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(AlterNet)   Five "scientific conclusions" about cannabis the media doesn't want you to know. Missing from the list: marijuana is, in fact, a drug that impairs judgment and shouldn't be treated lightly, just like alcohol   (alternet.org ) divider line
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2012-07-29 06:07:05 PM  
10 votes:

OgreMagi: One of the barriers to getting pot legalized is a viable method of measuring how much someone has consumed and setting what constitutes impairment. We need a pot equivalent of the BAC test.

/I don't smoke pot


No. We need an impairment test period. It doesn't have to be pot specific.

If you just drove your car into my house I personally do not care if you are drunk, have not slept in 30 hours, high on your prescription medicine, just took a bunch of off the shelf cold medicine or benadryl. The issue is impairment and the test should test for it. Determining specific levels of certain chemicals is just bullshiat.
2012-07-29 04:02:58 PM  
10 votes:
Cannabis has been responsible for, (last time I checked), exactly 0 deaths from overdose.

About the only ways cannabis can kill you is if:
A bale of it falls on your head
An organized crime gangster kills you in a dispute involving it
An overzealous drug cop kills you in a dispute involving it
You light yourself on fire in a strange accident involving a joint, lighter fluid and a malfunctioning barbeque while attempting to satisfy your munchies
Cheetos overdose, which is no laughing matter


Legalize it, regulate it, make it safe
2012-07-29 03:55:50 PM  
8 votes:
5. The schedule I classification of cannabis is a lie; the science says so

read that one again: 5. The schedule I classification of cannabis is a lie; the science says so

you cannot argue with these facts. this has been scientifically proven - cannabis does not meet the requirements of Schedule I. you MUST accept this fact, you have no choice in the matter. And once you do admit to the facts involved...then the entire argument against legalization falls apart.
2012-07-29 06:09:15 PM  
4 votes:
fark the market and fark the government. I should be able to grow it in the back yard next to the tomatoes.
2012-07-29 05:51:27 PM  
4 votes:
Marijuana has a variety of problems that potheads refuse to admit. It's not a wonder drug and has drawbacks, especially in the age group that its mainly frequented by (young males) in popular culture.

But holy fark this entire weed prohibition bullshiat is ridiculous, costs money, ruins lives, and has absolutely no positive side-effects to go along with it. Who the fark still thinks this is a good idea?
2012-07-29 06:54:12 PM  
3 votes:
You people do understand that there is more than one kind of marijuana, right? Just like there are different kinds of roses and tomatoes?

There are over 14,000 strains of cannabis, each with its own unique effects, its own potency, its own smell and taste, and its own drawbacks.

Some strains will make you lazy. Some will make you hyper. Some help with pain, some with depression, some with nausea or spastic episodes. Some exacerbate these. Some smell great and some smell like shiat. I even know of a strain that is in development that doesn't get you high at all.

It isn't a wonder plant. It is a collection of over 14,000 different amazing plants with various effects that can make your symptoms better or worse depending on which you use.

Legalization will lead to some pretty awesome and thorough research being done, some of which is already getting underway in the MMJ community.


People need to get that.
2012-07-29 06:28:19 PM  
3 votes:
I don't see why marijuana making you a bit lazy is such a favorite argument for the anti-weed crowd. For starters, it doesn't make you so lazy you just waste away on your couch. I still manage to get up and go to work every day, pay my bills, and easily contribute to society. The only difference is when I get home instead of a beer and ESPN, I roll a joint and watch cartoon network.

Plus, I suspect if more people would just chill out and smoke a bowl, then maybe we'd all stop killing eachother.
2012-07-29 06:15:19 PM  
3 votes:
Marijuana should be legalized and taxed, the same as alcohol and cigs. Not only would it bring in millions of dollars for the state and federal governments, it would eliminate a large subset of crime, both violent and non, and free up our prison and penal system from thousands of frivolous cases each year.

But, that said, let's not pretend that Marijuana is completely harmless. It has the same level of harm as long-term tobacco use. And you really don't want to use it if you're schizophrenic.
2012-07-29 05:56:55 PM  
3 votes:

farm4.staticflickr.com

Its a plant... Legalize it...

2012-07-29 07:41:16 PM  
2 votes:

Fano: Getting high leads to telling longwinded pointless stories and engineering bongs out of anything your stoned mind can conceive from tools at hand.


