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2012-07-30 11:36:04 AM  
If you haven't figured this out for yourself by now, then a study isn't going to change your mind.
 
2012-07-30 11:36:26 AM  
"Turn the dial to the left to watch MSNBC and it's more likely you lean left. Turn it to the right to tune in Fox, and it's more likely you lean right will suffer some mild brain damage."
 
2012-07-30 11:53:03 AM  
They're all biased, it just depends how you like your coffee frothed with your particular cream.
 
2012-07-30 11:55:04 AM  
If two news operations are reporting that 2+2=4 and one is reporting 2+2=16andIFyouDON'TagreeYOU'REaCOMMIE, there is only one that is showing bias.

The biggest problem is that now a number of them are going "On the left, 2 and 2 is 4. On the Right, 2 and 2 is 16. The truth must be somewhere in the middle. 2 and 2 is obviously 10."
 
2012-07-30 11:56:48 AM  
Two of those stations are incredibly biased. Two of those stations are also grossly incompetent. One station falls into both categories. I'll let you guess as to which one that is.
 
2012-07-30 11:58:19 AM  

AlwaysRightBoy: They're all biased, it just depends how you like your coffee frothed with your particular cream.


not quite.

fox actually fabricates "news" on a regular basis to support its political leanings. its president, roger ailes, has come out and said several times that he sees the network as a conservative counterweight to a perceived liberal bias in the news (wrongly perceived, as studies show). this means his network is NOT balanced. it is heavily weighted to the right. and not just to the right - it is weighted specifically to support the mainstream republican party (even newt gingrich complained about this during the primaries).

msnbc does employ two or three liberal pundits, but its news reportage is fairly down the middle.
 
2012-07-30 12:00:09 PM  

unlikely: The biggest problem is that now a number of them are going "On the left, 2 and 2 is 4. On the Right, 2 and 2 is 16. The truth must be somewhere in the middle. 2 and 2 is obviously 10."


this is why "balance" is wrong. bias is one thing - and you can account for it (newspapers have been right- or left-biased for hundreds of years).

the notion of "balance" in the new is laughable. you are entitled to your own opinions. you are NOT entitled to your own facts.
 
2012-07-30 12:00:40 PM  
TV news isn't.
 
2012-07-30 12:09:50 PM  
I was hoping the study actually had some information on the bias of the networks, but it doesn't.

All it talks about is the bias of the networks' viewers. I suppose you could extrapolate from that...but, it's an imperfect method at getting at the truth.
 
2012-07-30 12:44:42 PM  

FlashHarry: msnbc does employ two or three liberal pundits, but its news reportage is fairly down the middle.


I was just trying to imply that these networks are all biased to a degree. Some more so than others. Fox News is clearly biased. To me most of these news sources report "fairly down the middle" when they're just reporting the news.

I would think that people who watch all of these networks could see that.
 
2012-07-30 12:53:21 PM  
duh.

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2012-07-30 01:27:39 PM  
FTA: "Turn the dial to the left to watch MSNBC and it's more likely you lean left. Turn it to the right to tune in Fox, and it's more likely you lean right."

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2012-07-30 02:37:07 PM  
Damn, when are they going to learn? For a mere $25K, I could have told them this and saved them a lot of time.

/doesn't watch cable news at all
 
2012-07-30 02:38:21 PM  
CNN is just stupid.
 
2012-07-30 02:38:53 PM  
i98.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-30 02:38:59 PM  
Al Jazzera, the news that Americans trust!

I say that with a smile, pardner!

No wink. Just a smile.
 
2012-07-30 02:40:21 PM  
Q: Just how tired and worn out is this "debate"?

A: The horse is so dead its remains have made their way through the carbon cycle twice now.
 
2012-07-30 02:41:12 PM  
MSNBC may be biased, but poll after poll have shown that MSNBC viewers understaning of the world is actually, you know, more correct, than those of Fox News. So say what you will about bias, MSNBC is still more accurate than Fox.
 
2012-07-30 02:42:25 PM  
Just another reason why I only watch and read BBC News.
 
2012-07-30 02:42:58 PM  
Ignoring the fact that they are all idiotic and prone to sensationalizing things for ratings....I'm amazed that people figured out this bias.

Of course, for some channels...the bias in their opinion shows is different from bias present in their "straight" news segments. There's a reason that little "opinion" flag disappeared from Fox News shows.

Also, if one side proposes steal for dinner and one side advocates eating shiat....you don't discuss shiat covered hamburger as a compromise to pretend you are balanced. You discuss why steak is good or bad and you soundly denounce the retards advocating shiat for dinner.
 
2012-07-30 02:43:03 PM  
I get my news from the only news outlet that still has credibility...

www.mediabistro.com
 
2012-07-30 02:43:07 PM  

FlashHarry: AlwaysRightBoy: They're all biased, it just depends how you like your coffee frothed with your particular cream.

not quite.

... as a conservative counterweight to a perceived liberal bias in the news (wrongly perceived, as studies show) . .... but its news reportage is fairly down the middle.


3/10 on the troll

Can I get any type of citation on any of that? If you stance is that the major networks ABC, NBC, and CBS are not liberal leaning, then that is quite a statement.

Fox does lean right and everyone agrees that is what it is. The funny part is that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN all lean left and clearly deny it.

Every news media; paper, TV, blog, etc has a bias, you just have to figure it out
 
2012-07-30 02:43:12 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Two of those stations are incredibly biased. Two of those stations are also grossly incompetent. One station falls into both categories. I'll let you guess as to which one that is.


aaaaaaaaaaaaaand we're done here.
 
2012-07-30 02:43:13 PM  
Both sides are biased, but in general the right is much more biased than the left. Twenty to thirty years ago, is was the other way around. Perhaps in another thirty years it'll even out.
 
2012-07-30 02:43:32 PM  
While I'd like to say it's just two differing viewpoints, I can't because one side is full tilt, bonkers nuts.

You can watch any of their talk shows, write down their major claims and fact check them to see they are mostly or completely false.

What do you expect from a 'news' network that routinely denies evolution, climate change and carbon dating.

Apparently the 'good ole days' they talk about returning to are the Dark Ages.
 
2012-07-30 02:44:04 PM  

unlikely: The biggest problem is that now a number of them are going "On the left, 2 and 2 is 4. On the Right, 2 and 2 is 16. The truth must be somewhere in the middle. 2 and 2 is obviously 10."



