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(McClatchy DC)   Just how biased are Fox, MSNBC, and CNN?   (mcclatchydc.com) divider line 125
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2012-07-30 11:36:04 AM
If you haven't figured this out for yourself by now, then a study isn't going to change your mind.
 
2012-07-30 11:36:26 AM
"Turn the dial to the left to watch MSNBC and it's more likely you lean left. Turn it to the right to tune in Fox, and it's more likely you lean right will suffer some mild brain damage."
 
2012-07-30 11:53:03 AM
They're all biased, it just depends how you like your coffee frothed with your particular cream.
 
2012-07-30 11:55:04 AM
If two news operations are reporting that 2+2=4 and one is reporting 2+2=16andIFyouDON'TagreeYOU'REaCOMMIE, there is only one that is showing bias.

The biggest problem is that now a number of them are going "On the left, 2 and 2 is 4. On the Right, 2 and 2 is 16. The truth must be somewhere in the middle. 2 and 2 is obviously 10."
 
2012-07-30 11:56:48 AM
Two of those stations are incredibly biased. Two of those stations are also grossly incompetent. One station falls into both categories. I'll let you guess as to which one that is.
 
2012-07-30 11:58:19 AM

AlwaysRightBoy: They're all biased, it just depends how you like your coffee frothed with your particular cream.


not quite.

fox actually fabricates "news" on a regular basis to support its political leanings. its president, roger ailes, has come out and said several times that he sees the network as a conservative counterweight to a perceived liberal bias in the news (wrongly perceived, as studies show). this means his network is NOT balanced. it is heavily weighted to the right. and not just to the right - it is weighted specifically to support the mainstream republican party (even newt gingrich complained about this during the primaries).

msnbc does employ two or three liberal pundits, but its news reportage is fairly down the middle.
 
2012-07-30 12:00:09 PM

unlikely: The biggest problem is that now a number of them are going "On the left, 2 and 2 is 4. On the Right, 2 and 2 is 16. The truth must be somewhere in the middle. 2 and 2 is obviously 10."


this is why "balance" is wrong. bias is one thing - and you can account for it (newspapers have been right- or left-biased for hundreds of years).

the notion of "balance" in the new is laughable. you are entitled to your own opinions. you are NOT entitled to your own facts.
 
2012-07-30 12:00:40 PM
TV news isn't.
 
2012-07-30 12:09:50 PM
I was hoping the study actually had some information on the bias of the networks, but it doesn't.

All it talks about is the bias of the networks' viewers. I suppose you could extrapolate from that...but, it's an imperfect method at getting at the truth.
 
2012-07-30 12:44:42 PM

FlashHarry: msnbc does employ two or three liberal pundits, but its news reportage is fairly down the middle.


I was just trying to imply that these networks are all biased to a degree. Some more so than others. Fox News is clearly biased. To me most of these news sources report "fairly down the middle" when they're just reporting the news.

I would think that people who watch all of these networks could see that.
 
2012-07-30 12:53:21 PM
duh.

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2012-07-30 01:27:39 PM
FTA: "Turn the dial to the left to watch MSNBC and it's more likely you lean left. Turn it to the right to tune in Fox, and it's more likely you lean right."

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2012-07-30 02:37:07 PM
Damn, when are they going to learn? For a mere $25K, I could have told them this and saved them a lot of time.

/doesn't watch cable news at all
 
2012-07-30 02:38:21 PM
CNN is just stupid.
 
2012-07-30 02:38:53 PM
i98.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-30 02:38:59 PM
Al Jazzera, the news that Americans trust!

I say that with a smile, pardner!

No wink. Just a smile.
 
2012-07-30 02:40:21 PM
Q: Just how tired and worn out is this "debate"?

A: The horse is so dead its remains have made their way through the carbon cycle twice now.
 
2012-07-30 02:41:12 PM
MSNBC may be biased, but poll after poll have shown that MSNBC viewers understaning of the world is actually, you know, more correct, than those of Fox News. So say what you will about bias, MSNBC is still more accurate than Fox.
 
2012-07-30 02:42:25 PM
Just another reason why I only watch and read BBC News.
 
2012-07-30 02:42:58 PM
Ignoring the fact that they are all idiotic and prone to sensationalizing things for ratings....I'm amazed that people figured out this bias.

