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2012-07-29 03:56:46 PM

CONGRATS, Claudia, you just won the lottery AND probably ended Officer Dick's career.

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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-07-29 04:01:49 PM
I was going to call that genuine entrapment, as opposed to merely setting a trap, but it's not battery at all if the contact was consensual.
 
2012-07-29 04:07:45 PM
Will there come a point when this officer will have to testify in a court of law how he feared for his life when this 58 year old menace assaulted him? How could you face your fellow officers? I would give this guy so much sh*t.
 
2012-07-29 04:13:45 PM
There couldn't be more entrapment unless you invited Sean Connery and told Catherine Zeta-Jones to crawl through some lasers.
 
2012-07-29 04:53:16 PM

PhiloeBedoe: Will there come a point when this officer will have to testify in a court of law how he feared for his life when this 58 year old menace assaulted him? How could you face your fellow officers? I would give this guy so much sh*t.


Trust me, he's getting piles of shiat from every direction.

I know most cops aren't very bright, but this one appears to not even be plugged in.
 
2012-07-29 05:23:25 PM
What an asshole!

It's stupid sh*t like this that helps to keep women from calling the police. Even to this day the cops will often arrest both parties, even when only one was beaten, just so they can "sort things out at the station." So the woman finally gets the guts to call the police and ends up with an arrest record.

And then there's the asshole cops who show up after a neighbor calls in a noise complaint, can clearly see that the woman was recently beaten, and then tells both the man and woman to "keep it down or we'll come back and arrest both of you."

Then, if you do call the cops, he's only taken away for a short time and released. If you are very lucky and have an attorney you will be able to get a protection order before he gets out of jail. Oh boy... a piece of paper to wave in his face. Might as well wave a red flag in front of a bull.

Then there's the bigger issues like what if he's the only bread winner? If he doesn't get out on bail and loses his job, then the woman is suddenly faced with no money to live, especially if all the bank accounts are in his name. If she has no friends or family that can help her, then her only option is social services... which is next to impossible because of the economic downturn there's a waiting list for services, sometimes years long. But then why doesn't the woman just go out and get a job? Well, if she's a stay at home mom and hasn't worked in many, many years there's not a whole lot of options even if she can get hired somewhere.

So, why don't the women fight back?
There's the obvious answer that he's stronger and knows how to fight. Then there's the more complex issues that get into why does she stay with him. To put it simply, she is used to the abuse and has been manipulated by the abuser for so long that she is too afraid of leaving and has love for her abuser. It is very much like a mental illness. The woman loses her self worth and places her worth based on how she is treated by the man. If he didn't yell at her one day, than she considers that a good day. If he yells at her the next day, than she obviously did something wrong because she made him yell at her.

After a while you learn to put up, shut up, and give up.
 
2012-07-29 05:34:43 PM
If I get hit by a car, and a cop asks me to show how it happened, I'm not really inclined to jump in my car and run the dude down.

"Show me how your husband choked you." ≠ "Demonstrate on my neck how your husband choked you."
 
2012-07-29 05:44:50 PM

Babwa Wawa: If I get hit by a car, and a cop asks me to show how it happened, I'm not really inclined to jump in my car and run the dude down.

"Show me how your husband choked you." ≠ "Demonstrate on my neck how your husband choked you."


Seriously? You are defending this idiot?

So the woman moved her hands so fast the cop couldn't stop her from putting her hands around his neck? Wow she must be some kind of ninja.
 
2012-07-29 06:23:49 PM

Dinki: Babwa Wawa: If I get hit by a car, and a cop asks me to show how it happened, I'm not really inclined to jump in my car and run the dude down.

"Show me how your husband choked you." ≠ "Demonstrate on my neck how your husband choked you."

Seriously? You are defending this idiot?

So the woman moved her hands so fast the cop couldn't stop her from putting her hands around his neck? Wow she must be some kind of ninja.


That's it, blame the victim for not stopping the assault. And by "victim," I mean the cop.
Or the woman, if you believe the husband choked her. Either way, you're saying the victim of an assault is to blame for not preventing it.

Taking TFA at face value, it's obvious the woman was the violent one with both hubby and the cop. She needs a time-out in jail.
 
2012-07-29 06:33:40 PM

Dinki: Seriously? You are defending this idiot?


I'm no cop-lover - just ask BronyMedic or CruiserTwelve. Seems very possible to me that she didn't like the line of questioning from the cop, got frustrated and lashed out, deciding to demonstrate, rather than show the cop what happened.