If nobody's mention it yet, it's sometimes called the argument to moderation, although I think "compromise fallacy" would be a better term.
 
2012-07-30 02:44:30 PM  

JohnCarter: The funny part is that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN all lean left and clearly deny it.


i.imgur.com

What are you basing this ridiculous assertion on?
 
2012-07-30 02:44:44 PM  
When I worked as a production assistant at Fox News, I got to see how bias is created firsthand. Say a story comes in about a woman in Florida who had her house repossessed after being laid off for contracting IBS. So, to make a full blown story out of this, we need to get a real estate expert, an unemployment expert, and a doctor who specializes in diseases of the lower bowel. There are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of possible choices to contact.

To find out if a person was right for the show, we'd ask them a single screening question: if your daughter was raped by an endangered lowland gorilla, would you have the animal killed knowing that it was one of the last of its species?

We only took the people who said "No, I wouldn't have the animal killed." Why? Because Fox News only wants people who are down with gorilla rape. We loved it. On birthdays, we'd order sheet cakes printed with gorilla rape scenes. I got a gorilla rape shower curtain for the holidays. If you look in Shepard Smith's wallet, you won't find pictures of his kids. You'll find a close-up of a gorilla raping something to pieces.
 
2012-07-30 02:46:12 PM  
What this country needs is some sort of non-profit, publicly-funded broadcast entity, financially supported by the consumers of the news. An entity that isn't beholden to ratings, sponsorship, etc.

I'll put this on my list behind my idea for a Blockbuster Video for books.
 
2012-07-30 02:46:15 PM  
I haven't checked in a long time, but I wonder if I can still get Cuban AM radio. It's likely less biased than either Kabletown News or Fox News.
 
2012-07-30 02:46:46 PM  

Coming on a Bicycle: CNN is just stupid.


It's not that right wingers watch Fox news. It's that those who identify as "Fark you I've got mine" watch Fox News.
 
2012-07-30 02:47:10 PM  

qorkfiend: JohnCarter: The funny part is that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN all lean left and clearly deny it.

What are you basing this ridiculous assertion on?


Observation?
 
2012-07-30 02:47:43 PM  

JohnCarter: FlashHarry: AlwaysRightBoy: They're all biased, it just depends how you like your coffee frothed with your particular cream.

not quite.

... as a conservative counterweight to a perceived liberal bias in the news (wrongly perceived, as studies show) . .... but its news reportage is fairly down the middle.

3/10 on the troll

Can I get any type of citation on any of that? If you stance is that the major networks ABC, NBC, and CBS are not liberal leaning, then that is quite a statement.

Fox does lean right and everyone agrees that is what it is. The funny part is that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN all lean left and clearly deny it.

Every news media; paper, TV, blog, etc has a bias, you just have to figure it out


The Universe is left leaning so by reporting the truth, yes, non-fox networks are left leaning.

Right:
Pissed off god with phallic size issues created everything
Rich is right
Poor is nothing
Science is evil

Left:
Anything else
 
2012-07-30 02:47:53 PM  

StrikitRich: qorkfiend: JohnCarter: The funny part is that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN all lean left and clearly deny it.

What are you basing this ridiculous assertion on?

Observation?


Such as?
 
2012-07-30 02:48:10 PM  
Fox, MSNBC viewers see world differently

Who cares? What matters is which one lines up with reality.
 
2012-07-30 02:48:45 PM  

qorkfiend: JohnCarter: The funny part is that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN all lean left and clearly deny it.



What are you basing this ridiculous assertion on?


Fox News is biased to the right. CNN, msnbc, and abc don't report the same things as Fox, therefore they are left biased.

It's all right there.
 
2012-07-30 02:51:10 PM  
Most media leans left. Been that way since the late 50s. The journalism schools at the major colleges and universities have been left-leaning for longer than I can remember. One of CBS' mid-level or upper-level guys published a book with the data in the 90s. And a second book two or three years later with newer info. Now, it is inbred with 90% of it's "reporters" and talking heads vote Demo straight ticket. Producers and assistants same voting. ABC, CBS, & NBC have been losing news viewership for the last 20 years.

It goes all the way to the local level. The Cox newspapers and Atlanta's local news 'casts are horribly tilted left to where their readership/viewership have been falling also. The newspaper, "Atlanta Pravda & Tass" had to shrink the paper size to cut costs from lower subscription numbers.

TANSTAAFL - there ain't no such thing as a free lunch. Most people know this and move away from the strident liberal push for more & bigger government.
 
2012-07-30 02:51:14 PM  
If you believe that there is now, or has ever been, a liberal bias in the American media, you are too stupid to be allowed to vote. In fact, you are too stupid to be allowed to reproduce. If you have not yet had kids, please geld yourselves. If you have had kids, please tear out your tongue so you can't preach your bullshiat to them. For safe measure, geld them too.
 
2012-07-30 02:52:16 PM  
 
2012-07-30 02:52:45 PM  

Dark Overlord: Most media leans left. Been that way since the late 50s. The journalism schools at the major colleges and universities have been left-leaning for longer than I can remember. One of CBS' mid-level or upper-level guys published a book with the data in the 90s. And a second book two or three years later with newer info. Now, it is inbred with 90% of it's "reporters" and talking heads vote Demo straight ticket. Producers and assistants same voting. ABC, CBS, & NBC have been losing news viewership for the last 20 years.

It goes all the way to the local level. The Cox newspapers and Atlanta's local news 'casts are horribly tilted left to where their readership/viewership have been falling also. The newspaper, "Atlanta Pravda & Tass" had to shrink the paper size to cut costs from lower subscription numbers.

TANSTAAFL - there ain't no such thing as a free lunch. Most people know this and move away from the strident liberal push for more & bigger government.


Surely it would be trivial to provide data, instead of allusions to data, to support your assertions.
 
2012-07-30 02:53:00 PM  
It's almost impossible to report news without including some bias. Otherwise it would just be a dry list of facts. That being said, my impression of the networks:
Fox: An official mouthpiece for the GOP
MSNBC: A news channel that happens to have liberal opinions
CNN: A complete joke that's turning into noting but entertainment news.
 
2012-07-30 02:53:15 PM  
Don't need any. Just Al Jazeera English. Not afraid of show graphic footage, provides mostly stable discussions between two sides and covers more world events than American media would even bother to cover.

