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2012-07-30 09:56:39 AM
Parasites.
 
2012-07-30 10:02:06 AM
An anonymous reader tips this news from TorrentFreak:

Sounds legit.
 
2012-07-30 10:22:36 AM

Rev.K: An anonymous reader tips this news from TorrentFreak:

Sounds legit.


This is absolutely true. If the RIAA gets $300,000 out of some housewife, they keep it. They don't care at all WHO'S music she stole.
 
2012-07-30 10:24:39 AM

Rev.K: An anonymous reader tips this news from TorrentFreak:

Sounds legit.




Dox
 
2012-07-30 12:47:47 PM
Maybe they won't be awarded monetary damges in the future now that they proved themselves full of shiat

/yeah right
 
Skr
2012-07-30 01:29:05 PM
shiat, those legal fees don't pay themselves. Even after the lawsuits, they'll probably have to wring more money out of the 'artists' as well for representation and protection fees.
 
2012-07-30 01:30:50 PM
Whelp, color me surprised.
 
2012-07-30 01:35:28 PM
They might win short-term victories here and there, but the world is clearly headed in a different direction. They're on the wrong side of history, and if they don't come up with a way to monetize that's acceptable to the public at large, they'll wither away and disappear in time.
 
2012-07-30 02:13:37 PM
I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you!

Listen assholes, you're business model is so out-of-date it's not even funny. Sure, you may win a couple of cases here and there, but in the long haul you're doing yourselves a massive financial disservice by not updating your business model and taking advantage of the ways current technologies allow you to make money.
 
2012-07-30 02:20:38 PM

Kome: I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you!

Listen assholes, you're business model is so out-of-date it's not even funny. Sure, you may win a couple of cases here and there, but in the long haul you're doing yourselves a massive financial disservice by not updating your business model and taking advantage of the ways current technologies allow you to make money.


can't believe Game of Thrones is the number one pirated show..you know..since it's not available to anyone that doesn't have a cable/hbo subscription. Thanks Time Warner
 
2012-07-30 02:38:06 PM
www.freedrumlessons.com
 
2012-07-30 02:50:10 PM
I wish I could browse web pages through piratebay, just for the hell of it.
 
2012-07-30 03:24:23 PM

tortilla burger: They might win short-term victories here and there, but the world is clearly headed in a different direction. They're on the wrong side of history, and if they don't come up with a way to monetize that's acceptable to the public at large, they'll wither away and disappear in time.


There is no way to do it. It's not possible. There are enough people who would rather pirate than sit through 90 seconds of ads in front of a free broadcast on Hulu that there is no way at all to "come up with a way to monetize that's acceptable to the public at large".

They are farking giving it away for free in a nice, neat convenient package and ask only that you spend a grand total of 60 or 90 seconds on ads for a 45 minutes show and that's too much for a bunch of people.
 
2012-07-30 03:58:39 PM

tortilla burger: They might win short-term victories here and there, but the world is clearly headed in a different direction. They're on the wrong side of history, and if they don't come up with a way to monetize that's acceptable to the public at large, they'll wither away and disappear in time.


And nothing of value will be lost.
 
2012-07-30 03:59:52 PM

meanmutton: tortilla burger: They might win short-term victories here and there, but the world is clearly headed in a different direction. They're on the wrong side of history, and if they don't come up with a way to monetize that's acceptable to the public at large, they'll wither away and disappear in time.

There is no way to do it. It's not possible. There are enough people who would rather pirate than sit through 90 seconds of ads in front of a free broadcast on Hulu that there is no way at all to "come up with a way to monetize that's acceptable to the public at large".

They are farking giving it away for free in a nice, neat convenient package and ask only that you spend a grand total of 60 or 90 seconds on ads for a 45 minutes show and that's too much for a bunch of people.


People are greedy entitled assholes.

welcometoTHEWORLD.jpeg
 
2012-07-30 04:09:09 PM

meanmutton: tortilla burger: They might win short-term victories here and there, but the world is clearly headed in a different direction. They're on the wrong side of history, and if they don't come up with a way to monetize that's acceptable to the public at large, they'll wither away and disappear in time.

There is no way to do it. It's not possible. There are enough people who would rather pirate than sit through 90 seconds of ads in front of a free broadcast on Hulu that there is no way at all to "come up with a way to monetize that's acceptable to the public at large".

They are farking giving it away for free in a nice, neat convenient package and ask only that you spend a grand total of 60 or 90 seconds on ads for a 45 minutes show and that's too much for a bunch of people.