Dinki: So the woman moved her hands so fast the cop couldn't stop her from putting her hands around his neck? Wow she must be some kind of ninja.


A victim actually has to be hurt in order for the perpetrator to charged with battery? That's new.

If you really can't picture a situation where the woman was highly charged and lashed out at the officer, then I dunno what to say.
 
2012-07-29 06:39:46 PM
In her husband's defense, her neck is asking for it.

www.news-journalonline.com
 
2012-07-29 06:43:49 PM

GGracie: It's stupid sh*t like this that helps to keep women from calling the police.


You don't have to have a coont or be one to call the police and have things go poorly for you. I personally have never called the police nor have numerous associates of mine because when push comes to shove cops are a prophylactic army of bullies and thugs designed to out man and out gun any newly minted army of bullies and thugs, like the Bloods or the Crips.

But when shiat happens in your individual life, would you call a gang to come to your aid? Even a gang with shiny badges and accountability? No because all of your encounters with them officially are antagonistic and their vetting process is such that you can score too well on their written test and instead of being instantly promoted, like in the army, you are kept off the force because they think you'll get bored and leave before you make detective.
 
2012-07-29 06:45:39 PM

GGracie: What an asshole!

It's stupid sh*t like this that helps to keep women from calling the police. Even to this day the cops will often arrest both parties, even when only one was beaten, just so they can "sort things out at the station." So the woman finally gets the guts to call the police and ends up with an arrest record.

And then there's the asshole cops who show up after a neighbor calls in a noise complaint, can clearly see that the woman was recently beaten, and then tells both the man and woman to "keep it down or we'll come back and arrest both of you."

Then, if you do call the cops, he's only taken away for a short time and released. If you are very lucky and have an attorney you will be able to get a protection order before he gets out of jail. Oh boy... a piece of paper to wave in his face. Might as well wave a red flag in front of a bull.

Then there's the bigger issues like what if he's the only bread winner? If he doesn't get out on bail and loses his job, then the woman is suddenly faced with no money to live, especially if all the bank accounts are in his name. If she has no friends or family that can help her, then her only option is social services... which is next to impossible because of the economic downturn there's a waiting list for services, sometimes years long. But then why doesn't the woman just go out and get a job? Well, if she's a stay at home mom and hasn't worked in many, many years there's not a whole lot of options even if she can get hired somewhere.

So, why don't the women fight back?
There's the obvious answer that he's stronger and knows how to fight. Then there's the more complex issues that get into why does she stay with him. To put it simply, she is used to the abuse and has been manipulated by the abuser for so long that she is too afraid of leaving and has love for her abuser. It is very much like a mental illness. The woman loses her self worth and places her worth based on how she is treated by the man. If ...


I can't argue with anything you said, but in this case, the lady looks like she was even set up.to boot.
 
2012-07-29 07:36:40 PM
Sensationalistic article paints an obviously flawed picture here. Read the END of the article, sounds like she lunged at him and did it in a violent manor, not a "Im showing you" way.

Also, considering she was the one charged with domestic battery and NOT her husband, I'm going to assume she was being violent throughout the situation.

/and I dont even like cops
 
2012-07-29 07:36:46 PM
wot the...???
i don't even...
 
2012-07-29 07:37:30 PM
That's not entrapment. A good example of entrapment is when a cop is sitting in a car at night without his parking lights on and he pulls you over. It's not entrapment if his parking lights are on though.
 
2012-07-29 07:38:48 PM

GGracie: Then there's the bigger issues like what if he's the only bread winner? If he doesn't get out on bail and loses his job, then the woman is suddenly faced with no money to live, especially if all the bank accounts are in his name. If she has no friends or family that can help her, then her only option is social services... which is next to impossible because of the economic downturn there's a waiting list for services, sometimes years long. But then why doesn't the woman just go out and get a job? Well, if she's a stay at home mom and hasn't worked in many, many years there's not a whole lot of options even if she can get hired somewhere.


There is this thing called Alimony, it was invented for the situation you describe.
 
2012-07-29 07:39:56 PM
You people are all missing the point.

I would TOTALLY let her asphyxiate me sexually. Then, I would wreck that lady.

/Sharp knees be damned.
//Is this post masculine enough?
 
2012-07-29 07:40:24 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: There couldn't be more entrapment unless you invited Sean Connery and told Catherine Zeta-Jones to crawl through some lasers.