For me it led to starting a summer seasonal scooter rental business near a national park that allows me to have 8 months off a year to bum around the country and take photographs of cool stuff.
/but that's just me.
2012-07-29 06:29:55 PM  
2 votes:

jshine: Ryan2065: The My Little Pony Killer: So I take it from the headline that Subby supports alcohol prohibition.

I read the headline to mean marijuana legalization with some restrictions, like alcohol.

That's how I read it -- and it seems reasonable. It should be legal, but obviously it *is* a drug and needs to be treated with some degree of respect just like alcohol or legal prescription pain meds.


Bathroom breaks notwithstanding, you can kill yourself in one night drinking or taking prescription meds without leaving your couch (except for bathroom breaks). Impossible to do with pot.

As a taxi driver, I'd rather give potheads a ride than drunks. The potheads are never belligerent and never puke in the back seat.
2012-07-29 06:23:46 PM  
2 votes:
Marijuana doesn't make you lazy. If you're already a lazy person, then you're just more likely to be lazy when you smoke pot. If you're an active person, then you're more likely to be active when you smoke pot. Try going amongst those who actively use the mountains a lot for manual(not motorized) recreation. Take a poll amongst avid hikers, mountain bikers, and climbers. About 70% of the ones that I've known enjoy smoking pot and doing their thing. Are hiking, mountain biking, and climbing lazy things to do? I think not.

The argument about it making you lazy reminds me of an old bigoted welder I know whose son turned into a pothead:

"He started smoking pot all the time and it made him useless." I just didn't have the heart to tell him that his son was already useless, but that was a convenient thing for him to blame it on.
2012-07-29 06:18:19 PM  
2 votes:

Sargun: Who the fark still thinks this is a good idea?


Prison lobbyists, cops that want an easy revenue stream, DAs that want easy cases to make a name for themselves, and judges that want an easy way to look "tough on crime" by locking a kid up for years as punishment for a digression that is no worse than getting their hands on a 6-pack of shiatty beer.
2012-07-29 06:16:39 PM  
2 votes:
I hate pot. You know what I hate more? The government wasting my money going after people who smoke pot. It's none of their god damn business.
2012-07-29 06:14:45 PM  
2 votes:

OgreMagi: One of the barriers to getting pot legalized is a viable method of measuring how much someone has consumed and setting what constitutes impairment. We need a pot equivalent of the BAC test.

/I don't smoke pot


Actually we need something that measures impairment, unlike BAC.
2012-07-29 05:57:52 PM  
2 votes:

Mr. Eugenides: Mr. Potatoass: I quit smoking pot from 1980, to 2008.
I seems to have gotten a little stronger, in that time.

That's spinach you're smoking then.


"I'm strong to da finich, cause I smokes me spinach."

/several times Popeye did eat his spinach through his pipe
2012-07-29 05:53:52 PM  
2 votes:
Getting high leads to telling longwinded pointless stories and engineering bongs out of anything your stoned mind can conceive from tools at hand.
2012-07-29 04:57:15 PM  
2 votes:

Ryan2065: The My Little Pony Killer: So I take it from the headline that Subby supports alcohol prohibition.

I read the headline to mean marijuana legalization with some restrictions, like alcohol.


I could live with that.
2012-07-29 04:33:18 PM  
2 votes:
So I take it from the headline that Subby supports alcohol prohibition.
2012-07-29 04:20:25 PM  
2 votes:
Hey subby, right there on the page is a handy clickable link that gives a URL like this: http://www.alternet.org/drugs/five-scientific-conclusions-about-canna b is-mainstream-media-doesnt-want-you-know?paging=off

Which results in a much more readable article. Is that really so hard?
2012-07-30 01:04:46 AM  
1 vote:

People_are_Idiots: There is a published study that states long-term, heavy marijuana use leads to memory loss and mild brain trauma, Here: Link. You supposedly can die from OD on marijuana, BUT it has to be 40,000 times more smoked or eaten than what is currently done. basically, in the amount of time it takes to consume 1, you'd have to consume 40k. Only way that might happen is if a marijuana farm catches fire.



i.e. "You're waaay more likely to be randomly crushed by a bale of cannabis falling from the sky than ever die from consuming cannabis". The fact that you even mention "facts" like this in conjunction with your argument makes it hard to take seriously. The article you sourced states that the participants in the study used at least 5 joints a day for over 10 years, they found the Tommy Chongs of society to compare against sober people years younger. 5 joints is a lot of weed to smoke in a day; assuming you roll a gram into a modest sized joint (about average) you're smoking well over a quarter pound a month.

