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2012-07-29 11:19:20 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Great Janitor: AverageAmericanGuy: Great Janitor: AverageAmericanGuy:

People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.

Then Aurora has taught you the wrong message.

One person goes mad in Aurora, shoots up a theater and booby trapped his apartment with bombs. Yeah, let's focus on that, and completely ignore the other thousands in Colorado who legally own guns and don't randomly shoot people. Live on a farm, need to protect yourself form wild and possibly dangerous animals? Can't trust you to use a firearm to do it because of one nut in Aurora. Live in a dangerous neighborhood and need a gun for defense? Don't worry, once guns are made illegal, the criminals probably won't break that law while breaking other laws, so don't worry. You're working for a security company, carrying large sums of money from businesses to armored cars to banks? Sorry, that's not law enforcement. You get to drive around with hundreds of thousands of dollars unarmed while others might shoot you to get at the money.

Maybe if you're living in danger of being mauled by wildlife, you're living too close to their habitats.

So, no more farming or ranching. I guess I better tell my dad that he needs to sell his farm and his shotguns.

With the ready availability of meat and produce at supermarkets, there's no reason for such old-fashioned and outdated professions.


Nice...!
 
2012-07-29 11:19:40 PM  

gopher321: Joelogon: Clear != Clean

/reading is fundamental

I'm sure the distinction is lost ON THE F'ING CHILD WHO WAS SHOT.

/not subby


It actually makes a difference. Sure, a kid's shot either way, but cleaning a gun usually means either disassembled or at least with the action open - certainly not with a round in the chamber. You hear someone say they were "cleaning" their gun when it went off, and you are hearing bullshiat.

As has been pointed out upthread, "clearing" means removing a round from the chamber. It still takes a complete ultra-maroon to fire the round he's trying to clear, but at least it's a somewhat more plausible excuse.

Although I still don't believe this story, and I suspect the jury won't either.
 
2012-07-29 11:22:13 PM  
He was cleaning the gun. He was just using the special new cleaning bullet that you fire in order to clean the barrel quickly.
 
2012-07-29 11:23:07 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I was just driving up I5 and there was apparently a shooting on I5 South near Boeing Field. The guy who was hit had his SUV riddled with bullets, and he luckily survived with only a slug in the shoulder. Another vehicle was hit and flipped over several times. The occupants of that were lucky to have survived as well.

Traffic was backed up from Boeing Field to central Seattle.

People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.


Do you ever have anything constructive to say, or is your job to just come into every thread and be as big a dick as possible, no matter whether that dickishness is left wing or right wing. Because if you don't feel like being useful, maybe you can find something else to do with your time.
 
2012-07-29 11:25:35 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: With the ready availability of meat and produce at supermarkets, there's no reason for such old-fashioned and outdated professions.


*SNERK*

And Great Janitor - I think you missed it. Without farmers/rangers, how long would said meat and produce be 'readily available'?

AverageAmericanGuy: People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.


Personally, if Aurora has taught me anything; it's the same lesson that was taught at Columbine, Winnenden, and Virginia Tech. We need to fix our mental health system. There are already laws in place to prohibit firearms in the hands of the mentally disturbed. With proper treatment, most of these people would have been fine with guns in hand. With proper diagnosis, we should have been able to keep them away from guns until they were properly treated.
 
2012-07-29 11:26:21 PM  
I never understood how his happens. In 27 years of gun ownership I've never had this happen. You always check to clear it first.
 
2012-07-29 11:26:55 PM  
Clearing the gun? Is that what they call waving it around like a dumbass trying to impress 12 year olds (Look out, we got a badass here!) and letting one fly because he thought it was unloaded nowadays?
 
2012-07-29 11:28:41 PM  

fuhfuhfuh: He was cleaning the gun. He was just using the special new cleaning bullet that you fire in order to clean the barrel quickly.


I wish. I'd buy those.
 
2012-07-29 11:29:37 PM  

nytmare: AverageAmericanGuy: I was just driving up I5 and there was apparently a shooting on I5 South near Boeing Field. The guy who was hit had his SUV riddled with bullets, and he luckily survived with only a slug in the shoulder. Another vehicle was hit and flipped over several times. The occupants of that were lucky to have survived as well.

Traffic was backed up from Boeing Field to central Seattle.

People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.

Do you ever have anything constructive to say, or is your job to just come into every thread and be as big a dick as possible, no matter whether that dickishness is left wing or right wing. Because if you don't feel like being useful, maybe you can find something else to do with your time.