/Al Jazeera Arabic is really bad though
 
2012-07-30 02:53:43 PM  

FlashHarry: unlikely: The biggest problem is that now a number of them are going "On the left, 2 and 2 is 4. On the Right, 2 and 2 is 16. The truth must be somewhere in the middle. 2 and 2 is obviously 10."

this is why "balance" is wrong. bias is one thing - and you can account for it (newspapers have been right- or left-biased for hundreds of years).

the notion of "balance" in the new is laughable. you are entitled to your own opinions. you are NOT entitled to your own facts.


I really do wish people would stop saying anyone and everyone is entitled to their own opinions. We are all free to form our opinions, but more important than that is that we all have the responsibility to make sure our opinions aren't f*cking pants-on-head retarded.
 
2012-07-30 02:54:16 PM  

Coming on a Bicycle: CNN is just stupid.


Can't spell CNN without twitte and an r
 
2012-07-30 02:54:33 PM  
When was the last time a television remote had a dial?
 
2012-07-30 02:55:28 PM  
Here's a rough diagram:

L...........................MSNBC............C....................... . ...................................................................... ..............Fox

So one is left and one is right and that makes them roughly equivalent right?

All you have to do is be able to make false equivalencies to call yourself a journalist these days.
 
2012-07-30 02:57:30 PM  
They spend more than a billion dollars to get elected because they can make it back, hand over fist.

They are just squabbling over which ones get the lion's share.
 
2012-07-30 02:57:46 PM  
In Maine they have a scale model of the solar system.

The Sun is on the campus of the University of Maine in Presque Isle (French for "almost an island", i.e., a peninsula). The partisanship of Fox News is somewhere beyond Pluto (Houlton, ME). I'm guessing it is offshore near Mount Desert Island, and its famous old-timey resort town, Bar Harbor.

http://astroguyz.com/2008/07/24/the-maine-solar-system-model-an-updat e /

For Canadians, the distance is about the same as Woodstock, NB, to Perth Andover, NB, with McCain Land in between (Fredericton in the other direction, might be easier to visualize). Perth Andover is where the winner of the Touch Bellini Contest on Kids in the Hall got to touch Belleni (wearing a hotel room towel). IIRC, the winner was a Hickey. Hickey is a common name in the area. Maybe he was a Hicks.

In the history of the world, about the only events that have ever happened in or near Perth-Andover, New Brunswick, was the Touch Bellini Contest and the Aroostook War. Neither of them were our finest hour as a species. But more people knew about the Touch Bellini Contest.

I'm sorry we lost Aroostook County to the State of ME. All those potato fields could have been ours, and also a much shorter route to Upper Canada, with fewer icy hills.

The weather in Presque Isle, Maine is the same as the weather in McCain Land, except one hour earlier. The McCains have their private executive airport in New Brunswick and their control tower in the USA. The multi-billion dollar food giant and this international airport are Florenceville, NB's claim to fame (not bad for a village of 700 or so).

But I digress.

Suffice to say that Fox News is further out there than the Way Outs on the Inter-Galactic Iditerod Dog Sled Race. CNN and the other corporate news sources don't seem all that much less crazier than batshiat sorbet.
 
2012-07-30 02:58:22 PM  

Dark Overlord: Most media leans left.


Because reality leans left. Most media tend to report reality. This was shocking to you.

Dark Overlord: Been that way since the late 50s.


Agreed.

Dark Overlord: The journalism schools at the major colleges and universities have been left-leaning for longer than I can remember.


Journalism schools teach kids to report facts and reality. This was an enormous shock to you.

Dark Overlord: Now, it is inbred with 90% of it's "reporters" and talking heads vote Demo straight ticket.


This made up conservative talking point brought to you by American Conservative University. Some libby-lib-o-lib will probably counter it with their left leaning factual bias. Not me!

Dark Overlord: ABC, CBS, & NBC have been losing news viewership for the last 20 years.


Reality and facts are not determined by viewership. This was a huge shock to you.

Dark Overlord: The Cox newspapers and Atlanta's local news 'casts are horribly tilted left


The local newspapers report reality. Reality horribly tilts left.

This shocking post brought to you by Lenny.
 
2012-07-30 02:59:12 PM  

Ayn Rand's Cervix: Coming on a Bicycle: CNN is just stupid.

It's not that right wingers watch Fox news. It's that those who identify as "Fark you I've got mine" watch Fox News.


I call them the "Me / Now" personality type, because that's what drives them. They're the kind of people that only care about themselves, but not even their future selves, only themselves right now.
 
2012-07-30 02:59:47 PM  
If anyone seriously thinks MSNBC, CBS, CNN, ABS, et al are any less biased towards the other direction that Fox news, you are probably delusional
 
2012-07-30 02:59:49 PM  

FlashHarry: fox actually fabricates "news" on a regular basis to support its political leanings. its president, roger ailes, has come out and said several times that he sees the network as a conservative counterweight to a perceived liberal bias in the news (wrongly perceived, as studies show). this means his network is NOT balanced. it is heavily weighted to the right. and not just to the right - it is weighted specifically to support the mainstream republican party (even newt gingrich complained about this during the primaries).


JohnCarter: Can I get any type of citation on any of that? If you stance is that the major networks ABC, NBC, and CBS are not liberal leaning, then that is quite a statement.


Since you asked nicely, sure, assuming you're willing to take "less accurate" or "spreads misinformation" as synonymous with "biased."

Or, if you want an admission of bias, here.
 
2012-07-30 02:59:56 PM  

Carn: Here's a rough diagram:

L...........................MSNBC............C....................... . ...................................................................... ..............Fox


Looks a lot like another diagram:

L...........................Democrats...........Obama.C.............. . ...................................................................... ...................................................................... Right................................................................. ...................................................................... .............................Republicans
 
2012-07-30 03:01:08 PM  
"...say more government regulation will hurt business and the economy"

What an odd question. Seriously, how can anyone answer this properly? It all depends on their purpose, doesn't it? They can't all be unnecessary. A few better banking regulations and we wouldn't be in the mess we're in at the moment.
 
2012-07-30 03:01:35 PM  

ciberido: Or, if you want an admission of bias, here.


Your link has no admission of bias at all. Can I get you to admit you're full of shiat?
 
2012-07-30 03:02:34 PM  

Coming on a Bicycle: CNN is just stupid.


I remember when they first started up, and they had to scramble to scrape up any bit of local news footage from around the country just to fill a 24-hour news cycle. As their fortunes increased, they got better at what they were doing, until by the time Gulf War I rolled around, they were pretty much the go-to guys for news. Since then, they've devolved into a platform for celebrity gossip and updates, with a tiny bit of news thrown in as filler.

