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Joelogon		2012-07-29 08:27:53 PM

Clear != Clean

/reading is fundamental

gopher321		2012-07-29 08:42:19 PM

Joelogon: Clear != Clean

/reading is fundamental

I'm sure the distinction is lost ON THE F'ING CHILD WHO WAS SHOT.

/not subby

AbbeySomeone		2012-07-29 08:46:43 PM

TFA says it happened early Sunday morning. How early 3AM or 10AM? This may make a difference.

Ed Finnerty		2012-07-29 08:49:04 PM

FTFA: At some point during the party, the father reportedly shot his child while attempting to clear his gun.

Well, now he knows it's clear. What's the problem?

Oh right, the kid.

Joelogon		2012-07-29 08:54:49 PM

gopher321:

I'm sure the distinction is lost ON THE F'ING CHILD WHO WAS SHOT.

/not subby

Ah, yes, won't someone please think of the children

/Earlier? Than what?

MaudlinMutantMollusk		2012-07-29 09:01:40 PM

There's fail all over this submission

/well, except for the greenlight...

doglover		2012-07-29 09:15:29 PM

gopher321: I'm sure the distinction is lost ON THE F'ING CHILD WHO WAS SHOT.

Actually I'm pretty sure that kid has a good grasp of the distinction.

Cleaning happens on unloaded or disassembled guns.

Clearing is removing all the ammunition.

Since a child was injured, it's obviously that the father in the story was seriously mistaken on the proper way to clear a handgun.

jbc		2012-07-29 09:20:34 PM

doglover: gopher321: I'm sure the distinction is lost ON THE F'ING CHILD WHO WAS SHOT.

Actually I'm pretty sure that kid has a good grasp of the distinction.

Cleaning happens on unloaded or disassembled guns.

Clearing is removing all the ammunition.

Since a child was injured, it's obviously that the father in the story was seriously mistaken on the proper way to clear a handgun.

Possibly. It really depends on the child and the shooter's need for an alibi.

Sgt Otter		2012-07-29 09:33:29 PM

gopher321: Joelogon: Clear != Clean

/reading is fundamental

I'm sure the distinction is lost ON THE F'ING CHILD WHO WAS SHOT.

/not subby

Clearing a weapon is unloading it, or at the least, removing a live round from the chamber. If he kept it loaded and ready to rock for home defense, he may have actually been trying to be responsible by unloading it with children around, but his plan backfired horribly.

Elmo Jones		2012-07-29 09:38:20 PM

Sgt Otter:

Clearing a weapon is unloading it, or at the least, removing a live round from the chamber. If he kept it loaded and ready to rock for home defense, he may have actually been trying to be responsible by unloading it with children around, but his plan backfired horribly.

I see what you did there.

doglover		2012-07-29 09:41:08 PM

jbc: Possibly. It really depends on the child and the shooter's need for an alibi.

True. People who accidentally shoot their own son don't do much of anything but cry, let alone realize when the police show up.

PacManDreaming		2012-07-29 09:44:32 PM

FTA: "The father fled the scene prior to police arriving and has yet to be located."

Sounds like a "Father of the Year" candidate.

vudukungfu		2012-07-29 10:17:14 PM

PacManDreaming: FTA: "The father fled the scene prior to police arriving and has yet to be located."

Sounds like a "Father of the Year" candidate.

that's a bingo

fusillade762		2012-07-29 10:17:50 PM

PacManDreaming: FTA: "The father fled the scene prior to police arriving and has yet to be located."

Sounds like a "Father of the Year" candidate.

Seriously. Who RUNS AWAY when their child is injured?? Guessing dad is on probation or has an outstanding warrant for something.

AverageAmericanGuy		2012-07-29 10:22:08 PM

I was just driving up I5 and there was apparently a shooting on I5 South near Boeing Field. The guy who was hit had his SUV riddled with bullets, and he luckily survived with only a slug in the shoulder. Another vehicle was hit and flipped over several times. The occupants of that were lucky to have survived as well.

Traffic was backed up from Boeing Field to central Seattle.

People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.

Deathfrogg		2012-07-29 10:24:37 PM

fusillade762: PacManDreaming: FTA: "The father fled the scene prior to police arriving and has yet to be located."

Sounds like a "Father of the Year" candidate.

Seriously. Who RUNS AWAY when their child is injured?? Guessing dad is on probation or has an outstanding warrant for something.

