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2012-07-30 04:57:45 PM

Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie



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2012-07-30 04:58:35 PM

BafflerMeal: Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie


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You should probably go watch it again
 
2012-07-30 05:00:29 PM

Tat'dGreaser: Shrugging Atlas: True, but it wasn't exactly flattering of the whole right wing approach either. Batman torturing Joker in the jail cell got him disinformation that led to a blown up Rachel and burned up Harvey. A fact that was lost on most right wingers that just adored that scene when the movie came out.

Joker told him the wrong location of each because he wanted him to know Rachael died


So vote Dent?
 
2012-07-30 05:02:22 PM
The more I think of it, Bane crashing the plane in an attempt to cover up the fact that he had snatched Dr Pavel makes no farking sense. What's the point of the blood transfusion when they'll certainly find body parts before they find blood? A plane full of bullet holes is probably going to raise some suspicions too. Also, I guess CIA planes don't have radar and fly slower than a cargo plane.
 
2012-07-30 05:02:43 PM

Waxing_Chewbacca: So vote Dent?


Look I'm not saying that scene was a beacon of pro-torture. What I got out of that scene was Joker is a complete madman that you just can't break. He got the sh*t kicked out of him, still laughed in his face and even still gave him the wrong address because he knew he would try and save his girl.

That just made him seem that more twisted
 
2012-07-30 05:02:46 PM

BafflerMeal: Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie


Yup
 
2012-07-30 05:03:29 PM
Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make me a troll. Other people feel the same way
 
2012-07-30 05:04:29 PM

BafflerMeal: Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie


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The entire premise was that without wealth and authority, common people will immediately take to violence and depravity. Without a figure who will take measures more pacifist types refuse, society will destroy itself. Bane was pretty much the physical manifestation of the extreme end of the Occupy movement. Hell, you could argue fairly easily that Batman is an allegorical George W. Bush
 
2012-07-30 05:04:59 PM

Tat'dGreaser: Waxing_Chewbacca: So vote Dent?

Look I'm not saying that scene was a beacon of pro-torture. What I got out of that scene was Joker is a complete madman that you just can't break. He got the sh*t kicked out of him, still laughed in his face and even still gave him the wrong address because he knew he would try and save his girl.

That just made him seem that more twisted


Exactly. Nothing political. Just a great scene.
 
2012-07-30 05:06:59 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: BafflerMeal: Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie


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The entire premise was that without wealth and authority, common people will immediately take to violence and depravity. Without a figure who will take measures more pacifist types refuse, society will destroy itself. Bane was pretty much the physical manifestation of the extreme end of the Occupy movement. Hell, you could argue fairly easily that Batman is an allegorical George W. Bush


Don't we get enough of this I'm the political tab? Batman as W? Really?
 
2012-07-30 05:09:08 PM

Wellon Dowd: serial_crusher: ok, I totally didn't realize that was Scarecrow judging people.

The movie needed more Scarecrow, mainly because I love Cillian Murphy in the strongest, non-gay way possible.

Why use a great actor like Tom Hardy, then cover his face and alter his voice? They could have had Gilbert Gottfriend play Bain Capital.


Then you would have ended up with a typical horror movie slasher instead of an actual character. I thought Hardy did a great job of conveying actual menace by just using his eyes and body language. It reminded me a lot of Ed Norton's performance as the leper king in Kingdom of Heaven or Jackie Haley's Rorshach in Watchmen.

Actors like a challenge, and trying to make a believable character without showing your face seems to be a pretty good one.
 
2012-07-30 05:09:17 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: The entire premise was that without wealth and authority, common people will immediately take to violence and depravity. Without a figure who will take measures more pacifist types refuse, society will destroy itself.


With no cops and no military, yes a lot of people would go batshiat insane. I don't see how that's a political view for one side or another.
 