How the mighty have fallen.
 
2012-07-30 03:03:07 PM  
Without reading the article I'll guess:

Fox: Biased
MSNBC: A little biased
CNN: Who gives a fark since it's all just 'iReporters' and twitter feeds anyway.
 
2012-07-30 03:08:03 PM  
I initially wondered what will happen when reality really differs from what the news covers over and over again. Say the coming election for example:

News Media: "It's a tight race."
ELECTION LAND SLIDE!
Viewer: "Hmm....they're not very good at this. Maybe I shouldn't trust them".

Then it occured to me I have far too much faith in the typical television viewer...

Perhaps this will change with the internet generations. The Boomers grew up with television and newspapers you could trust (More so than today anyhow). We, though I say that as someone who stradles the line, grew up with a system where the safest stance is to never give the benefit of the doubt and to be cynical of any information presented by default. Might be harder to misinform the untrusting.
 
2012-07-30 03:08:38 PM  
To me the difference between Fox News and MSNBC is that Fox News is actually lying to their viewers. They report things that are actually untrue, under the guise of editorialization or opinion, but it's (intentionally) not clear when they are doing this and not just reporting news.

In addition, Fox News viewers are somewhat dim bulbs compared to national averages, there's no way any of them understand what's actually happening. The executives at Fox News are perfectly okay with this, in fact they've defended their right to legally continue doing this.

That's the difference, MSNBC is absolutley biased, but I don't believe that they are intentionally trying to mislead viewers or are outright lying about what's actually going on.

One adjustment to this chart.

lennavan: L...........................MSNBC............C....................... . ........Pants on head crazy...................... ..............Fox

 
2012-07-30 03:08:51 PM  

skodabunny: "...say more government regulation will hurt business and the economy"

What an odd question. Seriously, how can anyone answer this properly? It all depends on their purpose, doesn't it? They can't all be unnecessary. A few better banking regulations and we wouldn't be in the mess we're in at the moment.


I remember taking a sample CLEP (I think it was CLEP) test on American Government. One of the questions was "what has been the primary cause of deficit increase in the United States budget?"

The correct answer, of course, is "we spend more than we take in."

The options were "Democratic policies", "Republican policies", "failure to cut social programs" and "citizens expectations of services".

The correct answer is apparently "citizens expectations of services".
 
2012-07-30 03:11:31 PM  
The difference:

MSNBC viewers know that MSNBC has a strong liberal bias.
FOX viewers think that FOX is fair and balanced and has no bias.
 
2012-07-30 03:13:14 PM  

JohnCarter: Fox does lean right and everyone agrees that is what it is. The funny part is that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN all lean left and clearly deny it.


I don't know, every time I watch ABC Nightly News with Diane Sawyer, I want to wave American flags, yell out the Pledge of Allegiance, and maybe punch a Chinaman.
 
2012-07-30 03:13:46 PM  

Arkanaut: JohnCarter: Fox does lean right and everyone agrees that is what it is. The funny part is that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN all lean left and clearly deny it.

I don't know, every time I watch ABC Nightly News with Diane Sawyer, I want to wave American flags, yell out the Pledge of Allegiance, and maybe punch a Chinaman.


"Chinaman" is not the preferred nomenclature. "Asian-American" please.
 
2012-07-30 03:16:21 PM  
I'm guessing just about as biased as Rupert Murdoch, General Electric and Time/Warner, respectively.
 
2012-07-30 03:17:06 PM  

lennavan: L................Nixon.........Goldwater................Democrats.. .......Reagan..........Obama.C.............. . ...................................................................... ...................................................................... Right................................................................. ...................................................................... .............................Republicans


FTFY
 
2012-07-30 03:17:31 PM  
www.ethannonsequitur.com

People still watch cable news?

You should probably stop that.

They all perpetuate the culture of anti-intellectualism to some degree. Obviously, Fox is the fountain of imbecility, but the others are hardly better. When it comes to news, I'd rather listen to the radio or read an article or two than let some talking head tell me what some other talking head made up.
 
2012-07-30 03:17:43 PM  

Jerkwater: What this country needs is some sort of non-profit, publicly-funded broadcast entity, financially supported by the consumers of the news. An entity that isn't beholden to ratings, sponsorship, etc.


So .... like the British Broadcasting Corporation?
 
2012-07-30 03:17:51 PM  

lennavan: Carn: Here's a rough diagram:

L...........................MSNBC............C....................... . ...................................................................... ..............Fox

Looks a lot like another diagram:

L...........................Democrats...........Obama.C.............. . ...................................................................... ...................................................................... Right................................................................. ...................................................................... .............................Republicans


You could even argue that it should be C.Obama, depending on how you're defining the center.
 
2012-07-30 03:24:30 PM  

lennavan: ciberido: Or, if you want an admission of bias, here.

Your link has no admission of bias at all. Can I get you to admit you're full of shiat?


I'll be happy to admit that if you'll admit you're both too lazy AND too stupid to Google "roger ailes admits bias."
 
2012-07-30 03:24:38 PM  
Fox is straight up GOP propaganda, they're not just right wing they're GOP.

MSNBC has liberal commentators at night but most of the day they function much like CNN

CNN is the E! channel with some light news served up by morans who couldn't break it down for you if they had a hammer.


Fox is too funny, they're more bold about their bias than ever, and you can chat with any true fox viewer for just a few minutes and see why.

Much like a cult fox slowly convinced their viewers that what they say is right and anyone questioning their words is only doing so to trick you/lie to you...just like fox warned you they would.
decades from now Fox will either be something incredulous teens read about in class or a sprawling gated compound from which no one ever returns.
 
2012-07-30 03:27:41 PM  

ciberido: Jerkwater: What this country needs is some sort of non-profit, publicly-funded broadcast entity, financially supported by the consumers of the news. An entity that isn't beholden to ratings, sponsorship, etc.

So .... like the British Broadcasting Corporation?


Auntie is generally pretty awesome. Her news manages to piss off people on both the left and the right who cry about unfavourable bias over the same reports. That suggests to me they pretty much get it right.
 
GBB
2012-07-30 03:30:49 PM  

DeltaPunch: "Turn the dial to the left to watch MSNBC and it's more likely you lean left. Turn it to the right to tune in Fox, and it's more likely you lean right will suffer some mild brain damage."


Dial?? What "dial"??
 
