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2012-07-30 06:15:19 PM  

Gyrfalcon: What's sad is that, without the medical marijuana consideration, the People's Republic of Santa Monica was poised to pass this asinine law. Nevermind the imposition on apartment owners, who have to worry if they rent to a smoker their income goes down; nevermind the discrimination against people who smoke; no! it's all about worrying in advance if some people might be inconvenienced, so let's make a law just in case.

America is becoming a nation of self-righteous, narcissistic idiots.



Discrimination? Is being a smoker a protected class now? Are you trying to claim you were born that way? You going to rally behind a rainbow cigarette? Or are you one of the twats that take power from words by throwing it around willy-nilly because you don't like something. Did you somehow lose your inalienable rights?

Let us know so we can call the ACLU on your behalf.
 
2012-07-30 06:17:42 PM  

Gyrfalcon: the People's Republic of Santa Monica


You DID NOT use that term in a sentence...
 
2012-07-30 06:18:03 PM  

ReverendJynxed: scottydoesntknow: TheGreatGazoo: I'd rather have tobacco smoke than weed smoke.

Why? Tobacco smoke sticks to everything. Weed smoke disappears like it was never there.

Have you never seen the inside of a bong? How about someone coughing up a black lung-cookie? Marijuana smoke most definitely leaves a residue.

/I'm all for weed but I dislike misinformation.


Yeah but it's a different sort. It doesn't turn your walls yellow and sticky but I do think it leaves ashy dust on everything. The smell does disappear as soon as the smoke's gone and I've never been able to smell it even if it's a room I've been smoking in for years.

The resin in the pipe and bongs, yeah, that stuff is sticky but it's more of an oily sticky instead of a tarry sticky. You'll be coughing up black chunks no matter what you smoke, unless you only use a vaporizer maybe. I dunno.
 
2012-07-30 06:21:24 PM  

whidbey: please_not_again: Oznog:

E-cig- seriously, do people still "smoke"? I'm in Austin, and see a lot more e-cigs than cigarettes. They're relatively inoffensive, and generally not legally recognized as "smoking". It's gonna be some time before anyone can get long-term data, but there's no tar here, and lung cancer will probably not be on the table. The nicotine will probably still cause heart disease but lung disease was the bulk of the problem.

I appreciate the fact that most of the population isn't exactly "inclined" towards technology. Yet the fact remains that refillable e-cigs cost like 5% for the equivalent in cigarettes, which should be enough motivation.


Seattle already banned e-cigs in bars and anywhere cigs are banned - even if they contain no nicotine.

The argument was that since they could contain nicotine, our poor illustrious police department would confuse them for real cigarettes or nicotine loaded e-cigs and potentially worry non-smokers who don't know whether or not they should be offended.

Not really. A simple Googling reveals that it's not a total ban, and is subject to the rules regarding smoking in public places.

Bonus: nothing about the police being "confused."

Bad kitty.


Are you sure you weren't accidentally using bing, because google didn't have any trouble:

"I would like to see us protect those public places and places of employment from the image of someone sitting at their desk with something that looks identical to a cigarette and puffing on it"

Another one:


"The idea is that even though they're not exactly identical to cigarettes, people see folks using e-cigarettes, and they think somebody else is smoking," said Bud Nicola, a King County Board of Health member and affiliate professor with the University of Washington School of Public Health. "It makes it very difficult for inspectors."

So sorry - not cops, inspectors. Thanks for catching that...
 
2012-07-30 06:23:49 PM  

Oznog: whidbey: please_not_again: Oznog:

I'm sure if a big-name company owned the tech and stood to make billions off it, the govt would be PROMOTING e-cigs. There's be tax subsidies for cig smokers to buy an e-cig instead- you KNOW it's true.


your gay
 
2012-07-30 06:27:51 PM  

buckler: Tenatra: Why was my friend busted for smoking weed in college when he went back home to visit his mom? His mom grabbed his hand and sniffed it, busted. (he tried to hide it by not smoking weed for a few weeks prior to going home)

A neighbor of mine recently had a friend visit who's been smoking weed, and the odor on her body was very strong. My neighbor asked her to leave, because the management was coming over to have a look at a maintenance issue in the apartment. Sure enough, when they showed up, the manager smelled weed in the place, and threatened her with eviction. It took forever for her to convince the manager that it wasn't her doing.