Dat ass.
 
2012-07-29 07:40:42 PM
Maybe she did not do everything the cop expected/demanded.
 
2012-07-29 07:40:57 PM
On the doll! ON THE DOLL!!!
 
2012-07-29 07:44:44 PM
When I see her picture I imagine her voice as being the same as Dr. Girlfriend's.
 
2012-07-29 07:50:47 PM
ALL COPS SUCK I HATE THEM CUZ ONE TOOK MY WEED ONE TIME
/am I doing it right, Fark?
 
2012-07-29 07:51:51 PM
Cops are criminals hiding behind a badge.
 
2012-07-29 07:54:11 PM

GGracie: What an asshole!

It's stupid sh*t like this that helps to keep women from calling the police. Even to this day the cops will often arrest both parties, even when only one was beaten, just so they can "sort things out at the station." So the woman finally gets the guts to call the police and ends up with an arrest record.

And then there's the asshole cops who show up after a neighbor calls in a noise complaint, can clearly see that the woman was recently beaten, and then tells both the man and woman to "keep it down or we'll come back and arrest both of you."

Then, if you do call the cops, he's only taken away for a short time and released. If you are very lucky and have an attorney you will be able to get a protection order before he gets out of jail. Oh boy... a piece of paper to wave in his face. Might as well wave a red flag in front of a bull.

Then there's the bigger issues like what if he's the only bread winner? If he doesn't get out on bail and loses his job, then the woman is suddenly faced with no money to live, especially if all the bank accounts are in his name. If she has no friends or family that can help her, then her only option is social services... which is next to impossible because of the economic downturn there's a waiting list for services, sometimes years long. But then why doesn't the woman just go out and get a job? Well, if she's a stay at home mom and hasn't worked in many, many years there's not a whole lot of options even if she can get hired somewhere.

So, why don't the women fight back?
There's the obvious answer that he's stronger and knows how to fight. Then there's the more complex issues that get into why does she stay with him. To put it simply, she is used to the abuse and has been manipulated by the abuser for so long that she is too afraid of leaving and has love for her abuser. It is very much like a mental illness. The woman loses her self worth and places her worth based on how she is treated by the man. If ...


Or, in the case of my cousin, you call the cops, get the abusive s.o.b. arrested, get a restraining order. SOB
violates restraining order, gets arrested. Gets out of jail, gets arrested the next day for the same thing. Gets released two days later (sub judge @ weekend arraignment, computers were supposedly down). Nobody bothers to call my cousin to let her know that this guy, who tried to kill her in the past, was out free. So the SOB goes to her house, kidnaps her and drives off. They come to a red light on a major road and she tries to get out. He grabs her by the hair, yanks her back in, shoots her in the head and shoves her out onto the road and drives off.
 
2012-07-29 07:54:21 PM
Did anyone read the WHOLE article.

As most law officers will, it appears he asked her how she was choked, and she jumped up and went at him.

It makes a more sensational story to make it sound like he asked her to demonstrate on him. Baba Wawa is probably close to the mark with his comment.
 
2012-07-29 07:54:26 PM
When I was a kid, someone (probably erroneously) gave me an Andy Capp comic book. My favourite was when a 'copper' was at Andy's door, next to Andy's missus sporting a black eye, asking "Well how hard did you hit her?" Next frame was Andy punching the cop, replying "About half as hard as that."

Life imitating art.
 
2012-07-29 07:55:37 PM

GGracie: What an asshole!

It's stupid sh*t like this that helps to keep women from calling the police. Even to this day the cops will often arrest both parties, even when only one was beaten, just so they can "sort things out at the station." So the woman finally gets the guts to call the police and ends up with an arrest record.

And then there's the asshole cops who show up after a neighbor calls in a noise complaint, can clearly see that the woman was recently beaten, and then tells both the man and woman to "keep it down or we'll come back and arrest both of you."

Then, if you do call the cops, he's only taken away for a short time and released. If you are very lucky and have an attorney you will be able to get a protection order before he gets out of jail. Oh boy... a piece of paper to wave in his face. Might as well wave a red flag in front of a bull.

Then there's the bigger issues like what if he's the only bread winner? If he doesn't get out on bail and loses his job, then the woman is suddenly faced with no money to live, especially if all the bank accounts are in his name. If she has no friends or family that can help her, then her only option is social services... which is next to impossible because of the economic downturn there's a waiting list for services, sometimes years long. But then why doesn't the woman just go out and get a job? Well, if she's a stay at home mom and hasn't worked in many, many years there's not a whole lot of options even if she can get hired somewhere.

