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2012-07-30 02:34:24 PM
Good.

This nanny state shiat has got to stop. You've got Democrats invading your home telling you that you can't smoke, and Republicans who would be more than happy to burn a cross on a gay guy's lawn.

Both you parties. STAY OUT OF OUR GODDAMNED HOMES.
 
2012-07-30 03:49:20 PM
I have no problem with letting landlords decide if smoking in their building is okay, but requiring smokers to register and be put on a map? That's excessive and unnecessary.
 
2012-07-30 03:50:23 PM
Santa Monica Councilmember Bobby Shriver, who was pushing for the ban, responded with a letter to the editor saying the ban would have helped nonsmoking residents who would "live in their units free of the fear, and the health risk, that a heavy smoker will move in next to them."

I fully agree, as I likewise fear that a chronic masturbator might move in next to me, which will somehow have an effect on my life and well-being.
 
2012-07-30 03:50:44 PM
I think I'll have a cigar tonight.
 
2012-07-30 03:51:01 PM
The nanny statists won't quit until they can get cameras into private homes to enforce their laws "for our own good". They can not be reasoned with. They feel no remorse. They can not be stopped.

They seen Orwell's 1984 as a how-to, not as a warning.
 
2012-07-30 03:51:43 PM
I'd rather have tobacco smoke than weed smoke.
 
2012-07-30 03:52:04 PM
Henry Ford used to send hired goons to his employees' homes to make sure they weren't smoking.
 
2012-07-30 03:52:08 PM

TheGreatGazoo: I'd rather have tobacco smoke than weed smoke.


You're doing it wrong.
 
2012-07-30 03:52:36 PM

OgreMagi: The nanny statists won't quit until they can get cameras into private homes to enforce their laws "for our own good". They can not be reasoned with. They feel no remorse. They can not be stopped.

They seen Orwell's 1984 as a how-to, not as a warning.


Fail. The warning against leftist politics is Brave New World, not 1984.
 
2012-07-30 03:52:53 PM

xanadian: Good.

This nanny state shiat has got to stop. You've got Democrats invading your home telling you that you can't smoke, and Republicans who would be more than happy to burn a cross on a gay guy's lawn.

Both you parties. STAY OUT OF OUR GODDAMNED HOMES.


And then the smoke would get into that guy's house, then the Democrats would get all pissed off all over again.

It's a vicious cycle.
 
2012-07-30 03:52:59 PM
the commies are taking over from within. soon you won't be able to chew gum or fart dixie on the bus. meanwhile everything is free in russia and you can do whatever you please.
 
2012-07-30 03:53:30 PM

xanadian: Good.

This nanny state shiat has got to stop. You've got Democrats invading your home telling you that you can't smoke, and Republicans who would be more than happy to burn a cross on a gay guy's lawn.

Both you parties. STAY OUT OF OUR GODDAMNED HOMES.


Good point. This anti-smoking bullshiat has been out of control for 30 years now and it got to the point of being childish, petty, mean-spirited and punitive.
 
2012-07-30 03:53:44 PM
If you own a home and the smoke isn't bothering anyone, I don't have a problem with it. Where I really think smoking is an issue is with condos and apartments, because it is almost impossible to ensure that the smoke isn't floating out of the apartment and right in someone else's window. It's no different than noise ordinances. Once you start becoming a nuisance to someone else, you infringe on other people's right to go about their day unmolested by smoke, noise, or the sight saggy overweight people sunbathing naked in their back yard.
 
2012-07-30 03:54:01 PM

carmody: Henry Ford used to send hired goons to his employees' homes to make sure they weren't smoking.


I was going to call BS, but a quick Google confirms you're correct. I learned my new thing for today. Thanks.
 
2012-07-30 03:55:26 PM

Mad_Radhu: If you own a home and the smoke isn't bothering anyone, I don't have a problem with it. Where I really think smoking is an issue is with condos and apartments, because it is almost impossible to ensure that the smoke isn't floating out of the apartment and right in someone else's window. It's no different than noise ordinances. Once you start becoming a nuisance to someone else, you infringe on other people's right to go about their day unmolested by smoke, noise, or the sight saggy overweight people sunbathing naked in their back yard.