I had the exact same problem, my friend came over smelling of Unicorns, and almost got me evicted by my Unicorn-hating landlord!
 
2012-07-30 06:29:12 PM  

thnksqrd: I had the exact same problem, my friend came over smelling of Unicorns, and almost got me evicted by my Unicorn-hating landlord!


Jesus, where do you live? Are there Care Bears there?
 
2012-07-30 06:29:37 PM  

please_not_again: I have no idea what sort of liberals actually think this sort of shiat is a good idea....


The sort of liberals who aren't liberal.
 
2012-07-30 06:30:07 PM  

xanadian: Good.

This nanny state shiat has got to stop. You've got Democrats invading your home telling you that you can't smoke, and Republicans who would be more than happy to burn a cross on a gay guy's lawn.

Both you parties. STAY OUT OF OUR GODDAMNED HOMES.


I'm sorry, but I split my time in two different cites in two different states. in my communities the anti-smoking forces are not aligned with any particular political party. And the city/town/county council members who vote don't line up on this issue by party affiliation. It's kind of like MADD.

So, bash parties if you must, but in my view the facts demonstrate a fallacy in your beliefs.
 
2012-07-30 06:42:53 PM  

ReverendJynxed: Have you never seen the inside of a bong? How about someone coughing up a black lung-cookie? Marijuana smoke most definitely leaves a residue.

/I'm all for weed but I dislike misinformation.



Of course burning cannabis leaves a residue in bongs. It doesn't permeate absolutely everything like tobacco smoke though. My brother smokes cigarettes, and it seems like even out of the shower and with clean clothes on, he smells like cigarettes. His house reeks of Marlboro even if he's in the middle of an ill-fated quit session.

Ive enjoyed cannabis for 10+ years and you'd never smell cannabis in my house unless I've smoked in the last hour or two.
 
2012-07-30 06:43:06 PM  
If I lived in an apartment with shared ventilation, I'd have my ass up to the outlet vent letting fly every chance I had.

/ why not?
 
2012-07-30 06:46:15 PM  

kyoryu: OgreMagi: The nanny statists won't quit until they can get cameras into private homes to enforce their laws "for our own good". They can not be reasoned with. They feel no remorse. They can not be stopped.

They seen Orwell's 1984 as a how-to, not as a warning.

Fail. The warning against leftist politics is Brave New World, not 1984.


Considering Orwell's known antipathy for Soviet-style communism, I think it's more about totalitarianism than any specific point on the political continuum. Not everything has to be left vs. right, you know.
 
2012-07-30 06:46:53 PM  

D_Evans45:
Ive enjoyed cannabis for 10+ years and you'd never smell cannabis in my house unless I've smoked in the last hour or two.


That's because you are used to it. Like someone who lives in Norco, CA is used to the smell of cow shiat.
 
2012-07-30 06:48:39 PM  

ReverendJynxed: scottydoesntknow: TheGreatGazoo: I'd rather have tobacco smoke than weed smoke.

Why? Tobacco smoke sticks to everything. Weed smoke disappears like it was never there.

Have you never seen the inside of a bong? How about someone coughing up a black lung-cookie? Marijuana smoke most definitely leaves a residue.

/I'm all for weed but I dislike misinformation.


I own 3 actually and usually keep them very clean. Cannabis smoke isn't even in the same ballpark as tobacco. Yes, you can still get faint whisps of it (and a live plant is one stinky farker), but to compare it to the shiat that tobacco smoke does? Not even close.
 
2012-07-30 06:53:31 PM  

Dinjiin: Mad_Radhu: Where I really think smoking is an issue is with condos and apartments, because it is almost impossible to ensure that the smoke isn't floating out of the apartment and right in someone else's window.

Agreed. But it isn't always that smoke drifts from window to window, but rather, that apartments are constructed so poorly that you end up with airflow from unit to unit.

I used to live in a unit where the downstairs neighbors used to smoke weed and the smell would drift into our unit. Not a single window open. At another unit, the adjoining neighbors were Indian and were constantly cooking with aromatic spices. Same deal with windows. In both cases, the walls were so thin you could hear people talking in neighboring units, so I wasn't surprised about the smell.