2012-07-30 05:11:41 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: BafflerMeal: Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie


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The entire premise was that without wealth and authority, common people will immediately take to violence and depravity. Without a figure who will take measures more pacifist types refuse, society will destroy itself. Bane was pretty much the physical manifestation of the extreme end of the Occupy movement. Hell, you could argue fairly easily that Batman is an allegorical George W. Bush


Of course, by the end of the movie (hell, even the middle of the movie), Bruce Wayne was essentially destitute. He had his house and all the Batman stuff, but he's certainly not wealthy (couldn't even afford electricity) and he had no real authority outside of being the Batman (which Bane took from him for a while, as well).
 
2012-07-30 05:13:57 PM

Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie


Bane lied about his true motives and helped implement a fascistic state in Gotham. Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what OWS is all about...in Bizarro World.

Let me guess, you also think the government of North Korea is a Democracy because they have "Democratic" in their name, right?
 
2012-07-30 05:15:24 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: The entire premise was that without wealth and authority, common people will immediately take to violence and depravity. Without a figure who will take measures more pacifist types refuse, society will destroy itself. Bane was pretty much the physical manifestation of the extreme end of the Occupy movement. Hell, you could argue fairly easily that Batman is an allegorical George W. Bush


And Alfred is pretty clearly Oliver North.

Mugato: With no cops and no military, yes a lot of people would go batshiat insane.


Well, there's also the whole "Bane's Army" thing. I didn't really like how the movie shied away from really saying if the Gotham underclasses rose up and joined the army, just kind of enjoyed the party, or stayed in their houses like most of the regular...Gothamites? Goths?

The second and third acts could have been made a lot more morally ambiguous were Bane's army mostly average people instead of mercenaries and prisoners.
 
2012-07-30 05:16:07 PM

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie

Bane lied about his true motives and helped implement a fascistic state in Gotham. Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what OWS is all about...in Bizarro World.

Let me guess, you also think the government of North Korea is a Democracy because they have "Democratic" in their name, right?


www.bill-wink.com
 
2012-07-30 05:18:49 PM

I am Wee Todd Ed: If you like Tom Hardy rent or netflix "Bronson" his performance is right up there with Hopkins as Dr. Lector. Dude is freaking creepy!


Absolutely. He was SO underused in Batman. Even though Bronson isn't that great a movie, Hardy should have gotten an Oscar nod for his portrayal. He was unbelievable.

I swear I may be the only person in the world who was totally underwhelmed by Dark Knight Rises. In the same way I was underwhelmed by Batman Begins. I think the reason I enjoyed Dark Knight so much was because the Joker was a great character. I just don't find Bruce Wayne interesting. Anne Hathaway was good but she was underused as well.

Even the story I found cheesey. At the end of it, I was trying to hold in giggles in how stupid it was getting.
 
2012-07-30 05:18:58 PM

RexTalionis: but he's certainly not wealthy (couldn't even afford electricity)


That was a little retarded. They shut off his electricity the same day he went broke.
 
2012-07-30 05:20:26 PM

facisto: Contrabulous Flabtraption: I liked the movie but the twist with the woman at the end was entirely unnecessary. It would have been better if Batman fought Bane to the death and Bane remained the boy in the pit. The truck could have been driven by any henchman. And the stab wound did nothing to hinder Batman anyway

I found the twist to be great as it fit with Batman canon. Batman fighting Bane to the death isn't good either as Batman doesn't kill people. That's Batman 101.


This. Talia is a pretty important character in Batman's history (i.e., she might have had his baby). I was glad to see her worked into these movies and was genuinely surprised when she "appeared" in TDKR.
 
2012-07-30 05:20:42 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Carlo Spicy-Wiener: Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie

Bane lied about his true motives and helped implement a fascistic state in Gotham. Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what OWS is all about...in Bizarro World.

Let me guess, you also think the government of North Korea is a Democracy because they have "Democratic" in their name, right?

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It's pretty rare to see the Yellow-Bellied Both Sides Are Bad argument outside of its natural habitat, the Politics tab.
 