My mom was a psychologist who did a lot of work with the local CPS. She told me once that a large number of these "gun cleaning/clearing accidents" are not accidents at all, but the adult losing their temper and deliberately shooting the kid, or "accidentally" pulling the trigger when using the weapon as a threat. An awful lot of people out there use their guns to threaten their own kids for misbehavior. Sometimes they take that to the extreme.

Coelacanth		2012-07-29 10:25:39 PM

If he ran away, it wasn't an accident.

muck4doo		2012-07-29 10:27:12 PM

That's it! Take the guns from everyone! Now! Only the government can be trusted with them.

KStDrew		2012-07-29 10:27:25 PM

Pfft! Amateur! He should've cleaned the pipes!

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muck4doo		2012-07-29 10:29:28 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.

Law enforcement and military are the only people responsible enough for whargarble.

painless42		2012-07-29 10:34:42 PM

Deathfrogg: fusillade762: PacManDreaming: FTA: "The father fled the scene prior to police arriving and has yet to be located."

Sounds like a "Father of the Year" candidate.

Seriously. Who RUNS AWAY when their child is injured?? Guessing dad is on probation or has an outstanding warrant for something.

My mom was a psychologist who did a lot of work with the local CPS. She told me once that a large number of these "gun cleaning/clearing accidents" are not accidents at all, but the adult losing their temper and deliberately shooting the kid, or "accidentally" pulling the trigger when using the weapon as a threat. An awful lot of people out there use their guns to threaten their own kids for misbehavior. Sometimes they take that to the extreme.

THIS! x 1000

Same thing with alot of the self-inflicted gunshot wounds while "cleaning" the gun. Guy decides he doesn't want to live anymore, wants to spare the family the pain of suicide and/or make sure they can collect on the life insurance. Lays out his cleaning kit and then offs himself. Anyone who knows the first thing about basic firearm safety can clear or clean a weapon without it discharging.

MorePeasPlease		2012-07-29 10:35:03 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.

Aurora Snow?

AkaDad		2012-07-29 10:40:36 PM

Kids rarely talk back to their parents when they're cleaning a gun.

"I suggest you clean your room."
"Right away dad!"

Ashtrey		2012-07-29 10:41:43 PM

Deathfrogg: fusillade762: PacManDreaming: FTA: "The father fled the scene prior to police arriving and has yet to be located."

Sounds like a "Father of the Year" candidate.

Seriously. Who RUNS AWAY when their child is injured?? Guessing dad is on probation or has an outstanding warrant for something.

My mom was a psychologist who did a lot of work with the local CPS. She told me once that a large number of these "gun cleaning/clearing accidents" are not accidents at all, but the adult losing their temper and deliberately shooting the kid, or "accidentally" pulling the trigger when using the weapon as a threat. An awful lot of people out there use their guns to threaten their own kids for misbehavior. Sometimes they take that to the extreme.

Seriously? When I was a kid the guns were just part of the wall. They never moved (nor were dusrlty come to think of it) until my grandfather taught me to shoot. Never was anything more than picking a switch or the occasional paint stirrer even mentioned or used.

If you need a gun to threaten your child... well beyond completely failing as a parent you never should have had them in the first place.

Unless the kid sprouts horns or was born with a tail, then it was probably justified.

avratt		2012-07-29 10:42:07 PM

I think Arid-Zona has more than qualified for it's own label by now. They almost make Tex-Ass look normal (almost)

numbone		2012-07-29 10:42:49 PM

I have a fourteen year old daughter. Depending on who was at the party I might understand the gun cleaning, just not while loaded.

namatad		2012-07-29 10:45:12 PM

The father fled the scene prior to police arriving and has yet to be located.

LOL

Pete_T_Mann		2012-07-29 10:46:20 PM

MorePeasPlease: AverageAmericanGuy: People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.

Aurora Snow?

Aurora Snow help me exercise my hands so I could shoot my guns straighter. If Aurora taught us anything, its the importance of a good grip.

PanicMan		2012-07-29 10:46:25 PM

Deathfrogg: fusillade762: PacManDreaming: FTA: "The father fled the scene prior to police arriving and has yet to be located."

Sounds like a "Father of the Year" candidate.

Seriously. Who RUNS AWAY when their child is injured?? Guessing dad is on probation or has an outstanding warrant for something.

My mom was a psychologist who did a lot of work with the local CPS. She told me once that a large number of these "gun cleaning/clearing accidents" are not accidents at all, but the adult losing their temper and deliberately shooting the kid, or "accidentally" pulling the trigger when using the weapon as a threat. An awful lot of people out there use their guns to threaten their own kids for misbehavior. Sometimes they take that to the extreme.

