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(Salt Lake Tribune)   The economy still stinks and voters score the GOP higher on key issues. So why isn't Obama tanking in the polls?   (sltrib.com) divider line 279
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2012-07-30 12:31:45 AM
I believe the reason rhymes with Spit Homney.
 
2012-07-30 12:51:07 AM

SilentStrider: I believe the reason rhymes with Spit Homney.


Done in one.
 
2012-07-30 02:13:36 AM
That or the fact that the GOP policies, being defended by the GOP tooth and nail, are killing the economy and every win Obama's gotten is very hard fought but improves the situation for the voters who like him.

If they would STFU and pass some of his legislation, I might vote for them because they're obviously concerned about me, the voter. As it is... they're obviously not. So no GOP votes unless the democrat REALLY stinks or a third party guy actually has a chance.
 
2012-07-30 02:22:10 AM
If I had to guess, I'd say it had to do with the fact that the GOP is barking mad and nobody wants to put them anywhere near power ever again.
 
2012-07-30 02:37:55 AM
A lot can and will happen between now and November, but I'm pretty sure Obama would wipe the map if the election was held today.

But that's today. Is it normal for it to be practically August and Mitt still hasn't declared a running mate? I can't remember.
 
2012-07-30 02:47:24 AM

Confabulat: But that's today. Is it normal for it to be practically August and Mitt still hasn't declared a running mate? I can't remember.


McCain announced Palin August 29th, so I suppose it's right in line with the immediate precedent.

Also, didn't McCain announce the very morning after Obama's megaspeech at the Mile High?
 
2012-07-30 02:55:21 AM

RadioAaron: Confabulat: But that's today. Is it normal for it to be practically August and Mitt still hasn't declared a running mate? I can't remember.

McCain announced Palin August 29th, so I suppose it's right in line with the immediate precedent.

Also, didn't McCain announce the very morning after Obama's megaspeech at the Mile High?


Weird, it seems like they should do that earlier to get the bumper stickers cranking. Oh well. I guess there's still almost a full college football season to go.
 
2012-07-30 07:57:32 AM

RadioAaron: Confabulat: But that's today. Is it normal for it to be practically August and Mitt still hasn't declared a running mate? I can't remember.

McCain announced Palin August 29th, so I suppose it's right in line with the immediate precedent.

Also, didn't McCain announce the very morning after Obama's megaspeech at the Mile High?


Yeah. That at least was carefully planned to mitigate a poll bump.
 
2012-07-30 09:16:33 AM
Because people who've been paying any attention at all understand that not only has the economy improved in all measurable categories, it could have improved FASTER if the GOP didn't obstruct every single piece of legislation designed to fix the problem.

And low information voters, you know- morons, don't like Romney because he's an out of touch rich guy with a funny religion.
 
2012-07-30 09:45:27 AM
When people tell me that the economy sucks, I always ask them what an un-sucky economy would be.
 
2012-07-30 10:02:41 AM
Because the economy is slowly recovering regardless of obstructionism from the Right, subby?
 
2012-07-30 10:02:51 AM
www.csmonitor.com
 
2012-07-30 10:02:55 AM
"Yes, Obama duped young people by not doing every single thing they want. So now, they'll all vote Republican. It's like when I want some bread, I won't settle for half a loaf. Instead, I will have a muffin made of broken glass." - Stephen Colbert
 
2012-07-30 10:04:00 AM
Because what a "Key Issue" entails varies depends on who you ask, the economy is measurably better than it was when Obama took office, and Mitt Romney's economic policy is the exact same as the GW Bush economic policy that at worst caused and at best failed to prevent the economic collapse in the first place.
 
2012-07-30 10:06:09 AM
Real answer: Because in a national election between only two major parties it becomes a contest of who people like the best. In this case, Romney's inability to connect with white middle class voters has only been damaged by Priorities USA PAC's effective anti-Romney ads in Rust Belt states. Romney's current favorables are in historically low numbers for a candidate 100 days out of an election. These two things have cause Romney's campaign to find a defensive battle rather than an offensive one. OFA will have swing states locked up sooner than normal, allowing them to work on states like Texas and Arizona, where they can use the high Hispanic population to defeat GOP down ticket races.

Fark Answer: Because there are the real polls. The Commie Media has hid the real polls from the public in order to appease their master, 0bama. In reality, Romney will sweep all states but the ones filled with minorities, gays, and loose women on birth control.
 
2012-07-30 10:06:28 AM
fta: "One likely reason: Voters like him more than Mitt Romney."

bingo.
at this point people are answering based on who they like. do people think that everyone is paying attention to politics in August?
 