The percentage of cannabis users who routinely consume over a quarter pound a month of cannabis is farking tiny. This is the population of the society that is taking out a handle of liquor every day. Sure these people exist, but these are by no means a representation of the population as a whole. Even your site concludes on that note:

""Although modest use may not lead to significant neurotoxic effects, these results suggest that heavy daily use might indeed be toxic to human brain tissue," Dr Yücel said."


As an aside, I randomly checked a couple links off the main page of your science site, and I got anti-climate science rhetoric from both. Conservative science would of course find a problem with cannabis. It's like getting your news from Fox versus the rest of the media, it's gonna have that spin on it.
2012-07-29 11:46:01 PM  
1 vote:

Jument: Mr.Bobo: [farm4.staticflickr.com image 426x640]

Its a plant... Legalize it...

I farking hate that argument. If plants are good, how about you eat a death angel toadstool? The fact that it is a plant is as relevant to the discussion as the fact that the sky is blue. Stop being an idiot and maybe one day people will take you seriously.



Would a death angel toadstool relax you for 2 hours, and provide medical relief? It is relevant because it is a naturally occurring substance with known medicinal benefits scheduled alongside real drugs like meth, crack, and PCP. Which are of course chemically manufactured in clandestine labs by real hardened criminals who actually perpetrate real serious crimes.


it really is a harmless plant, more of a medicine to many, that Americans have used for years. The fact that the government would wage a huge war at your expense against it to the tune of $8+ billion annually is pretty silly.
2012-07-29 09:45:42 PM  
1 vote:
"just like alcohol"

I'm guessing subby has never smoked or is one of the 1 in 100,000,000 people who have had a bad experience smoking. Either way, comparing marijuana to alcohol is absurb. I would have given everything had my father beed a pot head instead of an alcoholic. I'm pretty sure pot would have made him less abusive. Yet, it is alcohol that is legal. I have a huge problem with this. I guess it is all about your perspective.
2012-07-29 09:05:42 PM  
1 vote:

muldoon: I never understood the "It's a plant, it's natural and therefore is safe" mindset. poison ivy is a plant, would you smoke that?

That said, it's plainly obvious that pot is not a problem warranting militarization of our police force to save us. More lives are lost with our current policies then from the substance itself. Indeed, the solution is worse than the problem.

I have smoked plenty of dope in my life but do not use it these days or years. I don't care if you do, nor do I care if anyone does, however I would prefer those dollars go to official GDP instead of going to thug culture gangsters, cartel killers, banks and crooked politicians.

We can grow lettuce and broccoli in this country for less than a dollar a pound, but pot is greater than $50 per ounce for the shiattiest mexi-brick. It's stupid. Legalize it, let the market sort it out.


I would be thrilled if poison ivy was made illegal like marijuana.
Then the DEA could come and clear the stuff out from behind my shed and I wouldn't have to mess with it year after year.
2012-07-29 08:25:27 PM  
1 vote:

archichris: Imma make you a list of all the jobs you wont be getting because of legal cannabis use......

1- Every job that pays more than $50,000 a year
2- Any job which carries responsibility for large amounts of cash or investments.
3- Any job which involves children or heavy machinery

Once again, it isnt about your opinion of the drug, its about people not wanting to trust a pothead with something of value. Works the same way with alcohol and prescription drugs, if you have a habit and it impairs your judgement, someone somewhere will use that to justify removing you fro a high paying job....mostly because right behind you is someone who is just as good as you are who doesnt smoke pot.


Yeah. I know I've never heard of a banker, or construction worker, or architect, or ad exec., or teacher, or parent who enjoyed a few drinks now and again without it ending in unmitigated disaster.

It's too bad that with pot, alcohol, or any similar drug there's just no possible way to indulge occasionally without the drug becoming your defining characteristic.