Of course, for some channels...the bias in their opinion shows is different from bias present in their "straight" news segments. There's a reason that little "opinion" flag disappeared from Fox News shows.

Also, if one side proposes steal for dinner and one side advocates eating shiat....you don't discuss shiat covered hamburger as a compromise to pretend you are balanced. You discuss why steak is good or bad and you soundly denounce the retards advocating shiat for dinner.
 
2012-07-30 02:43:03 PM
I get my news from the only news outlet that still has credibility...

www.mediabistro.com
 
2012-07-30 02:43:07 PM

FlashHarry: AlwaysRightBoy: They're all biased, it just depends how you like your coffee frothed with your particular cream.

not quite.

... as a conservative counterweight to a perceived liberal bias in the news (wrongly perceived, as studies show) . .... but its news reportage is fairly down the middle.


3/10 on the troll

Can I get any type of citation on any of that? If you stance is that the major networks ABC, NBC, and CBS are not liberal leaning, then that is quite a statement.

Fox does lean right and everyone agrees that is what it is. The funny part is that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN all lean left and clearly deny it.

Every news media; paper, TV, blog, etc has a bias, you just have to figure it out
 
2012-07-30 02:43:12 PM

Coco LaFemme: Two of those stations are incredibly biased. Two of those stations are also grossly incompetent. One station falls into both categories. I'll let you guess as to which one that is.


aaaaaaaaaaaaaand we're done here.
 
2012-07-30 02:43:13 PM
Both sides are biased, but in general the right is much more biased than the left. Twenty to thirty years ago, is was the other way around. Perhaps in another thirty years it'll even out.
 
2012-07-30 02:43:32 PM
While I'd like to say it's just two differing viewpoints, I can't because one side is full tilt, bonkers nuts.

You can watch any of their talk shows, write down their major claims and fact check them to see they are mostly or completely false.

What do you expect from a 'news' network that routinely denies evolution, climate change and carbon dating.

Apparently the 'good ole days' they talk about returning to are the Dark Ages.
 
2012-07-30 02:44:04 PM

unlikely: The biggest problem is that now a number of them are going "On the left, 2 and 2 is 4. On the Right, 2 and 2 is 16. The truth must be somewhere in the middle. 2 and 2 is obviously 10."



If nobody's mention it yet, it's sometimes called the argument to moderation, although I think "compromise fallacy" would be a better term.
 
2012-07-30 02:44:30 PM

JohnCarter: The funny part is that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN all lean left and clearly deny it.


i.imgur.com

What are you basing this ridiculous assertion on?
 
2012-07-30 02:44:44 PM
When I worked as a production assistant at Fox News, I got to see how bias is created firsthand. Say a story comes in about a woman in Florida who had her house repossessed after being laid off for contracting IBS. So, to make a full blown story out of this, we need to get a real estate expert, an unemployment expert, and a doctor who specializes in diseases of the lower bowel. There are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of possible choices to contact.

To find out if a person was right for the show, we'd ask them a single screening question: if your daughter was raped by an endangered lowland gorilla, would you have the animal killed knowing that it was one of the last of its species?

We only took the people who said "No, I wouldn't have the animal killed." Why? Because Fox News only wants people who are down with gorilla rape. We loved it. On birthdays, we'd order sheet cakes printed with gorilla rape scenes. I got a gorilla rape shower curtain for the holidays. If you look in Shepard Smith's wallet, you won't find pictures of his kids. You'll find a close-up of a gorilla raping something to pieces.
 
2012-07-30 02:46:12 PM
What this country needs is some sort of non-profit, publicly-funded broadcast entity, financially supported by the consumers of the news. An entity that isn't beholden to ratings, sponsorship, etc.

I'll put this on my list behind my idea for a Blockbuster Video for books.
 
2012-07-30 02:46:15 PM
I haven't checked in a long time, but I wonder if I can still get Cuban AM radio. It's likely less biased than either Kabletown News or Fox News.
 
2012-07-30 02:46:46 PM

Coming on a Bicycle: CNN is just stupid.


It's not that right wingers watch Fox news. It's that those who identify as "Fark you I've got mine" watch Fox News.
 
2012-07-30 02:47:10 PM

qorkfiend: JohnCarter: The funny part is that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN all lean left and clearly deny it.

What are you basing this ridiculous assertion on?


Observation?
 