I don't think you've ever actually used Hulu. There's a great many flaws in their service that create plenty of openings for piracy:

One, their catalog is lacking. There are a great many shows you can't get off of Hulu.

Two, they suck at getting things up on time. You often have to wait a week after a new episode airs for it to actually show up on Hulu. The torrent sites have it up in an hour.

Three, if you want to watch Hulu on anything other than a computer (like a Roku box, an iPad, etc), you have to pony up for Hulu Plus. And if you do that, you still have to sit through ads, and you still can't get the full Hulu catalog on those devices.

Four, you are greatly underestimating the amount of ads Hulu shows. Every Hulu program I've watched has one or two 30-second ads at each point a commercial break would be during a broadcast, as well as one or two 30-second ads at the beginning and at the end of the program. While this is by no means excessive, it ads up to way more than 90 seconds per 45 minutes, like you stated.

I like Hulu. I use it whenever I can, and it's a great improvement over the nothing that existed before. But they still haven't caught up to the pirates, and they never will until the networks and the studios get their heads out of their asses and realize that the world is going to pass them by unless they change their business model and stop stonewalling companies like Hulu and Netflix.
 
2012-07-30 04:21:45 PM

HeartBurnKid: Four, you are greatly underestimating the amount of ads Hulu shows. Every Hulu program I've watched has one or two 30-second ads at each point a commercial break would be during a broadcast, as well as one or two 30-second ads at the beginning and at the end of the program. While this is by no means excessive, it ads up to way more than 90 seconds per 45 minutes, like you stated.


It sounds like they are making a huge psychological mistake. If you watch a show on commercial TV, you see the opening teaser and credits before the first adverts. It's much easier to accept the ads once you've actually started to watch the show. By putting the ads before it even begins they're bound to test the viewers' patience. For short clips it's sensible to run the commercial first as there isn't anywhere else to put them, but for an episode of 25 or 50 minutes written and edited with advertising breaks there's no need.
 
2012-07-30 04:33:39 PM

BronyMedic: Parasites.


Done in one.

/And well done, Son.
//Golf clap.
 
2012-07-30 04:55:20 PM
Interesting. That reminds me. I need to renew my Rapidshare account.


Yo ho ho. F*ck you RIAA.
 
2012-07-30 06:01:53 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-30 06:22:32 PM

Gordon Bennett: HeartBurnKid: Four, you are greatly underestimating the amount of ads Hulu shows. Every Hulu program I've watched has one or two 30-second ads at each point a commercial break would be during a broadcast, as well as one or two 30-second ads at the beginning and at the end of the program. While this is by no means excessive, it ads up to way more than 90 seconds per 45 minutes, like you stated.

It sounds like they are making a huge psychological mistake. If you watch a show on commercial TV, you see the opening teaser and credits before the first adverts. It's much easier to accept the ads once you've actually started to watch the show. By putting the ads before it even begins they're bound to test the viewers' patience. For short clips it's sensible to run the commercial first as there isn't anywhere else to put them, but for an episode of 25 or 50 minutes written and edited with advertising breaks there's no need.


Not to mention, at least in my experience with hulu, its the SAME farkING AD each commercial break. I dont mind watching a few commercials for the most part if theyre not annoying, but the same commercial 4 times in less than an hour is annoying no matter what.
 
2012-07-30 06:24:12 PM
Five, Hulu shows are unavailable to anywhere outside the US.
 
2012-07-30 06:50:02 PM

XMark: Five, Hulu shows are unavailable to anywhere outside the US.


This is also an issue, and an increasingly problematic one as pop culture becomes a global phenomenon.
 
2012-07-30 07:18:18 PM

HeartBurnKid: XMark: Five, Hulu shows are unavailable to anywhere outside the US.

This is also an issue, and an increasingly problematic one as pop culture becomes a global phenomenon.


Hahaha, our world is held back by scared old men grasping at nothing.
 
2012-07-30 07:28:23 PM
I once saw a photoshopped graphic on Fark of the RIAA headquarters on fire, and it was magnificent... if anyone has it, please post.
 
2012-07-30 07:30:53 PM

meanmutton: There is no way to do it. It's not possible. There are enough people who would rather pirate than sit through 90 seconds of ads in front of a free broadcast on Hulu that there is no way at all to "come up with a way to monetize that's acceptable to the public at large".


Gabe Newell, co-founder of Valve, disagrees: "The people who are telling you that Russians pirate everything are the people who wait six months to localize their product into Russia," said Newell. "It doesn't take much in terms of providing a better service to make pirates a non-issue." [...] "The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work," Newell said. "It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates."

