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(Philly.com)   Small volunteer fire department buys $1 million terror fighting super boat using Homeland Security funds. What could possibly go right?   (philly.com) divider line 71
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2012-07-29 07:23:00 PM

cirby: Blue_Blazer:
Dropping out halfway through is actually how you complete the program.

Oh, you had a bunch of people hitting you with bogus politically-oriented lawsuits too, so your choice was quit or go bankrupt?


You don't come here to reality often, do you, Tourist?
 
2012-07-29 08:21:54 PM
Lenny_da_Hog:
You don't come here to reality often, do you, Tourist?

You don't know about it? Not surprising - most of the lefties never bothered finding out the details.

You see, when Palin was Governor of Alaska, some of the Democrat political nuts figured out that they could file a lot of ethics complaints against her. They didn't have to show any evidence, and she had to hire lawyers for each and every case. She couldn't use Alaskan state attorneys or legal staff for it, either. There was also a law that said she couldn't raise money from external sources to help her defense fund, so those lawyer fees had to come out of her own pocket. There was also no recourse for her to counter-file against the false charges to try and recover money from the people who made unfounded charges.

Her choice was to go let her entire family go bankrupt - or resign. Of course, the left started whining about how she was a "quitter," but never admitted the truth about the situation, or how their own people had manipulated the system.

What would you do?
 
2012-07-29 08:22:00 PM

ZAZ: Using homeland security funds plus more local money than they had:

Union's 2009 grant application - called an "investment justification" - sought $787,950 in federal funds for the Firestorm. Per the rules, the volunteers would pay the remaining $262,150. Union survives on $250,000 a year in state and township taxes. So after depleting its savings to buy the boat, the company needed a $94,000 loan to stay afloat.


Yeah, someone needs to speak to the comptroller about this. Totally unacceptable. A small airboat for potential water rescue, fine. This however is just bullshiat.
 
2012-07-29 08:36:01 PM

cirby: Lenny_da_Hog:
You don't come here to reality often, do you, Tourist?

You don't know about it? Not surprising - most of the lefties never bothered finding out the details.

You see, when Palin was Governor of Alaska, some of the Democrat political nuts figured out that they could file a lot of ethics complaints against her. They didn't have to show any evidence, and she had to hire lawyers for each and every case. She couldn't use Alaskan state attorneys or legal staff for it, either. There was also a law that said she couldn't raise money from external sources to help her defense fund, so those lawyer fees had to come out of her own pocket. There was also no recourse for her to counter-file against the false charges to try and recover money from the people who made unfounded charges.

Her choice was to go let her entire family go bankrupt - or resign. Of course, the left started whining about how she was a "quitter," but never admitted the truth about the situation, or how their own people had manipulated the system.

What would you do?


If they didn't have any evidence then why would she hire lawyers? Couldn't she have sold some of her really expensive clothes to foot the bill?
 
2012-07-29 08:39:57 PM

cirby: Oh, you had a bunch of people hitting you with bogus politically-oriented lawsuits too, so your choice was quit or go bankrupt?


Try Tiger Balm to soothe the pain and burn next time.
 
2012-07-29 08:48:22 PM
Break Out Another Thousand.
 
2012-07-29 10:06:21 PM
Damn Unions.

/Am I doing it right?
 
2012-07-29 10:36:17 PM
Wow, there's a lot of people in this thread that hate firefighters.
 
2012-07-29 10:40:12 PM
Instead of spending $1 million on a superboat they should have spent $25 thousand on a supertrain.

i126.photobucket.com

/it's a very kinky rail.
/supertrain, supertrain It's supertrainy
 
2012-07-30 06:11:25 AM
Our fire department is out of control. Only one building in our town of 50k requires a ladder truck so why not buy 12 of them. Hell, we sell our old trucks to the Hartford city FD.

Then they got embarrassed after it took a couple hours to remove a body from the river that was lodged in the mud so they ran out and bought a 100k hovercraft. No piece of equipment shall be denied to our "American Heroes"
 
2012-07-30 07:10:32 AM
The Edward M. Cotter Buffalo, NY's fireboat and registered National Historic Landmark. Cost: $91,000- paid for over a hundred years ago.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-07-30 07:14:28 AM
Can a real Murican fill me in on how this is the union's fault?
 