2012-07-30 10:06:30 AM
Because the majority of "independent" voters out there look at Obama, who is working very hard to at least TRY to put policy in place to make things better but is getting his nuts cut off at every single term by a bunch of power-mad, obstructionist assholes who refuse even the SLIGHTEST ounce of cooperation, and realize that he's the best choice.

Then they look at Romney and see a clown.
 
2012-07-30 10:07:00 AM
Because Mitt Romney is an incompetent boob and nobody likes him.
 
2012-07-30 10:07:11 AM

WTF Indeed: In reality, Romney will sweep all states but the ones filled with minorities, gays, and loose women on birth control.


Oh come on. He has to at least win ONE state.
 
2012-07-30 10:07:15 AM
The economy may not be great, but it has improved greatly since late 2008...

GDP performance during the Obama Administration has gone into positive growth.
www.tradingeconomics.com

US stock markets performance during the Obama Administration...
DOW in 01/20/2009: 7,949.09
DOW in 07/27/2012: 13,075.66
Rate of Return: 64.49%

S&P 500 in 01/20/2009: 805.22
S&P 500 in 07/27/2012: 1,385.97
Rate of Return: 72.12%

NASDAQ in 01/20/2009: 1,440.86
NASDAQ in 07/27/2012: 2,958.09
Rate of Return: 105.30%


Private jobs hemorrhage slowed down during the Obama Administration and eventually went into positive territory.
farm6.staticflickr.com

Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation between President Bush and President Obama.

Bush
1/20/2001: 4.2%
1/20/2009: 7.7%
Unemployment Rate Change: 83.33% increase

Obama
1/20/2009: 7.7%
Currently: 8.2%
Unemployment Rate Change: 6.49% increase

Unemployment rate has been trending down now during the Obama Administration...
i2.cdn.turner.com

...Even though the Tea Party Nation urged small business owners to not hire people in order to make Obama look bad

Or when a company with company policies about not hiring until Obama is gone based on nothing to do with the basic supply and demand process for his business goods.

Or having Mitch McConnell admit that Republicans took America hostage

Or having the GOP blocked a 10 percent tax break for small businesses that hires new employees

Even so, the job market did improve. Read all about it...

Private-sector job growth biggest in 3 years (new window)

Stealth signs of a stronger job market (new window)

Biggest unemployment rate improvement in nearly 28 years (new window)

Small businesses ramp up jobs (new window)

Jobs: 2 hopeful signs (new window)

The unemployment rate fell to 8.3%. That is the lowest since February 2009 (new window)

Stealth jobs boom: 6 months, 2 million jobs (new window)

Jobless claims plunged last week to a nearly four-year low (new window)

If you are unemployed or underemployed, you don't have a 4 year degree (or higher) and blame Obama for your situation, then maybe you should get a college degree. It is not the Government's fault you don't have the necessary skills to compete in today's world. The Government can even help you pay for it (via student loans, grants, GI Bill etc.).
farm8.staticflickr.com

Average weekly paychecks have improved.
i2.cdn.turner.com

Inflation has not been out of control.
i2.cdn.turner.com

Manufacturing has started to go up.
i2.cdn.turner.com

Consumer spending is up.
i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2012-07-30 10:07:47 AM

RadioAaron: Confabulat: But that's today. Is it normal for it to be practically August and Mitt still hasn't declared a running mate? I can't remember.

McCain announced Palin August 29th, so I suppose it's right in line with the immediate precedent.

Also, didn't McCain announce the very morning after Obama's megaspeech at the Mile High?


When was the Republican convention that year? Was he officially the nominee at that point? I was under the impression that they don't normally announce their running mate until they're actually nominated at the convention.
 
2012-07-30 10:07:55 AM
So why isn't Obama tanking in the polls?

Have you see who he's running against?
 
2012-07-30 10:08:00 AM
Maybe voters don't trust that Mitt Romney is even a member of the GOP. I mean, he says he is, but everything else he says is a lie. Why not that, too?
 
2012-07-30 10:08:32 AM
Because despite the extremist rhetoric and blaming of the libs for everything 24/7 from right wing news on TV, the radio, the internet, blogs, conservapedia, the museum with jesus riding dinosaurs people still see through the bullshiat and many of them know republicans are even worse than anything Obama has done.
 
2012-07-30 10:08:39 AM

Lord_Baull: Because the economy is slowly recovering regardless of obstructionism from the Right, subby?


Citation?

Haven't you seen the jobs report?

(hint, when we keep losing jobs, that doesn't mean the economy is slowly recovering)
 
2012-07-30 10:08:51 AM

Confabulat: RadioAaron: Confabulat: But that's today. Is it normal for it to be practically August and Mitt still hasn't declared a running mate? I can't remember.