Sure, people still pirate games, but there'll always be some jerks out there. You'll never catch them all. Steam provides a good service, good prices, and useful features that are simply unavailable if one pirates games. When a classic game like Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic is available for $2.50, why bother pirating it? Dead Space on sale for 75% off? Book it. I haven't pirated games in years thanks to two major factors: Steam and a steady income. Same thing with music and Pandora and Amazon MP3. Why can't movies/TV shows do something similar?

My thoughts on piracy basically boil down to "piracy is a market/service failure" and this.
 
2012-07-30 07:30:56 PM

meanmutton: tortilla burger: They might win short-term victories here and there, but the world is clearly headed in a different direction. They're on the wrong side of history, and if they don't come up with a way to monetize that's acceptable to the public at large, they'll wither away and disappear in time.

There is no way to do it. It's not possible. There are enough people who would rather pirate than sit through 90 seconds of ads in front of a free broadcast on Hulu that there is no way at all to "come up with a way to monetize that's acceptable to the public at large".

They are farking giving it away for free in a nice, neat convenient package and ask only that you spend a grand total of 60 or 90 seconds on ads for a 45 minutes show and that's too much for a bunch of people.


Maybe if the farking studios would allow Hulu to broadcast in a mobile-friendly format there would be less pirating. If the studios would be more friendly to streaming services like Netflix there would be less pirating.

/no problem watching ads for free shiat
//big problem with not being able to do that on my phone
///yo ho ho, motherfarkers.
 
2012-07-30 07:45:22 PM
So how do they actually intend to collect the damages? What if pirate bay just says, "Arrgh! Collect yer dubloons if ye can, ye scurvy dogs!"
 
2012-07-30 08:55:56 PM
Oh the feeling of loosing the battle these poor greedy bastards are experiencing....Please, these entertainment asshats are making tons of cash and that will continue to do so. The pirates are merely putting a small dent in their already overblown profits. The fact that there is something out there like the internet that they cannot control makes me feel great. Screw the greedy bastards! I feel so good, I think I will download 20 gigs of anything just because I can.

/by the way, Hulu BLOWS!!!
 
2012-07-30 09:51:30 PM
So... no money to the artists? I now have no reason not to torrent to my heart's desire. Never have done it before, but I suppose I can learn.
 
2012-07-30 09:56:12 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: So... no money to the artists? I now have no reason not to torrent to my heart's desire. Never have done it before, but I suppose I can learn.



Right no recaptured legal fees are going to the artists. When you actually, you know, buy the music or movies the artist does get paid.

Never understood, other than people are just a-holes, not wanting to pay an artist for their art that you enjoy. Love people's willingness to screw over the creative elements.

/ I know all your lame justifications for stealing this stuff
// Spare me
 
2012-07-30 09:59:37 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [www.freedrumlessons.com image 250x284]


Brittany looked better in the pre Federline era.
 
2012-07-30 10:12:12 PM

dalbuc: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: So... no money to the artists? I now have no reason not to torrent to my heart's desire. Never have done it before, but I suppose I can learn.


Right no recaptured legal fees are going to the artists. When you actually, you know, buy the music or movies the artist does get paid.

Never understood, other than people are just a-holes, not wanting to pay an artist for their art that you enjoy. Love people's willingness to screw over the creative elements.

/ I know all your lame justifications for stealing this stuff
// Spare me


Hey moran, I have over 5,000 albums on vinyl and over 1,500 CD's. I paid for EVERY GODDAMNED ONE, so you can shove your accusations up your ass.
 
2012-07-30 10:30:44 PM
Don't the artists really make most of their money from touring, not the sale of MP3s, discs, etc? I seem to remember reading that more than once.
 
2012-07-30 10:52:27 PM
Everyone I've ever known that pirates shiat also tend to talk about what games/music/movies they're going to buy. And you know, actually buy them.

Just sayin'
 
2012-07-30 11:06:40 PM

dalbuc: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: So... no money to the artists? I now have no reason not to torrent to my heart's desire. Never have done it before, but I suppose I can learn.


Right no recaptured legal fees are going to the artists. When you actually, you know, buy the music or movies the artist does get paid.

Never understood, other than people are just a-holes, not wanting to pay an artist for their art that you enjoy. Love people's willingness to screw over the creative elements.