So, why don't the women fight back?
There's the obvious answer that he's stronger and knows how to fight. Then there's the more complex issues that get into why does she stay with him. To put it simply, she is used to the abuse and has been manipulated by the abuser for so long that she is too afraid of leaving and has love for her abuser. It is very much like a mental illness. The woman loses her self worth and places her worth based on how she is treated by the man. If ...


In the description above, the only escape is death of one or both. Probably at the hand of the man.

This couple is probably heading that direction.
 
2012-07-29 07:55:41 PM
www.news-journalonline.com


I bet she was hot as hell 20 years ago.
 
2012-07-29 07:55:58 PM

Aussie_As: When I was a kid, someone (probably erroneously) gave me an Andy Capp comic book. My favourite was when a 'copper' was at Andy's door, next to Andy's missus sporting a black eye, asking "Well how hard did you hit her?" Next frame was Andy punching the cop, replying "About half as hard as that."

Life imitating art.


Correction to previous, he said "About 'alf as 'ard as that."
 
2012-07-29 07:58:02 PM
I'm guessing it's not entrapment since he never said "show me by doing it to me" which means it is indeed battery. Shame on the cop, his supervisor, and any prosecutor who takes this up.
 
2012-07-29 07:58:06 PM

xl5150: That's not entrapment. A good example of entrapment is when a cop is sitting in a car at night without his parking lights on and he pulls you over. It's not entrapment if his parking lights are on though.


Yeah....that's not entrapment. Entrapment is when the police engage you to commit a crime you wouldn't have otherwise committed. If you're already committing a moving violation and just don't see the police, you're farked.
 
2012-07-29 07:59:36 PM

Smackledorfer: I'm guessing it's not entrapment since he never said "show me by doing it to me" which means it is indeed battery. Shame on the cop, his supervisor, and any prosecutor who takes this up.


It's not entrapment - it's consent. She did what he asked him to do. He's a farking moran.
 
2012-07-29 07:59:42 PM

digitalrain: ...


That was NOT a cool story.

/unless it ends with "perp was arrested after local vigilantes anally violated him with a baseball bat covered in industrial adhesive and broken glass"
 
2012-07-29 07:59:51 PM
This is a direct violation of the Wil Wheaton "Don't Be A Dick" birthday extravaganza.

i.imgur.com

With bonus hawtness.
 
2012-07-29 08:01:01 PM

Mister Peejay: digitalrain: ...

That was NOT a cool story.

/unless it ends with "perp was arrested after local vigilantes anally violated him with a baseball bat covered in industrial adhesive and broken glass"


Actually they found him holed up in a friend's house (in my old neighborhood of all places) and had
the place surrounded, SWAT called out, etc... The chickenshiat bastard ate his gun. Too quick a death
for him by half.
 
2012-07-29 08:02:17 PM
Jesus, officer Nancy, you think you'll live?
 
2012-07-29 08:07:17 PM
www.juliesjournal.com

Simpsons did it
 
2012-07-29 08:07:46 PM
 
2012-07-29 08:08:56 PM
All the more reason that cops need to be exterminated.
 
2012-07-29 08:11:48 PM

Scerpes: Smackledorfer: I'm guessing it's not entrapment since he never said "show me by doing it to me" which means it is indeed battery. Shame on the cop, his supervisor, and any prosecutor who takes this up.

It's not entrapment - it's consent. She did what he asked him to do. He's a farking moran.


If I say "show me how to punch someone" and you punch me in the face, that's assault, brother.

you can't assume people want to be hit or touched just because you feel like inferring extra stuff.

This is not a defense of this cop and how much of a tool he seems to be. This is a defense of meaningful communication. Words have meaning and "show me", at least imo, should not be taken to imply [by doing it on me].
 
2012-07-29 08:12:46 PM

muldoon: [www.news-journalonline.com image 480x600]


I bet she was hot as hell 20 years ago.


I concur.
 
2012-07-29 08:13:02 PM

digitalrain: Mister Peejay: digitalrain: ...

That was NOT a cool story.

/unless it ends with "perp was arrested after local vigilantes anally violated him with a baseball bat covered in industrial adhesive and broken glass"

Actually they found him holed up in a friend's house (in my old neighborhood of all places) and had
the place surrounded, SWAT called out, etc... The chickenshiat bastard ate his gun. Too quick a death
for him by half.


