality."

Or perhaps the phrase, "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?"
 
2012-07-30 08:41:39 PM

dmars: RexTalionis: John Blake - beat cop rises up from poverty as an orphaned at-risk kid to fight as a revolutionary with the Batman, and eventually rises to become the Batman's successor.

How is he realistically going to be batman's successor. He can't just don the Batman thing as he is dead and has a statue and everything. Also He wouldn't fit it to that gear being quite a bit smaller then batman. So how does an out of work orphan get the funds to retro fit this stuff to not be batman stuff. He doesn't, this whole scenario just doesn't work.


Only thing that might work is they kill off Alfred and have him will what was left of Bruce's money.
 
2012-07-30 08:54:04 PM

dmars: RexTalionis: John Blake - beat cop rises up from poverty as an orphaned at-risk kid to fight as a revolutionary with the Batman, and eventually rises to become the Batman's successor.

How is he realistically going to be batman's successor. He can't just don the Batman thing as he is dead and has a statue and everything. Also He wouldn't fit it to that gear being quite a bit smaller then batman. So how does an out of work orphan get the funds to retro fit this stuff to not be batman stuff. He doesn't, this whole scenario just doesn't work.


1.- Bruce reconstructed the Bat-signal, it's pretty clear Blake is going to be Batman.
2.- He also drove home the point that anyone with the right training and tools, but more importantly, with the right mindset, could be Batman.
3.- Bruce left a fortune to Blake.
4.- Lucius is going to keep providing him with tech.
 
2012-07-30 08:58:26 PM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: The one big plot hole in the movie - how did Bruce Wayne get from Uzbekistan back into the locked down Gotham City in less than a day, considering he no longer had any money.


It wasn't less than a day. When he got out, it was about twenty days before the bomb was supposed to go off.

And as for having no money? Please refer to 'Batman Begins'. He's done it before, he can do it again.
 
2012-07-30 08:59:24 PM

rocky_howard: 3.- Bruce left a fortune to Blake.


Bruce left a duffel bag to Blake with gps coordinates to the bat cave.
 
2012-07-30 09:00:03 PM

rocky_howard: 3.- Bruce left a fortune to Blake.


What fortune? He was so dead-broke that they turned off his electricity pretty much the day he went bankrupt (which admittedly was kinda silly - not how that sort of thing works)
 
2012-07-30 09:08:38 PM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: The one big plot hole in the movie - how did Bruce Wayne get from Uzbekistan back into the locked down Gotham City in less than a day, considering he no longer had any money.


The man spent like 7 years away from his money and privilege with no one knowing who he was. I thin he might know a trick or two.
 
2012-07-30 09:12:12 PM

Six_By_Nine: rocky_howard: 3.- Bruce left a fortune to Blake.

What fortune? He was so dead-broke that they turned off his electricity pretty much the day he went bankrupt (which admittedly was kinda silly - not how that sort of thing works)


Huh? It was under my impression during the epilogue that he got his money back. After all, Wall Street can turn back a transaction if it's proven to be fraudulent.

He turned the Wayne Manor into a foster house for orphans and designated funds from Wayne Enterprises to fund it (remember that such things had stopped due to Wayne Enterprises not being profiting much after the nuclear generator fiasco).

And more importantly: How do you think he was paying for his sight-seeing trip around the world that took him to that Italian café where Alfred found him?
 
2012-07-30 09:17:32 PM

rocky_howard: 4.- Lucius is going to keep providing him with tech.


I see people have taken care of three. As for four, The company is probably in shambles. The out side world has been running but the entire decision making staff for Wayne Enterprises has been not making any for a few months. I am not entirely sure what happens with all of Wayne's stock, but I am pretty sure he doesn't have it which means there is a lot of stock out there that wasn't and you are probably going to see a huge change in leadership, not to mention the whole R and D department has been raided and I doubt a CEO, even Lucias, is going to pour resources of a poor performing company on a guy just because he was the last owners friend.
 
2012-07-30 09:20:31 PM
I liked the movie, but it's no Arkham City.
 
2012-07-30 09:22:24 PM

rocky_howard: Six_By_Nine: rocky_howard: 3.- Bruce left a fortune to Blake.