2012-07-30 03:31:00 PM  
Imagine if ABC, CBS, or NBC (even CNN) promoted a political party (or "grass roots" political movement) so brazenly. It wouldn't happen.


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Yeah, both sides are the same.
 
2012-07-30 03:34:16 PM  
There are people who still call CNN the Communist News Network, because it's "a liberal opinion paradise." Only Fox news is moderate to these folks.

/These folks are also morans.
 
2012-07-30 03:36:23 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Arkanaut: JohnCarter: Fox does lean right and everyone agrees that is what it is. The funny part is that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN all lean left and clearly deny it.

I don't know, every time I watch ABC Nightly News with Diane Sawyer, I want to wave American flags, yell out the Pledge of Allegiance, and maybe punch a Chinaman.

"Chinaman" is not the preferred nomenclature. "Asian-American" please.


It's cool, I'm a chink too.

/I'm "owning" the word
 
2012-07-30 03:36:24 PM  

Twilight Spark: There are people who still call CNN the Communist News Network, because it's "a liberal opinion paradise." Only Fox news is moderate to these folks.

/These folks are also morans.


right, I mean Fox totally gave Obama a pass when he served up that super fake long form BC.
Sheriff Joe is center and fox is to the left.
 
2012-07-30 03:38:14 PM  

ciberido: lennavan: ciberido: Or, if you want an admission of bias, here.

Your link has no admission of bias at all. Can I get you to admit you're full of shiat?

I'll be happy to admit that if you'll admit you're both too lazy AND too stupid to Google "roger ailes admits bias."


So when you said "if you want an admission of bias, here" what you really meant was "if you want an admission of bias, not really here but you can totally google it?"

Interesting.
 
2012-07-30 03:40:28 PM  
So, MSNBC is "biased" because why? Because they don't shriek nonsense 24/7.

got it
 
2012-07-30 03:43:13 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Without reading the article I'll guess:

Fox: Biased
MSNBC: A little biased
CNN: Who gives a fark since it's all just 'iReporters' and twitter feeds anyway.


That is what the numbers show but they don't make the connection in the article. In an attempt to be balanced, I am sure.
 
2012-07-30 03:44:58 PM  

unlikely: If two news operations are reporting that 2+2=4 and one is reporting 2+2=16andIFyouDON'TagreeYOU'REaCOMMIE, there is only one that is showing bias.

The biggest problem is that now a number of them are going "On the left, 2 and 2 is 4. On the Right, 2 and 2 is 16. The truth must be somewhere in the middle. 2 and 2 is obviously 10."


[bearsrepeating.jpg]
 
2012-07-30 03:45:03 PM  

lennavan: ciberido: lennavan: ciberido: Or, if you want an admission of bias, here.

Your link has no admission of bias at all. Can I get you to admit you're full of shiat?

I'll be happy to admit that if you'll admit you're both too lazy AND too stupid to Google "roger ailes admits bias."

So when you said "if you want an admission of bias, here" what you really meant was "if you want an admission of bias, not really here but you can totally google it?"

Interesting.


Here is a citation that has links to both Ailes and Chris Wallace admitting it.

Link
 
2012-07-30 03:45:15 PM  

Arkanaut: Lord Dimwit: Arkanaut: JohnCarter: Fox does lean right and everyone agrees that is what it is. The funny part is that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN all lean left and clearly deny it.

I don't know, every time I watch ABC Nightly News with Diane Sawyer, I want to wave American flags, yell out the Pledge of Allegiance, and maybe punch a Chinaman.

"Chinaman" is not the preferred nomenclature. "Asian-American" please.

It's cool, I'm a chink too.

/I'm "owning" the word


You, sir, are obviously not a golfer.
 
2012-07-30 03:49:06 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Arkanaut: Lord Dimwit: Arkanaut: JohnCarter: Fox does lean right and everyone agrees that is what it is. The funny part is that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN all lean left and clearly deny it.

I don't know, every time I watch ABC Nightly News with Diane Sawyer, I want to wave American flags, yell out the Pledge of Allegiance, and maybe punch a Chinaman.

"Chinaman" is not the preferred nomenclature. "Asian-American" please.

It's cool, I'm a chink too.

/I'm "owning" the word

You, sir, are obviously not a golfer.


Apparently not. I do promise, however, to never pee either in your coke or on your rug.
 
2012-07-30 03:53:03 PM  

brantgoose: In Maine they have a scale model of the solar system.

The Sun is on the campus of the University of Maine in Presque Isle (French for "almost an island", i.e., a peninsula). The partisanship of Fox News is somewhere beyond Pluto (Houlton, ME). I'm guessing it is offshore near Mount Desert Island, and its famous old-timey resort town, Bar Harbor.

http://astroguyz.com/2008/07/24/the-maine-solar-system-model-an-updat e /

For Canadians, the distance is about the same as Woodstock, NB, to Perth Andover, NB, with McCain Land in between (Fredericton in the other direction, might be easier to visualize). Perth Andover is where the winner of the Touch Bellini Contest on Kids in the Hall got to touch Belleni (wearing a hotel room towel). IIRC, the winner was a Hickey. Hickey is a common name in the area. Maybe he was a Hicks.

In the history of the world, about the only events that have ever happened in or near Perth-Andover, New Brunswick, was the Touch Bellini Contest and the Aroostook War. Neither of them were our finest hour as a species. But more people knew about the Touch Bellini Contest.

I'm sorry we lost Aroostook County to the State of ME. All those potato fields could have been ours, and also a much shorter route to Upper Canada, with fewer icy hills.

The weather in Presque Isle, Maine is the same as the weather in McCain Land, except one hour earlier. The McCains have their private executive airport in New Brunswick and their control tower in the USA. The multi-billion dollar food giant and this international airport are Florenceville, NB's claim to fame (not bad for a village of 700 or so).

But I digress.

Suffice to say that Fox News is further out there than the Way Outs on the Inter-Galactic Iditerod Dog Sled Race. CNN and the other corporate news sources don't seem all that much less crazier than batshiat sorbet.



I have no idea what you are talking about, but I'd like an introduction to your doctor / drug dealer.
 
2012-07-30 03:55:16 PM  

Arkanaut: Lord Dimwit: Arkanaut: Lord Dimwit: Arkanaut: JohnCarter: Fox does lean right and everyone agrees that is what it is. The funny part is that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN all lean left and clearly deny it.

I don't know, every time I watch ABC Nightly News with Diane Sawyer, I want to wave American flags, yell out the Pledge of Allegiance, and maybe punch a Chinaman.