If only...
2012-07-29 08:02:08 PM  
1 vote:

Ima4nic8or: Keep up the rationalizations you dirty hippies. It helps schizos. Ok, so? Are you a schizo? If not then no reason to use it. It purportedly reduces suicide rates. I am dubious and suspect this study is a case of confusing correlation and causation. Lets say its not though. Thinking of killing yourself right now? If not, then no need for the dope.


Are you trying to have a baby? If not then there's no need to fark. Can you get your daily 1200 calories from peanuts and kale? Then there's no need to eat anything else.

Can you be a pedantic, friendless killjoy who refuses to acknowledge the human need for pleasure in an empty room with a no computer? Then there's no reason to be on Fark.
2012-07-29 07:51:06 PM  
1 vote:
The amount of ancient anti-pot rhetoric that still persists is STAGGERING. FFS we got a supposed medic quoting absolute garbage. Whoever is in charge of anti-weed propaganda is doing a great jorb.
2012-07-29 07:36:14 PM  
1 vote:
Oh, and for those in the thread who are claiming that the government will reap no tax revenue because cannabis is so easy to grow, I have this to say:

Yes, cannabis is easy to grow. Like all plants, it just wants to live. A bunch of sunlight and some water in nutrient rich soil will keep it growing.

It is not, however, easy to grow RIGHT. If you want a good quantity of high-quality cannabis, it takes a lot of time, effort, patience, and diligence to grow a good plant. It can be a very fickle plant, sensitive to temperature and humidity and to pH levels in your soil and water, and very vulnerable to pests like spider-mites. Deer will eat it by the bushel. Plants need to be sexed and the males removed promptly to avoid pollination. Trimming is a VERY labor intensive process that takes a great deal of time, and proper curing takes a great deal of time and attentiveness as well.

You don't have to pay constant attention to your tomatoes and eggplants. You don't have to spend weeks curing them after the fact.

And most folks will STILL buy their produce from the store rather than growing it themselves. It is more expensive to go out and buy them, sure, but it is less of a pain in the ass than tending a garden, so people shop. Hell, even cooking is too much of a pain in the ass for some people, so they go out to restaurants.

What makes people think cannabis would be any different?

Cannabis shops and hash bars will make BANK in this country once legalization finally happens, and that's a taxable revenue stream that the government is in no position to pass up.
2012-07-29 07:07:31 PM  
1 vote:

pdkl95: OgreMagi: One of the barriers to getting pot legalized is a viable method of measuring how much someone has consumed and setting what constitutes impairment. We need a pot equivalent of the BAC test.

/I don't smoke pot

*sigh*

Yet again, this is attempting to solve the wrong problem.

When concerned about safety and things like DUI, this problem isn't "how much drug is this person currently on?", but "Do they have the necessary abilities to drive the car safely".

It doesn't matter the amount of THC, ethanol, or anything else the person might be using: if your reaction time, for example, is insufficient, you shouldn't be driving the damn car. Even better, not only is it future-proof against any other drug invented in the future, but this catches non-drug problems as well, such as the one that is probably the #1 issue on the highways right now: sleep deprivation.

If you've had a bunch of alcohol, but the test proves your abilities are still reasonable... meh. I'm not worried about you. If you've been up for 27 hours and starting to miss things like that stop sign over there, you're the actual danger.

It's probably even fairly simple and cheap to measure ability, too: if we can make a Nintendo DS for less than a couple hundred dollars, it shouldn't be more than that to make some sort of simulator that runs through a quick driving test.


Determining if someone is impaired from drugs or alcohol would involve too much ambiguous interpretation. The courts don't like that since it is the sort of thing that can not be easily proven one way or another. While a BAC is not a perfect measure, it is a reasonable tool (except when the level is set to ridiculously low values) for legal purposes.