I understand that opining on the internet is the epitome of unproductiveness, but if my arguments can save even one child's life, it's worth it to me. There are 13 dead (counting the miscarried baby) and untold numbers of victims in the Aurora, CO shooting incident. If you don't care about those people, you ought to let those that care terribly speak our minds.
 
2012-07-29 11:29:58 PM  

nytmare: AverageAmericanGuy: I was just driving up I5 and there was apparently a shooting on I5 South near Boeing Field. The guy who was hit had his SUV riddled with bullets, and he luckily survived with only a slug in the shoulder. Another vehicle was hit and flipped over several times. The occupants of that were lucky to have survived as well.

Traffic was backed up from Boeing Field to central Seattle.

People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.

Do you ever have anything constructive to say, or is your job to just come into every thread and be as big a dick as possible, no matter whether that dickishness is left wing or right wing. Because if you don't feel like being useful, maybe you can find something else to do with your time.


So much this!!!!!
And is a person from aurora I would just like to state guns are awesome!!!!
 
2012-07-29 11:35:03 PM  
Did anyone say yet that it's unfair and skewed that Arizona doesn't have its own tag?
 
2012-07-29 11:35:31 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I was just driving up I5 and there was apparently a shooting on I5 South near Boeing Field. The guy who was hit had his SUV riddled with bullets, and he luckily survived with only a slug in the shoulder. Another vehicle was hit and flipped over several times. The occupants of that were lucky to have survived as well.

Traffic was backed up from Boeing Field to central Seattle.

People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.


Let's assume for a moment that you're right. If you're suggesting that we eliminate all privately-owned firearms in the entirety of the United States, do you have any idea what that would entail? We have literally hundreds of millions of firearms in the United States. Let's say that we overturned the 2nd Amendment and banned all private ownership of all firearms everywhere in the country. Do you honestly think that we'd get to zero privately owned firearms ever?

The only way you could get rid of all firearms would be to create a police state and kick in every house, search every person and every room, restrict every citizen's travel substantially and even then, if you're 99.9% effective in finding firearms, you'll miss hundreds of thousands and likely have a negligible effect on crime.
 
2012-07-29 11:35:46 PM  

Firethorn: Personally, if Aurora has taught me anything; it's the same lesson that was taught at Columbine, Winnenden, and Virginia Tech. We need to fix our mental health system.


Thisity this this.
 
2012-07-29 11:36:17 PM  

nytmare: AverageAmericanGuy: I was just driving up I5 and there was apparently a shooting on I5 South near Boeing Field. The guy who was hit had his SUV riddled with bullets, and he luckily survived with only a slug in the shoulder. Another vehicle was hit and flipped over several times. The occupants of that were lucky to have survived as well.

Traffic was backed up from Boeing Field to central Seattle.

People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.

Do you ever have anything constructive to say, or is your job to just come into every thread and be as big a dick as possible, no matter whether that dickishness is left wing or right wing. Because if you don't feel like being useful, maybe you can find something else to do with your time.


Um, no, trying to win the dickish prize is still AverageAmericanGuy's job.
 
2012-07-29 11:36:47 PM  
Given that most guns purchased for self defense end up shooting people who did not need defending against, I would say that this is pretty much what a gun is supposed to be used for. The NRA must be cheering the gun owner who successfully used a weapon on that viscous 12yo perp. I am sure that the NRA would enthusiastically defend that gun owners right to purchase yet another gun to use on another 12 year old.

Remember the second amendment states that anyone who can pull a trigger, should absolutely be required to own a gun.
 
2012-07-29 11:37:04 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I understand that opining on the internet is the epitome of unproductiveness, but if my arguments can save even one child's life, it's worth it to me. There are 13 dead (counting the miscarried baby) and untold numbers of victims in the Aurora, CO shooting incident. If you don't care about those people, you ought to let those that care terribly speak our minds.


How about those who don't care about the people and support the shooter? We have the right to speak out too.

If they didn't want to get shot, they should have stayed out of the theater. Ever been to South Central? Movies are for shootin'.
 
2012-07-29 11:40:55 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Tawnos: AverageAmericanGuy:
Maybe if you're living in danger of being mauled by wildlife, you're living too close to their habitats.

So you're moving out of Sammamish/Issaquah, right? We have bears and coyotes and cougars and cougars.

