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(IT News Australia)   DEFCON attendees raise threat level to OhShiat after noticing that one of the speakers is a four-star general. Specifically, the one in charge of the NSA   (itnews.com.au) divider line 58
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2012-07-30 12:06:49 AM
That would be the ultimate game of spot the fed.
 
2012-07-30 12:16:51 AM
I was all set to say

img33.imageshack.us

but then I RTFA. What went on was actually rather cool.
 
2012-07-30 01:21:51 AM
yawn

/at DEF CON
 
2012-07-30 01:21:54 AM
What was really trolltastic is they put the NSA booth next to the EFF.
 
2012-07-30 01:22:18 AM
"Why shouldn't I work for the N.S.A.? That's a tough one, but I'll take a shot. Say I'm working at the N.S.A. Somebody puts a code on my desk, something nobody else can break. Maybe I take a shot at it and maybe I break it. And I'm real happy with myself, 'cause I did my job well. But maybe that code was the location of some rebel army in North Africa or the Middle East. Once they have that location, they bomb the village where the rebels were hiding and fifteen hundred people that I never met and that I never had no problem with get killed. Now the politicians are sayin', "Send in the marines to secure the area" 'cause they don't give a shiat. It won't be their kid over there, gettin' shot. Just like it wasn't them when their number was called, 'cause they were pullin' a tour in the National Guard. It'll be some kid from Southie takin' shrapnel in the ass. And he comes home to find that the plant he used to work at got exported to the country he just got back from. And the guy who put the shrapnel in his ass got his old job, 'cause he'll work for fifteen cents a day and no bathroom breaks. Meanwhile he realizes the only reason he was over there in the first place was so we could install a government that would sell us oil at a good price. And of course the oil companies used the skirmish over there to scare up domestic oil prices. A cute little ancillary benefit for them but it ain't helping my buddy at two-fifty a gallon. They're takin' their sweet time bringin' the oil back, and maybe even took the liberty of hiring an alcoholic skipper who likes to drink martinis and farkin' play slalom with the icebergs, and it ain't too long 'til he hits one, spills the oil and kills all the sea life in the North Atlantic. So now my buddy's out of work and he can't afford to drive, so he's walking to the farkin' job interviews, which sucks 'cause the schrapnel in his ass is givin' him chronic hemorroids. And meanwhile he's starvin' 'cause every time he tries to get a bite to eat the only blue plate special they're servin' is North Atlantic scrod with Quaker State. So what did I think? I'm holdin' out for somethin' better. I figure, fark it, while I'm at it, why not just shoot my buddy, take his job and give it to his sworn enemy, hike up gas prices, bomb a village, club a baby seal, hit the hash pipe and join the National Guard? I could be elected president. "
 
2012-07-30 01:24:20 AM

b2theory: That would be the ultimate game of spot the fed.


...the presence of the head of the biggest US spy agency, who was flanked by an entourage of plain-clothes guards and DefCon's own red-shirted security force who call themselves "goons".

Good news: you landed a part-time security job!
Bad news: Yah. Red shirt. Godspeed.
 
2012-07-30 01:37:01 AM
Spot the fed and defcon itself have been kindof a joke for a while now. I stopped going several years back when I realized that it was nothing more than a recruiting drive. And the irony was not lost on me that all the 'fight the power' type hackers were completely willing to roll over with obsequiousness for the suits.

Hasn't been worthwhile in years unless one is looking for a job w/o a good CV.

/Includes BlackHat
 
2012-07-30 01:40:32 AM

b2theory: That would be the ultimate game of spot the fed.


i759.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-30 01:40:51 AM

BafflerMeal: Hasn't been worthwhile in years unless one is looking for a job w/o a good CV.


That's all cons.
 
2012-07-30 01:43:26 AM

BafflerMeal: Spot the fed and defcon itself have been kindof a joke for a while now. I stopped going several years back when I realized that it was nothing more than a recruiting drive. And the irony was not lost on me that all the 'fight the power' type hackers were completely willing to roll over with obsequiousness for the suits.