2012-07-30 05:21:44 PM

Tat'dGreaser: Shrugging Atlas: True, but it wasn't exactly flattering of the whole right wing approach either. Batman torturing Joker in the jail cell got him disinformation that led to a blown up Rachel and burned up Harvey. A fact that was lost on most right wingers that just adored that scene when the movie came out.

Joker told him the wrong location of each because he wanted him to know Rachael died


The point being 'enhanced interrogation' doesn't produce the desired results when the subject hasn't a fark to give about the consequences.
 
2012-07-30 05:21:46 PM

Mugato: Contrabulous Flabtraption: The entire premise was that without wealth and authority, common people will immediately take to violence and depravity. Without a figure who will take measures more pacifist types refuse, society will destroy itself.

With no cops and no military, yes a lot of people would go batshiat insane. I don't see how that's a political view for one side or another.


I thought, if there was any political message, it was to be wary of anyone spewing overt populism, because usually, it is very insincere.
 
2012-07-30 05:27:58 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Tat'dGreaser: Shrugging Atlas: True, but it wasn't exactly flattering of the whole right wing approach either. Batman torturing Joker in the jail cell got him disinformation that led to a blown up Rachel and burned up Harvey. A fact that was lost on most right wingers that just adored that scene when the movie came out.

Joker told him the wrong location of each because he wanted him to know Rachael died

The point being 'enhanced interrogation' doesn't produce the desired results when the subject hasn't a fark to give about the consequences.


Worked for catching Osama Bin Laden.
 
2012-07-30 05:30:49 PM
My interpretation of the movie - even in the face of madness and anarchy, good people who are oppressed will ultimately rise up and be the hero that Gotham needed.

Example:

Selina Kyle - she steals, she kills, and she's always concerned about her own well-being - but when the time and circumstances came about, she rose up above her past.

John Blake - beat cop rises up from poverty as an orphaned at-risk kid to fight as a revolutionary with the Batman, and eventually rises to become the Batman's successor.

Foley (Matthew Modine's character) - a political opportunist who, when the time came, rose above it and stood on the frontlines against Bane in his dress blues.

That boardmember from Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises who volunteered: Guy was terrified, but he willingly volunteer his safety to go with Bane to activate the fusion bomb.

Bruce Wayne: He went from wealthy and powerful as a billionaire and the Batman to a destitute cripple, yet he still rises to face Bane, despite the fact that he was greatly diminished.

Of course, Talia and Bane also rose, but they rose from a different perspective. In the end, Bane was right - the fire rises, but he wasn't the bringer of flame like he thought.

I think TDKR was also a counterpoint to The Dark Knight's ferry scene. Instead of merely saying that people are inherently good, it's saying that some people can rise from merely being inherently good to being great.

At least, that's my perspective on the movie. The whole thing is a metaphor on people who'd step up and rise up to the challenge. Not very political in my view.

My two cents, anyway, take it for what it is.
 
2012-07-30 05:31:38 PM

thomps: i lol'd at the rope one. also, speaking of pit ropes, if they've got a guy holding a rope that can stop a climber from falling, why doesn't that guy just pull on that rope to raise the climber over the gap (or at least help extend the jump)? that rope guy is a dick.


Looked to me like the anchor point for the rope was below the ledge where you have to make the leap. At that point, the rope only exists to catch you when you fall, not to aid your climb.
 
2012-07-30 05:32:18 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: BafflerMeal: Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie


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The entire premise was that without wealth and authority, common people will immediately take to violence and depravity. Without a figure who will take measures more pacifist types refuse, society will destroy itself. Bane was pretty much the physical manifestation of the (1.) extreme end of the Occupy movement. Hell, you could argue fairly easily that (2.) Batman is an allegorical George W. Bush



1. Citation needed.

2. Absolutely. If you simply add cowardice, incompetence, childish stupidity, ignorance, selfishness, disdainful arrogance, incompetence, and cowardice to Batman, you're spot on, jackass!
 
