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(NBC News)   Congress: the military needs to save money. Pentagon: Okay, we'll stop refurbishing tanks we don't need. Congress: How about no   (openchannel.nbcnews.com) divider line 62
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2012-07-30 02:43:04 PM

spcMike: xanadian: The military-industrial complex has a STRONG lobby.

Being someone who sees it from the contractor side and the Soldier side, it really sickens me.


Same here. It's amazing how much power a Senator can exercise when properly motivated.
 
2012-07-30 02:56:28 PM

Epoch_Zero: BUT PLANNED PARENTHOOD YOU GUYS


BUT NPR YOU GUYS
 
2012-07-30 03:03:19 PM
Letting the GOP drive us off the fiscal cliff will take care of this.

/may have already been covered...dnrtft
 
2012-07-30 03:17:32 PM
The fact that so many people in this thread actually thought the $3 Billion every 82 minutes was accurate is more depressing than the article itself. That comes out to 19 trillion per year people. If you don't immediately know that's wrong then I'm sorry but you're a dumbass.
 
2012-07-30 03:31:23 PM

HMS_Blinkin: xanadian: The military-industrial complex has a STRONG lobby.

Seriously. The military itself is pretty realistic----they know that they have to make some changes in response to changing global realities, and they even know of a few ways to save money in the process. Then here comes congress, farking up everything they look at, and forcing the military to put up with their crap.


Sounds exactly like what congress does to the USPS.
 
2012-07-30 04:09:34 PM

sprawl15: DarwiOdrade: squidgod2000: DarwiOdrade: The $3 billion at stake in this fight is not a large sum in Pentagon terms - it's roughly what the building spends every 82 minutes.

$3B in 82 minutes?

That's over $50B every day! One Romney ad says the debt increases $4B every day. So if we cut military spending by 10%, we'd be decreasing the debt by $1B every day. Not a lot compared to the debt, to be sure, but Jesus tap-dancing Christ, why are we not cutting military spending?!?!?!?!

The $3B isn't even remotely accurate.

So it's more? Less? Do you have anything to back up your claim, or are you just posting random shiat for the lulz?

$3B in 82 minutes
~$2.19B per hour
~$53B per day
~$19,229B per year

Were the number right, the Pentagon would be spending about 30x their budget every year.


And that's just terrible. Math, that is, by the author of TFA.
 
2012-07-30 04:55:23 PM

verbaltoxin: In the last decade, however, as hundreds were deployed to Iraq and later Afghanistan, a key shortcoming became apparent: Their flat bottoms made the Abrams surprisingly vulnerableto improvised explosive devices (IEDs). As a result, the Abrams in Iraq ended up being used as "pillboxes"- high-priced armored bunkers used to protect ground.

I gotta give the military credit, they routinely take gear that was made for a war they fought ages ago and adapt it to the current one, logic be damned. Our military, highly funded and powerful as it is, often functions in spite of itself and politicians' best wishes.


As a former Combat Engineer, all tanks in the world have always been susceptible to anti-tank mines. This is nothing new. The only people surprised by it was the media and families at home who thought their son was "safe" because he was in a tank.

To limit armor weight, tank designers don't protect each surface the same. Top and Bottom and Engine compartments are always thin skinned, always have been. It is an uncommon tank that can shoot another tank in the bottom.

What we were surprised by was command detonation of artillery shells as IEDs. We are also not fighting other tanks. Without tanks or vehicles to fight, tanks belong in the garage for the most part. Too expensive running them around all over the place
 
2012-07-30 07:24:14 PM
We must stop spending tons of tax dollars!!!

Except the tax dollars they are spending in my district. That's good tax dollars.
 
2012-07-30 07:32:14 PM
I was a tanker and tank mechanic.

The only M1 we had that got knocked out, drove over 2 anti-tank mines stacked. The crew was completely fine, but that bad boy went back for refurb.

The only other M1 that I knew of that got knocked out drove over a 500 lb bomb. It threw the turret like 50 feet away, not sure about that crew, but the pictures didn't look good.

So saying that they are very vulnerable to IEDs is just a bit misleading.

Bradleys on the other hand....
 
2012-07-30 07:35:42 PM

moanerific: I was a tanker and tank mechanic.

The only M1 we had that got knocked out, drove over 2 anti-tank mines stacked. The crew was completely fine, but that bad boy went back for refurb.

The only other M1 that I knew of that got knocked out drove over a 500 lb bomb. It threw the turret like 50 feet away, not sure about that crew, but the pictures didn't look good.

So saying that they are very vulnerable to IEDs is just a bit misleading.

Bradleys on the other hand....


Tanker Boots are the best shoes I've ever owned.
 
2012-07-30 08:48:15 PM
I'm sure we can cut $3 billion a day from foreign aid or something.
 
2012-07-31 09:37:05 AM

verbaltoxin: Here's how the Defense budget gets spent:

1Q: Beginning of fiscal year (Every October), all money gets assigned and doled out, down to the last grunt's mop for barracks latrine duty. This is also the time of year when most people go on leave for the holidays, so it's the nicest, quietest time of year for the DOD.

2Q: Most of that money is pretty much spent. Whatever isn't is locked up in some specific or obscure budget that can't be used very easily. It's at this point a lot of units start holding bake sales and running personal snack bars to have a company or squadron picnic, because the morale money was already spent on the Christmas party.

3Q: Commanders from the smallest unit up jockey and beg for whatever's left and is touchable w/in allocated budgets. Generals go to Congress to start asking for money next year (And hey, guess what time of year it is, and guess what this article's about!). This is when sh*t gets uber-political and contractors start lobbying the sh*t out of Congress.

4Q: Unspent funds in specific budgets (That can't just be tapped from willy-nilly and moved anywhere freely) is spent up immediately on useless junk so next October, everyone gets the same amount of money as last year.

Repeat every fiscal year, forever, until China calls in its favors.


Pretty much this!
 
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