And that is exactly what they were debating here:


In Santa Monica, city officials were set to go the opposite direction passing strict new apartment smoking rules that would require smokers to register with their landlord and the landlords to distribute a map to where smokers live to all residents in the complex.
 
2012-07-30 03:56:12 PM
END COMBUSTION NOW!!!

/all of it
 
2012-07-30 03:56:28 PM

TheGreatGazoo: I'd rather have tobacco smoke than weed smoke.


...although I'm not a fan of either, I slightly prefer the smell of tobacco. I wish it were otherwise, since MJ is more socially acceptable in my particular demographic, but I just don't like the smell.

/of course, no smoke is by far the best option
 
2012-07-30 03:56:40 PM

carmody: Henry Ford used to send hired goons to his employees' homes to make sure they weren't smoking.


Hired goons?
 
2012-07-30 03:57:20 PM

TheGreatGazoo: I'd rather have tobacco smoke than weed smoke.


Why? Tobacco smoke sticks to everything. Weed smoke disappears like it was never there.
 
2012-07-30 03:58:52 PM

JackieRabbit: This anti-smoking bullshiat has been out of control for 30 years now and it got to the point of being childish, petty, mean-spirited and punitive.


...but:
danceswithfat.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-30 03:59:08 PM

kyoryu: Fail. The warning against leftist right wing politics is Brave New World Handmaid's Tale, not 1984.

 
2012-07-30 03:59:46 PM
Who the hell would want to smoke in their house? Take that shiat outside. You'll never know what your clothes smell like until you do.
use to have an apt that i smoked in*
never again*
 
2012-07-30 03:59:49 PM
Yeah, I know what you guys mean. Any time one of these isolated cities strikes out on its own to dissuade the use of a demonstrably dangerous substance, the first thing I think of is communist Russia. We all know that Stalin was an unabashed liberal, right? Right?
 
2012-07-30 03:59:58 PM
I live in a rural area on a big piece of land and our driveway is a good 400+ feet but yet I can smell the occasional diesel truck that goes by. Where does shiat like this stop?
 
2012-07-30 04:00:24 PM

buckler: Santa Monica Councilmember Bobby Shriver, who was pushing for the ban, responded with a letter to the editor saying the ban would have helped nonsmoking residents who would "live in their units free of the fear, and the health risk, that a heavy smoker will move in next to them."

I fully agree, as I likewise fear that a chronic masturbator might move in next to me, which will somehow have an effect on my life and well-being.


Or gays. Because of the AIDS.

Or muslims. Because of the terrorisms.

Or drug users. Because the local SWAT team might break into my apartment by mistake and shoot me.

Or users of internet pornography. Because if they have wireless, their sinful porno might spread to my computer.
 
2012-07-30 04:00:47 PM

MoronLessOff: I think I'll have a cigar tonight.


Criminal hater of children!
 
2012-07-30 04:01:38 PM

Mad_Radhu: Where I really think smoking is an issue is with condos and apartments, because it is almost impossible to ensure that the smoke isn't floating out of the apartment and right in someone else's window.


Agreed. But it isn't always that smoke drifts from window to window, but rather, that apartments are constructed so poorly that you end up with airflow from unit to unit.

I used to live in a unit where the downstairs neighbors used to smoke weed and the smell would drift into our unit. Not a single window open. At another unit, the adjoining neighbors were Indian and were constantly cooking with aromatic spices. Same deal with windows. In both cases, the walls were so thin you could hear people talking in neighboring units, so I wasn't surprised about the smell.

The better long-term solution would be to require thicker walls between units with improved airflow restriction. 18" of sound absorbing insulation or 12" of foam filled concrete block with vapor barriers might be a start.