Your suggestion that some kind of coordination test won't work. You need to have a baseline that is individually tailored for each person. Otherwise naturally clumsy people will get arrested for drunk driving.
2012-07-29 06:43:49 PM  
1 vote:
I love the idealist argument that if you legalize pot, all the gang members, mobsters, and dealers involved in it's trade are just going accept the fact that they've been put out if business and move on. What will happen is either

A. The taxes will make weed so expensive that the black market for it will continue to flourish, and probably get bigger, exacerbating the problems associated with this

Or B. The market for black market weed will collapse entirely, and the dealers will just start pushing coke and heroin instead.
2012-07-29 06:43:34 PM  
1 vote:

Barbecue Bob: Many people die from alcohol use. Nobody dies from marijuana use.
People die from alcohol overdoses. There has never been a fatal marijuana overdose.
Alcohol use damages the brain. Marijuana use does not.
The health-related costs associated with alcohol use far exceed those for marijuana use.
Alcohol use is linked to cancer. Marijuana use is not.
Alcohol is more addictive than marijuana.
Alcohol use increases the risk of injury to the consumer. Marijuana use does not.
Alcohol use contributes to aggressive and violent behavior. Marijuana use does not.
Alcohol use is a major factor in violent crimes. Marijuana use is not.
Alcohol use contributes to the likelihood of domestic abuse and sexual assault. Marijuana use does not.

//citation; http://www.saferchoice.org/content/view/24/53/

/Eat a cock trollmitter.


The jury is still out on a number of those claims, particularly its carcinogenic properties and its effects on the brain.

It's not that easy to perform large-scale, controlled double-blind studies on something that's illegal in most countries.
2012-07-29 06:43:26 PM  
1 vote:

elchip: [www.bc.edu image 850x553]

Don't worry, Socrates, it's just a plant.

/Anti-prohibition
//But the "just a plant" argument is overly simplistic


It was always: "Socrates, what is truth? Socrates, what is the nature of the good? Socrates, what should I order? Socrates, what are you having?" And not once did anyone ever say: "Socrates, hemlock is poison!"
2012-07-29 06:39:05 PM  
1 vote:

Weaver95: 5. The schedule I classification of cannabis is a lie; the science says so

read that one again: 5. The schedule I classification of cannabis is a lie; the science says so

you cannot argue with these facts. this has been scientifically proven - cannabis does not meet the requirements of Schedule I. you MUST accept this fact, you have no choice in the matter. And once you do admit to the facts involved...then the entire argument against legalization falls apart.


It was put on the Schedule not for medical risk, but financial. Purely financial, since the paper industry really didn't like the idea of cheap hemp paper. Not with being heavily invested in timber. Since then, it has been kept there to bolster police budgets, to up conviction rates, keep prison industry revenues up, and make "tough on crime" folks look better.

There are industries that would suffer terribly if marijuana were legalized. Paper and cotton would take a hit. Lawyers and those invested in the justice system for their silvers would take a hit. States would see convictions go down, and that would make a lot of politicians' schemes to build up a story of how we HAVE to crack down on certain types turn to lies.

It would have benefits. State budgets for law enforcement could actually go to chasing violent criminals. The DEA could focus on dangerous drugs, and turn over marijuana over as a tax issue. Prison populations would go down, and that would save the taxpayers a fair amount, which actually could then go to other projects, and ease budgets across the nation. Industries could then invest in applications for hemp and hemp related products, which would be a whole NEW industry, and inject a lot of capital into the markets. It would bolster entrepreneurs, and some of the growers who are now looking to hide their cash, might actually see not just a solid return, but even find investors, as well as become consultants to the nascent companies formed, and craft growers would spring up across the nation.

It is asinine to keep at this, especially given how the whole thing got started. Hemp and marijuana were competitors to industries that had deep enough pockets to buy off their Congresscritters. Heck, the reasoning keeps changing. Dangerous narcotic that caused folks to go kill crazy, to too apathetic to fight our wars. More addictive than heroin, and no medical value, to so inoffensive that it wouldn't have any value.

It boils down to a simple fact: certain interests have don't want market competition, and industries have sprung up to assist the efforts to KEEP marijuana illegal. And it's asinine. We waste a huge amount of money interdicting and chasing down growers and users, and use marijuana as an excuse to bust people, when most cops don't really care, so long as folks keep it down, and stay off the road.

I don't smoke the stuff--I prefer tobacco and alcohol personally--but I don't care what people do in their own homes. We can save a lot of taxpayer cash, and promote new entrepreneurs. It makes financial sense to end this mess. Not for some, and holding the nation back for the benefit of a few is what this has done.
2012-07-29 06:37:59 PM  
1 vote:

Explodo: Marijuana doesn't make you lazy. If you're already a lazy person, then you're just more likely to be lazy when you smoke pot. If you're an active person, then you're more likely to be active when you smoke pot. Try going amongst those who actively use the mountains a lot for manual(not motorized) recreation. Take a poll amongst avid hikers, mountain bikers, and climbers. About 70% of the ones that I've known enjoy smoking pot and doing their thing. Are hiking, mountain biking, and climbing lazy things to do? I think not.