What fortune? He was so dead-broke that they turned off his electricity pretty much the day he went bankrupt (which admittedly was kinda silly - not how that sort of thing works)

Huh? It was under my impression during the epilogue that he got his money back. After all, Wall Street can turn back a transaction if it's proven to be fraudulent.

He turned the Wayne Manor into a foster house for orphans and designated funds from Wayne Enterprises to fund it (remember that such things had stopped due to Wayne Enterprises not being profiting much after the nuclear generator fiasco).

And more importantly: How do you think he was paying for his sight-seeing trip around the world that took him to that Italian café where Alfred found him?


Regarding turning back the transaction, yeah, because that was a big to-do during the five months that Gotham was under lockdown and the rightful owner of the money was dead. I'm sure that was on top of someone's priority list to set right after everything got back to normal. Beats me how Wayne Manor wasn't repossessed, despite the will.

As for the sightseeing trip, meh. I regarded that the same way as I regarded him getting back to Gotham with no money: he knows how to survive. Plus, if he was with Selina after that, who says he wasn't living off money she had?
 
2012-07-30 09:34:48 PM

Mugato: Strolpol: I think my biggest pet peeve with the movie was the fact that, despite the dire situation in Gotham with a time-bomb nuke and people dying in the streets, Batman still takes the time to dowse a bridge with accelerant in the shape of a bat for his commissioner buddy to light up.

Way to blow your element of surprise, dude.

I think he wanted Bane to find him as soon as possible so he could beat the location of the bomb out of him. Didn't work out that way but I think that was the plan.


That was another thing that really annoyed me.

You KNOW Bane is a really strong fighter. He kicks your butt and locks you up in jail.

So why is it, when you come back for round two, YOU USE THE EXACT SAME STRATEGY AS YOU DID THE FIRST TIME?

Seriously, Batman couldn't have come up with some long-range gadget to stop him? Why not use those sleeping darts that he used on the goons? Bane's strong, but still human. You could still drug him or tie him up or tase him or trap him in a net, but NO. Let's just stick to punching, and then let's do it in the middle of a huge melee where any jerk can bust in and shank you in the back.
 
2012-07-30 09:40:10 PM

Six_By_Nine: rocky_howard: Six_By_Nine: rocky_howard: 3.- Bruce left a fortune to Blake.

What fortune? He was so dead-broke that they turned off his electricity pretty much the day he went bankrupt (which admittedly was kinda silly - not how that sort of thing works)

Huh? It was under my impression during the epilogue that he got his money back. After all, Wall Street can turn back a transaction if it's proven to be fraudulent.

He turned the Wayne Manor into a foster house for orphans and designated funds from Wayne Enterprises to fund it (remember that such things had stopped due to Wayne Enterprises not being profiting much after the nuclear generator fiasco).

And more importantly: How do you think he was paying for his sight-seeing trip around the world that took him to that Italian café where Alfred found him?

Regarding turning back the transaction, yeah, because that was a big to-do during the five months that Gotham was under lockdown and the rightful owner of the money was dead. I'm sure that was on top of someone's priority list to set right after everything got back to normal. Beats me how Wayne Manor wasn't repossessed, despite the will.

As for the sightseeing trip, meh. I regarded that the same way as I regarded him getting back to Gotham with no money: he knows how to survive. Plus, if he was with Selina after that, who says he wasn't living off money she had?


I thought story was pretty clear that the money would be returned to Bruce's account, but it would take time. Why wouldn't the remaining board of Wayne Enterprises go after that, even if a chunk ended up in the Wayne estate?

If there's a BoD and shareholders it's not just the Wayne Estate that lost money.
 
2012-07-30 09:49:18 PM

davidphogan: I thought story was pretty clear that the money would be returned to Bruce's account, but it would take time.


It was, they say pretty much exactly that in the movie.
 
2012-07-30 10:26:40 PM
It's almost like that pit, the one that Bruce was thrown into broken and came out whole, was some sort of resurrecting place...I mean it was positively Lazarus-like...
 
2012-07-30 10:28:56 PM

Mateorocks: I liked the movie, but it's no Arkham City.


I'm totally stuck trying to defeat Solomon Grundy.
I thought he was a Superman baddie?