Hasn't been worthwhile in years unless one is looking for a job w/o a good CV.

/Includes BlackHat


I've never understood the "fight the power" type hackers. Its like people who think that graffiting other peoples' buildings is a good idea. When they're spying on and generally farking someone's life over, how is that a good idea? "Yeah I'm a good guy, but I really need to look at your private documents".
 
2012-07-30 01:47:02 AM

MadSkillz: BafflerMeal: Spot the fed and defcon itself have been kindof a joke for a while now. I stopped going several years back when I realized that it was nothing more than a recruiting drive. And the irony was not lost on me that all the 'fight the power' type hackers were completely willing to roll over with obsequiousness for the suits.

Hasn't been worthwhile in years unless one is looking for a job w/o a good CV.

/Includes BlackHat

I've never understood the "fight the power" type hackers. Its like people who think that graffiting other peoples' buildings is a good idea. When they're spying on and generally farking someone's life over, how is that a good idea? "Yeah I'm a good guy, but I really need to look at your private documents".


Enh. 'fight the power' and 'bad guy' both do not mean bad-guy. That's just the news and social programming. Of course people will argue about the definition of 'hacker' for eons...
 
2012-07-30 02:04:55 AM

MadSkillz: When they're spying on and generally farking someone's life over, how is that a good idea?


When you see a bad man about to do bad things to an innocent and shoot him in the back and he dies, you have done a good thing.

When you shoot a stranger doing no harm to anyone in the back and he dies, you have done the worst possible thing.

The same action can be judged differently based on circumstances, intent, and results.

When you ruin the life of a 12 year old girl for posting a youtube video by doxing her and letting the mouthbreathers post her death threats that's bad.

When you ruin the life of that guy who was feeding wikileaks top secret documents by back tracing him and getting him arrested for high treason, that's good.

So the act of hacking someone and messing with them really becomes about who they are and why you're doing it more than the act itself.
 
2012-07-30 02:16:02 AM

doglover: MadSkillz: When they're spying on and generally farking someone's life over, how is that a good idea?

When you see a bad man about to do bad things to an innocent and shoot him in the back and he dies, you have done a good thing.

When you shoot a stranger doing no harm to anyone in the back and he dies, you have done the worst possible thing.

The same action can be judged differently based on circumstances, intent, and results.

When you ruin the life of a 12 year old girl for posting a youtube video by doxing her and letting the mouthbreathers post her death threats that's bad.

When you ruin the life of that guy who was feeding wikileaks top secret documents by back tracing him and getting him arrested for high treason, that's good.

So the act of hacking someone and messing with them really becomes about who they are and why you're doing it more than the act itself.


Not sure if getting someone arrested for high treason is good. Specifically because of your other examples, the data he has might show people behaving badly and being held unaccountable. Of course, then again, in America, noone with power is ever held accountable for anything. The bank people who torpedoed the world economy are still employed. Noone's tried GWB for lying about WMDs in order to gain a foothold in Iraq to make business for his buddies.
 
2012-07-30 02:44:35 AM

MadSkillz: Not sure if getting someone arrested for high treason is good. Specifically because of your other examples, the data he has might show people behaving badly and being held unaccountable.


Doing a good thing and doing a legal thing are different.


If you have information that fingers someone in power that's done a bad thing releasing that is a good thing. You will also go to prison for a long time or be killed for doing this. Now you know why it's called the straight and narrow. It's hard to stay on that path.

The guy who released stuff to wikileaks I don't like because a lot of it wasn't anything except revealing to our loyal agents and did nothing good. Also he stuck around after feeding out top secret information to someone he knew was going to publish this information. If you're going to break your oaths of loyalty to a nation, make sure of two things: 1. That it's the right decision. 2. You're ready to die horrifically, because that's traditionally the penalty.

Anyone who breaks laws for the greater good should be ready to face the consequences.There's plenty of people who deserve a good taking down from someone extra-legal like Batman. That doesn't mean you can allow super heroes. If anyone could be a vigilante, it would soon turn into a bloodbath. Imagine That's why part of doing the right thing is taking your lumps. Socrates drank his poison. Never forget that.
 