The better long-term solution would be to require thicker walls between units with improved airflow restriction. 18" of sound absorbing insulation or 12" of foam filled concrete block with vapor barriers might be a start.


/90% of the non-highrise apartments I've seen built in the past 40 years have been crap


^^^agree

We have the technology to cheaply and easily build proper ventilation into apartment buildings and homes, yet we continue to build them as air tight as possible that requires windows to be open for air. 100 years ago houses had loose windows and doors that allowed fresh air to enter, and weren't constructed of materials with harmful chemicals, (except maybe the paint, but what's a little lead among friends). I wonder if the fumes off the carpets and MDF underlay flooring in those apartments is more unhealthy than the occasional whiff of second hand smoke that's entered their dwelling after dissipating 10-15 feet? What about the Radon and chemical fumes from all the Chinese consumer items we fill our homes with?

For example: how many apartments have you seen with a single main door entry, sliding glass door patio and single window/bedroom? Compare it to the suggested arrangement:
Link

This is the best case our government has suggested and with the windows closed we are looking at about 0% ventilation. No wonder they are a gooey tar filled mess that smell when the windows are opened.

Compare this to the European standards where worst case is 10% ventilation. Over there, next door Grandma could retire, drink and chain smoke every waking hour, and you would never have a clue until the mail started piling up on her doorstep.
Link
 
2012-07-30 06:55:26 PM  

thnksqrd: buckler: Tenatra: Why was my friend busted for smoking weed in college when he went back home to visit his mom? His mom grabbed his hand and sniffed it, busted. (he tried to hide it by not smoking weed for a few weeks prior to going home)

A neighbor of mine recently had a friend visit who's been smoking weed, and the odor on her body was very strong. My neighbor asked her to leave, because the management was coming over to have a look at a maintenance issue in the apartment. Sure enough, when they showed up, the manager smelled weed in the place, and threatened her with eviction. It took forever for her to convince the manager that it wasn't her doing.

I had the exact same problem, my friend came over smelling of Unicorns, and almost got me evicted by my Unicorn-hating landlord!


Yeah, story is bullshiat or the landlord was one of those types that thinks they can smell things that aren't really there or bluffed.

THAT SMELL
 
2012-07-30 06:56:36 PM  

Cyclonic Cooking Action: D_Evans45: ...

That's because you are used to it. Like someone who lives in Norco, CA is used to the smell of cow shiat.



I only smoke cannabis in one room in my house, and the windows are often open.

/Trust me, if the house smells like pot when the kids get home, I get biatched at by the old ball and chain
 
2012-07-30 07:06:28 PM  

Ficoce: We have the technology to cheaply and easily build proper ventilation into apartment buildings and homes, yet we continue to build them as air tight as possible that requires windows to be open for air. 100 years ago houses had loose windows and doors that allowed fresh air to enter, ...


To play devil's advocate, homes that were built 100 years ago cost a small fortune to heat in the winter because they were so drafty.
 
2012-07-30 07:25:16 PM  

davidphogan: I have no problem with letting landlords decide if smoking in their building is okay, but requiring smokers to register and be put on a map? That's excessive and unnecessary.


Well, you always have the option to NOT live in California.

I've done it once, good call.
 
2012-07-30 07:25:42 PM  

Ficoce: Dinjiin: Mad_Radhu: Where I really think smoking is an issue is with condos and apartments, because it is almost impossible to ensure that the smoke isn't floating out of the apartment and right in someone else's window.

Agreed. But it isn't always that smoke drifts from window to window, but rather, that apartments are constructed so poorly that you end up with airflow from unit to unit.

I used to live in a unit where the downstairs neighbors used to smoke weed and the smell would drift into our unit. Not a single window open. At another unit, the adjoining neighbors were Indian and were constantly cooking with aromatic spices. Same deal with windows. In both cases, the walls were so thin you could hear people talking in neighboring units, so I wasn't surprised about the smell.

The better long-term solution would be to require thicker walls between units with improved airflow restriction. 18" of sound absorbing insulation or 12" of foam filled concrete block with vapor barriers might be a start.