The argument about it making you lazy reminds me of an old bigoted welder I know whose son turned into a pothead:

"He started smoking pot all the time and it made him useless." I just didn't have the heart to tell him that his son was already useless, but that was a convenient thing for him to blame it on.


I've been saying this for decades, after my own dive through the drug scene. If all pot was magically disappeared from the planet, the people who are lazy potheads would remain lazy; they just couldn't blame it on the pot. Shiftless people will always find a way to remain shiftless; it's in their blood.
2012-07-29 06:30:39 PM  
1 vote:

Wolf892: ultraholland: Wolf892: having to smell the sickening stench of that crap.

Good weed smells good.


InflamedGonads: Because ganja tar is purer than cigarette tar...

There are many ways to consume the marijuana.

Nope it doesn't. It all smells like a skunk farted a blood dump onto a pile of dead crack babies.
Other than that I don't have anything against it.


Only.shiat weed.smells that bad, tell your neighbors to quit.smoking.Mexican dirt weed.
2012-07-29 06:30:12 PM  
1 vote:
Many people die from alcohol use. Nobody dies from marijuana use.
People die from alcohol overdoses. There has never been a fatal marijuana overdose.
Alcohol use damages the brain. Marijuana use does not.
The health-related costs associated with alcohol use far exceed those for marijuana use.
Alcohol use is linked to cancer. Marijuana use is not.
Alcohol is more addictive than marijuana.
Alcohol use increases the risk of injury to the consumer. Marijuana use does not.
Alcohol use contributes to aggressive and violent behavior. Marijuana use does not.
Alcohol use is a major factor in violent crimes. Marijuana use is not.
Alcohol use contributes to the likelihood of domestic abuse and sexual assault. Marijuana use does not.

//citation; http://www.saferchoice.org/content/view/24/53/

/Eat a cock trollmitter.
2012-07-29 06:29:07 PM  
1 vote:

D_Evans45: I remember i fought that guy who was way too big for me when I was high. I also beat up my wife. I hit my kid a couple times with the belt as well, and swerved all over the road nearly killing an innocent family. Then I called up my ex and bawled for a half hour.

/Submitter is a dumbass


Couldn't have been high off weed and if you were then it was laced with something
2012-07-29 06:26:14 PM  
1 vote:
Keep up the rationalizations you dirty hippies. It helps schizos. Ok, so? Are you a schizo? If not then no reason to use it. It purportedly reduces suicide rates. I am dubious and suspect this study is a case of confusing correlation and causation. Lets say its not though. Thinking of killing yourself right now? If not, then no need for the dope. Its not as problematic as cig smoke in the lungs. True enough. Its still much more destructive to the lungs then breathing clean air. This argument is like saying rape isnt as bad as murder. True enough, but it is not all that relevant of a point since that would not make you want to permit rape. Smoking weed is associated with only marginal increases in traffic risk. So is speeding, yet we outlaw that. The fact is it unncessesarily increases risk. Schedule I classification is a lie? What does that mean? Are you claiming it is not in fact a class I drug? We can go and look up how it is classified. Hey, lookie there. It says class I. Ok, I know, the intent was to state that it is not appropriately classifed. On that point I would agree, however, that does not make smoking it good for your health, the health of the general public, or the least bit necessary.
2012-07-29 06:22:38 PM  
1 vote:
Common sense reasons why all this is true:

1. Pot calms you down, hence, if you're psycho, you probably remain psycho, but less overtly and at less harm to yourself and others.
2. Calmer psychos don't kill themselves. Plus, if you're freaked about your third pot arrest, you'd be less likely to kill yourself if you weren't looking at felony time
3. People don't chain-smoke joints like they do cigarettes, ergo, pot smokers don't do the damage to their lungs that cigarette smokers do.
4. Old cop anecdote: A drunk blows through a stop sign, a pothead sits and waits for it turn green. The only accidents potheads are likely to get into is being hit from behind by the furious drunk who's mad they're going so slow.
5. Doctors decided which other drugs should be Schedule I; Congress decided on marijuana.
2012-07-29 06:21:54 PM  
1 vote:

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Sargun: Who the fark still thinks this is a good idea?