2012-07-30 02:45:21 AM
Be on the lookout for this woman:

images.kaneva.com
 
2012-07-30 02:49:06 AM
This is the statement that got me,

"Americans pay taxes so that federal agencies can defend them," said a researcher who asked not to be named. "I see it as a hard sell asking a business entity to spend money for the common good."

So f-u I got mine?
 
2012-07-30 03:04:45 AM
In goes hackers. Out comes patriots.
 
2012-07-30 03:34:59 AM
Just an article and you can STILL feel the tension in that place.
 
2012-07-30 03:50:32 AM

b2theory: That would be the ultimate game of spot the fed.


Nope. They can't openly announce it. Otherwise you'd have a stampede.

/No, you can't be a government contractor either
//Read all the rules if you want to know specifics
 
2012-07-30 07:14:03 AM

gingerjet: yawn

/at DEF CON


Anything interesting happening?
 
2012-07-30 07:38:57 AM

doglover:
The guy who released stuff to wikileaks I don't like because a lot of it wasn't anything except revealing to our loyal agents and did nothing good. Also he stuck around after feeding out top secret information to someone he knew was going to publish this information.


Bradley Manning. Who, whilst I fully support the court martial and subsequent sentencing of, as he did go against the military code of conduct and should have to answer for that... I frankly find some of the abuses that have been, allegedly, handed out to him to be appalling. You do not abuse your prisoners. Ever. That includes the 'not torture' stuff as well.

But I support his actions, because that is shiat that I think people need to know; the laundry list of what sort of crap goes on behind those closed doors, the dirty tricks that are pulled... things that, the people who elect their political representatives might a) not want those officials doing and b) might not be aware this is what goes on.

If half of what they've allegedly done to that guy is true, he should get a full pardon, it's tainted whatever precedings take place.
 
2012-07-30 07:46:56 AM

Vaneshi: If half of what they've allegedly done to that guy is true, he should get a full pardon


then they should go ahead and actually do the other half of the stuff to him. Seriously. Fark that guy. Death is too good for him. Thanks to that asshat, and the overreactions put in place to try to prevent future Bradley Mannings, my job (and the jobs of anyone who deals with classified info) is now incredibly more difficult, and the costs to the government much greater.
 
2012-07-30 08:05:49 AM

Vaneshi: If half of what they've allegedly done to that guy is true, he should get a full pardon, it's tainted whatever precedings take place.


I agree they were dicks. But that's what happens when you're dealing with the powers that be. THEY HAVE POWERS. Back in the day, they would strip your skin off your flesh and salt the wound. Now they lock you in a pleasant solitary confinement. Pleasant relative to the Count of Monte Cristo style dungeons of old. Look up oubliette. Those were used.

What should his punishment be? Probably death if anyone died from the documents' release. Probably not much different than he's already getting if no one did. It's a sad fact he did break his oath. And unlike some small promise like "I'll be there Friday." and subsequent flaking, an oath to protect a government and then betraying them is a hanging offense. He should have been prepared to die. Prepare for the worst, hop for the best.
 
2012-07-30 08:22:51 AM

doglover: Vaneshi: If half of what they've allegedly done to that guy is true, he should get a full pardon, it's tainted whatever precedings take place.

I agree they were dicks. But that's what happens when you're dealing with the powers that be. THEY HAVE POWERS. Back in the day, they would strip your skin off your flesh and salt the wound. Now they lock you in a pleasant solitary confinement. Pleasant relative to the Count of Monte Cristo style dungeons of old. Look up oubliette. Those were used.

What should his punishment be? Probably death if anyone died from the documents' release. Probably not much different than he's already getting if no one did. It's a sad fact he did break his oath. And unlike some small promise like "I'll be there Friday." and subsequent flaking, an oath to protect a government and then betraying them is a hanging offense. He should have been prepared to die. Prepare for the worst, hop for the best.