/90% of the non-highrise apartments I've seen built in the past 40 years have been crap

^^^agree

We have the technology to cheaply and easily build proper ventilation into apartment buildings and homes, yet we continue to build them as air tight as possible that requires windows to be open for air. 100 years ago houses had loose windows and doors that allowed fresh air to enter, and weren't constructed of materials with harmful chemicals, (except maybe the paint, but what's a little lead among friends). I wonder if the fumes off the carpets and MDF underlay flooring in those apartments is more unhealthy than the occasional whiff of second hand smoke that's entered their dwelling after dissipating 10-15 feet? What about the Radon and chemical fumes from all the Chinese consumer items we fill our homes with?

For example: how many apartments have you seen with a single main door entry, sliding glass door patio and single window/bedroom? Compare it to the suggeste ...


The European guidelines were excellent - it's great that they plan for ventilation of smells generally, and environmental tobacco smoke specifically (and amusing that they have quantified that smokers are 6 times stinkier than non-smokers).

The US plans made allowances for acoustic noise, but nothing (that I saw) about smoke/smell of any kind.
 
2012-07-30 07:26:54 PM  
I'm a light smoker, and I always go outside so as to not get residue on things and out of respect for my non-smoking wife. I know the day will soon come that smoking will either be completely illegal, or they will cost so much that no one can afford them. Until then, I go out on the porch and do my dirty deed.
 
2012-07-30 07:37:25 PM  
You know, medical marijuana would seem less "slippery slope" if people didn't insist on smoking it. It kind of makes it obvious what you're trying to do with the whole argument.
 
2012-07-30 07:45:54 PM  

malaktaus:
Considering Orwell's known antipathy for Soviet-style communism, I think it's more about totalitarianism than any specific point on the political continuum. Not everything has to be left vs. right, you know.


Not like he wrote a book against it or anything. The guy was an animal - at most he would have farmed out the work.
 
2012-07-30 07:48:29 PM  

JRoo: ReverendJynxed: scottydoesntknow: TheGreatGazoo: I'd rather have tobacco smoke than weed smoke.

Why? Tobacco smoke sticks to everything. Weed smoke disappears like it was never there.

Have you never seen the inside of a bong? How about someone coughing up a black lung-cookie? Marijuana smoke most definitely leaves a residue.

/I'm all for weed but I dislike misinformation.

Yeah but it's a different sort. It doesn't turn your walls yellow and sticky but I do think it leaves ashy dust on everything. The smell does disappear as soon as the smoke's gone and I've never been able to smell it even if it's a room I've been smoking in for years.

The resin in the pipe and bongs, yeah, that stuff is sticky but it's more of an oily sticky instead of a tarry sticky. You'll be coughing up black chunks no matter what you smoke, unless you only use a vaporizer maybe. I dunno.


Uhm, the color in the resins most definitely stain. These resins are also in the smoke that is in the air and not just when it goes into your lungs. Your lungs aren't a great scrubber in any event and much will come out with your exhale as well. The smell may seem to disappear for you but anyone that isn't a smoker or that is USED TO THE SMELL tends to notice it right away when they walk into it even if people haven't smoked in the last day. The smell does get into clothing and some folks actually smell like weed because of how much they smoke. It seeps out of their pores like cold-cuts.

Even vaporized weed leaves traces of discoloration. I can prove this by showing you the build-up on the damn vape. There is no getting around it.

Sorry but smokers tend to not have the olfactory ability of non-smokers. Regular smokers even less so.

But hey, if you have a strain that leaves absolutely no residue, I'm sure many of us would like it. Please share.
 
2012-07-30 07:54:04 PM  
As a landlord, I don't give a shiat if they smoke, whatever they smoke. If I'm lucky, they will burn that place to the ground.

///being a landlord sucks
//not a seller's market
/but neighborhood is gentrifying and I may see a profit in a decade or so
 
2012-07-30 07:59:11 PM  

Krieghund: OgreMagi: Krieghund: The Santa Monica law was not going to ban smoking in private homes, it was going to require smokers register with their landlords.

I expect to be forced to wear a little yellow star soon.

Hey, at least it will match the average smoker's teeth.


Touché
 
2012-07-30 08:14:01 PM  

OgreMagi: I expect to be forced to wear a little yellow star soon.



img.geocaching.com
/I don't really like talking about my flair.
 
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2012-07-30 08:15:33 PM  

Oznog: lung cancer will probably not be on the table. The nicotine will probably still cause heart disease but lung disease was the bulk of the problem.


Nicotine itself is also a carcinogen.
 