Well that's only the worst thing I've ever heard in the history of forever. We don't need to license guns, we need to license people.

FerroMancer		2012-07-29 10:47:06 PM

Subby: "Because it only makes sense to clean your gun at a party earlier in the morning with children running around"

*Blink* Why? When do you clean yours?

Great Janitor		2012-07-29 10:48:03 PM

AverageAmericanGuy:

People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.

Then Aurora has taught you the wrong message.

One person goes mad in Aurora, shoots up a theater and booby trapped his apartment with bombs. Yeah, let's focus on that, and completely ignore the other thousands in Colorado who legally own guns and don't randomly shoot people. Live on a farm, need to protect yourself form wild and possibly dangerous animals? Can't trust you to use a firearm to do it because of one nut in Aurora. Live in a dangerous neighborhood and need a gun for defense? Don't worry, once guns are made illegal, the criminals probably won't break that law while breaking other laws, so don't worry. You're working for a security company, carrying large sums of money from businesses to armored cars to banks? Sorry, that's not law enforcement. You get to drive around with hundreds of thousands of dollars unarmed while others might shoot you to get at the money.

ZombiesYall		2012-07-29 10:49:35 PM

I thought everyone knew that people who said they were cleaning the gun when it went off actually shot the person on purpose.

AverageAmericanGuy		2012-07-29 10:50:49 PM

Great Janitor: AverageAmericanGuy:

People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.

Then Aurora has taught you the wrong message.

One person goes mad in Aurora, shoots up a theater and booby trapped his apartment with bombs. Yeah, let's focus on that, and completely ignore the other thousands in Colorado who legally own guns and don't randomly shoot people. Live on a farm, need to protect yourself form wild and possibly dangerous animals? Can't trust you to use a firearm to do it because of one nut in Aurora. Live in a dangerous neighborhood and need a gun for defense? Don't worry, once guns are made illegal, the criminals probably won't break that law while breaking other laws, so don't worry. You're working for a security company, carrying large sums of money from businesses to armored cars to banks? Sorry, that's not law enforcement. You get to drive around with hundreds of thousands of dollars unarmed while others might shoot you to get at the money.

Maybe if you're living in danger of being mauled by wildlife, you're living too close to their habitats.

Tawnos		2012-07-29 10:50:50 PM

AverageAmericanGuy:
People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.

I always want to just biatch slap idiots who say that line, but for whatever reason I'm curious what your logic is. What sets those people apart in their ability to own guns. What happens after they're done with their careers in military or law enforcement? Why do the people who I know carry and aren't cops shoot better than most cops I've seen at the range?

If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that people who want to push an agenda will latch onto any event regardless of its actual relevance.

Tawnos		2012-07-29 10:52:50 PM

AverageAmericanGuy:
Maybe if you're living in danger of being mauled by wildlife, you're living too close to their habitats.

So you're moving out of Sammamish/Issaquah, right? We have bears and coyotes and cougars and cougars.

JohnCarter		2012-07-29 10:53:02 PM

Sgt Otter: gopher321: Joelogon: Clear != Clean

/reading is fundamental

I'm sure the distinction is lost ON THE F'ING CHILD WHO WAS SHOT.

/not subby

Clearing a weapon is unloading it, or at the least, removing a live round from the chamber. If he kept it loaded and ready to rock for home defense, he may have actually been trying to be responsible by unloading it with children around, but his plan backfired horribly.

Technically his plan forward fired, if his plan had backfired, he would have shot himself, then we possibly would have had a Darwin Award

AverageAmericanGuy		2012-07-29 10:54:22 PM

Tawnos: AverageAmericanGuy:
Maybe if you're living in danger of being mauled by wildlife, you're living too close to their habitats.

So you're moving out of Sammamish/Issaquah, right? We have bears and coyotes and cougars and cougars.

I'm safe in my car. Plus, the deer are nice.

skinink		2012-07-29 10:54:44 PM

Not a big deal. The kid could have been replaced by a child from an orphanage.

The more you eat the more you fart		2012-07-29 10:55:25 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: I was just driving up I5 and there was apparently a shooting on I5 South near Boeing Field. The guy who was hit had his SUV riddled with bullets, and he luckily survived with only a slug in the shoulder. Another vehicle was hit and flipped over several times. The occupants of that were lucky to have survived as well.

Traffic was backed up from Boeing Field to central Seattle.

People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.