But the feel of those two games are amazing, really the first video game I've played since Half Life that I'd love to see made into a movie....if they could do it right. Re-starting the Batman franchise with Arkham Asylum would be a massive gamble but awesome if it worked.
 
2012-07-30 10:32:50 PM

Your_Huckleberry: Mateorocks: I liked the movie, but it's no Arkham City.

I'm totally stuck trying to defeat Solomon Grundy.
I thought he was a Superman baddie?

But the feel of those two games are amazing, really the first video game I've played since Half Life that I'd love to see made into a movie....if they could do it right. Re-starting the Batman franchise with Arkham Asylum would be a massive gamble but awesome if it worked.


If I remember/understand correctly, he's a Green Lantern (the very first one, not Hal Jordan; Alan Scott might be his name). He was also featured pretty prominently in James Robinson's run on Starman, which was a good, solid book.
 
2012-07-30 10:40:15 PM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: I am Wee Todd Ed: Why did Batman/Bruce Wayne have to live? He should have died and the whole you-thought-i-exploded-but-i-didn't-and-somehow-end-up-with-catwoman-a nd-alfred-saw-me-alive-at-the-cafe-so-everything-turned-out-okay was kind of dumb.

Batman did die, only Bruce Wayne lived on. He sacrificed Batman to go on and live a normal life, which he couldn't do as long as everyone expected Batman to return.
I thought it was better ending than either the cliches of either the hero sacrificing himself to save everyone, or the hero somehow escaping from an inescapable scenario. The only real question is when did he eject from the craft - my guess is near where he blew up that building to get the Bat out over the river with the bomb.

The one big plot hole in the movie - how did Bruce Wayne get from Uzbekistan back into the locked down Gotham City in less than a day, considering he no longer had any money.


You don't think the Wayne Corporation has offices everywhere? He walks into the nearest one and goes "Tell the pilot to get the jet ready!"
 
2012-07-30 10:41:33 PM

Mugato: Strolpol: I think my biggest pet peeve with the movie was the fact that, despite the dire situation in Gotham with a time-bomb nuke and people dying in the streets, Batman still takes the time to dowse a bridge with accelerant in the shape of a bat for his commissioner buddy to light up.

Way to blow your element of surprise, dude.

I think he wanted Bane to find him as soon as possible so he could beat the location of the bomb out of him. Didn't work out that way but I think that was the plan.


I he wanted Gotham to know he was there. He was trying to raise an army, not sneak in and ninja-merc Bane.

My problem with that scene was that Batman's insaitable desire to tease could have resulted in any number of people, including Gordon, falling through the ice.
 
2012-07-30 11:37:30 PM

Mugato: Shrugging Atlas: The teaser for what it was worth didn't look bad, I'll certainly grant you that.

What with him leaving a trail when he flies like a jet?


No, as I said earlier...Superman being Superman sucks and is boring...especially when he leaves contrails for no clear reason. But the approach there taking focusing more on Kent could be interesting. It's the opposite of Batman. The more Kent and less Superman the better. The more Batman and less Wayne the better.
 
2012-07-30 11:42:05 PM

one small post for man: Mugato: Strolpol: I think my biggest pet peeve with the movie was the fact that, despite the dire situation in Gotham with a time-bomb nuke and people dying in the streets, Batman still takes the time to dowse a bridge with accelerant in the shape of a bat for his commissioner buddy to light up.

Way to blow your element of surprise, dude.

I think he wanted Bane to find him as soon as possible so he could beat the location of the bomb out of him. Didn't work out that way but I think that was the plan.

I he wanted Gotham to know he was there. He was trying to raise an army, not sneak in and ninja-merc Bane.


My take was that the film was largely about how Bruce and Bane were two sides of the same coin; Bane was using hope as a weapon, and in the scene with the fire on the bridge Batman was also using hope as a weapon, with a very different purpose though.
 
2012-07-30 11:55:18 PM

Mugato: Strolpol: I think my biggest pet peeve with the movie was the fact that, despite the dire situation in Gotham with a time-bomb nuke and people dying in the streets, Batman still takes the time to dowse a bridge with accelerant in the shape of a bat for his commissioner buddy to light up.

Way to blow your element of surprise, dude.