I'm safe in my car. Plus, the deer are nice.


Either this was an amazingly funny post or you are insanely uninformed.

You do know that deer kill WAY more Americans each year than all other animals combined, right? Nearly always as a result of a car-deer accident...
 
2012-07-29 11:43:24 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: nytmare: AverageAmericanGuy: I was just driving up I5 and there was apparently a shooting on I5 South near Boeing Field. The guy who was hit had his SUV riddled with bullets, and he luckily survived with only a slug in the shoulder. Another vehicle was hit and flipped over several times. The occupants of that were lucky to have survived as well.

Traffic was backed up from Boeing Field to central Seattle.

People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.

Do you ever have anything constructive to say, or is your job to just come into every thread and be as big a dick as possible, no matter whether that dickishness is left wing or right wing. Because if you don't feel like being useful, maybe you can find something else to do with your time.

I understand that opining on the internet is the epitome of unproductiveness, but if my arguments can save even one child's life, it's worth it to me. There are 13 dead (counting the miscarried baby) and untold numbers of victims in the Aurora, CO shooting incident. If you don't care about those people, you ought to let those that care terribly speak our minds.


Okay, that convinces me you're joking. No one is stupid enough to believe that arguing on the Internet will ever save "even one child's life".
 
2012-07-29 11:45:21 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: nytmare: AverageAmericanGuy: I was just driving up I5 and there was apparently a shooting on I5 South near Boeing Field. The guy who was hit had his SUV riddled with bullets, and he luckily survived with only a slug in the shoulder. Another vehicle was hit and flipped over several times. The occupants of that were lucky to have survived as well.

Traffic was backed up from Boeing Field to central Seattle.

People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.

Do you ever have anything constructive to say, or is your job to just come into every thread and be as big a dick as possible, no matter whether that dickishness is left wing or right wing. Because if you don't feel like being useful, maybe you can find something else to do with your time.

I understand that opining on the internet is the epitome of unproductiveness, but if my arguments can save even one child's life, it's worth it to me. There are 13 dead (counting the miscarried baby) and untold numbers of victims in the Aurora, CO shooting incident. If you don't care about those people, you ought to let those that care terribly speak our minds.


You don't care about those people. You are using this as an excuse to get onto your soapbox and demonize something you do not like, personally owned fire arms. You're so blinded by your own ignorance that you see them only as a weapon to take lives, not as any form of tool, like hunting or protection. Saying that no one but law enforcement and the military should carry guns and then say that anyone who disagrees with you doesn't care about the victims of a shooting caused by a man of pure evil doesn't make you look like the caring man you claim to be, but a dick and your words are nothing more than "fark you" to the victims of the Colorado shooting. "Fark you."
 
2012-07-29 11:46:49 PM  

fusillade762: Seriously. Who RUNS AWAY when their child is injured?? Guessing dad is on probation or has an outstanding warrant for something.


Panic makes people act irrationally. It's called the fight-or-flight instinct for a reason.

The reason for (combat|emergency) training and the repetitive drilling that entails is to replace your irrational reflexive action to a crisis with a pre-planned reflexive action.

In a severe crisis your higher brain functions literally shut down. You act entirely on instinct, either the ones you were born with (which aren't so helpful unless you're being stalked by a tiger) or the ones you've deliberately re-programmed your brain with.
 
2012-07-29 11:50:43 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I was just driving up I5 and there was apparently a shooting on I5 South near Boeing Field. The guy who was hit had his SUV riddled with bullets, and he luckily survived with only a slug in the shoulder. Another vehicle was hit and flipped over several times. The occupants of that were lucky to have survived as well.

Traffic was backed up from Boeing Field to central Seattle.

People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.


and you know the shooters weren't police or military how?

and using Aurora to validate your prejudices is lame.
 
2012-07-29 11:52:23 PM  

Tawnos: If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that people who want to push an agenda will latch onto any event regardless of its actual relevance.


If AverageAmericanGuy has taught us anything, it's that he is a troll of first order and belongs on everyone's block list.

Stop feeding the trolls.
 
2012-07-29 11:53:01 PM  

fuhfuhfuh: He was cleaning the gun. He was just using the special new cleaning bullet that you fire in order to clean the barrel quickly.


It's a fluffy, fuzzy bullet that feels like a hug when it hits you.
 