McCain announced Palin August 29th, so I suppose it's right in line with the immediate precedent.

Also, didn't McCain announce the very morning after Obama's megaspeech at the Mile High?

Weird, it seems like they should do that earlier to get the bumper stickers cranking. Oh well. I guess there's still almost a full college football season to go.


The strength of the running mate might have something to do with that.
 
2012-07-30 10:09:00 AM
It's almost like the Republicans have gone out of their way to marginalize everyone out of their party but angry white males or something.
 
2012-07-30 10:09:14 AM

hugram: The economy may not be great, but it has improved greatly since late 2008...

GDP performance during the Obama Administration has gone into positive growth.
[www.tradingeconomics.com image 700x300]

US stock markets performance during the Obama Administration...
DOW in 01/20/2009: 7,949.09
DOW in 07/27/2012: 13,075.66
Rate of Return: 64.49%

S&P 500 in 01/20/2009: 805.22
S&P 500 in 07/27/2012: 1,385.97
Rate of Return: 72.12%

NASDAQ in 01/20/2009: 1,440.86
NASDAQ in 07/27/2012: 2,958.09
Rate of Return: 105.30%

Private jobs hemorrhage slowed down during the Obama Administration and eventually went into positive territory.
[farm6.staticflickr.com image 500x349]

Comparing unemployment rate fluctuation between President Bush and President Obama.

Bush
1/20/2001: 4.2%
1/20/2009: 7.7%
Unemployment Rate Change: 83.33% increase

Obama
1/20/2009: 7.7%
Currently: 8.2%
Unemployment Rate Change: 6.49% increase

Unemployment rate has been trending down now during the Obama Administration...
[i2.cdn.turner.com image 620x355]

...Even though the Tea Party Nation urged small business owners to not hire people in order to make Obama look bad

Or when a company with company policies about not hiring until Obama is gone based on nothing to do with the basic supply and demand process for his business goods.

Or having Mitch McConnell admit that Republicans took America hostage

Or having the GOP blocked a 10 percent tax break for small businesses that hires new employees

Even so, the job market did improve. Read all about it...

Private-sector job growth biggest in 3 years (new window)

Stealth signs of a stronger job market (new window)

Biggest unemployment rate improvement in nearly 28 years (new window)

Small businesses ramp up jobs (new window)

Jobs: 2 hopeful signs (new window)

The unemployment rate fell to 8.3%. That is the lowest since February 2009 (new window)

Stealth jobs boom: 6 months, 2 million jobs (new window)

Jobless claims plunged last week to a nearly fo ...


Numbers are socalist.
 
2012-07-30 10:09:17 AM
I really hate that the GOP is just associated with "good economics." It was the opposite of true when they had ideas and we tried them, and it's just absurd now that they have NO ideas.
 
2012-07-30 10:09:19 AM
Really the answer is because people are dumb and they go with the more likable candidate. Which in this case is clearly Obama.

To be fair, if people weren't dumb then the GOP would be getting thrashed for their policy positions and their actions in Congress.
 
2012-07-30 10:11:40 AM
Hm. Looks like the whole "not black" strategy of the GOP isn't working as well as they'd have liked.

At least they still have voter suppression to fall back on.
 
2012-07-30 10:11:50 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Lord_Baull: Because the economy is slowly recovering regardless of obstructionism from the Right, subby?

Citation?

Haven't you seen the jobs report?

(hint, when we keep losing jobs, that doesn't mean the economy is slowly recovering)



You know, some people might consider gloating over a poor jobs report poor form.

Those people are probably Kenyen marksists.
 
2012-07-30 10:12:17 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Lord_Baull: Because the economy is slowly recovering regardless of obstructionism from the Right, subby?

Citation?

Haven't you seen the jobs report?

(hint, when we keep losing jobs, that doesn't mean the economy is slowly recovering)


Um, have we had a single month of net job losses since the beginning of 2010 that wasn't entirely attributable to the Census?
 
2012-07-30 10:12:34 AM
And Newhouse pointed to the National Republican Convention in late August as a likely venue for showcasing Romney's personal strengths. "People don't really know Mitt Romney yet," he said. "By election day, I think they're going to really get a feel for who he is, what drives him."

We'll have to vote for it to find out what's in it.
 
2012-07-30 10:12:36 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Lord_Baull: Because the economy is slowly recovering regardless of obstructionism from the Right, subby?

Citation?


Look up, about four posts.
 
2012-07-30 10:13:10 AM

InmanRoshi: It's almost like the Republicans have gone out of their way to marginalize everyone out of their party but angry white males or something.