Prison lobbyists, cops that want an easy revenue stream, DAs that want easy cases to make a name for themselves, and judges that want an easy way to look "tough on crime" by locking a kid up for years as punishment for a digression that is no worse than getting their hands on a 6-pack of shiatty beer.


And politicians whose constituents take Reefer Madness seriously.
2012-07-29 06:21:06 PM  
1 vote:

jshine: Ryan2065: The My Little Pony Killer: So I take it from the headline that Subby supports alcohol prohibition.

I read the headline to mean marijuana legalization with some restrictions, like alcohol.

That's how I read it -- and it seems reasonable. It should be legal, but obviously it *is* a drug and needs to be treated with some degree of respect just like alcohol or legal prescription pain meds.


Yes, with you on that one. I agree that it does require SOME restrictions - I wouldn't want my 12 year old to be able to legally purchase and carry (and consume) marijuana. I also do believe there are some people to whom it can exacerbate existing mental health issues. Unlike the pot of my youth, the evidence is there that the current marijuana will cause psychosis in people already prone to psychosis. I also am against providing anything to the growing brain that is likely to cause impairment. I would also not want to give my 12 year old a bottle of vodka or a pack o smokes.

The one study quotes suggests that the mortality rate is lower for people with psychotic symptoms who smoke marijuana. Maybe so, but a lot better research needs to be done on that one before I "prescribe" pot for my sometimes psychotic 20 year old! More work to be done on that one.

The rest of the article is an "uh-huh, of course" situation. I really don't see the point of incarcerating ANY drug users, unless they are breaking other laws., and support decriminalization of drugs in general, and perhaps legalization.

I really don't understand arresting ANYBODY for possession. The local cops here in the Hammer seem to think it's a way to get the undesirables out of downtown (shake em down and see if any bud falls out so you can arrest them, and get them outta there for a day or 2), but I really don't understand JAILING people for possession. What a waste of societal resources!!
2012-07-29 06:20:48 PM  
1 vote:

ultraholland: Wolf892: having to smell the sickening stench of that crap.

Good weed smells good.


InflamedGonads: Because ganja tar is purer than cigarette tar...

There are many ways to consume the marijuana.


Nope it doesn't. It all smells like a skunk farted a blood dump onto a pile of dead crack babies.
Other than that I don't have anything against it.
2012-07-29 06:20:17 PM  
1 vote:

D_Evans45: I remember i fought that guy who was way too big for me when I was high. I also beat up my wife. I hit my kid a couple times with the belt as well, and swerved all over the road nearly killing an innocent family. Then I called up my ex and bawled for a half hour.

/Submitter is a dumbass


Or you have something going on upstairs that needs to be addressed?
2012-07-29 06:20:06 PM  
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muldoon: I would prefer those dollars go to official GDP instead of going to thug culture gangsters, cartel killers, banks and crooked politicians.


Whatever your standpoint on stopping people getting cheap clean drugs of their choice in an informed, safe, and legal manner I`m sure we can all agree that the money should not go to organised crime.
2012-07-29 06:19:53 PM  
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Mr. Potatoass: I quit smoking pot from 1980, to 2008.
I seems to have gotten a little stronger, in that time.


Naw... You just got older
2012-07-29 06:19:42 PM  
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Sargun: It's not a wonder drug


Actually, if you're being relativistic, it is certainly a wonder drug. It has a wider variety of internal uses than pretty much anything on the market (pharmaceuticals tend to be for specific ailments, and many of which cause side effects that are potentially much worse than forgetting where the car keys went or eating too much ice cream; not to mention, many natural alternatives work on the placebo effect, and those that don't generally again fall into a specific use category), can be absorbed through nearly any conceivable method (smoke inhalation, eating, processed for rubbing into skin, etc). I mean, if that isn't a "wonder drug," what CAN be?

No, marijuana doesn't fix "everything." That's stupid, and the 1% of potheads that make that argument are stupid. Of course, they were stupid WITHOUT the weed...
2012-07-29 06:16:34 PM  
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The pro-marijuana crowd really hurts its argument for legalization with some of their more outlandish claims.