2012-07-30 05:32:23 PM

RexTalionis: My interpretation of the movie - even in the face of madness and anarchy, good people who are oppressed will ultimately rise up and be the hero that Gotham needed.

Example:

Selina Kyle - she steals, she kills, and she's always concerned about her own well-being - but when the time and circumstances came about, she rose up above her past.

John Blake - beat cop rises up from poverty as an orphaned at-risk kid to fight as a revolutionary with the Batman, and eventually rises to become the Batman's successor.

Foley (Matthew Modine's character) - a political opportunist who, when the time came, rose above it and stood on the frontlines against Bane in his dress blues.

That boardmember from Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises who volunteered: Guy was terrified, but he willingly volunteer his safety to go with Bane to activate the fusion bomb.

Bruce Wayne: He went from wealthy and powerful as a billionaire and the Batman to a destitute cripple, yet he still rises to face Bane, despite the fact that he was greatly diminished.

Of course, Talia and Bane also rose, but they rose from a different perspective. In the end, Bane was right - the fire rises, but he wasn't the bringer of flame like he thought.

I think TDKR was also a counterpoint to The Dark Knight's ferry scene. Instead of merely saying that people are inherently good, it's saying that some people can rise from merely being inherently good to being great.

At least, that's my perspective on the movie. The whole thing is a metaphor on people who'd step up and rise up to the challenge. Not very political in my view.

My two cents, anyway, take it for what it is.


To me you nailed it. Well said.
 
2012-07-30 05:33:43 PM

beta_plus: Shrugging Atlas: Tat'dGreaser: Shrugging Atlas: True, but it wasn't exactly flattering of the whole right wing approach either. Batman torturing Joker in the jail cell got him disinformation that led to a blown up Rachel and burned up Harvey. A fact that was lost on most right wingers that just adored that scene when the movie came out.

Joker told him the wrong location of each because he wanted him to know Rachael died

The point being 'enhanced interrogation' doesn't produce the desired results when the subject hasn't a fark to give about the consequences.

Worked for catching Osama Bin Laden.


Oh god, please don't start that shiat in here.
 
2012-07-30 05:35:10 PM

Stile4aly: thomps: i lol'd at the rope one. also, speaking of pit ropes, if they've got a guy holding a rope that can stop a climber from falling, why doesn't that guy just pull on that rope to raise the climber over the gap (or at least help extend the jump)? that rope guy is a dick.

Looked to me like the anchor point for the rope was below the ledge where you have to make the leap. At that point, the rope only exists to catch you when you fall, not to aid your climb.


Said this earlier. Otherwise you just hoist a guy up. The distance Bruce falls is equal to the distance from the anchor point to the ledge above. The rope saves you from dying and not much more. That way you live with the slim hope of escape but likely never do.
 
2012-07-30 05:36:39 PM

beta_plus: Shrugging Atlas: Tat'dGreaser: Shrugging Atlas: True, but it wasn't exactly flattering of the whole right wing approach either. Batman torturing Joker in the jail cell got him disinformation that led to a blown up Rachel and burned up Harvey. A fact that was lost on most right wingers that just adored that scene when the movie came out.

Joker told him the wrong location of each because he wanted him to know Rachael died

The point being 'enhanced interrogation' doesn't produce the desired results when the subject hasn't a fark to give about the consequences.

Worked for catching Osama Bin Laden.


/ so vote ignore?

// ok
 
2012-07-30 05:38:02 PM
Here's the thematic arc of the trilogy in my view:

Batman Begins - A man can be good in a world that's evil.

The Dark Knight - The people are inherently good.

The Dark Knight Rises - Some people can rise up and be great.
 
2012-07-30 05:38:45 PM

Teufelaffe: beta_plus: Shrugging Atlas: Tat'dGreaser: Shrugging Atlas: True, but it wasn't exactly flattering of the whole right wing approach either. Batman torturing Joker in the jail cell got him disinformation that led to a blown up Rachel and burned up Harvey. A fact that was lost on most right wingers that just adored that scene when the movie came out.