2012-07-30 07:27:37 AM

cirby: Lenny_da_Hog:
You don't come here to reality often, do you, Tourist?

You don't know about it? Not surprising - most of the lefties never bothered finding out the details.

You see, when Palin was Governor of Alaska, some of the Democrat political nuts figured out that they could file a lot of ethics complaints against her. They didn't have to show any evidence, and she had to hire lawyers for each and every case. She couldn't use Alaskan state attorneys or legal staff for it, either. There was also a law that said she couldn't raise money from external sources to help her defense fund, so those lawyer fees had to come out of her own pocket. There was also no recourse for her to counter-file against the false charges to try and recover money from the people who made unfounded charges.

Her choice was to go let her entire family go bankrupt - or resign. Of course, the left started whining about how she was a "quitter," but never admitted the truth about the situation, or how their own people had manipulated the system.

What would you do?


If I were named Clinton, I'd fight back and prove the allegations baseless and absurd.

If I were named Palin, I'd quit, cash in on a cheesy reality show and become a star of the very same media I constantly blame for my troubles.

But of course Whitewater was a huge crime and Clinton murdered Foster, amirite?
 
2012-07-30 08:56:48 AM
Cromulent User Name: Our fire department is out of control. Only one building in our town of 50k requires a ladder truck so why not buy 12 of them. Hell, we sell our old trucks to the Hartford city FD.

Then they got embarrassed after it took a couple hours to remove a body from the river that was lodged in the mud so they ran out and bought a 100k hovercraft. No piece of equipment shall be denied to our "American Heroes"


The sad thing is that the NFA and Homeland Security grant system encourages this crappy behavior. The grants are not cash awards, but rather "use it or lose it" appropriations, where unless they buy something within a short amount of time, the grant is revoked and taken away.
 
2012-07-30 09:32:24 AM
"The Bensalem police have an armored car," argues Dave Jerri Sr., a Union member and boat defender. "When's the last time they used it?"

That, to me, was the most important part of the story. The police department have their toy (which they don't), why can't we have ours?!

Also, people need to learn the difference between Union and union. The article clearly states that Union is a private company funded through $250,000 in taxes. It further states that the members are volunteers - we do know what volunteer means, right?
 
2012-07-30 09:33:39 AM
More proof conservatives don't give a shiat about spending. They just don't want to spend money on people that aren't rich.
 
2012-07-30 10:34:49 AM
This reminds me of the recent purchase of an armored car in Keane, NH through the same type of grant. In a town that's had 2 murders in the last 13-14 years and no loss of a police officer in the line of duty EVER. Why would they need this? To break up the occasional rowdy kegger at Keane State? Not a super fan of the Free Stater libertarians but they were right to get all pissed off about this one. Not that a vocal protest from the people actually stopped this from happening.
 
2012-07-30 11:16:50 AM

BronyMedic: Cromulent User Name: Our fire department is out of control. Only one building in our town of 50k requires a ladder truck so why not buy 12 of them. Hell, we sell our old trucks to the Hartford city FD.

Then they got embarrassed after it took a couple hours to remove a body from the river that was lodged in the mud so they ran out and bought a 100k hovercraft. No piece of equipment shall be denied to our "American Heroes"

The sad thing is that the NFA and Homeland Security grant system encourages this crappy behavior. The grants are not cash awards, but rather "use it or lose it" appropriations, where unless they buy something within a short amount of time, the grant is revoked and taken away.


Same thing that led to people buying the ceramic dalmatian on wheel of fortune's bonus round. I think that thing was like 1100 dollars
 
2012-07-30 01:18:45 PM
At the end of the day the Captain of the Port in Philadelphia (Coast Guard) and the Area Maritime Security Committee (local, state and federal partners) can't escape blame for this. The Captain of the Port has final veto authority on anything going into the grant application, and FEMA HQ relies on the local expertise and knowlege of the AMSC to keep this crap out. Someone decided to let it go in as-is, and those someones should be ashamed of themselves.
 
2012-07-30 05:31:13 PM
THANKS FOR WATING MY MONEY YOU JERKS

/please put my house out?
 
2012-07-30 09:46:25 PM

Kibbler: Can a real Murican fill me in on how this is the union's fault?


It's a volunteer fire department. No union, just good old-fashioned government waste.
 
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