"Chinaman" is not the preferred nomenclature. "Asian-American" please.

It's cool, I'm a chink too.

/I'm "owning" the word

You, sir, are obviously not a golfer.

Apparently not. I do promise, however, to never pee either in your coke or on your rug.


Watch The Big Lebowski. Your life will be better for it. :)
 
2012-07-30 03:56:40 PM  

Sabyen91: lennavan: ciberido: lennavan: ciberido: Or, if you want an admission of bias, here.

Your link has no admission of bias at all. Can I get you to admit you're full of shiat?

I'll be happy to admit that if you'll admit you're both too lazy AND too stupid to Google "roger ailes admits bias."

So when you said "if you want an admission of bias, here" what you really meant was "if you want an admission of bias, not really here but you can totally google it?"

Interesting.

Here is a citation that has links to both Ailes and Chris Wallace admitting it.

Link


My comment of course was to point out when declaring you have a link to an admission of bias, you might want to make sure your link contains an admission of bias.

My comment was not meant to be taken as disagreement that Fox News is biased.
 
2012-07-30 03:57:29 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Arkanaut: Lord Dimwit: Arkanaut: Lord Dimwit: Arkanaut: JohnCarter: Fox does lean right and everyone agrees that is what it is. The funny part is that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN all lean left and clearly deny it.

I don't know, every time I watch ABC Nightly News with Diane Sawyer, I want to wave American flags, yell out the Pledge of Allegiance, and maybe punch a Chinaman.

"Chinaman" is not the preferred nomenclature. "Asian-American" please.

It's cool, I'm a chink too.

/I'm "owning" the word

You, sir, are obviously not a golfer.

Apparently not. I do promise, however, to never pee either in your coke or on your rug.

Watch The Big Lebowski. Your life will be better for it. :)


Then he might know where his peeing on the rug reference came from. ;)
 
2012-07-30 03:58:39 PM  

lennavan: Sabyen91: lennavan: ciberido: lennavan: ciberido: Or, if you want an admission of bias, here.

Your link has no admission of bias at all. Can I get you to admit you're full of shiat?

I'll be happy to admit that if you'll admit you're both too lazy AND too stupid to Google "roger ailes admits bias."

So when you said "if you want an admission of bias, here" what you really meant was "if you want an admission of bias, not really here but you can totally google it?"

Interesting.

Here is a citation that has links to both Ailes and Chris Wallace admitting it.

Link

My comment of course was to point out when declaring you have a link to an admission of bias, you might want to make sure your link contains an admission of bias.

My comment was not meant to be taken as disagreement that Fox News is biased.


Sure, I understand. Just providing a proper link.
 
2012-07-30 04:03:52 PM  

Sabyen91: lennavan: Sabyen91: lennavan: ciberido: lennavan: ciberido: Or, if you want an admission of bias, here.

Your link has no admission of bias at all. Can I get you to admit you're full of shiat?

I'll be happy to admit that if you'll admit you're both too lazy AND too stupid to Google "roger ailes admits bias."

So when you said "if you want an admission of bias, here" what you really meant was "if you want an admission of bias, not really here but you can totally google it?"

Interesting.

Here is a citation that has links to both Ailes and Chris Wallace admitting it.

Link

My comment of course was to point out when declaring you have a link to an admission of bias, you might want to make sure your link contains an admission of bias.

My comment was not meant to be taken as disagreement that Fox News is biased.

Sure, I understand. Just providing a proper link.


Fair enough. Personally, I prefer Steve Doocey reading the Republican Talking Points Memo on the air.
 
2012-07-30 04:08:57 PM  
From TFA: "If you blame it on anything, I'll blame it on Fox News and CNN," he said. "All those folks showing their side of the story and not the whole picture. They've got the country split in two."

Horseshiat. Blame the people on both the left and the right that consume this product thinking it has anything to do with 'news'. It doesn't. Cable news exists for one reason: to get you to sit through commercials. It's nothing more than reality TV with slightly better production values & more flags.

Want to reduce the influence money has on politics? Stop watching/listening to political ads.
 
2012-07-30 04:16:15 PM  

unlikely: lennavan: L................Nixon.........Goldwater................Democrats.. .......Reagan..........Obama.C.............. . ...................................................................... ...................................................................... Right................................................................. ...................................................................... .............................Republicans

FTFY


This is pretty much spot on.

/voted Nixon & Reagan
//too young to vote Goldwater, or probably would have


~ wouldn't vote Rep now to save my soul. Wait, That's an oxymoron...if I voted republican, I wouldn't possess a soul, so if I voted repub to save my soul, do I get a soul, or lose a turn and have to spin again and Palin becomes president?
 
2012-07-30 04:22:55 PM  

qorkfiend: What are you basing this ridiculous assertion on?


CUZ FOX SED
 
2012-07-30 04:25:34 PM  

NeoCortex42: It's almost impossible to report news without including some bias. Otherwise it would just be a dry list of facts. That being said, my impression of the networks:
Fox: An official mouthpiece for the GOP
MSNBC: A news channel that happens to have liberal opinions
CNN: A complete joke that's turning into noting but entertainment news.


This sounds about right.
 
2012-07-30 04:33:07 PM  
Remember before Fox News how CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC were unbiased?

Yeah, me neither.

News has never been unbiased and never will be.

www.hearstcastle.org
 
2012-07-30 05:16:10 PM  

unexplained bacon: Fox is straight up GOP propaganda, they're not just right wing they're GOP.

MSNBC has liberal commentators at night but most of the day they function much like CNN

CNN is the E! channel with some light news served up by morans who couldn't break it down for you if they had a hammer.


Fox is too funny, they're more bold about their bias than ever, and you can chat with any true fox viewer for just a few minutes and see why.

Much like a cult fox slowly convinced their viewers that what they say is right and anyone questioning their words is only doing so to trick you/lie to you...just like fox warned you they would.
decades from now Fox will either be something incredulous teens read about in class or a sprawling gated compound from which no one ever returns.


MSNBC also has conservative commentators, but every time I see that brought up it's ignored or rationalized away as being unimportant.
 
2012-07-30 05:24:33 PM  

AiryAnne: Remember before Fox News how CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC were unbiased?


Since CNN, ABC, NBC, and CBS don't report on the same things as Fox, therefore it's biased.

Ironclad logic you got there.
 
2012-07-30 05:28:13 PM  

Dark Overlord: The Cox newspapers and Atlanta's local news 'casts are horribly tilted left to where their readership/viewership have been falling also.