The problem is that doesn't seem to hurt them electorally. If there was a better candidate than Mitt Romney, Obama would be in serious trouble.
 
2012-07-30 10:13:45 AM

LasersHurt: I really hate that the GOP is just associated with "good economics." It was the opposite of true when they had ideas and we tried them, and it's just absurd now that they have NO ideas.


Behold the power of marketing.
 
2012-07-30 10:14:34 AM
Because Mitt Romney and the GOP are farking ridiculous?

I disagree with Obama on a few issues and I'm still giving him a C+ on his performance to date, but compared to what the GOP are offering, I'm going to happily vote to reelect Obama. The GOP is unhinged and is actively working to make things worse in this country in the hopes of bolstering their chances in November. I see no reason to reward that kind of partisan shiattiness... If fact, I refuse to vote for any GOP candidates this time around. They don't deserve my vote.
 
2012-07-30 10:15:02 AM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: LasersHurt: I really hate that the GOP is just associated with "good economics." It was the opposite of true when they had ideas and we tried them, and it's just absurd now that they have NO ideas.

Behold the power of marketing.


They're associated with "good foreign policy", "strong defense", and "morality" as well, despite their utter and abject failures in all areas.
 
2012-07-30 10:16:23 AM

qorkfiend: InmanRoshi: It's almost like the Republicans have gone out of their way to marginalize everyone out of their party but angry white males or something.

The problem is that doesn't seem to hurt them electorally. If there was a better candidate than Mitt Romney, Obama would be in serious trouble.


If there was a better candidate than Mitt Romney, the retarded GOP base would have kept him out of the general and the candidate today would still be Romney.
 
2012-07-30 10:16:23 AM

qorkfiend: InmanRoshi: It's almost like the Republicans have gone out of their way to marginalize everyone out of their party but angry white males or something.

The problem is that doesn't seem to hurt them electorally. If there was a better candidate than Mitt Romney, Obama would be in serious trouble.


The thing is, the Republicans have basically made it impossible for them to have a "better candidate". They have moved so much to the fringe, and have become so dominated by the demagogues and extremists that they can't run a halfway decent candidate. Romney was the best candidate they had this time, and not by a small margin.
 
2012-07-30 10:16:39 AM
The many a knuckle-dragging GOPer thinks they're a displaced millionaire, it's so adorable!!!
 
2012-07-30 10:17:21 AM

qorkfiend: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: LasersHurt: I really hate that the GOP is just associated with "good economics." It was the opposite of true when they had ideas and we tried them, and it's just absurd now that they have NO ideas.

Behold the power of marketing.

They're associated with "good foreign policy", "strong defense", and "morality" as well, despite their utter and abject failures in all areas.


Luckily, it's fairly easy to associate all of those words with the phrase "The GOP lacks..."
 
2012-07-30 10:17:28 AM

hugram: The economy may not be great, but it has improved greatly since late 2008...


Yeah, but where's the chart showing Obama getting less black?
 
2012-07-30 10:17:40 AM
Yay! I get to pull out this one again! It's actually kinda sad that this is still applicable.

i13.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-30 10:17:46 AM
They are looking at the poll numbers all wrong. If you go back and look at the polling data retroactively, Romney is leading Obama 2-1.
 
2012-07-30 10:18:33 AM
i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-30 10:19:16 AM

what_now:
And low information voters, you know- morons, don't like Romney because he's an out of touch rich guy with a funny religion.


Hey now, you're talking about Real Americans(TM) - the salt of the earth - the common clay.
 
2012-07-30 10:19:19 AM
So why isn't Obama tanking in the polls?

Maybe people are waking up from the divisive politics and fear mongering which seems to be all the GOP can offer, aside from absolute Clown Shoes picks for the highest office in the land. Maybe the 'Cry wolf and let slip the tears of war' tactics grow weary to people who wake up every day and think 'Wow, the 5000th day in a row I woke up and christ wasn't snatched from christmas, they didn't tek er guns, no forced abortions at 7-11 with coffee, the secret muslim-radical christian-Kenyan socialist hasn't let the UN in in the night, etc!' Maybe people who would lean towards the GOP normally are fully realizing they nuts run the asylum, maybe people watch Colbert and the Daily Show and see the lies and misrepresentation by Romney and his campaign, maybe average people finally want a better product from this group of whimpering, old turds selling out their constituents for their short term gains, instead of a steady diet of fear politics and Clown Shoes leaders.

Or maybe it's August, and as usual in these cycles, no one is paying much attention anyway.
 
2012-07-30 10:19:39 AM
i1.kym-cdn.com
 
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