Joker told him the wrong location of each because he wanted him to know Rachael died

The point being 'enhanced interrogation' doesn't produce the desired results when the subject hasn't a fark to give about the consequences.

Worked for catching Osama Bin Laden.

Oh god, please don't start that shiat in here.


I'm just saying that Batman was clearly supposed to be Obama.
 
2012-07-30 05:39:22 PM

Mugato: RexTalionis: but he's certainly not wealthy (couldn't even afford electricity)

That was a little retarded. They shut off his electricity the same day he went broke.


It makes sense when in a world where the stock exchange gets held up and Batman makes his return, the front page story is Wayne going broke.
 
2012-07-30 05:39:39 PM
 
2012-07-30 05:44:59 PM

RexTalionis: Contrabulous Flabtraption: BafflerMeal: Tat'dGreaser: I really enjoyed the anti-Occupy Wall Street theme in the movie


[4.bp.blogspot.com image 469x428]

The entire premise was that without wealth and authority, common people will immediately take to violence and depravity. Without a figure who will take measures more pacifist types refuse, society will destroy itself. Bane was pretty much the physical manifestation of the extreme end of the Occupy movement. Hell, you could argue fairly easily that Batman is an allegorical George W. Bush

Of course, by the end of the movie (hell, even the middle of the movie), Bruce Wayne was essentially destitute. He had his house and all the Batman stuff, but he's certainly not wealthy (couldn't even afford electricity) and he had no real authority outside of being the Batman (which Bane took from him for a while, as well).


Wouldn't Wayne Manor eventually end up being taken by the Gotham city government for non payment of estate taxes? I mean, the guy couldn't pay his power bill.
 
2012-07-30 05:48:07 PM

Wellon Dowd: The movie needed more Scarecrow, mainly because I love Cillian Murphy in the strongest, non-gay way possible.


Really? How is it in your fan club of one? We've already got too many actors who play one character for every role, certainly don't need any more.
 
2012-07-30 05:49:55 PM
Also, I don't know if it was intentional, but did anyone notice that the occupation figuratively controlled by Fear (i.e. Scarecrow, the master of the Court) and Hatred (Bane)?
 
2012-07-30 05:50:16 PM

Waxing_Chewbacca: Stile4aly: thomps: i lol'd at the rope one. also, speaking of pit ropes, if they've got a guy holding a rope that can stop a climber from falling, why doesn't that guy just pull on that rope to raise the climber over the gap (or at least help extend the jump)? that rope guy is a dick.

Looked to me like the anchor point for the rope was below the ledge where you have to make the leap. At that point, the rope only exists to catch you when you fall, not to aid your climb.

Said this earlier. Otherwise you just hoist a guy up. The distance Bruce falls is equal to the distance from the anchor point to the ledge above. The rope saves you from dying and not much more. That way you live with the slim hope of escape but likely never do.


Unless you strap a plank to yourself and lay it across the gap.
 
2012-07-30 05:54:09 PM

Tat'dGreaser: Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make me a troll. Other people feel the same way


Let's just ask Christopher Nolan.

If you're saying, "Have you made a film that's supposed to be criticizing the Occupy Wall Street movement?" - well, obviously, that's not true.
 
2012-07-30 05:57:49 PM
Waxing_Chewbacca:

/ so vote ignore?

// ok

I know that people usually say negative things about the "Ignore" button but I'll be damned if it doesn't make these threads so much more pleasant.

I know there are roaring dick holes out there and don't need to be reminded of it every time I visit a website to read funny and/or intelligent comments.
 
2012-07-30 05:58:31 PM
Oops.

Sorry.
 
2012-07-30 05:58:59 PM

SpoilerAlert: Waxing_Chewbacca: Stile4aly: thomps: i lol'd at the rope one. also, speaking of pit ropes, if they've got a guy holding a rope that can stop a climber from falling, why doesn't that guy just pull on that rope to raise the climber over the gap (or at least help extend the jump)? that rope guy is a dick.