2012-07-30 08:18:41 PM  

evaned: Ficoce: We have the technology to cheaply and easily build proper ventilation into apartment buildings and homes, yet we continue to build them as air tight as possible that requires windows to be open for air. 100 years ago houses had loose windows and doors that allowed fresh air to enter, ...

To play devil's advocate, homes that were built 100 years ago cost a small fortune to heat in the winter because they were so drafty.


They really didn't cost that much. The houses back then had the proper ventilation and used radiant heat. When they sealed the houses up to cut the drafts, forced air needed to be used to add ventilation. Moving air that contains heat sometimes costs more than the heat itself. Heat doesn't rise, heated air does. You don't have to move heat if it's already there.

We know the math to easily engineer the acoustics, ventilation and minimum wall thickness requirements to greatly improve on what even the Europeans require, but people that build apartments like to build inexpensively. That means as close to a square box with no holes as possible. They could probably take one quarter of the money spent on the rich facades they install on the front exterior and engineer apartments that are actually pleasant to live in, whether you smoked or how big an asshat your neighbor is.

It's easier to blame the smokers.
 
2012-07-30 08:19:05 PM  
This article is a lie. We were assured that the government was only concerned about public spaces when these bans were proposed. Surely government wouldn't expand it's reach into our private lives after giving such assurances.
 
2012-07-30 08:25:20 PM  

buckler: carmody: Henry Ford used to send hired goons to his employees' homes to make sure they weren't smoking.

I was going to call BS, but a quick Google confirms you're correct. I learned my new thing for today. Thanks.


Henry Ford had a department called the Sociology Department that would go to worker's homes and make sure it was free of tobacco, booze,.and food that was too "ethnic."
 
2012-07-30 08:48:14 PM  

GoldSpider: This article is a lie. We were assured that the government was only concerned about public spaces when these bans were proposed. Surely government wouldn't expand it's reach into our private lives after giving such assurances.


Were we, now?

Also, people don't own apartments. They rent them.
 
2012-07-30 08:48:35 PM  
Hah, looks like I get my wish from that thread a few days ago...
 
2012-07-30 09:02:52 PM  
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2012-07-30 09:17:50 PM  

GilRuiz1: [i224.photobucket.com image 480x600]


Prohibitionists = Reasonable people
things = your 'right' to infringe on other people's rights
'for your own good' = 'for everyone's benefit'
1919 = forever

I think otherwise you got it exactly right. Good job, good effort.
 
2012-07-30 09:25:17 PM  

LandOfChocolate: carmody: Henry Ford used to send hired goons to his employees' homes to make sure they weren't smoking.

Hired goons?


profile.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2012-07-30 09:26:37 PM  

cmb53208: buckler: carmody: Henry Ford used to send hired goons to his employees' homes to make sure they weren't smoking.

I was going to call BS, but a quick Google confirms you're correct. I learned my new thing for today. Thanks.

Henry Ford had a department called the Sociology Department that would go to worker's homes and make sure it was free of tobacco, booze,.and food that was too "ethnic."


What were they, the fun police?
 
2012-07-30 09:46:53 PM  

Hale-Bopp: cmb53208: buckler: carmody: Henry Ford used to send hired goons to his employees' homes to make sure they weren't smoking.

I was going to call BS, but a quick Google confirms you're correct. I learned my new thing for today. Thanks.

Henry Ford had a department called the Sociology Department that would go to worker's homes and make sure it was free of tobacco, booze,.and food that was too "ethnic."

What were they, the fun police?


Well, once you understand that Henry Ford kept a picture of Hitler on his desk, and that Hitler did the same with Henry Ford, it really isn't that big of a stretch.
 
2012-07-30 10:28:56 PM  
As a former pothead id much rather weed smoke then cigarette smoke...the weed smell dissipates after a like...cigarette smoke lingers
 
2012-07-30 11:33:19 PM  
you stink up the place forever and ruin the paint etc

of course you shouldn't be allowed to smoke in someone else's place you're renting
unless you wanna put up cash for the inevitable smoke damage.

i may smoke herb but i sure don't want my place reeking of it either.
 
2012-07-30 11:44:46 PM  

Where Did I Put My Kill List?
www.gamblingkingz.com
 
2012-07-31 12:15:44 AM  
Human beings have been using tobacco for thousands of years.