And what do you feel about the journalists and Deep Throat who caused the Watergate scandal to be brought to light? Did they commit high treason by exposing the crimes of the government?
 
2012-07-30 08:24:02 AM

BafflerMeal: Spot the fed and defcon itself have been kindof a joke for a while now. I stopped going several years back when I realized that it was nothing more than a recruiting drive. And the irony was not lost on me that all the 'fight the power' type hackers were completely willing to roll over with obsequiousness for the suits.

Hasn't been worthwhile in years unless one is looking for a job w/o a good CV.

/Includes BlackHat


Pretty much this. Their tune changed real quick when DOD started cutting checks.
 
2012-07-30 08:31:48 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu:
then they should go ahead and actually do the other half of the stuff to him. Seriously. Fark that guy. Death is too good for him. Thanks to that asshat, and the overreactions put in place to try to prevent future Bradley Mannings, my job (and the jobs of anyone who deals with classified info) is now incredibly more difficult, and the costs to the government much greater.


Perhaps, just perhaps, it wouldn't cost so much nor of made your work life so difficult if they weren't trying to keep so much of it secret? Does that laundry list (literally a list of laundry) from the embassy REALLY need managing on the Secret network and all the attended watching such things entail? Why, exactly, shouldn't that be on the open network and available for FOI requests, it's a laundry list FFS.

Also, lets see how YOU like IV's of anti-psychotics being pumped in to you so you don't go insane whilst they torture you.

doglover: What should his punishment be?


Well the typical punishment for treason is death by hanging, probably at whatever 'Traitors Gate' you guys have. He should of been fully prepared for that outcome before releasing the data. If Manning thought for a second that wasn't a possibility he's.... exceptionally naive to say the least.

If they'd of just thrown him in the stockade, tried him in a military court and dropped him through a hole with a 6ft length of rope around his neck once convicted, nobody would of said a word (ok they would but not to this degree). But now they're on record as using torture on him you can't just let the wheels of justice spin as the guy has already, in the eyes of some, been quite harshly punished for his actions and in ways that many feel violates his human rights; hell doesn't torturing prisoners actually go against the military codes of conduct?

The powers that be should of been balls out making sure Manning got his fair trial and was held up as an example of A) we eat our own dog food (i.e. follow our own rules) and B) we hang fairly convicted traitors. This clown car fiasco though... they can't come back from it.
 
2012-07-30 08:36:39 AM

The_Time_Master:
And what do you feel about the journalists and Deep Throat who caused the Watergate scandal to be brought to light? Did they commit high treason by exposing the crimes of the government?


Maybe. That is, as always, for the courts to decide. The wrong thing for the right reason is still the wrong thing and must be treated as such; perhaps "for the public good" is a mitigating circumstance perhaps not... but that's for the courts to decide as well.
 
2012-07-30 08:37:01 AM
Who else read "NASA" and got excited for all of about four seconds?
 
2012-07-30 08:37:45 AM
Taking questions screened by Moss, Alexander adamantly denied that the NSA had dossiers on millions of Americans, as some former employees had suggested.

"The people who would say we are doing that should know better," he said. "That is absolute nonsense."



Oh, well, gee, case closed then. Government officials never lie.
 
2012-07-30 08:46:26 AM

wmoonfox: Who else read "NASA" and got excited for all of about four seconds?


Not gonna lie, I did that. It was only about half a second though.
 
2012-07-30 08:54:17 AM

doglover: When you ruin the life of that guy who was feeding wikileaks top secret documents by back tracing him and getting him arrested for high treason, that's good.


That's about the furthest thing from what happened. What the gov alleges is that Manning got in touch with a well-known "hacker" who had been an informant of theirs for years, and that in the course of his conversations with this informant Manning admitted to sending the files in question to Wikileaks. There was no fancy-schmancy computer mumbo-jumbo; the entire case starts with an alleged confession over a chat client.