Looked to me like the anchor point for the rope was below the ledge where you have to make the leap. At that point, the rope only exists to catch you when you fall, not to aid your climb.

Said this earlier. Otherwise you just hoist a guy up. The distance Bruce falls is equal to the distance from the anchor point to the ledge above. The rope saves you from dying and not much more. That way you live with the slim hope of escape but likely never do.

Unless you strap a plank to yourself and lay it across the gap.


Home Depot has been expanding... It's possible.
 
2012-07-30 06:01:31 PM

cousin-merle: Tat'dGreaser: Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make me a troll. Other people feel the same way

Let's just ask Christopher Nolan.

If you're saying, "Have you made a film that's supposed to be criticizing the Occupy Wall Street movement?" - well, obviously, that's not true.


The Nolans are trolling you. For crying out loud, they cast at least two actors from The Wire in TDKR.
 
2012-07-30 06:04:15 PM

Cargo: Waxing_Chewbacca:

/ so vote ignore?

// ok

I know that people usually say negative things about the "Ignore" button but I'll be damned if it doesn't make these threads so much more pleasant.

I know there are roaring dick holes out there and don't need to be reminded of it every time I visit a website to read funny and/or intelligent comments.


Exactly... Some I leave alone as they usually don't tread beyond the political tab or they are generally trying to make a point I disagree with. Which is fine and I like to hear other points of view. The one I just ignored does neither and I'd been remiss in not doing it earlier, thereby continuing to give myself a popsicle headache after reading his posts.
 
2012-07-30 06:10:23 PM

beta_plus: cousin-merle: Tat'dGreaser: Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make me a troll. Other people feel the same way

Let's just ask Christopher Nolan.

If you're saying, "Have you made a film that's supposed to be criticizing the Occupy Wall Street movement?" - well, obviously, that's not true.

The Nolans are trolling you. For crying out loud, they cast at least two actors from The Wire in TDKR.


Principal photography on The Dark Knight Rises finished on November 14, 2011.
The Occupy Wall Street protests began on September 17, 2011.

So, your argument is that in less than two months, Nolan made the necessary re-writes and re-shoots in order to make TDKR about OWS?
 
2012-07-30 06:27:44 PM

Teufelaffe: beta_plus: cousin-merle: Tat'dGreaser: Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make me a troll. Other people feel the same way

Let's just ask Christopher Nolan.

If you're saying, "Have you made a film that's supposed to be criticizing the Occupy Wall Street movement?" - well, obviously, that's not true.

The Nolans are trolling you. For crying out loud, they cast at least two actors from The Wire in TDKR.

Principal photography on The Dark Knight Rises finished on November 14, 2011.
The Occupy Wall Street protests began on September 17, 2011.

So, your argument is that in less than two months, Nolan made the necessary re-writes and re-shoots in order to make TDKR about OWS?


Not to mention, re-configured the budget to accomodate new sets, props, and costumes for hundreds of extras.
It's an interesting coincidence, but it is just that, a coincidence.

Although he may have taken some inspiration from the WTO protesters.
 
2012-07-30 06:30:50 PM
I thought it would have worked better if batman wasnt quite able to defuse the bomb and everything got vaporized.
 
2012-07-30 06:31:19 PM

Kurmudgeon: Wellon Dowd: The movie needed more Scarecrow, mainly because I love Cillian Murphy in the strongest, non-gay way possible.

Really? How is it in your fan club of one? We've already got too many actors who play one character for every role, certainly don't need any more.


We're not lumping a Bree Olson in there right? I like the character she played in every movie. A lot.
 
2012-07-30 06:32:40 PM

mikefinch: I thought it would have worked better if batman wasnt quite able to defuse the bomb and everything got vaporized.


Will you settle for everyone in the city dying of brain cancer in 6 months from the radiation?
 
2012-07-30 06:33:20 PM
Chances we see a Robin movie, anyone?
 
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