Just say that its net effect is about the same as alcohol (better in some areas, worse in others) and you'll get much more sympathy.

/helping chemo patients I buy
//glaucoma is really pushing it
///very pro-legalization
2012-07-29 06:16:32 PM  
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AndreMA: Actually we need something that measures impairment, unlike BAC.

BAC does a pretty good job of measuring impairment, actually, among a large subset of the population. There's always going to be exceptions to the rule, but it's a good general guide.

/Woohoo! Drunk Driving apologist thread!
2012-07-29 06:15:35 PM  
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Wolf892: The only reason I don't want it legalized is because I know I wont be able to walk through the park or the halls of my apartment building or sit in a restaurant or pretty much go anywhere without having to smell the sickening stench of that crap. People will overuse it and there will be clouds of the stink seeping in everywhere.


Because smoking hasn't been banned in many public establishments? Settle down.
2012-07-29 06:11:45 PM  
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muldoon: No. We need an impairment test period. It doesn't have to be pot specific.

If you just drove your car into my house I personally do not care if you are drunk, have not slept in 30 hours, high on your prescription medicine, just took a bunch of off the shelf cold medicine or benadryl. The issue is impairment and the test should test for it. Determining specific levels of certain chemicals is just bullshiat.


Why bother with that? Why not punish the guy driving his car into your house with the same punishment regardless of any circumstances beyond, "I was dodging that meteor" or "I was dodging your kid."
2012-07-29 06:11:36 PM  
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Subby is partially right, pot is a drug and can impair your judgement. Although the effects are different. And no you are not as capable of driving as a sober person is. You are wrong.

/Go ahead get baked for all I care. Just stay away from the wheel while you are high thank you.
2012-07-29 06:03:35 PM  
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I never understood the "It's a plant, it's natural and therefore is safe" mindset. poison ivy is a plant, would you smoke that?

That said, it's plainly obvious that pot is not a problem warranting militarization of our police force to save us. More lives are lost with our current policies then from the substance itself. Indeed, the solution is worse than the problem.

I have smoked plenty of dope in my life but do not use it these days or years. I don't care if you do, nor do I care if anyone does, however I would prefer those dollars go to official GDP instead of going to thug culture gangsters, cartel killers, banks and crooked politicians.

We can grow lettuce and broccoli in this country for less than a dollar a pound, but pot is greater than $50 per ounce for the shiattiest mexi-brick. It's stupid. Legalize it, let the market sort it out.
2012-07-29 06:03:27 PM  
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Nice trolling headline, subby.

Some of my best decisions are made after a generous application of THC.

My worst decisions? All under the influence of booze.

That's why I quit drinking booze and dialed the reefer madness up to 11.
2012-07-29 06:02:22 PM  
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Sargun: Marijuana has a variety of problems that potheads refuse to admit. It's not a wonder drug and has drawbacks, especially in the age group that its mainly frequented by (young males) in popular culture.


Tell us about these problems.
2012-07-29 05:58:13 PM  
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OgreMagi: One of the barriers to getting pot legalized is a viable method of measuring how much someone has consumed and setting what constitutes impairment. We need a pot equivalent of the BAC test.

/I don't smoke pot


Obviously.
2012-07-29 05:57:58 PM  
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Ever notice how the media always shows and interviews the biggest freaks at every pro-marijuana rally to make them appear to be fringe and dangerous?
2012-07-29 05:56:14 PM  
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One of the barriers to getting pot legalized is a viable method of measuring how much someone has consumed and setting what constitutes impairment. We need a pot equivalent of the BAC test.

/I don't smoke pot
2012-07-29 05:54:51 PM  
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Sargun: Marijuana has a variety of problems that potheads refuse to admit. It's not a wonder drug and has drawbacks, especially in the age group that its mainly frequented by (young males) in popular culture.

But holy fark this entire weed prohibition bullshiat is ridiculous, costs money, ruins lives, and has absolutely no positive side-effects to go along with it. Who the fark still thinks this is a good idea?


The prisons who profit from having every weed smoker locked away for two to five years.
2012-07-29 05:52:07 PM  
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I quit smoking pot from 1980, to 2008.
I seems to have gotten a little stronger, in that time.
2012-07-29 03:57:04 PM  
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Does Trolly McTrollmitter get time-and-a-half on Sundays?
 
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