Secondly, he wasn't charged with treason. In fact he wasn't charged at all until 18 months after he'd been arrested(how's that for a speedy trial?), and even then it's easy to make the argument that the charges were only levied because of the campaign pressuring the gov to start abiding by the Constitution in its treatment of him, not because the marines, the DOD, or the White House particularly wanted to stop treating him like a soviet political prisoner. And that's not hyperbole on my part. He was kept naked in solitary confinement, denied exercise, denied reading material, denied private access to counsel, frequently denied a full night's sleep, repeatedly interrogated for hours on end; as any one who's read even lightly on the NKVD and the GUlags can tell you, this stuff was all standard treatment in the USSR for political prisoners. They called it "the Conveyor Belt", and its primary purpose was to get you to provide false confessions that incriminated not only yourself, but some third-party the Bolsheviks wanted to jail/kill as well.


As to the argument that he committed treason, which people like you keep hawking even though it isn't charged, that's tenuous at best. To make that argument you've got to prove 1) that he made public the files in question, 2)that those files provided material support to enemies of the United States, which means you have to show a direct link between the information in the releases and the actions of hostile military forces, and 3)that doing so was his intention all along. After proving all of that, you've got to provide two witnesses to the act as stipulated by the Constitution.
 
2012-07-30 09:01:37 AM

Vaneshi: The_Time_Master:
And what do you feel about the journalists and Deep Throat who caused the Watergate scandal to be brought to light? Did they commit high treason by exposing the crimes of the government?

Maybe. That is, as always, for the courts to decide. The wrong thing for the right reason is still the wrong thing and must be treated as such; perhaps "for the public good" is a mitigating circumstance perhaps not... but that's for the courts to decide as well.


So you think it's a crime to reveal the government has committed a crime, and you presumably consider yourself to be a lawful-minded person? I'm curious; do you also consider war to be peace? That's some double-plus good double-think, Lou.
 
2012-07-30 09:27:34 AM

Heron: He was kept naked in solitary confinement, denied exercise, denied reading material, denied private access to counsel, frequently denied a full night's sleep, repeatedly interrogated for hours on end;


Not accusing you of lying or anything, but how do you know this account is accurate? What proof do you have? Honest question.
 
2012-07-30 09:29:03 AM
FTFA: "Americans pay taxes so that federal agencies can defend them," said a researcher who asked not to be named. "I see it as a hard sell asking a business entity to spend money for the common good."

This is why we can't have nice things.
 
2012-07-30 09:38:28 AM
Computer security thread? I used to use a site to look for files.

Said site was 'members only' (free membership, just invite). Seems to be hosed now, I assume for legal reasons. It's happened to them several times. It might have involved the word 'demon'.

Anyone point me to a replacement site that's just as good? Mostly audiobooks, or anime and tv shows.

/was just goofing around with the derpa subtle, sorry if anyone takes it seriously
 
2012-07-30 09:48:18 AM

Vaneshi: The_Time_Master:
And what do you feel about the journalists and Deep Throat who caused the Watergate scandal to be brought to light? Did they commit high treason by exposing the crimes of the government?

Maybe. That is, as always, for the courts to decide. The wrong thing for the right reason is still the wrong thing and must be treated as such; perhaps "for the public good" is a mitigating circumstance perhaps not... but that's for the courts to decide as well.


Or how about the executive branch official who leaked classified information regarding the US involvement in creating Stuxnet to the NY Times, which the DoJ refuses to investigate, much less prosecute?
 
2012-07-30 09:49:12 AM

The_Time_Master: Did they commit high treason by exposing the crimes of the government?


Quite possibly. Did they swear oaths of fealty to give their lives in obedient service to this country? Or did they just find some dirt and out it as they, as the press, are free to do?

The thing is, I don't think we go around hanging people willy nilly. We should realize simply that freedom means you can break the rules, but not with impunity. Some people get a pardon. Some people get off. Others get tortured softly for months for secretive political reasons.

When you roll the dice, be aware they land where they land. If you can do more good breaking the law than following it, then you probably should break the law. But don't expect to get off scot free. If you do, bully for you. If you don't, well you should have realized this was a possibility.