As he says without a hint of irony in the fact that WSB radio is also owned by Cox (You know...the same folks who own WSB-TV and the AJC). And coincidentally WSB's listenership has been going down as well so right-wing tilted media in Atlanta is falling as well.

Dark Overlord: The newspaper, "Atlanta Pravda & Tass" had to shrink the paper size to cut costs from lower subscription numbers.


That's not even clever. That doesn't even sound remotely close to Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Man, you guys really do suck at coming up with clever insults huh?
 
2012-07-30 05:39:27 PM  

qorkfiend: JohnCarter: The funny part is that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN all lean left and clearly deny it.

[i.imgur.com image 600x258]

What are you basing this ridiculous assertion on?


He heard it on Fox News, so it must be true.

They're "Fair & Balanced."

(Also heard that on Fox News.)
 
2012-07-30 05:51:07 PM  

unlikely: If two news operations are reporting that 2+2=4 and one is reporting 2+2=16andIFyouDON'TagreeYOU'REaCOMMIE, there is only one that is showing bias.

The biggest problem is that now a number of them are going "On the left, 2 and 2 is 4. On the Right, 2 and 2 is 16. The truth must be somewhere in the middle. 2 and 2 is obviously 10."


^^^^ This ^^^^

Also note how this situation favors the Republican... (by proclaiming the truth the be in the middle, a "wrong" answer "wins" in this scenario 2-1)
 
2012-07-30 06:01:19 PM  

AlwaysRightBoy: They're all biased, it just depends how you like your coffee frothed with your particular cream.


But not even remotely to equal degrees. MSNBC has Morning Joe... what's the Fox equivalent? Fox is 24/7 right-wing propaganda. MSNBC is only about 12-14/hrs/day left-wing propaganda.

Not the same.
 
2012-07-30 06:01:46 PM  
That is some ground-breaking reportage!
 
2012-07-30 06:07:13 PM  
I'll usually watch a little of both, just for the absurdity of it all. Which is fun if you don't take them too seriously.

What's interesting is how The Newsroom on HBO has a premise where that show is going to cut through the partisan bullshiat of those two networks, presumably, and the newscast ends up sounding just like MSNBC.
 
2012-07-30 06:27:12 PM  
MSNBC has a few hours of biased programming a day. The rest of the day, they generally don't exhibit bias.

Fox News, even during straight news segments, shows a CLEAR bias toward the Republican Party and hyper-religious conservatism, and/or a clear bias against Democrats and "liberal causes" that Democrats don't even support (ie: severe restrictions of gun rights). Even during RED EYE, you can't go five minutes without hearing something like "well doesn't that make Obama a communist?"
 
2012-07-30 06:32:10 PM  

unlikely: If two news operations are reporting that 2+2=4 and one is reporting 2+2=16andIFyouDON'TagreeYOU'REaCOMMIE, there is only one that is showing bias.

The biggest problem is that now a number of them are going "On the left, 2 and 2 is 4. On the Right, 2 and 2 is 16. The truth must be somewhere in the middle. 2 and 2 is obviously 10."


If you're an infant or a member of a remote tribe in the Amazon that has not developed the concept of integers, 2 and 2 is obviously 8.
 
2012-07-30 06:35:02 PM  
Turn the dial to the left to watch MSNBC and it's more likely you lean left. Turn it to the right to tune in Fox, and it's more likely you lean right.

Somebody needs to upgrade to a television manufactured after 1970s, he's probably getting tired of always adjusting the rabbit ears.
 
2012-07-30 06:51:33 PM  
Fox Noise

Faux News

Fixed News

Fake News

Foxhole News

keeping Big Business propaganda alive with the masses of American Sheeple in the 21st Century.
 
2012-07-30 06:53:42 PM  
For entertainment (and boobies), watch Foxy News. the lies and bullsh*t will make you laugh.

for News, watch MSNBC and PBS

for even better News, get online and google news.
 
2012-07-30 06:54:53 PM  
Fox News is not "news"... it's an opinion station and their opinion is that Republicans and Conservatives should always be cast in a good light and anything anyone else says is "liberal bias"...

Fox News is not just an outlier, they're outright liars and admit as much.

If you have to skew the stories as much as Fox News does to fit their ideology, you don't have an ideology worth having.
 
2012-07-30 06:58:48 PM  
Princeton Philosophy Professor Harry G. Frankfort on Bullsh*t. SFW


Link
 
2012-07-30 07:10:08 PM  

brianbankerus: AlwaysRightBoy: They're all biased, it just depends how you like your coffee frothed with your particular cream.

But not even remotely to equal degrees. MSNBC has Morning Joe... what's the Fox equivalent? Fox is 24/7 right-wing propaganda. MSNBC is only about 12-14/hrs/day left-wing propaganda.

Not the same.


Blinders...

I come from one of the most democrat families that you can ever imagine.
My sister was head of the party in NH for many, many years in Concord. 20 something years to be exact. I've met Bill, I've met Hillary and Al

My sister also held a fundraiser for the idiot Kerry in her democratic mansion.


/funny how politics work
 
2012-07-30 07:20:00 PM  

AlwaysRightBoy: brianbankerus: AlwaysRightBoy: They're all biased, it just depends how you like your coffee frothed with your particular cream.

But not even remotely to equal degrees. MSNBC has Morning Joe... what's the Fox equivalent? Fox is 24/7 right-wing propaganda. MSNBC is only about 12-14/hrs/day left-wing propaganda.

Not the same.

Blinders...

I come from one of the most democrat families that you can ever imagine.
My sister was head of the party in NH for many, many years in Concord. 20 something years to be exact. I've met Bill, I've met Hillary and Al

My sister also held a fundraiser for the idiot Kerry in her democratic mansion.


/funny how politics work


So... you lost me, what?
 
2012-07-30 07:26:10 PM  
If you think Fox "News" is anything but right wing propaganda you are a willfully blind idiot.
 
2012-07-30 07:31:11 PM  

qorkfiend: What are you basing this ridiculous assertion on?


Probably the same one everyone else bases it on.

Reality.

There are left wing sources like the ones he listed, and there are right wing sources. You and everyone else in here can pretend to live in a magic fantasy land, making your picture particularly appropriate, or you can come to reality. MSNBC is so far in the tank for the DNC that they would scream in horror if the sunlight hit them. CNN may be liberal, but it's not the googly eyed marching orders from from the far left establishment that MSNBC is.