2012-07-29 11:59:29 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I was just driving up I5 and there was apparently a shooting on I5 South near Boeing Field. The guy who was hit had his SUV riddled with bullets, and he luckily survived with only a slug in the shoulder. Another vehicle was hit and flipped over several times. The occupants of that were lucky to have survived as well.

Traffic was backed up from Boeing Field to central Seattle.

People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.


And what do the military-psycho-killings teach us? Or the times when police run amok?
 
2012-07-29 11:59:47 PM  

Deathfrogg: An awful lot of people out there use their guns to threaten their own kids for misbehavior.


I hope you aren't thinking about restricting my Constitutional right to threaten my child with a handgun.
 
2012-07-30 12:04:48 AM  
Let us read from the Gospel according to Saint Cooper, verses one through four:

1: All guns are always loaded. Even if they are not, treat them as if they are.
2: Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy. (For those who insist that this particular gun is unloaded, see Rule 1.)
3: Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target. This is the Golden Rule. Its violation is directly responsible for about 60 percent of inadvertent discharges.
4: Identify your target, and what is behind it. Never shoot at anything that you have not positively identified.

Amen.
 
2012-07-30 12:06:46 AM  
Wow, AverageAmericanGuy is sure hooking them tonight.
 
2012-07-30 12:10:11 AM  

Ed Finnerty: FTFA: At some point during the party, the father reportedly shot his child while attempting to clear his gun.

Well, now he knows it's clear. What's the problem?

Oh right, the kid.


Damn you, I hate myself for laughing at that.
 
2012-07-30 12:13:25 AM  

JWideman: Wow, AverageAmericanGuy is sure hooking them tonight.


I tried to warn them.
 
2012-07-30 12:25:26 AM  
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HEY MAN! YOU'RE DOIN' IT WRONG!
 
2012-07-30 12:30:17 AM  

rosebud_the_sled: The NRA must be cheering the gun owner who successfully used a weapon on that viscous 12yo perp.

cfile23.uf.tistory.com

Dude?
 
2012-07-30 12:35:58 AM  

clyph: fusillade762: Seriously. Who RUNS AWAY when their child is injured?? Guessing dad is on probation or has an outstanding warrant for something.

Panic makes people act irrationally. It's called the fight-or-flight instinct for a reason.

The reason for (combat|emergency) training and the repetitive drilling that entails is to replace your irrational reflexive action to a crisis with a pre-planned reflexive action.

In a severe crisis your higher brain functions literally shut down. You act entirely on instinct, either the ones you were born with (which aren't so helpful unless you're being stalked by a tiger) or the ones you've deliberately re-programmed your brain with.


If that were true then people would tend to run away after every shooting, which clearly doesn't happen in most cases.
 
2012-07-30 12:37:30 AM  
I must admire the utter optimism of the gun-nutter community: These guys have gone to school, driven in traffic, and yet implicitly stipulate that the average fellow is competent and invariably even-tempered.

//The stats
//look at them!
 
2012-07-30 12:49:16 AM  

fusillade762: If that were true then people would tend to run away after every shooting, which clearly doesn't happen in most cases.


Did you miss the "or" in fight OR flight?

OK, I'll admit that it's not the best description of the instinct but that's what it's called. If you want to be more accurate, you could call it "do the first thing that pops in to your head regardless of how stupid it is" instinct, but that doesn't sound as good as "fight or flight".

The idea of training is to ensure that the first thing to pop into your head is something that's effective versus something completely random.
 
2012-07-30 12:50:59 AM  

Great Janitor: AverageAmericanGuy:

People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.

Then Aurora has taught you the wrong message.

One person goes mad in Aurora, shoots up a theater and booby trapped his apartment with bombs. Yeah, let's focus on that, and completely ignore the other thousands in Colorado who legally own guns and don't randomly shoot people. Live on a farm, need to protect yourself form wild and possibly dangerous animals? Can't trust you to use a firearm to do it because of one nut in Aurora. Live in a dangerous neighborhood and need a gun for defense? Don't worry, once guns are made illegal, the criminals probably won't break that law while breaking other laws, so don't worry. You're working for a security company, carrying large sums of money from businesses to armored cars to banks? Sorry, that's not law enforcement. You get to drive around with hundreds of thousands of dollars unarmed while others might shoot you to get at the money.


Ha ha; hook, line, and sinker, this "guy" just reeled you in. I have only a couple farkers on ignore, but there's a reason AAG is at the top of my list. Unfortunately, when other's posts quote him, I can still see his handiwork.
 