That's why I support white knight hacktivists, but I don't engage in such behavior myself. My skill is not up to the level where I can't stream avi files to my PS3 on a hard wired connection, let alone access other people's networks without their help. The potential good I can do is nil. I do other things to help society.


Then on hangover days like today, I derp around on fark.
 
2012-07-30 09:55:13 AM

The_Time_Master: And what do you feel about the journalists and Deep Throat who caused the Watergate scandal to be brought to light? Did they commit high treason by exposing the crimes of the government?


There is a materiel difference between leaking specific documents that show specific wrong-doing within government and handing them to US journalists working on a story about that wrong-doing, and just copying every farking classified document you have access to without consideration as to what they show or what harm they may cause, and giving them to a foreign entity for publication.

In the first case, one can reasonably make the statement that Mark Felt was motivated by a sense of right and wrong. He limited his revelations to Woodward and Bernstein to those documents directly related to Watergate, despite having access to a bunch of classified programs. Sure, he may have felt slighted because he wasn't nominated to replace J. Edgar Hoover as FBI Director, but he didn't give them anything more than what they needed to investigate Watergate.

PFC Bradley Manning, on the other hand, copied stuff wholesale onto a thumb drive. Didn't matter to him what it was about, he was just looking for revenge. Half a million documents, indiscriminately copied and sent forth. Any good he might have potentially done by bringing to light bad conduct on the part of the US is wiped out by the legitimately classified stuff that he revealed that shouldn't have been revealed. In fact, I'm willing to bet that the latter far outweighs the former.
 
2012-07-30 09:59:19 AM

dittybopper: The_Time_Master: And what do you feel about the journalists and Deep Throat who caused the Watergate scandal to be brought to light? Did they commit high treason by exposing the crimes of the government?

There is a materiel difference between leaking specific documents that show specific wrong-doing within government and handing them to US journalists working on a story about that wrong-doing, and just copying every farking classified document you have access to without consideration as to what they show or what harm they may cause, and giving them to a foreign entity for publication.

In the first case, one can reasonably make the statement that Mark Felt was motivated by a sense of right and wrong. He limited his revelations to Woodward and Bernstein to those documents directly related to Watergate, despite having access to a bunch of classified programs. Sure, he may have felt slighted because he wasn't nominated to replace J. Edgar Hoover as FBI Director, but he didn't give them anything more than what they needed to investigate Watergate.

PFC Bradley Manning, on the other hand, copied stuff wholesale onto a thumb drive. Didn't matter to him what it was about, he was just looking for revenge. Half a million documents, indiscriminately copied and sent forth. Any good he might have potentially done by bringing to light bad conduct on the part of the US is wiped out by the legitimately classified stuff that he revealed that shouldn't have been revealed. In fact, I'm willing to bet that the latter far outweighs the former.


Im pretty keen on freedom of information, but what Manning did kind of crossed the line.

Information that doesnt get anyone killed is fair... but when you use that information and put thousands of American lives at risk?

Thats borderline treason.
 
2012-07-30 10:04:32 AM
Dynascape: Im pretty keen on freedom of information, but what Manning did kind of crossed the line.

Information that doesnt get anyone killed is fair... but when you use that information and put thousands of American lives at risk?

Thats borderline treason.


THANK YOU. What Manning did went far beyond being a whistleblower.
 
2012-07-30 10:04:49 AM

Dynascape: Im pretty keen on freedom of information, but what Manning did kind of crossed the line.

Information that doesnt get anyone killed is fair... but when you use that information and put thousands of American lives at risk?

Thats borderline treason.


Wasn't the whole point of Wikileaks that people could copy huge amounts of sensitive information, then pass it along to be reviewed, redacted, and released?

Granted, Manning would have been better off at least making some effort to sort through the information, but trusting someone else's promise to redact information that can get people killed is different from simply releasing that information to the public.
 