What's really, REALLY, comical is that while going on about bias at Fox... There are people here who believe absolute horse shiat peddlers like Think Progress, Media Matters, or TPM. All of whom make even the likes of Beck and Hannity seem sane by comparison.
 
2012-07-30 07:43:37 PM  
From TFA: ".With its cadre of conservative hosts such as Sean Hannity, Fox is often the place where Republican elected officials stop first. That can make it must-watch TV for Republican viewers. The same can be said for Democrats on MSNBC, considering its liberal hosts such as Rachel Maddow."

In other words: People watch Fox to see the Republican elected officials, people watch MSNBC to see unelected pundits.

Anyone else see a false equivalence?
 
2012-07-30 07:51:05 PM  
it's funny how just because fox is so derpy that these kids think msnbc is k
 
2012-07-30 08:03:18 PM  
Take the big debate this year over the role of the federal spending in the economy. Just 19 percent of Fox viewers think that increasing government spending would help the economy, while 79 percent think increasing the debt in the process would hurt the economy. MSNBC viewers lean the other way, with 55 percent saying more spending would help and 43 percent saying the debt would hurt the economy.

I love this set of numbers. Fox viewers believe one way 4:1 whereas MSNBC viewers believe another way less than 3:2, but both sides are biased and no qualifier as to how biased should be used...
 
2012-07-30 08:04:59 PM  

AlwaysRightBoy: /funny how politics work


What?
 
2012-07-30 08:13:40 PM  

jules_siegel: AlwaysRightBoy: /funny how politics work

What?


Shirley you weren't born yesterday?
 
2012-07-30 08:46:48 PM  
The problem with these channels is that 95% of the programming is just people offering opinion and commentary on the news and 5% is actual news reporting
 
2012-07-30 09:26:33 PM  

Drexl's Eye: When was the last time a television remote had a dial?


GBB: DeltaPunch: "Turn the dial to the left to watch MSNBC and it's more likely you lean left. Turn it to the right to tune in Fox, and it's more likely you lean right will suffer some mild brain damage."

Dial?? What "dial"??


BuckTurgidson: Turn the dial to the left to watch MSNBC and it's more likely you lean left. Turn it to the right to tune in Fox, and it's more likely you lean right.

Somebody needs to upgrade to a television manufactured after 1970s, he's probably getting tired of always adjusting the rabbit ears.


Reminds me of a thread on the late, great Dwayne McDuffie's forum. He was (among a great many other things) the head writer on Ben 10: Alien Force and Ben 10: Ultimate Alien. There was a thread asking which version of Ben 10 people preferred, the new teenaged one or the ten-year-old from the original pre-McDuffie series.

Well, being the comics geek I am, I posted that I preferred the truly original "Ben 10," and posted a comics panel of the silver age DC comic Dial "H" for "HERO" (about a boy who finds a mystic dial that, when he dialed that word on it, would randomly transform him into a different superhero each time ― a later revamp had two teenagers, a boy and a girl, each finding dials with only those letters on them, that appeared as an ordinary wristwatch and a necklace pendant watch, respectively, until used).

I bemoaned that if a Dial "H" cartoon series were done now, it would be seen as a rip-off of Ben 10, despite predating it by nearly ½ a century.

Dwayne then put me in my place by pointing out that the real reason a Dial "H" cartoon wouldn't work these days is because few kids would have any idea what a "dial" is (other than perhaps as a brand of bar soap), since neither TVs nor phones have had them for decades now.

(Must make it confusing when they come across old Underdog reruns. "Anh-anh-anh, don't touch that dial!")
 
2012-07-30 10:14:30 PM  

brantgoose: In Maine they have a scale model of the solar system.

The Sun is on the campus of the University of Maine in Presque Isle (French for "almost an island", i.e., a peninsula). The partisanship of Fox News is somewhere beyond Pluto (Houlton, ME). I'm guessing it is offshore near Mount Desert Island, and its famous old-timey resort town, Bar Harbor.

http://astroguyz.com/2008/07/24/the-maine-solar-system-model-an-updat e /

For Canadians, the distance is about the same as Woodstock, NB, to Perth Andover, NB, with McCain Land in between (Fredericton in the other direction, might be easier to visualize). Perth Andover is where the winner of the Touch Bellini Contest on Kids in the Hall got to touch Belleni (wearing a hotel room towel). IIRC, the winner was a Hickey. Hickey is a common name in the area. Maybe he was a Hicks.

In the history of the world, about the only events that have ever happened in or near Perth-Andover, New Brunswick, was the Touch Bellini Contest and the Aroostook War. Neither of them were our finest hour as a species. But more people knew about the Touch Bellini Contest.

I'm sorry we lost Aroostook County to the State of ME. All those potato fields could have been ours, and also a much shorter route to Upper Canada, with fewer icy hills.

The weather in Presque Isle, Maine is the same as the weather in McCain Land, except one hour earlier. The McCains have their private executive airport in New Brunswick and their control tower in the USA. The multi-billion dollar food giant and this international airport are Florenceville, NB's claim to fame (not bad for a village of 700 or so).

But I digress.

Suffice to say that Fox News is further out there than the Way Outs on the Inter-Galactic Iditerod Dog Sled Race. CNN and the other corporate news sources don't seem all that much less crazier than batshiat sorbet.


This is exactly why I read Fark.

Cheers.
 
2012-07-30 11:43:02 PM  
What about the vast majority of people who watch neither cable or network news?
 
2012-07-31 02:42:04 AM  
FTFA Or taxes. MSNBC viewers are more likely to be willing to pay more taxes and to support higher taxes on the rich and Wall Street. Fox viewers are more likely to think the poor should pay more.

This idea would work really well except for the fact that they're poor and have no money. Can't get blood from a stone, dumbasses.
 
2012-07-31 02:45:30 AM  

Cletus C.: I'll usually watch a little of both, just for the absurdity of it all. Which is fun if you don't take them too seriously.

What's interesting is how The Newsroom on HBO has a premise where that show is going to cut through the partisan bullshiat of those two networks, presumably, and the newscast ends up sounding just like MSNBC.


In other news, Aaron Sorkin is a flaming liberal.

I"m not saying that either MSNBC or ACN's coverage isn't factual, I'm just saying that Sorkin isn't a disinterested party.
 
2012-07-31 06:59:33 AM  
Fox is where offensive washed up right wing politicos go to get paid to spout their hate speech. They seem to be on too much ephedrine.
 
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