Rotfl!!!!

twiztedjustin		2012-07-29 10:56:47 PM

Shoots his own kid & won't stand up to his mistake. Real winner.

/guns are still awesome

Apos		2012-07-29 10:56:59 PM

Whether it's "clearing" or "cleaning",the fact that he did this while his child was in close proximity and then bolted like hell makes him Father of The Year^TM material.

LordOfThePings		2012-07-29 10:57:31 PM

Good morning, America, how are you?
Don't you know me? I'm your native son,
I'm the bullet they call The City of New Orleans,
I'll be gone five hundred miles when the day is done.

Great Janitor		2012-07-29 11:00:45 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Great Janitor: AverageAmericanGuy:

People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.

Then Aurora has taught you the wrong message.

One person goes mad in Aurora, shoots up a theater and booby trapped his apartment with bombs. Yeah, let's focus on that, and completely ignore the other thousands in Colorado who legally own guns and don't randomly shoot people. Live on a farm, need to protect yourself form wild and possibly dangerous animals? Can't trust you to use a firearm to do it because of one nut in Aurora. Live in a dangerous neighborhood and need a gun for defense? Don't worry, once guns are made illegal, the criminals probably won't break that law while breaking other laws, so don't worry. You're working for a security company, carrying large sums of money from businesses to armored cars to banks? Sorry, that's not law enforcement. You get to drive around with hundreds of thousands of dollars unarmed while others might shoot you to get at the money.

Maybe if you're living in danger of being mauled by wildlife, you're living too close to their habitats.

So, no more farming or ranching. I guess I better tell my dad that he needs to sell his farm and his shotguns.

AverageAmericanGuy		2012-07-29 11:03:55 PM

Great Janitor: AverageAmericanGuy: Great Janitor: AverageAmericanGuy:

People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.

Then Aurora has taught you the wrong message.

One person goes mad in Aurora, shoots up a theater and booby trapped his apartment with bombs. Yeah, let's focus on that, and completely ignore the other thousands in Colorado who legally own guns and don't randomly shoot people. Live on a farm, need to protect yourself form wild and possibly dangerous animals? Can't trust you to use a firearm to do it because of one nut in Aurora. Live in a dangerous neighborhood and need a gun for defense? Don't worry, once guns are made illegal, the criminals probably won't break that law while breaking other laws, so don't worry. You're working for a security company, carrying large sums of money from businesses to armored cars to banks? Sorry, that's not law enforcement. You get to drive around with hundreds of thousands of dollars unarmed while others might shoot you to get at the money.

Maybe if you're living in danger of being mauled by wildlife, you're living too close to their habitats.

So, no more farming or ranching. I guess I better tell my dad that he needs to sell his farm and his shotguns.

With the ready availability of meat and produce at supermarkets, there's no reason for such old-fashioned and outdated professions.

Great Janitor		2012-07-29 11:05:46 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Great Janitor: AverageAmericanGuy: Great Janitor: AverageAmericanGuy:

People who are neither military nor law enforcement have no business owning guns. If Aurora has taught us anything, it's that.

Then Aurora has taught you the wrong message.

One person goes mad in Aurora, shoots up a theater and booby trapped his apartment with bombs. Yeah, let's focus on that, and completely ignore the other thousands in Colorado who legally own guns and don't randomly shoot people. Live on a farm, need to protect yourself form wild and possibly dangerous animals? Can't trust you to use a firearm to do it because of one nut in Aurora. Live in a dangerous neighborhood and need a gun for defense? Don't worry, once guns are made illegal, the criminals probably won't break that law while breaking other laws, so don't worry. You're working for a security company, carrying large sums of money from businesses to armored cars to banks? Sorry, that's not law enforcement. You get to drive around with hundreds of thousands of dollars unarmed while others might shoot you to get at the money.

Maybe if you're living in danger of being mauled by wildlife, you're living too close to their habitats.

So, no more farming or ranching. I guess I better tell my dad that he needs to sell his farm and his shotguns.

With the ready availability of meat and produce at supermarkets, there's no reason for such old-fashioned and outdated professions.

So, basically, live in the cities. Don't like it, tough. And buy only the food on the shelves and don't try any of that "do it yourself" stuff. That's just silly out dated stuff. I mean, it's totally impossible for something to happen, like a solar flare, and take out the entire power grid.

pyrotek85		2012-07-29 11:08:56 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: With the ready availability of meat and produce at supermarkets, there's no reason for such old-fashioned and outdated professions.

You'd be surprised how many people just assume that, or maybe not.