2012-07-30 10:12:01 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Vaneshi: If half of what they've allegedly done to that guy is true, he should get a full pardon

then they should go ahead and actually do the other half of the stuff to him. Seriously. Fark that guy. Death is too good for him. Thanks to that asshat, and the overreactions put in place to try to prevent future Bradley Mannings, my job (and the jobs of anyone who deals with classified info) is now incredibly more difficult, and the costs to the government much greater.


Good. If your job is to keep shiat secret from the people the government is supposedly accountable to, then your job should be as hard as farking possible.
 
2012-07-30 10:14:06 AM

kroonermanblack: Computer security thread? I used to use a site to look for files.

Said site was 'members only' (free membership, just invite). Seems to be hosed now, I assume for legal reasons. It's happened to them several times. It might have involved the word 'demon'.

Anyone point me to a replacement site that's just as good? Mostly audiobooks, or anime and tv shows.

/was just goofing around with the derpa subtle, sorry if anyone takes it seriously


If could be informed and show how to get into a site dedicated to ebooks, I'm sure I could reciprocate.
 
2012-07-30 10:17:36 AM

BronyMedic: Dynascape: Im pretty keen on freedom of information, but what Manning did kind of crossed the line.

Information that doesnt get anyone killed is fair... but when you use that information and put thousands of American lives at risk?

Thats borderline treason.

THANK YOU. What Manning did went far beyond being a whistleblower.


Comparing the wikileaks thing to Watergate is disingenuous at best.

Watergate just made the President look like a moron.

Wikileaks put thousands of American lives at risk, and sabotaged our foreign policy aims in a number of countries.

Its two completely different situations. Robert Hansen is doing life in Prison at Supermax Florence for passing along far less damaging information.

I mean..lets be realistic. We put guys who do 1/10th of the damage he did in ADX Florence.
 
2012-07-30 10:18:43 AM

kroonermanblack: Computer security thread? I used to use a site to look for files.

Said site was 'members only' (free membership, just invite). Seems to be hosed now, I assume for legal reasons. It's happened to them several times. It might have involved the word 'demon'.

Anyone point me to a replacement site that's just as good? Mostly audiobooks, or anime and tv shows.

/was just goofing around with the derpa subtle, sorry if anyone takes it seriously


If you're referring to Demonoid, they're still around, but their server gets hosed a lot.
 
2012-07-30 10:33:58 AM

HeartBurnKid: kroonermanblack: Computer security thread? I used to use a site to look for files.

Said site was 'members only' (free membership, just invite). Seems to be hosed now, I assume for legal reasons. It's happened to them several times. It might have involved the word 'demon'.

Anyone point me to a replacement site that's just as good? Mostly audiobooks, or anime and tv shows.

/was just goofing around with the derpa subtle, sorry if anyone takes it seriously

If you're referring to Demonoid, they're still around, but their server gets hosed a lot.


There is better than Demonoid.
 
2012-07-30 10:34:39 AM

Heron: So you think it's a crime to reveal the government has committed a crime, and you presumably consider yourself to be a lawful-minded person? I'm curious; do you also consider war to be peace? That's some double-plus good double-think, Lou.


If it's in your employment contract to not leak anything and you do you're at the very in breach of contract. Perhaps you did it to reveal a crime (i.e. a good thing) but you should still have to deal with being in breach of your contract. If, once your charged the judge throws it out because the good you did outweighs the bad then so be it. But the law should apply equally to all.

Why do you think some people should be above the law?
 
2012-07-30 10:35:48 AM
Love me some Hackers.

i2.listal.com

/Should I even bother opening the 'hacker' vs 'cracker' nomenclature can-of-worms?
//Nahhhhh.
 
2012-07-30 10:39:41 AM

b2theory: That would be the ultimate game of spot the fed.


He was a scheduled speaker and off limits from what I heard in a podcast.

Still.....


publicintelligence.net
 
2012-07-30 10:41:22 AM

kroonermanblack: Computer security thread? I used to use a site to look for files.

Said site was 'members only' (free membership, just invite). Seems to be hosed now, I assume for legal reasons. It's happened to them several times. It might have involved the word 'demon'.