Indeed. An potato peeler and six months wouldn't have been slow enough though.

Moral of the story same as the article: cops are only good at what they do, which is control their turf like a gang. You come out with a gun or even a bunch of guns, they show up with helicopters, light armored vehicles, and more men with rifles than you'll see anywhere short of the movie saving private ryan.

They are there to prevent people who are on the fence about crime from doing anything stupid and fall like a ton of bricks on anyone who actually commits a crime. What they don't do is stop people who are committed to doing crime from doing said crimes. That's clear in every tragedy.

:(
 
2012-07-29 08:16:43 PM

Babwa Wawa: If I get hit by a car, and a cop asks me to show how it happened, I'm not really inclined to jump in my car and run the dude down.

"Show me how your husband choked you." ≠ "Demonstrate on my neck how your husband choked you."


This
 
2012-07-29 08:21:10 PM

digitalrain: GGracie: What an asshole!

It's stupid sh*t like this that helps to keep women from calling the police. Even to this day the cops will often arrest both parties, even when only one was beaten, just so they can "sort things out at the station." So the woman finally gets the guts to call the police and ends up with an arrest record.

And then there's the asshole cops who show up after a neighbor calls in a noise complaint, can clearly see that the woman was recently beaten, and then tells both the man and woman to "keep it down or we'll come back and arrest both of you."

Then, if you do call the cops, he's only taken away for a short time and released. If you are very lucky and have an attorney you will be able to get a protection order before he gets out of jail. Oh boy... a piece of paper to wave in his face. Might as well wave a red flag in front of a bull.

Then there's the bigger issues like what if he's the only bread winner? If he doesn't get out on bail and loses his job, then the woman is suddenly faced with no money to live, especially if all the bank accounts are in his name. If she has no friends or family that can help her, then her only option is social services... which is next to impossible because of the economic downturn there's a waiting list for services, sometimes years long. But then why doesn't the woman just go out and get a job? Well, if she's a stay at home mom and hasn't worked in many, many years there's not a whole lot of options even if she can get hired somewhere.

So, why don't the women fight back?
There's the obvious answer that he's stronger and knows how to fight. Then there's the more complex issues that get into why does she stay with him. To put it simply, she is used to the abuse and has been manipulated by the abuser for so long that she is too afraid of leaving and has love for her abuser. It is very much like a mental illness. The woman loses her self worth and places her worth based on how she is treated by the ...


THE ARISTOCRATS!
 
2012-07-29 08:21:17 PM

digitalrain: So, why don't the women fight back?
There's the obvious answer that he's stronger and knows how to fight. Then there's the more complex issues that get into why does she stay with him. To put it simply, she is used to the abuse and has been manipulated by the abuser for so long that she is too afraid of leaving and has love for her abuser. It is very much like a mental illness. The woman loses her self worth and places her worth based on how she is treated by the man. If ...

Or, in the case of my cousin, you call the cops, get the abusive s.o.b. arrested, get a restraining order. SOB
violates restraining order, gets arrested. Gets out of jail, gets arrested the next day for the same thing. Gets released two days later (sub judge @ weekend arraignment, computers were supposedly down). Nobody bothers to call my cousin to let her know that this guy, who tried to kill her in the past, was out free. So the SOB goes to her house, kidnaps her and drives off. They come to a red light on a major road and she tries to get out. He grabs her by the hair, yanks her back in, shoots her in the head and shoves her out onto the road and drives off.


i.ytimg.com

No half measures...
 
2012-07-29 08:21:43 PM

Babwa Wawa: If I get hit by a car, and a cop asks me to show how it happened, I'm not really inclined to jump in my car and run the dude down.

"Show me how your husband choked you." ≠ "Demonstrate on my neck how your husband choked you."


Thats entirely to logical for us
 
2012-07-29 08:21:58 PM
WTF? That's not the comment I clicked on to quote. Please disregard that SNAFU
 
2012-07-29 08:22:32 PM

Ed Finnerty: In her husband's defense, her neck is asking for it.

[www.news-journalonline.com image 480x600]


That neck is asking to be filled with some human hotdog, if you know what I mean, and I think you do. Wink, wink.
 
2012-07-29 08:25:06 PM

muldoon: [www.news-journalonline.com image 480x600]


I bet she was hot as hell 20 years ago.


Heck, 20 minutes ago (after a few beers, too).
 
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