2012-07-30 01:00:42 AM  

signaljammer: //The stats
//look at them!



The stats say swimming pools and bicycles each kill more children than guns each year.

WE CANNOT LET THIS STAND! NO MORE CHILDREN'S BICYCLES! NO MORE SWIMMING POOLS! FOR THE CHILDREN!
 
2012-07-30 01:01:20 AM  

clyph: Let us read from the Gospel according to Saint Cooper, verses one through four:

1: All guns are always loaded. Even if they are not, treat them as if they are.
2: Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy. (For those who insist that this particular gun is unloaded, see Rule 1.)
3: Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target. This is the Golden Rule. Its violation is directly responsible for about 60 percent of inadvertent discharges.
4: Identify your target, and what is behind it. Never shoot at anything that you have not positively identified.

Amen.


For a very long time, my six-year-old insisted that part of Rule 4 was "Don't shoot at trees."
 
2012-07-30 01:14:41 AM  
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2012-07-30 02:37:37 AM  

the_chief: Nobody likes a dirty gun.


This is the way we wash our gun, wash our gun, wash our gun...
static.diary.ru
 
2012-07-30 02:48:54 AM  

Tawnos: AverageAmericanGuy:
People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.

I always want to just biatch slap idiots who say that line, but for whatever reason I'm curious what your logic is. What sets those people apart in their ability to own guns. What happens after they're done with their careers in military or law enforcement? Why do the people who I know carry and aren't cops shoot better than most cops I've seen at the range?

If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that people who want to push an agenda will latch onto any event regardless of its actual relevance.


Well, a couple things set them apart. 1) recurring, mandatory training with proficiency requirements. 2) regulation and lots of it.
 
2012-07-30 02:55:50 AM  

Atypical Person Reading Fark: Did anyone say yet that it's unfair and skewed that Arizona doesn't have its own tag?


I'm glad this has been covered.
 
2012-07-30 05:29:57 AM  
Don't Feed the trolls. Seriously how do you NOT know that.
 
2012-07-30 05:37:15 AM  

meanmutton: AverageAmericanGuy: I was just driving up I5 and there was apparently a shooting on I5 South near Boeing Field. The guy who was hit had his SUV riddled with bullets, and he luckily survived with only a slug in the shoulder. Another vehicle was hit and flipped over several times. The occupants of that were lucky to have survived as well.

Traffic was backed up from Boeing Field to central Seattle.

People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.

Let's assume for a moment that you're right. If you're suggesting that we eliminate all privately-owned firearms in the entirety of the United States, do you have any idea what that would entail? We have literally hundreds of millions of firearms in the United States. Let's say that we overturned the 2nd Amendment and banned all private ownership of all firearms everywhere in the country. Do you honestly think that we'd get to zero privately owned firearms ever?

The only way you could get rid of all firearms would be to create a police state and kick in every house, search every person and every room, restrict every citizen's travel substantially and even then, if you're 99.9% effective in finding firearms, you'll miss hundreds of thousands and likely have a negligible effect on crime.


I get all that, and think you're totally correct, as far as practicalities go.

But I can't help wondering if the price we pay for private gun ownership is worth it.
 
2012-07-30 05:53:27 AM  

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: I never understood how his happens. In 27 years of gun ownership I've never had this happen. You always check to clear it first.


Well when it comes to guns the biggest safety is the one between your ears. Some people, and they come in every colour and creed, are perfectly capable of responsibly owning firearms and can safely clean them, clear them, store them, keep them away from children etc. Some people I wouidn't trust with a piece of string.... Wasn't it a month or so ago that some dumbass shot his friend at a shooting range they snuck on because he was clearing his modified gun?

A little over 20 years ago I was in a Hunters Safety class waiting for it to begin. The class clown comes in with about 2 minutes to spare, picks up an (empty, partially disassembled) rifle off one of the desks and starts waving it around making pow pow pow noises and pointing it at people. Instructor takes it away and literally throws him out of the class.

Some people just can't handle firearms.
 
2012-07-30 06:30:09 AM  

AgentKGB: A little over 20 years ago I was in a Hunters Safety class waiting for it to begin. The class clown comes in with about 2 minutes to spare, picks up an (empty, partially disassembled) rifle off one of the desks and starts waving it around making pow pow pow noises and pointing it at people. Instructor takes it away and literally throws him out of the class.