2012-07-30 02:47:43 PM

JohnCarter: FlashHarry: AlwaysRightBoy: They're all biased, it just depends how you like your coffee frothed with your particular cream.

not quite.

... as a conservative counterweight to a perceived liberal bias in the news (wrongly perceived, as studies show) . .... but its news reportage is fairly down the middle.

3/10 on the troll

Can I get any type of citation on any of that? If you stance is that the major networks ABC, NBC, and CBS are not liberal leaning, then that is quite a statement.

Fox does lean right and everyone agrees that is what it is. The funny part is that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN all lean left and clearly deny it.

Every news media; paper, TV, blog, etc has a bias, you just have to figure it out


The Universe is left leaning so by reporting the truth, yes, non-fox networks are left leaning.

Right:
Pissed off god with phallic size issues created everything
Rich is right
Poor is nothing
Science is evil

Left:
Anything else
 
2012-07-30 02:47:53 PM

StrikitRich: qorkfiend: JohnCarter: The funny part is that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN all lean left and clearly deny it.

What are you basing this ridiculous assertion on?

Observation?


Such as?
 
2012-07-30 02:48:10 PM
Fox, MSNBC viewers see world differently

Who cares? What matters is which one lines up with reality.
 
2012-07-30 02:48:45 PM

qorkfiend: JohnCarter: The funny part is that ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN all lean left and clearly deny it.



What are you basing this ridiculous assertion on?


Fox News is biased to the right. CNN, msnbc, and abc don't report the same things as Fox, therefore they are left biased.

It's all right there.
 
2012-07-30 02:51:10 PM
Most media leans left. Been that way since the late 50s. The journalism schools at the major colleges and universities have been left-leaning for longer than I can remember. One of CBS' mid-level or upper-level guys published a book with the data in the 90s. And a second book two or three years later with newer info. Now, it is inbred with 90% of it's "reporters" and talking heads vote Demo straight ticket. Producers and assistants same voting. ABC, CBS, & NBC have been losing news viewership for the last 20 years.

It goes all the way to the local level. The Cox newspapers and Atlanta's local news 'casts are horribly tilted left to where their readership/viewership have been falling also. The newspaper, "Atlanta Pravda & Tass" had to shrink the paper size to cut costs from lower subscription numbers.

TANSTAAFL - there ain't no such thing as a free lunch. Most people know this and move away from the strident liberal push for more & bigger government.
 
2012-07-30 02:51:14 PM
If you believe that there is now, or has ever been, a liberal bias in the American media, you are too stupid to be allowed to vote. In fact, you are too stupid to be allowed to reproduce. If you have not yet had kids, please geld yourselves. If you have had kids, please tear out your tongue so you can't preach your bullshiat to them. For safe measure, geld them too.
 
2012-07-30 02:52:16 PM
 
2012-07-30 02:52:45 PM

Dark Overlord: Most media leans left. Been that way since the late 50s. The journalism schools at the major colleges and universities have been left-leaning for longer than I can remember. One of CBS' mid-level or upper-level guys published a book with the data in the 90s. And a second book two or three years later with newer info. Now, it is inbred with 90% of it's "reporters" and talking heads vote Demo straight ticket. Producers and assistants same voting. ABC, CBS, & NBC have been losing news viewership for the last 20 years.

It goes all the way to the local level. The Cox newspapers and Atlanta's local news 'casts are horribly tilted left to where their readership/viewership have been falling also. The newspaper, "Atlanta Pravda & Tass" had to shrink the paper size to cut costs from lower subscription numbers.

TANSTAAFL - there ain't no such thing as a free lunch. Most people know this and move away from the strident liberal push for more & bigger government.


Surely it would be trivial to provide data, instead of allusions to data, to support your assertions.
 
2012-07-30 02:53:00 PM
It's almost impossible to report news without including some bias. Otherwise it would just be a dry list of facts. That being said, my impression of the networks:
Fox: An official mouthpiece for the GOP
MSNBC: A news channel that happens to have liberal opinions
CNN: A complete joke that's turning into noting but entertainment news.
 
2012-07-30 02:53:15 PM
Don't need any. Just Al Jazeera English. Not afraid of show graphic footage, provides mostly stable discussions between two sides and covers more world events than American media would even bother to cover.