/90% of the non-highrise apartments I've seen built in the past 40 years have been crap
 
2012-07-30 04:01:46 PM

Mad_Radhu: If you own a home and the smoke isn't bothering anyone, I don't have a problem with it. Where I really think smoking is an issue is with condos and apartments, because it is almost impossible to ensure that the smoke isn't floating out of the apartment and right in someone else's window. It's no different than noise ordinances. Once you start becoming a nuisance to someone else, you infringe on other people's right to go about their day unmolested by smoke, noise, or the sight saggy overweight people sunbathing naked in their back yard.


As a smoker I agree with this. I also have the courtesy of checking the wind direction and have talked to my nearby neighbors after living in a place for a few days to see if my smoking is affecting them in any way. It's just (common) courtesy. I haven't had any problems, but I can imagine that if I were, there are options/adjustments I could make. Restricting smoking at home, by law is ludicrous. If I can't smoke on the street, in a bar/restaurant, or at home, where exactly may I smoke?
 
2012-07-30 04:05:17 PM

LandOfChocolate: carmody: Henry Ford used to send hired goons to his employees' homes to make sure they weren't smoking.

Hired goons?


Volunteer goons, while long on enthusiasm, are often short on professionalism and training.
 
2012-07-30 04:05:34 PM
One of my clients who was mentally, you know, was told by her landlord no smoking in her apartment. Harassment, I thought, but, no. It turns out she was Coo-coo for Cigarettes.

www.etftrends.com

She would light several at a time for the smell, and here I thought enjoying the scent of filling up my car was pleasant/normal.
 
2012-07-30 04:05:38 PM
The intent seems like it isn't to restrict people's ability to smoke, but rather to prevent a smoker's neighbours from having to breathe their exhaust as it moves through shared ventilation. Seems similar to noise ordinances to me; it's not about preventing you from blaring music at 1AM because you enjoy it, but because it disturbs other people.
 
2012-07-30 04:06:50 PM
Santa Monica Councilmember Bobby Shriver, who was pushing for the ban, responded with a letter to the editor saying the ban would have helped nonsmoking residents who would "live in their units free of the fear, and the health risk, that a heavy smoker will move in next to them."

I feel the same way about those men and women who wear waaaay too much perfume/cologne.

Mad_Radhu: If you own a home and the smoke isn't bothering anyone, I don't have a problem with it. Where I really think smoking is an issue is with condos and apartments, because it is almost impossible to ensure that the smoke isn't floating out of the apartment and right in someone else's window. It's no different than noise ordinances. Once you start becoming a nuisance to someone else, you infringe on other people's right to go about their day unmolested by smoke, noise, or the sight saggy overweight people sunbathing naked in their back yard.

while I appreciate that smoke stinks and can be dangerous, there is no way anyone can reasonably expect to go a whole day without being "molested" by smoke or noise. Unless you plan to ban cars and buses. Getting a lung full of bus exhaust is much worse for you then "second hand" smoke at 1/1000000 PPM.

And in my neighborhood, the home owners make MUCH more noise pollution then we apt dwellers.
 
2012-07-30 04:07:59 PM

Cheron: kyoryu: Fail. The warning against leftist right wing politics is Brave New World Handmaid's Tale, not 1984.


Why can't it be both Handmaid's Tale and 1984?

Because it kind of is.
 
2012-07-30 04:08:08 PM
I urge this town to immediately ban intercourse in all public and private places because gheyz.

Darwinism at work for the betterment of the species.
 
2012-07-30 04:08:18 PM

LandOfChocolate: Mad_Radhu: If you own a home and the smoke isn't bothering anyone, I don't have a problem with it. Where I really think smoking is an issue is with condos and apartments, because it is almost impossible to ensure that the smoke isn't floating out of the apartment and right in someone else's window. It's no different than noise ordinances. Once you start becoming a nuisance to someone else, you infringe on other people's right to go about their day unmolested by smoke, noise, or the sight saggy overweight people sunbathing naked in their back yard.

And that is exactly what they were debating here:


In Santa Monica, city officials were set to go the opposite direction passing strict new apartment smoking rules that would require smokers to register with their landlord and the landlords to distribute a map to where smokers live to all residents in the complex.