Some people just can't handle firearms.


Gah, yes. Still, that's what hunter's safety is theoretically for. While I doubt it'd work on that clown, you have training because otherwise people would make mistakes. You have to assume that untrained people won't be smart enough to not point a gun at people.

Personally, I'd like to point out the following:
1. In the USA, there is no training required to purchase a gun
2. Hunter's safety and concealed carry both carry both tend to cover safety; from different angles
2a. Less than 50% of gun owners hunt(hunter's safety card not required)
2b. Less than 10% obtain a concealed carry permit(not necessary for defense of home/business in most areas).
3. Fewer people than ever are entering the military(and getting the free gun training, that includes safety).
4. The possibility exists that somebody will find a gun not their own; Eddie Eagle, the NRA mascot teaches kids to 'NOT TOUCH, get an adult!', But I think that adults need to know how to handle one safely.
5. Police officers receive safety training, but often don't listen to it. There's less recurring training than you might think. Police have left their weapons in plane bathrooms, airport bathrooms, on the trunk of their car, at the counter. Have shot holes in bathrooms, innocent people, other cops, etc...

There's lots of pressure in schools today for teaching effectively, but I can't help but think that a 'safety class' might not be good - teach them safety. Teach gun safety along with Safe Sex, Safe Driving, a bit of health ed, how to detect/handle natural gas leaks, use camping and grill size propane tanks safely, avoiding carbon monoxide poisoning(don't run IC engines/appliances that burn things inside, other than properly vented gas stoves/ovens!), avoid electricution, etc...



Rueened: But I can't help wondering if the price we pay for private gun ownership is worth it.


I think so, but I don't think that the price we pay for the War on Drugs is anywhere near worth it. End it, put the resources into treatment, education, catching real crime. I'd predict crime dropping to 1/3rd of current levels within a decade. Stop using prisons as warehouses and actually put resources into reform, and you'd be down to 1/4 to 1/5th.

We have a lot of problems, and guns only exasperate some of them.
 
2012-07-30 08:03:42 AM  
I hope the NRA provides a lawyer for this freedom loving militia man that is really just a hero in the making.
 
2012-07-30 08:12:53 AM  
encrypted-tbn2.google.com

On a serious note, stupid people are going to be stupid. There's no test or background check for it. There should be. I never clean or clear my weapons when the kids or grand-kids are around. I don't wave them around the house, I take them to the range for practice. My home defense weapon is in a locked safe next on my bed stand. All other weapons and ammo are locked up in another safe. Both my wife and I took a safety/concealed carry class before purchasing our weapons. I am constantly amazed by the sheer stupidity of some gun owners, but don't think banning all guns is the answer. We need a stupidity test.
 
2012-07-30 08:45:47 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I was just driving up I5 and there was apparently a shooting on I5 South near Boeing Field. The guy who was hit had his SUV riddled with bullets, and he luckily survived with only a slug in the shoulder. Another vehicle was hit and flipped over several times. The occupants of that were lucky to have survived as well.

Traffic was backed up from Boeing Field to central Seattle.

People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.


And if everyone else in the Aurora theater had been armed when said asshat came in firing?

Oh, but that shooting would not have made the 6 O'clock news.....
 
2012-07-30 09:04:32 AM  
PanicMan

>>> My mom was a psychologist who did a lot of work with the local CPS. She told me once
>>> that a large number of these "gun cleaning/clearing accidents" are not accidents at all,
>>> but the adult losing their temper and deliberately shooting the kid, or "accidentally"
>>> pulling the trigger when using the weapon as a threat. An awful lot of people out there
>>> use their guns to threaten their own kids for misbehavior. Sometimes they take that to
>>> the extreme.

Well that's only the worst thing I've ever heard in the history of forever.


And since you heard it on FARK, you can be sure it's true.
 
2012-07-30 09:13:57 AM  

doglover: gopher321: I'm sure the distinction is lost ON THE F'ING CHILD WHO WAS SHOT.

Actually I'm pretty sure that kid has a good grasp of the distinction.

Cleaning happens on unloaded or disassembled guns.

Clearing is removing all the ammunition.

Since a child was injured, it's obviously that the father in the story was seriously mistaken on the proper way to clear a handgun.


More importantly: If he was 'clearing' it then he must have been shooting it. At a children's party.

I don't know what sort of children's parties they have in the USA. When I was a kid we only had sausage rolls and jello.
 
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