Human beings will continue to use tobacco for thousands more to come. (well, if we don't blow ourselves up first, of course)

You may as well outlaw f*cking and booze.

/oh, wait..
 
2012-07-31 01:03:07 AM  
Good luck in enforcing this. I'm sure the police have nothing else to do.

Just ask New York.
 
2012-07-31 01:27:50 AM  

PlatypusPuke: Human beings have been using tobacco for thousands of years.

Human beings will continue to use tobacco for thousands more to come. (well, if we don't blow ourselves up first, of course)

You may as well outlaw f*cking and booze.

/oh, wait..


Blowing ourselves up? Forget it. That's bad for business.

Farking? Bad for the porno industry. Lost tax revenue.

Booze? Look at how badly prohibition worked out. Millions in tax revenue lost; bad for government coffers.

Regulating human behavior through legislaltion. Good luck with that.
 
2012-07-31 01:52:27 AM  

Strongbeerrules: PlatypusPuke: Human beings have been using tobacco for thousands of years.

Human beings will continue to use tobacco for thousands more to come. (well, if we don't blow ourselves up first, of course)

You may as well outlaw f*cking and booze.

/oh, wait..

Blowing ourselves up? Forget it. That's bad for business.

Farking? Bad for the porno industry. Lost tax revenue.

Booze? Look at how badly prohibition worked out. Millions in tax revenue lost; bad for government coffers.

Regulating human behavior through legislaltion. Good luck with that.


Precisely my point. I often wonder if we'd be better or worse off if we just simply acknowledged the ugly side of human proclivities and passed legislation around their inevitable pervasiveness instead of burying our heads in the sand or banking on religious dogma. Maybe in the form of clinics, care, healthy/clean/safe access, non-taboo education/rehab/therapy/help etc...

People are going to clearly do this kinda stuff no matter how hard you legislate it, as history has proven, and it could be a form of insanity to repeatedly and continually attempt to do so.
 
2012-07-31 04:55:03 AM  

xanadian: This nanny state shiat has got to stop. You've got Democrats invading your home telling you that you can't smoke, and Republicans who would be more than happy to burn a cross on a gay guy's lawn.

Both you parties. STAY OUT OF OUR GODDAMNED HOMES.


THIS.

Mind your own farking business. Don't be a dick. Treat others like you want them to treat you.
 
2012-07-31 04:59:28 AM  

OgreMagi: The nanny statists dominionists won't quit until they can get cameras into private homes to enforce their laws religion "for our own good". They can not be reasoned with. They feel no remorse. They can not be stopped.

They seen Orwell's 1984 as a how-to, not as a warning.


FTFY.
 
2012-07-31 07:56:56 AM  
I've lived for 6 years in an apartment over a chain smoking couple. Between my income and the limited housing/school options in my area, I've been pretty much stuck here (after a financially ugly divorce.) One of my kids now has chronic bronchitis which is likely aggravated by the constant smoke. Every item I own reeks of smoke. I only noticed this last year when I went on vacation and noticed that all my freshly laundered clothes I'd packed smelled like smoke. I have to run fans 24/7 and have very high heating bills in the winter as a result of trying to get some breathable air.

Now that both kids are in college, I'm finally moving next month, it will be glorious.

That being said, the city should stay out of it. A smart Landlord would offer smoke free buildings, and charge extra for the smoking buildings.
 
2012-07-31 09:49:58 AM  

The_Sponge: MoronLessOff: I think I'll have a cigar tonight.


Ditto.

/Probably an Alec Bradley.


Torqueknot: MoronLessOff: I think I'll have a cigar tonight.

This


I've enjoyed a few pipe blends, but I'm kind of new to cigars. I enjoy the sweet smokes and have a Tinderbox Wilshire in my tobacco box right now. Any suggestions?
 
2012-07-31 11:32:43 AM  

LeroyBourne: Who the hell would want to smoke in their house? Take that shiat outside. You'll never know what your clothes smell like until you do.
use to have an apt that i smoked in*
never again*


Theres the crux of the problem. My dads last apartment featured a lady that lived upstairs that smoked on her balcony and dropped the butts down onto his. She chain smoked all night out there, so he couldn't even use his balcony without smelling it all the time. Not fun.
 
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