I'm not sure how much good a map would do. What would be better would be to either have smoking and non-smoking buildings or have smoking apartments on the top floors. It seems like it is taking it a bit far to legislate it like this, but I wouldn't mind seeing tax breaks to encourage non-smoking apartment complexes. That way, you can easily get away from smoking if you don't like it or have health issues (my wife has a double whammy of mild asthma and migranes, both if which can be triggered by smoke), while the smokers would still be able to find their own places to live without having to worry about pissing off neighbors. It would be no different than letting the apartment choose if they allow pets or children.
 
2012-07-30 04:08:20 PM

cyberworm: Mad_Radhu: If you own a home and the smoke isn't bothering anyone, I don't have a problem with it. Where I really think smoking is an issue is with condos and apartments, because it is almost impossible to ensure that the smoke isn't floating out of the apartment and right in someone else's window. It's no different than noise ordinances. Once you start becoming a nuisance to someone else, you infringe on other people's right to go about their day unmolested by smoke, noise, or the sight saggy overweight people sunbathing naked in their back yard.

As a smoker I agree with this. I also have the courtesy of checking the wind direction and have talked to my nearby neighbors after living in a place for a few days to see if my smoking is affecting them in any way. It's just (common) courtesy. I haven't had any problems, but I can imagine that if I were, there are options/adjustments I could make. Restricting smoking at home, by law is ludicrous. If I can't smoke on the street, in a bar/restaurant, or at home, where exactly may I smoke?


I did the same, and found we had issues with the apartment complex construction. City code forced them to fix it, which really pissed them off that my smoking exposed their construction failures. After that my neighbors and I were good friends, because I came by and asked like you.

To your last question, that's the point. Smoking isn't cool any more, propaganda (on par with Reefer Madness) has caused smoking to become 'uncool' as opposed to 30 years ago. Weed is cool, so it's okay. I've stated for almost 10 years that of the Dems truly had their way pot would be legal and cigarettes would be taxed $30 a pack and you'd have to pay to go somewhere to smoke.
 
2012-07-30 04:10:04 PM
P.S. And if they don't, you may rightly conclude that they love the Ghey and hate God, Nature, Man and their children.

They must be coming down from the meth hard if they think the Tobacco Institute won't kick their asses.
 
2012-07-30 04:10:10 PM
So the town will outlaw smoking, and the potheads will start making hash brownies. Then the town can outlaw brownies!
 
2012-07-30 04:12:04 PM
What's sad is that, without the medical marijuana consideration, the People's Republic of Santa Monica was poised to pass this asinine law. Nevermind the imposition on apartment owners, who have to worry if they rent to a smoker their income goes down; nevermind the discrimination against people who smoke; no! it's all about worrying in advance if some people might be inconvenienced, so let's make a law just in case.

America is becoming a nation of self-righteous, narcissistic idiots.
 
2012-07-30 04:12:16 PM
Good, eventually the smokers can go live where they belong: with the sex offenders.
 
2012-07-30 04:12:54 PM

Parthenogenetic: Or users of internet pornography. Because if they have wireless, their sinful porno might spread to my computer.


Just think about it: if your neighbor views porn over wireless, that signal is washing over you right now. Or, to illustrate:

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-30 04:13:45 PM

davidphogan: I have no problem with letting landlords decide if smoking in their building is okay, but requiring smokers to register and be put on a map? That's excessive and unnecessary.


But but.... it would pay for itself. Can you imagine how much that map would be worth to junk mailers?


I have no idea what sort of liberals actually think this sort of shiat is a good idea - 16oz sodas, fat bans, plastic grocery bag bans (the fark) and of course making shiat hard on cigarette smokers, after all smokers only smoke cuz it's so easy and convenient... it would be a shame not to save them from themselves.
 
2012-07-30 04:14:26 PM

xanadian: Good.

This nanny state shiat has got to stop. You've got Democrats invading your home telling you that you can't smoke, and Republicans who would be more than happy to burn a cross on a gay guy's lawn.

Both you parties. STAY OUT OF OUR GODDAMNED HOMES.