Anyone point me to a replacement site that's just as good? Mostly audiobooks, or anime and tv shows.

/was just goofing around with the derpa subtle, sorry if anyone takes it seriously


4chan /b/ ask for loli, it's the plural of lol.
 
2012-07-30 11:15:57 AM
The funny thing is that if there ever was a group of people that would see through the NSA's bullshiat it would be the attendees of DEFCON.
 
2012-07-30 11:23:06 AM

ReaverZ: This is the statement that got me,

"Americans pay taxes so that federal agencies can defend them," said a researcher who asked not to be named. "I see it as a hard sell asking a business entity to spend money for the common good."

So f-u I got mine?


It's Cheetos-thinking, and it's sad.
 
2012-07-30 11:42:18 AM

IrateShadow: The funny thing is that if there ever was a group of people that would see through the NSA's bullshiat it would be the attendees of DEFCON.


Please. Defcon is firmly planted up the fed's arse. Been like that for years. Everyone just buys into Moss's marketing.

And trust me, the attendees at defcon/blackhat are not nearly so savvy as people would like to believe. My last year there I was tasked with recruiting. Ugh.
 
2012-07-30 11:54:56 AM
Meh, DEFCON has been for years an excuse for all the feds going to Blackhat getting another paid-for weekend in Vegas, and for those not able to budget Blackhat a con that's more within their departmental budget. Most of them are looking to be spotted so they get the free T-shirt.

Though I know it never could have stayed that way, it was kinda sad that the con had to eventually lose the bit of edge it had in the past.
 
2012-07-30 01:34:10 PM

zenobia: ReaverZ: This is the statement that got me,

"Americans pay taxes so that federal agencies can defend them," said a researcher who asked not to be named. "I see it as a hard sell asking a business entity to spend money for the common good."

So f-u I got mine?

It's Cheetos-thinking, and it's sad.


I can totally see this as a legitimate perspective for personal taxes. But business taxes are another story. Business's proportionately pay far less taxes than individuals. Infact the bigger the company the less taxes they pay proportionately. I see no issue with businesses doing their part for the common good. Software and technology companies in particular could do with a little bit of legally mandated enforcement of patching security defects. Right most tech companies still after more than a decade of security researchers notifying tech companies of flaws most of them are resistant to patch critical issues unless the hacker/researchers go public and shame the company.
 
2012-07-30 01:55:43 PM

ReaverZ: This is the statement that got me,

"Americans pay taxes so that federal agencies can defend them," said a researcher who asked not to be named. "I see it as a hard sell asking a business entity to spend money for the common good."

So f-u I got mine?


How do you get that. What would you say if the IRS came to your door and said, "Great, you paid your taxes in full. How about giving us some more money just to be nice?" I know that is a hard concept to grasp as liberals don't pay taxes of any sort, but imagine you did and that scenario happened. You would tell them to fark off.
 
2012-07-30 02:16:04 PM

Girion47: HeartBurnKid: kroonermanblack: Computer security thread? I used to use a site to look for files.

Said site was 'members only' (free membership, just invite). Seems to be hosed now, I assume for legal reasons. It's happened to them several times. It might have involved the word 'demon'.

Anyone point me to a replacement site that's just as good? Mostly audiobooks, or anime and tv shows.

/was just goofing around with the derpa subtle, sorry if anyone takes it seriously

If you're referring to Demonoid, they're still around, but their server gets hosed a lot.

There is better than Demonoid.


Gets me where I need to go? I just wanted to make the stupid joke post.

Sorry if double, phone network connection problems means last post said it posted but I don't see it.
 
2012-07-30 05:01:14 PM
Bradly Manning was a complete farkup who had no business being around ANYTHING of value. I'm just reading the Wikipedia summary and it's just a laundry list of gross incompetence, mental instability and insubordination. People who turn traitor are typically miserable pricks who feel slighted by superiors for their own faults. This isn't a noble whistleblower, it's just another dipshiat with a grudge.

Seriously, this asshat is a disgrace to the uniform and LGBT individuals serving in the military.
 
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