/ I know all your lame justifications for stealing this stuff
// Spare me


Words mean things, asshole. Copying is not stealing. Stealing is when you physically take something from someone else without permission. Learn to use the proper terminology and people will take you more seriously. Otherwise, prepare for shiat like this:

pictures.mastermarf.com

Besides, in most cases, the musicians make pennies for sales of their music. Pennies. Most musicians that I know WANT people to download and upload their shiat, or they don't care one way or the other because they don't make enough money from sales for it to mean anything to them. They prefer that you go to their shows and buy merch. The only people who care are the labels, who make all their money by screwing musicians.

The bottom line is this: Provide entertainment in the format that people want, and people will pay for it. iTunes proved this. Netflix* proved it. Amazon Prime proved it.

*Netflix then moved away from that AND is getting screwed by the studios, but that's not relevant to the early success of their streaming service.
 
2012-07-31 07:20:55 AM

heypete: Gabe Newell, co-founder of Valve, disagrees: "The people who are telling you that Russians pirate everything are the people who wait six months to localize their product into Russia," said Newell. "It doesn't take much in terms of providing a better service to make pirates a non-issue." [...] "The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work," Newell said. "It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates."

Sure, people still pirate games, but there'll always be some jerks out there. You'll never catch them all. Steam provides a good service, good prices, and useful features that are simply unavailable if one pirates games. When a classic game like Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic is available for $2.50, why bother pirating it? Dead Space on sale for 75% off? Book it. I haven't pirated games in years thanks to two major factors: Steam and a steady income. Same thing with music and Pandora and Amazon MP3. Why can't movies/TV shows do something similar?

My thoughts on piracy basically boil down to "piracy is a market/service failure" and this.


Not only that, but steam is arguably easier than pirating, for some definitions of easy. If I want to buy a game, it is literally about 5 clicks and a few hours to download, and I don't normally have to worry about finding a working crack or whether game updates will require that I find a new crack. Pirating a game isn't a great[/] deal more work, but it's the difference between taking 5 minutes to get a game off Steam and generally not having to worry about it any longer (except revisiting it during the install process) - and taking 30 minutes to find a torrent, unrar, mount, install, crack, plus further maintenance as may be required (for example, blocking games that use online connections). Convenience is what Steam does best - though I'll certainly grant there a few things that can be done to trim it down even further.

Of course, cost:benefit judgments are still a factor, and pirating will always win out there. Plenty of people lament they buy all these games on Steam but never have time to play them. You don't generally worry about that when you didn't pay for it in the first place.
 
2012-07-31 07:21:33 AM
God damn tag fail.
 
2012-07-31 08:16:27 AM

XMark: Five, Hulu shows are unavailable to anywhere outside the US.


Nothing is available outside the US. I was back in the States recently for vacation, and saw that you can now download movies and TV shows from the Google Play marketplace. I bought season 1 of Adventure Time and downloaded it to my Galaxy Tab. When I was in the States, it worked fine. Now that I'm back in Kuwait, the episodes won't even show up when I open the video player. I have to connect to my VPN to pretend I'm in the US, open the Google Video marketplace, search for season 1 of Adventure Time, click the OK button that says "You've already purchased this item," and THEN it'll take me to the screen that lets me watch episodes I LEGALLY BOUGHT AND DOWNLOADED TO MY DEVICE.

I torrented season 2.
 
2012-07-31 09:22:55 AM

meanmutton: tortilla burger: They might win short-term victories here and there, but the world is clearly headed in a different direction. They're on the wrong side of history, and if they don't come up with a way to monetize that's acceptable to the public at large, they'll wither away and disappear in time.

There is no way to do it. It's not possible. There are enough people who would rather pirate than sit through 90 seconds of ads in front of a free broadcast on Hulu that there is no way at all to "come up with a way to monetize that's acceptable to the public at large".


Even if this is true, you'll find that most of the music you'll actually want to listen to is outside of the RIAA structure. Clear Channel stations and the inane drivel they play is on;y accelerating this change. The RIAA will discover this shortly after going bankrupt.

The MPAA is in a different boat right now. Non-studio films are currently in their infancy, and while it would be fun to watch Sita Sings the Blues a hundred times, the only other feature-length things in digital distribution right now seem to be documentaries.
 
2012-07-31 10:10:05 AM

dalbuc: Right no recaptured legal fees are going to the artists. When you actually, you know, buy the music or movies the artist does get paid.


No, a lot of the time, they don't.
 
2012-08-02 11:37:43 AM
This is because it is not theft so the person who made the CD can`t get any money as nobody stole from them. It`s the company who owns the copyright who gets the fine paid to them....
 
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