Really? How many Republicans do you think raised a stink because they couldn't smoke dope in their homes?
 
2012-07-30 04:15:01 PM

Dirtybird971: while I appreciate that smoke stinks and can be dangerous, there is no way anyone can reasonably expect to go a whole day without being "molested" by smoke or noise. Unless you plan to ban cars and buses. Getting a lung full of bus exhaust is much worse for you then "second hand" smoke at 1/1000000 PPM.

And in my neighborhood, the home owners make MUCH more noise pollution then we apt dwellers.


The problem with cigarette smoke is that it stinks, and lingers. I live in an apartment, and had a heavy smoker move in the unit across the hall. The smoke would bleed through his door, my door, and my apartment would stink for hours at a time.

Fortunately, I was able to solve the issue by weather-striping the door. Now I can only smell it if I'm a foot or two away.
 
2012-07-30 04:16:07 PM
Since when is Santa Monica small enough to be called a "town?"
 
2012-07-30 04:16:13 PM

drayno76: I did the same, and found we had issues with the apartment complex construction. City code forced them to fix it, which really pissed them off that my smoking exposed their construction failures. After that my neighbors and I were good friends, because I came by and asked like you.

To your last question, that's the point. Smoking isn't cool any more, propaganda (on par with Reefer Madness) has caused smoking to become 'uncool' as opposed to 30 years ago. Weed is cool, so it's okay. I've stated for almost 10 years that of the Dems truly had their way pot would be legal and cigarettes would be taxed $30 a pack and you'd have to pay to go somewhere to smoke.



What I find interesting, is that I live next door in Venice, and judging from some of the places I have lived, there is no shared ventilation at all, save for an open window. Each unit is practically sealed from the other, with the only real common/shared airspace being the hallway. In that situation, smoke is the least offensive pollutant lingering in the air. If Santa Monicans are so concerned about air quality in apartments, they would do something about the bus exhaust. As it is now, if you live on the second floor or higher near a bus line, you're breathing in black soot. I know because I lived on a major street in venice, and was constantly (daily+) wiping a nasty black film off of everything.

Want a pollution free life? Hermetically seal yourself into your apartment with a bag of dicks, eat them, then die.

It would be better for the environment that way.
 
2012-07-30 04:16:20 PM

scottydoesntknow: Why? Tobacco smoke sticks to everything. Weed smoke disappears like it was never there.


Sure, then why do I smell the putrid odor of skunk around weed smokers?

/I'll take tobacco smoke any day.

Why was my friend busted for smoking weed in college when he went back home to visit his mom? His mom grabbed his hand and sniffed it, busted. (he tried to hide it by not smoking weed for a few weeks prior to going home)

JackieRabbit: Good point. This anti-smoking bullshiat has been out of control for 30 years now and it got to the point of being childish, petty, mean-spirited and punitive.


There is a Clean Air Coalition here where I live right now. They are trying to enforce rules that only let you smoke at your house or in your car. Everything else is off limits if a man, woman or child has to deal with your smoke. What happens at stop lights when your smoke blows into a car next to you? What happens when smoke on your property crosses into the neighbors yard? The biatch leading the charge said it will help keep business in town rather than making people run off to different towns for a sit down restaurant that bans smoking inside. Then they went on to state that studies have shown that there is little to no economic difference at businesses when a smoking ban is in place. They just see it as an added perk...
 
2012-07-30 04:17:41 PM
Apartments shouldn't have shared ventilation.
 
2012-07-30 04:18:14 PM

kyoryu: OgreMagi: The nanny statists won't quit until they can get cameras into private homes to enforce their laws "for our own good". They can not be reasoned with. They feel no remorse. They can not be stopped.

They seen Orwell's 1984 as a how-to, not as a warning.

Fail. The warning against leftist politics is Brave New World, not 1984.


"Big Brother is Watching You."
― George Orwell, 1984
 
2012-07-30 04:18:52 PM
The Santa Monica law was not going to ban smoking in private homes, it was going to require smokers register with their landlords.
 
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