I think he wanted Bane to find him as soon as possible so he could beat the location of the bomb out of him. Didn't work out that way but I think that was the plan.


No, his plan was to blow away audiences with the awesomeness of that scene, and it worked. The theatre I saw it in went ballistic.
 
2012-07-31 12:53:42 AM

Shrugging Atlas: Mugato: Shrugging Atlas: The teaser for what it was worth didn't look bad, I'll certainly grant you that.

What with him leaving a trail when he flies like a jet?

No, as I said earlier...Superman being Superman sucks and is boring...especially when he leaves contrails for no clear reason. But the approach there taking focusing more on Kent could be interesting. It's the opposite of Batman. The more Kent and less Superman the better. The more Batman and less Wayne the better.


Oh man, I can see this isn't going away anytime soon. Contrails are not always caused by the exhaust from jet engines. In certain conditions that can also caused by objects passing through thin layers of clouds or atmosphere.

Like this:

contrailscience.com

and this:

contrailscience.com

or this:

contrailscience.com

The contrails in the Man of Steal trailer could theoretically be caused by the corner edges of Superman's cape passing through the clouds. But the best way to accept it is to just accept it because it looks farking cool as shiat.
 
2012-07-31 01:01:29 AM

Cargo: Your_Huckleberry: Mateorocks: I liked the movie, but it's no Arkham City.

I'm totally stuck trying to defeat Solomon Grundy.
I thought he was a Superman baddie?

But the feel of those two games are amazing, really the first video game I've played since Half Life that I'd love to see made into a movie....if they could do it right. Re-starting the Batman franchise with Arkham Asylum would be a massive gamble but awesome if it worked.

If I remember/understand correctly, he's a Green Lantern (the very first one, not Hal Jordan; Alan Scott might be his name). He was also featured pretty prominently in James Robinson's run on Starman, which was a good, solid book.


Well, I could use a Power Ring or something to get past him in the game. Of course, I do suck at video games. Still, the guy is bigger than the Hulk!

Having not seen the movie yet, my guess about why Batman would try to go one on one with Bane again without something added speaks to an anger/pride thing. He didn't go through the prison Rocky training montage just to nail Bane with a stun grenade and a steel net. He wanted to kick the crap out of Bane, personally.
 
2012-07-31 02:02:17 AM

ib_thinkin: Waxing_Chewbacca: Hate to see anyone but Bale playing the Batman now though.

I kind of want to see what can be done with Gordon-Levitt.

Sure, his name is "Robin," but that doesn't mean he has to dress in green and red, right?


No, it doesn't

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/if someone does continue this continuity, a Nightwing movie seems like the next logical step. He doesn't need Wayne's enormous resources - just a base, a suit and a couple of Eskrima sticks.
 
2012-07-31 03:26:21 AM
Those were pretty funny. Thanks subby.
 
2012-07-31 09:23:20 AM

chewielouie: The contrails in the Man of Steal trailer could theoretically be caused by the corner edges of Superman's cape passing through the clouds. But the best way to accept it is to just accept it because it looks farking cool as shiat.


Thanks for the pretty pictures but I wasn't suggesting they required jet engines. I was suggesting to me they definitely don't look farking cool as shiat. But to each their own.
 
2012-07-31 09:51:41 AM

Shrugging Atlas: KFBR392: Tad_Waxpole: Am I the only one who thought this movie was actually kind of boring?

Yes and no....I think they could have started the move like 45 minutes in and not lost anything. Basically start the movie at the wall street heist. With Bane's attacks on Gotham drawing out batman after he sees that the police is no match for this guy.

Right about the point in TDK where they have the ferry scene I started thinking, "We get it, can we get on with the ending." I started feeling that much much sooner with TDKR.

The movie wasn't boring to me as much as it just felt too long because it tried to do too much if that makes sense. I think all three are about the same length, but I can watch BB over and over again, whereas TDK has worn on me over time. TDKR simply wasn't a tight script. I'm not talking about plotholes or nitpicky shiat either. Just too many characters doing too many things without a really strong relation between them all.

It's about what I expected to be honest though. When I saw the list of characters they were adding...all of which needed to have an arc contained within a single movie...and then all those returning that needed their arcs tied up I just had a bad feeling.