/Al Jazeera Arabic is really bad though
 
2012-07-30 02:53:43 PM

FlashHarry: unlikely: The biggest problem is that now a number of them are going "On the left, 2 and 2 is 4. On the Right, 2 and 2 is 16. The truth must be somewhere in the middle. 2 and 2 is obviously 10."

this is why "balance" is wrong. bias is one thing - and you can account for it (newspapers have been right- or left-biased for hundreds of years).

the notion of "balance" in the new is laughable. you are entitled to your own opinions. you are NOT entitled to your own facts.


I really do wish people would stop saying anyone and everyone is entitled to their own opinions. We are all free to form our opinions, but more important than that is that we all have the responsibility to make sure our opinions aren't f*cking pants-on-head retarded.
 
2012-07-30 02:54:16 PM

Coming on a Bicycle: CNN is just stupid.


Can't spell CNN without twitte and an r
 
2012-07-30 02:54:33 PM
When was the last time a television remote had a dial?
 
2012-07-30 02:55:28 PM
Here's a rough diagram:

L...........................MSNBC............C....................... . ...................................................................... ..............Fox

So one is left and one is right and that makes them roughly equivalent right?

All you have to do is be able to make false equivalencies to call yourself a journalist these days.
 
2012-07-30 02:57:30 PM
They spend more than a billion dollars to get elected because they can make it back, hand over fist.

They are just squabbling over which ones get the lion's share.
 
2012-07-30 02:57:46 PM
In Maine they have a scale model of the solar system.

The Sun is on the campus of the University of Maine in Presque Isle (French for "almost an island", i.e., a peninsula). The partisanship of Fox News is somewhere beyond Pluto (Houlton, ME). I'm guessing it is offshore near Mount Desert Island, and its famous old-timey resort town, Bar Harbor.

http://astroguyz.com/2008/07/24/the-maine-solar-system-model-an-updat e /

For Canadians, the distance is about the same as Woodstock, NB, to Perth Andover, NB, with McCain Land in between (Fredericton in the other direction, might be easier to visualize). Perth Andover is where the winner of the Touch Bellini Contest on Kids in the Hall got to touch Belleni (wearing a hotel room towel). IIRC, the winner was a Hickey. Hickey is a common name in the area. Maybe he was a Hicks.

In the history of the world, about the only events that have ever happened in or near Perth-Andover, New Brunswick, was the Touch Bellini Contest and the Aroostook War. Neither of them were our finest hour as a species. But more people knew about the Touch Bellini Contest.

I'm sorry we lost Aroostook County to the State of ME. All those potato fields could have been ours, and also a much shorter route to Upper Canada, with fewer icy hills.

The weather in Presque Isle, Maine is the same as the weather in McCain Land, except one hour earlier. The McCains have their private executive airport in New Brunswick and their control tower in the USA. The multi-billion dollar food giant and this international airport are Florenceville, NB's claim to fame (not bad for a village of 700 or so).

But I digress.

Suffice to say that Fox News is further out there than the Way Outs on the Inter-Galactic Iditerod Dog Sled Race. CNN and the other corporate news sources don't seem all that much less crazier than batshiat sorbet.
 
2012-07-30 02:58:22 PM

Dark Overlord: Most media leans left.


Because reality leans left. Most media tend to report reality. This was shocking to you.

Dark Overlord: Been that way since the late 50s.


Agreed.

Dark Overlord: The journalism schools at the major colleges and universities have been left-leaning for longer than I can remember.


Journalism schools teach kids to report facts and reality. This was an enormous shock to you.

Dark Overlord: Now, it is inbred with 90% of it's "reporters" and talking heads vote Demo straight ticket.


This made up conservative talking point brought to you by American Conservative University. Some libby-lib-o-lib will probably counter it with their left leaning factual bias. Not me!

Dark Overlord: ABC, CBS, & NBC have been losing news viewership for the last 20 years.


Reality and facts are not determined by viewership. This was a huge shock to you.

Dark Overlord: The Cox newspapers and Atlanta's local news 'casts are horribly tilted left


The local newspapers report reality. Reality horribly tilts left.

This shocking post brought to you by Lenny.
 
2012-07-30 02:59:12 PM

Ayn Rand's Cervix: Coming on a Bicycle: CNN is just stupid.

It's not that right wingers watch Fox news. It's that those who identify as "Fark you I've got mine" watch Fox News.


I call them the "Me / Now" personality type, because that's what drives them. They're the kind of people that only care about themselves, but not even their future selves, only themselves right now.
 
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