Then again, wrapping up any trilogy and making everyone happy is basically an impossible task, particularly where the first two movies did so well and people would probably like up to see 10 more of them if he kept making them.


Obviously spoilers ahead. And this get s a little long

I know exactly what you're saying. For me it was about the first 45 minutes...We don't need to see Bane opening scene, catwoman's back story, alfred leaving, that bruce wayne is a recluse, or that wayne enterprises has no money.

Most people going to see the movie already know the story takes place 8 years into the future. For the people that don't...Show Wayne Manor all boarded up and batman living alone in a guest house on the estate and show us a board meeting talking about the failing company. Done.

Then go from there.

Personally, if i had written the script...

Start the movie showing us that Batman is still in top form (after the death of rachel, it's the only thing he's got left in his life), that the limp and cane are all and act (a subtle allusion to the prestige and "faking it" to pretend to be weak, so no one expects him to be the batman)...

And he still gets beat down by Bane and shipped of to the prison.

With Bruce wayne gone, Bane and company can slowly bankrupt him through a series of bad deals and trades over the course of a couple months (not all in one swoop, 20 minutes after the stock exchange was attacked...I'm guessing the SEC would look into those trades)...and people would believe it...becuase Bruce is a recluse, his company is failing, the reconstruction of wayne manor cost way, way more than he thought (I can't image why?) and he's always traveling around the country/world doing all these crazy sports. The wild trades/deals were a last ditch effort to avoid total insolvency. He burnt down his house while drunk, he bought a hotel, he totaled a lamborghini....so people would likely believe it. People would think he inherited his father company, and ran it into the ground.

Then when he comes back....he's got less than he had before. Heck, it would be fun to have Bane and crew living in Wayne Manor...

Or so Bane thought...See Alfred and/or Lucius had money stashed in numerous accounts and gear all around the world hidden in "various charitable foundations, trusts, and so forth. Look, it's all a bit technical...But the important thing is...." (see what I did there).

Keep a bunch of the other side stories for Dent, Gordan, and Blake. In fact, the next batman movie is already written, it's basically going to be a remake/re-imagination of the Mask of Zorro (with an aging batman training a younger Blake to become the next batman).
 
2012-07-31 10:46:47 AM

Teufelaffe: beta_plus: cousin-merle: Tat'dGreaser: Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make me a troll. Other people feel the same way

Let's just ask Christopher Nolan.

If you're saying, "Have you made a film that's supposed to be criticizing the Occupy Wall Street movement?" - well, obviously, that's not true.

The Nolans are trolling you. For crying out loud, they cast at least two actors from The Wire in TDKR.

Principal photography on The Dark Knight Rises finished on November 14, 2011.
The Occupy Wall Street protests began on September 17, 2011.

So, your argument is that in less than two months, Nolan made the necessary re-writes and re-shoots in order to make TDKR about OWS?


No, but they could easily edit it to make it look as bad as possible.
 
2012-07-31 10:59:08 AM

Waxing_Chewbacca: SpoilerAlert: Waxing_Chewbacca: Stile4aly: thomps: i lol'd at the rope one. also, speaking of pit ropes, if they've got a guy holding a rope that can stop a climber from falling, why doesn't that guy just pull on that rope to raise the climber over the gap (or at least help extend the jump)? that rope guy is a dick.

Looked to me like the anchor point for the rope was below the ledge where you have to make the leap. At that point, the rope only exists to catch you when you fall, not to aid your climb.

Said this earlier. Otherwise you just hoist a guy up. The distance Bruce falls is equal to the distance from the anchor point to the ledge above. The rope saves you from dying and not much more. That way you live with the slim hope of escape but likely never do.

Unless you strap a plank to yourself and lay it across the gap.

Home Depot has been expanding... It's possible.


You are right, in the worst prison in the world that has no gaurds, but a doctor that can punch a slipped disk back into place, has plenty of food, clothing and satellite TV, the hardest thing to believe is that there might be a plank of wood in there. You got me, without a Home Depot that's just not possible.
 
2012-07-31 02:15:26 PM

KFBR392: Obviously spoilers ahead. And this get s a little long...


Well for what it's worth I'd watch that.
 
2012-07-31 06:25:13 PM
 
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